Election 2020

Joe Biden's COVID Response Plan: More Money, More Masks, More Testing

Given the current context of the race and the pandemic, Biden's specific plans likely don't matter so much as the impression that he at least has a plan.

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With the number of reported coronavirus cases surging in many parts of the country, former vice president Joe Biden took the opportunity on Tuesday to wag his own plans for dealing with the deadly pandemic—even though the plans themselves are mostly secondary.

Biden wants all Americans to wear face masks in public, have access to more testing, and get additional aid from the federal government if they cannot return to work for an extended period of time. Those and other ideas that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee outlined are things that his campaign has been floating since March. But the real purpose of Tuesday's speech from Wilmington, Delaware, was to draw a distinction between how a potential Biden administration would cope with the pandemic and how the Trump administration has handled it so far—and at a time when polls show most Americans disapprove of the current president's handling of the crisis.

"Infections are on the rise. The threat of massive spikes that could overwhelm the health care system are on the horizon," Biden said in one part of the speech addressed directly to Trump. "Mr. President, the crisis is real and it is surging. Promises and predictions and wishful thinking are doing the country no good."

Biden has the high ground largely because he doesn't have to put any of his plans to the test. Would a temporary $200-per-month boost to Social Security payments actually help Americans respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, or merely worsen the wealth imbalance created and maintained by entitlement programs? Would putting the federal government in charge of telling states when they can reopen parts of their economies prove more effective than the plans states have implemented on their own, or would it do even more damage than the lockdowns have already caused? Biden says he would sign an executive order to force all Americans to wear masks in public, but the enforcement of such a measure would still depend on local authorities—and, ultimately, on individuals, since the government can't possibly police something like that.

In other realms, Biden has the advantage simply because of how poorly Trump has responded to the first major crisis of his presidency. After first downplaying the seriousness of the pandemic and then spending weeks touting unfounded potential cures, the president has pushed responsibility to state leaders, has called for less testing to be done, and has held indoor campaign rallies in defiance of the advice of public health experts.

"Americans social distanced and did their part to bend the curve, but Trump didn't lead," Biden said Tuesday.

Given the current context of the race and the pandemic, Biden's specific plans likely don't matter so much as the impression that he at least has a plan.

In more normal circumstances, there would be an opportunity for Republicans and others to challenge Biden's plan to hire at least 100,000 federal workers to do testing and tracing, for example, particularly in light of the fact that Congress has already inflated the deficit to record highs. Putting the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in charge of setting social distancing rules for workplaces (and imposing fines for violations), as Biden is proposing, seems like a massive expansion of federal regulatory powers that would be unlikely to recede when the crisis passes. And Biden's promise to make more aggressive use of the Defense Production Act to force companies to make more masks and other personal protective equipment would be a huge federal intrusion into the market without any clear indication that it would help.

But given Trump's myriad failures and short attention span for substantive policy discussions, Biden's throw-everything-at-the-wall approach seems to make political sense.  Near the end of his address on Tuesday, Biden promised to eventually release a more specific plan for what he would do to combat the coronavirus starting "the day after the election is decided." That's the plan that will matter—the one that will be rooted in the reality of the pandemic's advance, the country's fiscal standing, and the economy's ability to weather the next few months.

For now, Biden just has to look more competent than the guy who spent last weekend carelessly mashing the retweet button.

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  1. “In other realms, Biden has the advantage simply because of how poorly Trump has responded to the first major crisis of his presidency.”
    Close down borders, called a racist.

    1. Also, 55% to 40% is really not that substantial.

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    2. The way people can with TDS can tell if President Trump did something wrong is by looking at whatever he did. If every time President Trump does something, they think it’s wrong, it tells us more about them than it says about President Trump.

    3. Wait I thought that hurricane that wrecked Puerto Rico was the first major crisis of his Presidency? Or all those times WW3 was totally just about to happen?

      1. The hurricanes were the first crisis and President Trump did little beside toss some paper towels and bad mouth the locals. But it is easy to ignore a island full of US citizens who are dark skinned and speak Spanish.

        1. Everything is so terrible and unfair.

        2. Yes. The warehouses full of supplies the PR governors forgot about was all trumps fault.

          You’re a dumb one.

        3. If supplies are sent and the local officials hoard them…who is, exactly, the one to blame?

      2. Quid pro quo impeachment is just how we run a government together.

  2. “Would a temporary $200-per-month boost to Social Security payments actually help Americans respond to the COVID-19 pandemic . . . ”
    Well, speaking as a recipient, here is the reality beyond the obvious that Biden is a nincompoop:
    Social Security recipients are generally retired on disabled (within the meaning of the act). So what can they do with that $200.00 a month? They can’t go visit the kids/grandkids, they can’t take a trip, they can’t go out for a drink or dinner. So they will stick that extra money into the same savings account as the stimulus check, and go back to watching the tube.

    1. retired OR disabled; I hate squirrels (y)

    2. Sure, but it’s never about WHY you bribe someone so much as it is about THAT you bribe someone. More is always better than less than more and will invariably cause them to redirect their actions. The only question is at what price will any individual surrender their principles or put their own economic best interests ahead of others and feel fully justified in doing so.

    3. So they will stick that extra money into the same savings account as the stimulus check, and go back to watching the tube, accumulating old-age maladies, and waiting for their elective surgery slot to open up.

      FIFY

  3. Reminder that Joey lives in a bunker where he plays train conductor all day until someone gets him to say stuff he doesn’t understand because he’s mentally incompetent. It’s kind of fucked up, and it might be abuse.

    1. He’s also the guy that promised to cure cancer and nobody really questioned him on it. The advantage of being a Democratic challenger is that your opinion and plan of the moment [no matter how ludicrous] will never be challenged for its cost or efficacy, and it doesn’t bear the burden of actually having to be practical or have a track record. You can change the plan as the wind blows and nobody remembers that what you said last week would have been a huge fuck up today.

      1. Unless you’re a Democratic challenger of the Democratic establishment’s pick (e.g. Bernie Sanders).

  4. the president has pushed responsibility to state leaders, has called for less testing to be done, and has held indoor campaign rallies in defiance of the advice of public health experts.

    This is a state problem. The President and the federal government has very little power in this outside of the borders.

    I know you don’t know much Eric. But when you were getting that hate studies degree or whatever you got learning about the inherent racism in the system and all that didn’t they talk about the federal system just a little? Maybe even once?

    Regardless if you are going to write about government, you might want to try and learn how the government actually works before doing so. I know that goes against reason’s patent brand of ignorance and lefty arrogance but it would at least be a change of pace.

    1. reason’s patent brand of ignorance and lefty arrogance

      I don’t think Reason has that patent; they just (sadly) acquired the rights to use it.

      1. ‘reason’s patent brand of ignorance and lefty arrogance’

        “I don’t think Reason has that patent; they just (sadly) acquired the rights to use it.”

        Call it a non-exclusive license to make derivative works.

        What might’ve worked would have been a Draconian closing of the borders and trade with China and the Chinese, at least by the moment dummies like me were noticing that something was seriously wrong in China. New Year’s or so.

        Can you imagine the Reeeeeee! from the writers here if Trump had been able to pull that off? Especially, if it was successful: “Trump was racist! This disease turned our to be nothing! And Trump overreacted through xenophobia! Boooooo!!!”

    2. It isn’t just that the President has little power to impose these kinds of things on the states. It’s also that President Trump shouldn’t inflict a one-size fits all solution on both New York City and St. George, Utah.

      1. St, George, UT is not the problem. The problem is high population cities that think they are St. George, UT where the coronavirus is concerned.

        1. The problem is high population cities that think they are St. George, UT where the coronavirus is concerned.

          That’s not really the problem, or rather, if it is the problem, absent other bungling and malfeasance, it’s a problem that solves itself.

          1. The real problem is falling for the hoax and not treating covid like we treat seasonal flu or the common cold

        2. “…The problem is high population cities that think they are St. George, UT where the coronavirus is concerned.”

          You’re wrong, but ignoring that, those remain local issues.
          LOCAL issues: Newsom, closing down the entire state assume Grass Valley is San Francisco; he’s as stupid as you are.

    3. If the CDC was a competent organization (not Trump’s fault) and Trump wasn’t so prone to making shit up (totally Trump’s fault), there’s clearly room for the Federal government’s response to have been vastly different than it was.

      But yeah, States and Municipalities should/need to be directly responsible for the on-the-ground action plans. Washington’s role should have been primarily as a resource provider and a research arm.

    4. I love how Trump simultaneously has the power to impose a national lockdown (and is thus totally individually responsible that this wasn’t done) and completely lacking in power to order a national reopening.

  5. Okay, so is FEMA at the ready with makeshift hospital facilities if and when they need them in Houston or elsewhere?

    Why should there be a nationwide plan?

    Are you saying that President Trump should make the decision for both New York City and rural Iowa?

    If Biden has a plan for all of us, then he’s unfit for office. God save us from progressives and their plans.

  6. Biden says he would sign an executive order to force all Americans to wear masks in public,

    How could this even be legal in the first place? It is absurd.

    The most Biden or Trump or any elected leader should do is to wear a mask so as to set a positive example, and to recommend that others do so. But don’t mandate or force it on people.

    1. How could this even be legal in the first place? It is absurd.

      That didn’t stop you from crying about it as an inevitable consequence of mocking you in the morning thread.

      1. It might be legal to do by state and local governments, yes.
        I find it hard to see how it could be legal to do by the president.

        1. Yeah but you’re an idiot who doesn’t understand anything beyond what media matters emails to you.

          Like incorporation for instance.

          1. Jeff took a beating earlier and now he’s being more considered in his responses. That should be encouraged you fucking pedo, so stop riding him like he’s ENB making side money.

            1. Wow, the Tulpas are becoming self-aware.

                1. Let that be your lesson. Jeff is a retard and an ingrate besides.

                    1. That’s someone who stole turd’s handle again. And turd hasn’t been around which makes me wonder if he’s gotten the ban-hammer again.

                2. Well, +1 point to you then.
                  Your net score is still about -500,000.

                  1. His score is the same as your IQ?

                  2. Keeping a social score are you?

                    1. In Tulpa’s case, it’s an antisocial score.

      2. “You guys should totally wear masks because I’m a gross fatass and if you don’t and you keep mocking fat losers like me who tell you to wear masks I’ll side with the government when they shove masks down your throat even though it is absurd and illegal” – chemjeff whining earlier

        1. “You guys should totally wear masks because (1) it’s the right thing to do, (2) it is a statement of courtesy and respect for others, and (3) voluntary action now forestalls worse coercive action later; and if you don’t and you keep mocking people who are making honest efforts to voluntarily reduce the spread of the disease, it will only mean fewer people will take preventive steps, the infection rate will increase, and the state will be empowered to slam its iron coercive boot onto everyone whether we like it or not.” — chemjeff’s actual position

          1. Oh and I forgot the most important part:
            Masks reduce the spread of the disease.

            1. No they simply prolong it.

              God you’re fucking stupid.

            2. And keeping children from peanuts could save countless lives…. leading to an explosion of allergy issues over the last 30 years.

              Masks do not stop disease.

              You have an immune system. It actually has to be tested from time to time on order to protect you from more serious shit.

              Over sanitization actually harms most people as it reduces their immune responses. See any study on children with pets vs children without.

              Again, you have absolutely failed biology.

              1. Fine, Jesse, so what would a reasonable public health response be for you? Not just for coronavirus, but for infectious disease in general?

                1. General health guidelines like washing hands.

                  We have survived against diseases for tens of thousands of years. Stop thinking you’re smarter than evolution. You especially are not.

                  Go read the red queen theory of evolutionary biology, it may teach you something.

                  Humans are in constant evolutionary war with disease. Sometimes are efforts make shit worse, like antibiotic resistant strains of various bacteria.

                  You are not ever going to win the war with evolution.

                  The trick is to teach people basic sanitary guidelines and go about your life. There will be a spike here or there where you mitigate the various spikes.

                  You do not shut down the country in fear. That has done far more harm.

                  Also realized that big numbers are actually small numbers next to even bigger numbers. 120k dead in the US is statistical noise. It only sounds scary to you because you refuse to actually understand the numbers.

                  1. There will be a spike here or there where you mitigate the various spikes.

                    What do you have in mind for the mitigation bit?

                    Do you support the concept of quarantines at all?

                    1. See you have no answers to these questions because they require more thought than just repeating talking points from Breitbart and Federalist.

                    2. “Do you support the concept of quarantines at all?”

                      For the ENTIRE population? Fuck no. That is called tyranny.

                      Could’ve just quarantined the elderly, not shoved COVID patients into nursing homes in Democratic states and numbers would have been considerably lower.

                  2. You do not shut down the country in fear. That has done far more harm.

                    In your view, would a ‘shutdown’ ever be justified? What if the virus was a more contagious version of Ebola, or something along those lines?

                    1. “In your view, would a ‘shutdown’ ever be justified? What if the virus was a more contagious version of Ebola, or something along those lines?”

                      Yeah, Jeff, when you’re called on your bullshit, try changing the subject; ALWAYS the sign of an honest interlocutor.
                      Fuck off.

                  3. For your information, Sevo, the conversation was concerning Jesse’s thoughts on public health measures “not just for coronavirus, but for infectious disease in general”. So yes that includes hypothetically more dangerous diseases besides coronavirus. Don’t want to participate? Fine, don’t, but kindly don’t shit on the conversation that other people are trying to have.

                    1. The best public health measure would be to execute you and people who think like you.
                      We done here?

                    2. Gee what a surprise. More violence porn from Nardz.
                      Go back to Alex Jones. They need your help trying to make the connection between the Bigfoot conspiracy, the UFO conspiracy, and the Fake Moon Landing conspiracy.

                    3. But it’s for public health, Jeff.
                      If you do it voluntarily, the state won’t have to impose it

                    4. Public health would have been for your mother to smack you in the womb so that you wouldn’t have turned into this self-absorbed paranoid freak that you are today.

          2. You’re a fat coward, we already got that earlier.

            1. Sadly him eating less would do more to mitigate his risk than him forcing others to wear masks.

          3. Masks, at least cloth masks, as well as most other masks going around, do not protect against the Coronavirus, or rather against virus’s in general. These masks are designed to protect against bacteria. As bacteria are larger than virus’s by magnitudes, The holes in these masks are larger than virus’s by magnitudes. To use one of these masks to protect against a virus is like using ship’s rigging to filter out a grain of sand. There are masks designed to protect against virus’s, with much smaller pores, and designed to cling very tight to the face, but these are not the masks that are really going around.
            So on your points, I would disagree generally with your first point, disagree on principle then with the second, and on the third, arguing for an activity so that you aren’t forced by the actions of the state, when such actions aren’t broadly useful, is in my view, harmful, and more likely to get people to try to get government to mandate such.
            I don’t think one should mock people for wanting to limit the spread of the disease, or trying to use masks to do so. I don’t think their action is helpful, so then the right response is to educate.

          4. “You guys should totally wear masks because (1) it’s the right thing to do,”
            Bullshit claim

            “(2) it is a statement of courtesy and respect for others,”
            Approval from snowflakes does not require action on my part.

            “and (3) voluntary action now forestalls worse coercive action later”
            Only if we let assholes like you do so.
            And you left out whining about being a victim; to which I answered: Crawl in a hole and stay there.

            1. Yes Sevo we all know, you come from the misanthropic school of libertarianism. “Screw all of you, go to hell, fuck off and die, I don’t care about any of you, just leave me alone”. Where one shows ‘respect’ to one’s neighbor by refraining from shooting him.

              Do you ever hold open the door for strangers? Ever? If so, is it because you were forced to do so? Required to do so? No, it was a simple token of courtesy and respect for others. Were you harmed when you did it? Did it injure you in any way to do so? Did you feel like some disgusting lefty asshole seeking the approval of pussy beta male snowflakes? It was a minor inconvenience that did you no real harm and was of a minor benefit to a complete stranger. There is nothing “lefty” about that. It is just common decency. I am sorry that this is too difficult of a concept for you.

    2. When you are the challenger, your ideas don’t have to be legal or rational to actually appeal to terrified people. The more afraid they are, the less rational it must be. One only has to appeal to those fears with a promise that you’ll do something…. anything! Hell, I saw a guy jump off a roof to avoid a hornet sting. It doesn’t have to be a logical alternative. It just has to be something.

      1. I suppose. But you’d at least think he’d come up with a plan that isn’t instantly illegal.

        1. He doesn’t need to when he has pathetic cowards like you running cover for him and buying what he is selling.

        2. Legality is irrelevant for a Democrat who’s just spitballing and saying the first thing that comes to his feeble mind. Nobody is suing him to stop his ideas, challenging them as functional or Constitutional, and there will be a flurry of TDS media “guest experts” who will either proclaim his idea as pure genius, or [if it’s supremely absurd] set about to “CLARIFY” what he really meant and say all his critics aren’t team players and/or just a hater and racist n’ sum other wurds.

          In other words, he can say just about anything without fear of consequences.

    3. Remember this morning when you were threatening everyone you would make behaviors mandatory if they didnt comply “voluntarily?”

      1. This is a lie, asshole.

        1. Yes, you just suggested strongly that you’d support such actions, not take them yourself.
          Just following orders, Jefff?

          1. Sevo, you are a lying cowardly dickhead. I never, not once, stated any support for mandatory masks at any time. If you thought I “strongly suggested” anything of the sort it is because you are a dishonest illiterate misanthropic turd who would rather shit on others than contribute anything positive to the planet.

  7. Well, Joe Biden really nailed it! The obvious problem is that Washington D.C. is suffering from a shortage of bureaucrats. If only we had more!

  8. More Testing – Yes, only having the fullest mapping of C-19 can give the info needed to control it.

    More Masks – Yes, the most important tool of prevention.

    More Money – No, to the extent that the spending is anything more than cronyism, it is a counterproductive attempt to reanimate a dead economy that died with the first human to human transmitted case of C-19.

    1. More Masks – Yes, the most important tool of prevention.

      Masks delay, they don’t prevent.

      1. That depends on the mask wearers.

        1. No Jeff, you’re mistaken. Absent a vaccine, all a mask does is lower the chance of infection per incident, the final number of infections will remain unchanged. This is what was meant by flattening the curve, a mask extends the time frame in which infections will occur, allowing for marshaling of resources.

          The final number of infected won’t change. And that has nothing to do with the wearer.

          1. Absent a vaccine, all a mask does is lower the chance of infection per incident, the final number of infections will remain unchanged.

            Okay, so if a mask reduces the chance of infection per incident, long enough until a vaccine has been developed, then wearing a mask actually reduces the total number of infections, no?

            1. They’ve been working on a vaccine for the cold (a corona virus) since the 50’s.

              God damn you’re fucking stupid.

              1. Note how they also do not have a SARS vaccine, and that SARS doesn’t concern really anyone today.

                It is true that apparently a whole host of idiots were not actually paying attention to what ‘flatten the curve’ meant. He isn’t alone though, clearly Biden also does not understand.

                Biden has the excuse of being so old that his brain is rotting. What is Jeff’s excuse?

                1. Well, SARS also affected far fewer people and had a much shorter shelf life, after three months it was basically gone.

                  1. It also didnt have panic and purposeful discounting to cause said panic.

                    But go on.

                  2. You sound so fucking stupid talking about this.

                    Viruses don’t have a shelf life idiot.

                2. Liberals have somehow made everyone forget our bodies have natural immunity responses that do evolve on their coverage throughout our lives.

          2. Also, if the total number of infections doesn’t change, then why doesn’t *everyone* get the common cold *every year*? There is no vaccine for it after all.

            1. why doesn’t *everyone* get the common cold *every year*?

              Are you certain everyone hasn’t been exposed to a cold variant that confers antibodies over the course of their lifetime?

              Because, and you’re stupid so you won’t appreciate this, the time frame has nothing to do with “every year”.

            2. I’m confident in stating that every adult barring those with specific isolation protocols such as in hospitals has been exposed to rhinovirus.

              1. Okay then. So would it be fair to say that wearing masks might delay a person’s infection of coronavirus until there is a vaccine, a cure, better treatment, more knowledge about what to do, etc., so that (all else equal) it’s better to get sick later rather than sooner?

                1. Theyve been looking for coronavirus vaccines for 70 years you ignorant fuck.

                  1. This virus has not been around for 70 years.

                    1. There has been no success with any corona virus vaccine of any kind, including the common cold you fucking retard.

                    2. Because viruses evolve every god damn year. You can learn! Even the flu shot is rarely greater than 50% effective in a given season.

                  2. We have one. For cows. Where we really don’t care about the side effects, so long as it doesn’t interfere with milk production or converting feed to meat.

                    People? Not so much. Molecular biology has advanced tremendously over twenty years. So have immunology and various means for resolving this and that biological signal. We might get a COVID vaccine. But I don’t think it’s the way to bet.

                2. No. I don’t deal in hypotheticals, especially in regards to infectious disease and vaccines, and I would consider it malpractice if one of my colleagues or employees framed it that way.

              2. I’ll remember this next time you or one of your closed-border colleagues

                What a sad commentary on your miserable existence.

            3. Right now covid confirmed cases are about 5 million cases. The population is 330 million.

              Can you do math Jeff?

              On top of that can you calculate the number of deaths?

              Do I have to tell you once again 2.8 million people die a year in the US?

              Your fear is based in ignorance.

              1. I’ll remember this argument next time you freak out about MS-13 gang members in the country.

                1. gang members = disease

                  you said it dumbass

                2. Wow. You’re back to full ignorant sophistry.

                  One is human vs human issues.

                  The other is human vs life.

                  Holy fucking shit you’re an idiot.

                  1. Oh no no you don’t get to weasel out of this.

                    After all the terror caused by MS-13 gangs is just “statistical noise” and we don’t need to “cower in fear” at such a tiny tiny problem.

                    I’ll remember this next time you or one of your closed-border colleagues brings up OMG MS-13 GANGBANGERS as a justification for strict border controls.

                    1. Oh no no you don’t get to weasel out of this.

                      You don’t get to weasel him into it lololol

                    2. I’ll remember this next time you or one of your closed-border colleagues

                      What a sad commentary on your miserable existence.

                3. I mean, I actually thought you were smart enough to understand government is a contract for society amongst humans.

                  But no, you seem to think it also covers human vs virus interactions.

                  God damn you dumb.

      2. Proper masks, properly worn prevent infection from each exposure in which they are worn. Your delay nonsense argument discounts mask effectiveness not by their proper use but by the lack of their use. Yes, the idiot that discontinues mask use too soon will get infected. The idiot did not get infected because the mask only delayed his infection, but because he did not wear a mask when he should have.

        1. so forever masks? just say he was right.

          1. He was wrong.

            Masks when and as long as their is an exposure.

            Some people work with this bug and worse for whole careers and stay safe by wearing PPE when exposed. Some people do the same with equally hazardous chemicals. Even hobbies like mine of building homebuilt airplanes, casting bullets, and restoring old cars require PPE.

            It’s nonsensical that this is so hard for some people to understand – if C-19 were a brain disease, they’d be completely safe.

            1. Masks like single-ply bandanna’s that even the CDC notes are ineffectual on pretty much any other disease except this strain in particular? How fortuitous.

              How effective is that home made mask you bought off a barrista, and would you trust it for your own surgeon?

            2. “Masks when and as long as their is an exposure.”

              so he was right that they just delay it and you’re trying to find a way to avoid saying it

            3. “Even hobbies like mine of building homebuilt airplanes”

              ah ok you huff glue that’s why you think delay = prevent

            4. Suggesting that filtering lead/sanding/paint particles correlates in any way to filtering out a virus just means that you are good at following directions, not that you understand how or why you do what you do. Not only from a particulate size, but from the fact that people build immunities to viruses, but will never become immune to toxic particle exposure.

              Additionally, your understanding flies in the face of supposed experts but don’t understand what they are saying. Their [current] position is that your mask will NOT protect you from the virus, but stop YOU from giving it other people. If you’re going to pick a side, please at least get their position correct.

    2. Good post, I agree that more Testing and mark wearing is needed and that this will go a long way to slowing the infection and building confidence. Confidence in the economy will do more than money. That said money can help if it is spent smartly. Politician will always go overboard spending, we need to ask for value for the money. Convince them we are not looking for big spending but help where it is needed. Not sure how we do that?

      1. “Good post, I agree that more Testing and mark wearing is needed and that this will go a long way to slowing the infection and building confidence.”

        More bullshit, and you, too keep demonstrating a ‘moderate’ intelligence, too.

    3. “More Masks – Yes, the most important tool of prevention.”
      Bullshit.
      You’re not real bright; you keep showing that.

  9. When the president offered help but the states claimed he couldn’t do that and/or flat out refused his help due to TDS, but its Trumps fault that he let the states fall on their own swords after being denounce by them. So sad.

  10. We’re running up against a certain reality that no plan can get around, which is that as we open things up again and more and more people start interacting, the infection rate will increase.

    Opening up the economy without subjecting more people to infection may be like trying to go swimming without getting wet, and if that’s the case, then one plan or another isn’t really the issue.

    Maybe we should be concentrating on keeping the rate of infection down so that our ICUs aren’t overflooding and opening the economy up just enough to keep it under that level, which is more or less what we’re doing now.

    If we’ll be exposed to the virus sooner or later regardless of how badly we destroy the economy through shut downs, then we should all be in favor of keeping the economy as open as possible.

  11. More Money, More Masks, More Testing

    You’d think a Libertarian blog could just say “More Authoritarian Statism” without mincing words.

  12. Just seems like Monday morning quarterbacking to me.

    Its easy to say now that we need more masks, but what about 2 months ago when we were being told masks didn’t make a difference, and everyone wearing them would just deprive medical workers of needed PPE?

    Or 5 months ago when we were told human-to human transmission wasn’t even possible?

  13. That’s the plan that will matter—the one that will be rooted in the reality of the pandemic’s advance, the country’s fiscal standing, and the economy’s ability to weather the next few months.

    If Boehm leans any farther, he’s going to fall over.

  14. >>Biden wants all Americans to wear face masks in public

    someone coached him to say it to a camera. Biden doesn’t know wot dafuq he wants.

    1. That’s because if Biden wears a mask, it’ll be easier on the ventriloquist.

      1. and a glove i hope

      2. Cliff Robertson and Joe Biden in “Cesar and Me”.

  15. Seems to me the Biden campaign is running a smart strategy. Let the other guy make the mistakes. Uncle Joe does not have much going for him to begin with.

    Does not matter as much to me as neither one will get my vote or support. I will go with Jo Jorgensen.

    1. Neither Biden or Trump should be President. Both are leaches on society. I’m voting for Jo Jorgensen.

      1. No one fucking cares

      2. Trump certainly slops at the public trough when he gets the chance, but unlike Biden, he’s actually run a business, and quite well.
        I’m in CA so my vote is irrelevant, and JJ gets my vote as a result. If there were the least chance my vote would count between Trump and whoever the D’s select as Biden’s VP, I’d vote for Trump

  16. This article points out the reality that the important thing is that Joe Biden has a plan. Question his intelligence if your like, but he is smart enough to know that you can not fix the economy until the coronavirus is addressed. There are a number of good ideas in the plan especially more testing and getting more people to wear masks ( prefer and believe we can do this without mandates). We will need to send more money but we can minimize that if we do it smartly. Put money where it can do the most good. If you address the virus you will build confidence and that will lead to a recovery. Confidence in the economy is a major factor in recoveries. President Trump is confused and lazy and their is no way for him to rebuild the confidence of the nation.

    1. As the saying goes I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.

      In which Biden is slow walking his campaign, appears hesitant and scared, knows he won’t do well in the debates, and his only schtick is to be anti Trump. Essentially a worse version of Clinton.

      All Trump has to do is wait it out.

      1. He doesn’t have to be anti-Trump. The election is a referendum on Trump and he is losing it himself. Biden is a good debater, he has taken on and beat Paul Ryan. He also was doing very well by the end of the primary debates. Trump on the other hand has not been answering questions, but instead rambling off on unrelated tangents. Did you catch his town hall with Sean Hannity. Debates will not save Trump. He can only save himself and it appear to not be doing that.

        1. “…Biden is a good debater, he has taken on and beat Paul Ryan…”

          Just checked; they’ve been pulled from YT.
          Biden, in a professionally-produced ad, was not capable of putting together a grammatically-correct sentence (‘…I’m asking you for to…’) after how many takes his could afford?
          And *YOU* claim he’s a ‘good debater’?
          I formerly thought you were not real bright. Forgive me; you’re a fucking ignoramus.

          1. Yeah, Biden’s fundraising ad was comically bad. He has dementia. End o’ story.

    2. Question his intelligence if your like, but he is smart enough to know that you can not fix the economy until the coronavirus is addressed.

      False.

      1. Interesting answer. Perhaps you could elaborate on how to fix the economy without addressing the virus. Just pretending that its not keeping people from going to shops, restaurants, and traveling is not going to do it.

        1. Apparently, many governotr are pretending that it is not keeping people from going to shops, bars, and restaurants, since they are reinstating lockdowns.

        2. “Perhaps you could elaborate on how to fix the economy without addressing the virus.”

          Perhaps you could justify your claim otherwise.

          1. Well, I’ll do you a favor:
            There is this amazing self-organizing process which has lead to prosperity humanity has never seen before: A (relaitively) free market, and AFAWK, the free-er it gets the more supercharged it becomes.
            So here’s the ‘plan’: Get the fuck out of the way and quit trying to ‘manage’ the economy. Let people decide on what risks THEY want to take.
            Got it? Is that clear enough?

    3. “Question his intelligence if your like, but he is smart enough to know that you can not fix the economy until the coronavirus is addressed.”
      Bullshit again.

  17. Biden wants more masks, more money and more testing because Obamacare will solve all our healthcare problems.
    After all, Obamacare is a big fucking deal.
    Joe said so, and when was he ever wrong?

  18. the president has pushed responsibility to state leaders

    Wait, this is still a libertarian site, right? Not stepping in and grabbing responsibility away from the states is the one big, critical thing he actually got right (Obama never would have resisted the temptation to take total control — nor, obviously, would Biden). A uniform national policy (any uniform national policy) would have been a disaster. The idea that Wyoming and New Jersey should be operating under the same Covid rules is absurd. Large differences in politics, density levels, risk tolerance, willingness to comply with government edicts, etc exist between the various states. And remember that whole ‘laboratories of democracy’ thing?

  19. That’s not a plan, that’s platitudes.

    1. Toss in some slogans that Joe can remember and you’ve got his platform.
      Oh, and the VP who will have to take over when Joe can no longer string together a 3-word sentence.

  20. It’s great that every clinger will remember when they saw those images from the Tulsa trip and recognized that Trump would get his ass kicked in November — assuming he doesn’t quit to avoid getting stomped and in an effort to avoid investigations and prosecutions,

  21. Less Biden. More Jorgensen. This is supposed to be a libertarian site, no?

    1. What is Jo Jorgensen’s plan to deal with the coronavirus? If she were elected she would have to address the problem. So tell us her plan and how she would approach the problem.

      1. I’ll do you a favor:
        There is this amazing self-organizing process which has lead to prosperity humanity has never seen before: A (relaitively) free market, and AFAWK, the free-er it gets the more supercharged it becomes.
        So here’s the ‘plan’: Get the fuck out of the way and quit trying to ‘manage’ the economy. Let people decide on what risks THEY want to take.
        Got it? Is that clear enough?
        Stuff your “plan” up your butt.

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