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Polls Show Americans Are Souring on Trump's Response to COVID-19

Plus: 6.6 million more unemployment claims, how NYC authorities failed at early outbreak response, and more...

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Transpartisan disenchantment with Trump's coronavirus shtick. A majority of Americans now disapprove of the way President Donald Trump has been dealing with the COVID-19 outbreak, according to new polling. Not only that, but Trump 2016 voters are starting to turn against the president, too.

A CNN poll that came out Wednesday found overall disapproval for Trump's pandemic performance stands at 52 percent, up from 48 percent in early March, and 55 percent of Americans polled said Trump "could be doing more to fight the outbreak."

But the number of people who approve of Trump's overall handling of COVID-19 also increased, from 41 to 45 percent. (This was made possible by the number of poll respondents with no opinion on this question shrinking from 11 to 3 percent).

And Americans increasingly think the federal government overall is handling the crisis poorly. In the CNN poll, the percentage of respondents who said it's doing a poor job jumped from 43 percent in early March, to 47 percent in late March, to 55 percent last week.

Most of those polled were still bracing for the worst:

  • 80 percent of CNN poll respondents said it's still yet to come, with only 17 percent saying the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak is behind us.
  • 60 percent said that if the federal government lifts social distancing guidelines after April 30 they would still not feel comfortable returning to their regular routine.

There's also evidence that more of the president's supporters are losing faith that Trump has had things under control. Navigator, which has been conducting every-weekday polling on COVID-19, finds that people who voted for Trump in 2016 have become increasingly less sure about how he's handled the outbreak:

In Navigator polling data from March 31-April 3, 2020, some 40 percent of respondents who voted for Trump in 2016 said the president didn't take COVID-19 seriously enough in its early days; this was up from 23 percent the week prior. Sixty-six percent of independents said the same, up 10 points. Meanwhile, the number of Trump 2016 voters who say he got the response "about right" decreased from 60 percent to 53 percent.

In the latest data, from a national online survey of 1,022 registered voters (conducted April 3-8), 85 percent of Republicans and 13 percent of Democrats either somewhat or strongly approved of Trump's handling of COVID-19, while 13 percent of Republicans and 75 percent of Democrats disapproved.


ELECTION 2020

Joe Biden it is, folks. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) officially dropped out of the Democratic presidential race on Wednesday.


QUICK HITS

  • The New York Times looks at how New York City leaders botched their early local response to COVID-19. The paper also reports that "the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia," according to new genome research from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.
  • "While we practice social distancing to maintain public health and flatten the curve, people must be allowed to safely end pregnancies at home without the fear of arrest," said Jill Adams, executive director of If/When/How.
  • Singapore's containment of COVID-19 might be slipping:

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  1. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) officially dropped out of the Democratic presidential race on Wednesday.

    Feel that bern.

    1. Why should he keep running, and face questions about his many houses and vast wealth when he has bullied Biden into taking all of his positions?

      1. I think “vast wealth” might be overstating it a bit. A few million net worth is not a lot for someone late in life. Though 3 houses are a bit extravagant for a self-declared socialist.

        1. I think Bernie would prefer it if you called them dachas.

    2. Would be even bernier if he gave up his Senate seat and announced his retirement to Cuba.

      1. There are some highly-regulated small businesses in Cuba now. You expect Bernie to move in with those sellouts? North Korea or nothing.

    3. Hello.

      Know what shtick I’m tired off? Loser polls and loser attempts at finger pointing. ‘Oh look, the President is sinking! Yay!’

      No one has this under control.

      Everyone is ASSHOLE.

      1. “Loser polls”

        Yup.

        A CNN poll that came out Wednesday found overall disapproval for Trump’s pandemic performance stands at 52 percent”

        A CNN poll.
        ENB may as well have said a DNC poll.

        It’s mindboggling to me how she thinks we’re supposed to trust a failing network whose anchors and producers are actually related or married to top Dem pols, and that openly bills itself as the network of ‘the Resistance’.

        She really thinks we’re that stupid.

        1. Everybody should know that poll results have an at best tenuous relation to reality, especially in matters that require any degree of technical knowledge – a statement that applies almost as accurately to those considered expert in a different technical field than that appropriate to the question at hand. The fact that 60% (or 90%, or 10%) of a survey sample believes a statement says little about its truth or correctness.

          One problem with Trump is that he seems unable to stay on script for more than ten or twenty seconds, leading people to infer that he has no principle beyond how he thinks it affects others’ opinions of him. He also relates to verifiable facts in much the same way as poll respondents, which is remarkably unhelpful.

      2. No one wants to point fingers. But until there is a plan, or even something that looks like an idea, there isn’t anything to do but look at Trump flailing and rambling nonsensically about his lack of culpability and note that he is utterly incompetent and doesn’t even have the capacity to care if it might interfere with his opinion of himself. That “no one has this under control” is the truth. It would be nice to see a president take the lead. Unfortunately we’ll have to wait until November to see whether we even have a chance to put someone in position to do something.

        Take a long look at your own prejudices before you label others. How the hell can anyone look at Trump’s answers to legitimate questions and think for a second that he has any idea whatsoever what he *ought* to do. All he can do is try to dodge responsibility. Party of personal responsibility… pathetic.

        1. “Taking the lead” is simply code for “taking more control and stomping on the Constitution.”

        2. “Freethinksman”

          Who’s new sock is this? Jeff? Buttplug? Tony?

          1. Doesn’t matter
            Just a typical npc

        3. It is fairly clear to anyone who thinks about it that the COVID situation is changing too fast and varies across the country too widely, to have a “plan.” The best that can be done, now, is react appropriately to events seen locally. For obvious reasons the federal government cannot do this well, if at all. Its role should be to provide general support and coordination of local efforts. That can include maintaining backup supplies and managing distribution of newly acquired supplies, as the federal government appears to be trying to do. It cannot reasonably include determination of local requirements for or allocation of resources, as much of the press bellows continuously.

          After the dust settles, the congress surely will hold hearings and produce findings that, at least in the House of Representatives, will excoriate the president and numerous executive departments and agencies for failing at tasks for which they are fundamentally incapable. In concert, they will adopt, and the president will sign, legislation to cure the defects they found, largely by assigning to the same and probably new agencies the task of ensuring their findings are taken care of. The state governments and their agencies, and the various non-government organization (think hospitals, here) will mostly sigh in relief, nod approvingly, and as quickly as decency allows go back to normal operations.

          Until the next time, when the conditions and challenge will differ enough from the current case, and the preparations will (as happened with COVID-19) be stale enough, that all the organizations involved will be caught flat-footed. The federal departments, with an impossible job and some years to wilt their preparations, will again fail in the people’s mind, such as it is, while the states, localities, and private organizations that attended to their main mission often will succeed.

          A “plan” for an event like a new, highly infectious virus (and the next one may be quite different from that) is almost sure to fail in the US, with its general freedom of individual action, unless it includes willing participation of largely independent state and local governments, and private sector organizations, along with enforcement as necessary and periodic reevaluation and testing.

  2. …a Guatemalan woman apprehended by #Border Patrol while in labor *and forced to give birth in custody while standing up.*

    No American should be born that way.

    1. That kid can already cross bungee jumping off the bucket list

      1. And singing in the rain.

      2. Umbilical bungee; start early.

    2. Wasn’t birthing in a near standing position en vogue in obstetrics for awhile? With custom birthing chairs and everything?

      The easiest way to not give birth in ICE custody is to not start trying to enter a country illegally when you’re 7-8 months pregnant.

      1. She probably got what she was after. The kid was born in the US.

        1. Well, that and not being killed by Guatemalan gangs. Both I suppose.

          1. Well, that and not being killed by Guatemalan gangs.

            If only there were any countries between here and Guatemala. Or any countries to the south of Guatemala.

      2. Giving birth in a standing or especially a squatting position in standard in most parts of the world. Putting women in a supine position to deliver is a peculiarly (and relatively recent) Western phenomenon.

        1. Yeah! Why are people acting as though this was somehow wrong?

          How is it that so many Americans have become so profoundly immoral over the last few years? What used to be understood as inhuman is now justified through mental gymnastics that don’t prove any point but how uncaring for other human beings so many Americans have become. I think Trump must be some kind of karmic justice for American’s greed and selfishness. That so many people can’t even see the obvious is mind boggling to those of us who can still feel empathy.

          1. I see you’re aiming for retarded pedantic asshole.

            Forcing a woman to give birth lying on her back with her feet in the air is quite possibly the worst birthing position and any midwife, doula, or decent birthing coach can tell you that.

          2. those of us who can still feel empathy envy

            FTFY. Getting paid to fuck is nice work if you can get it.

  3. Most of those polled were still bracing for the worst:

    80 percent of CNN poll respondents said it’s still yet to come, with only 17 percent saying the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak is behind us.

    Why the fuck would a random sampling of CNN poll-respondents have any goddamned clue whether the virus would improve or get worse? Why even ask such a stupid question? They don’t know.

    1. In Navigator polling data from March 31-April 3, 2020, some 40 percent of respondents who voted for Trump in 2016 said the president didn’t take COVID-19 seriously enough in its early days; this was up from 23 percent the week prior.

      So at different intervals they are repeatedly asking about early handling? Am I understanding that properly? If so, that’s also a stupid question

    2. Why the fuck should we ask the same clueless people to choose our government officials?

      1. Because letting people with a plan choose them would be even worse?
        As I see it, the main value of democracy is inserting some randomness into the system to make it hard for anyone to get too much done. Though I’m not sure it works all that well these days.

    3. Push polling after all the fake news propaganda

    4. Yeah, real doctors and epidemiologists don’t know for sure. Why the fuck should we care what random people think? “The wisdom of crowds” certainly doesn’t apply in a panic situation like this.

    5. CNN’s ratings indicate way less than 1% of Americans watch it, unless they count everyone who passes through an airport as a CNN watcher.
      BTW this is SOP for the media, even this media. They blamed Reagan response for AIDS, Bush 1 for the Rodney King riots and Bush 2 for a hurricane.

      1. No sane person would run for president.

    6. The poll isn’t meant to tell you if the cirus is getting better or worse, it’s to tell if you people think the virus is getting better or worse. Consumer/investor sentiment, etc.

      1. Who called people “faggy nerds”?

        Because yesterday you said someone called people “faggy nerds” but you wouldn’t say who, and I didn’t see it in any of the comments.

        1. More accurately, de espresso called people faggy needs – but pit it in quotation marks so as to pretend someone else said it.
          The fact remains, the only person I’ve seen someone call people “foggy nerds” it was de espresso

          1. Why am I not surprised that dumb and dumber showed up to demonstrate just how fucking stupid they are.

            1. If you stop lying I’ll stop calling you a liar.

  4. Pennsylvania Seeking Medical Supplies From Hospital Driven Into Financial Ruin by Venture Linked to Biden’s Brother

    https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/pennsylvania-seeking-medical-supplies-from-hospital-driven-into-financial-ruin-by-venture-linked-to-bidens-brother/

    Pennsylvania officials are seeking access to critical medical supplies and equipment from an abandoned rural hospital at the center of a fraud scandal involving Joe Biden’s brother, James Biden.

    Ellwood City Medical Center in Pennsylvania, which is currently controlled by a court-appointed bankruptcy trustee, was one of a string of rural hospitals owned by and driven into financial ruin by Americore Health, a business venture linked to James Biden.

    1. Will they make a beer named after his brother?

      1. Or perhaps a strain of weed?

      2. Slow Joe’s Bro’s Brew.

  5. 80 percent of CNN poll respondents said it’s still yet to come, with only 17 percent saying the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak is behind us.

    Twenty percent don’t get their virus news solely from national media.

    1. The same 20% who don’t recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum

      1. Old school sugar gum is way better than sugarless.

        1. yeah but the spider eggs.

  6. CBS reairs footage of Italian hospital after blaming first incident on ‘editing mistake’

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cbs-re-airs-footage-of-italian-hospital-after-blaming-first-incident-on-editing-mistake

    1. From my observations CBS is pretty error-prone.

    2. Fake but accurately fake.

    3. another time they did air an actual NY hospital and talked about how crowded it was, it looked like every other hospital i ever been to over the years. people on stretchers waiting to be moved people and equipment in the hallways. there was nothing out of the ordinary.

      I see Seattle is taking down one of their military emergency hospitals i want to know if it was ever used

      1. As far as I know, the hospital was never used. It was supposed to open this week and is being moved elsewhere almost immediately. We also sent 400 ventilators to NYC. Of course, we shut down early and hard. We are in the fourth week now of basically a full statewide shutdown of schools and ‘non-essential’ businesses.

        Also, if you look at the numbers, there is a pretty good indication that COVID was never very widespread here. Our early high death toll was because the outbreak was first detected in a nursing home and was spread to other nursing homes. We’ve been seeing over 90% ‘negative’ return for testing since the beginning.

        All of this is to say, we’re probably fucked when they lift restrictions and the second wave hits. They acted too fast, IMO.

        1. To add to mamabug, people are actually distancing here. I live in the county south of Seattle, and people will cross the street to avoid sharing sidewalks. The neighborhood forums are full of people shaming businesses that are not set up to allow for distancing. Liberals love them some rules and following them.

          That being said, new cases and deaths are still growing at an exponential rate in WA and the rest of the country. Our state leadership probably surmised that NY and others would need the extra equipment more.
          https://www.geekwire.com/2020/covid-19-deaths-still-growing-exponentially-u-s-hot-spots-seattle-startup-finds-new-data-analysis/

          1. “Liberals love them some rules and following them.”

            So you love you some rules and following them.

            1. I keep telling you I’m not into you. You aren’t smart enough to exchange ideas with, and you aren’t honest enough to have a friendly discussion with.

              1. That’s funny liar.

              2. People don’t want to have a friendly discussion with you because your statist bent is obvious and you lie a lot. I have not seen you attempt honest discourse here once.

  7. When you’ve lost Snopes:

    What’s False
    Trump’s financial stake in these companies is virtually negligible — contained indirectly via mutual funds — and administered through three family trusts he does not control. As a generic drug, hydroxychloroquine is unlikely to provide any one company with significant profits compared to other proprietary drugs.

    1. So he is profiting! herpaderp!

    2. I read somewhere that Trump’s fortune declined by a billion (1/3) since March. It sounds likely. Hotels and golf courses must be getting slammed right now.

    3. Lying Jeffy hardest hit.

  8. But the number of people who approve of Trump’s overall handling of COVID-19 also increased, from 41 to 45 percent.

    With elections getting closer and staring down the sudden barrel of a Biden option.

    1. Biden is currently employing his most effective campaign strategy, which is avoiding public appearances entirely. If he can keep this up for seven more months without anyone noticing, the election is in the bag.

      1. Makes perfect sense; he did jack to get over the top, no speeches, debates, press meetings, nada, and poof, he’s the default nominee. Now if only he can avoid threatening to slap the shit our of random UAW members and not call young women “a dog faced lying pony soldier…” nah, he’ll never make it.

        1. Or, you know, looking like he’s suffering from late-stages of dementia and possibly going to keel over at any moment.

          1. And Trump is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and he’s a sociopath. I’ll take grandpa Biden over the scumbag Trump every fucking day.

            1. At least with Trump ,trump is in charge minus teh deep state but with Biden he is so lost we will never know who is pulling his strings

            2. “And Trump is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder”
              As are everyone else who has or will run for president (though few could hope to top Obama)

              “and he’s a sociopath”
              All politicians are sociopaths. It’s what our culture, where people are protected from violent retribution and personal bonds have only arbitrary economic value, incentivizes.
              Though Trump, I think, is far less sociopathic than the career politicians you’re slavishly devoted to.

              I chuckle whenever people throw out the progressive “narcissist and sociopath” mantra – as if they’re not blindly repeating pablum – because it just reveals a complete lack of independent thought and insight

              1. Many highly effective people are sociopaths/machiavellian. Trump’s narcissism is incredibly severe and pronounced, though, you must admit. It’s gotta be a little embarrassing as a fan of the guy, I imagine.

                1. I would be embarrassed to be most known for being a dishonest piece of shit.

                  Did you ever consider that you’re a sociopath?

                2. “Many highly effective people are sociopaths/machiavellian.”
                  Thank you restating exactly what i just said.

                  “Trump’s narcissism is incredibly severe and pronounced, though, you must admit.”
                  Pronounced? Yes. Trump has literally been a brand for decades.
                  Severe? Not really. The guy knows how to market himself, and is very good at it. He does what he does for a reason and with a sense of humor. Obama, Hillary, McCain (for just a few examples) were severe cases. You Ds won’t take them any other way.
                  Indeed, Tulsi’s biggest problem getting any sort of traction in her own party may just have been her lack of ostentatious narcissism

                  1. Her biggest problem was that she doesn’t support endless war, like every other Democrat in Washington. But this might be her second.

                  2. Hey look, it’s dumb and dumber again. You and R Mac are in a locktite 69, and it’s beginning to get gross.

                    1. Because we both call you out for being a liar? Maybe stop lying and we’ll stop.

                      I don’t think you can stop, because it’s a major part of your character, but you should give it a try.

      2. He would be running an “invisible man” campaign anyway even without the COVID-19, but it certainly gives him good cover.

        Nobody really likes his monkey ass, and the more people see him up close and personal the faster they realize he has absolutely no business being the president (see Iowa and New Hampshire).

      3. He said he was going to start wearing a mask. Maybe an Obama mask?

    2. There is no way Trump will be deposed by Biden. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and there is no way he will leave the White House of his own volition. So you have that going for you.

      1. We have a new retard to mock folks!

    3. >>increased, from 41 to 45 percent

      Bern Notice.

  9. World Health Organisation’s ‘China centric’ leader launches bizarre attack on Taiwan

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6148193670001

    1. Hardly bizarre, more like business as usual, directed from Communist China.

      1. Hey, somebody has to suck those tiny Chinese dicks.

        1. Tiny enough to shag a bat, apparently

    2. When all else fails, play the race card.

      1. He learned it from American liberals.

    3. Sounds like an Adhanom-en attack.

  10. There’s also evidence that more of the president’s supporters are losing faith that Trump has had things under control.

    This man leads the shakiest cult.

    1. If you can’t get your followers to drink the Corona, can you really call it a cult?

    2. The walls are closing in.

  11. …85 percent of Republicans and 13 percent of Democrats either somewhat or strongly approved of Trump’s handling of COVID-19, while 13 percent of Republicans and 75 percent of Democrats disapproved.

    That 10% is going to make all the difference in November.

  12. I remember reading here that the China travel policy was racist and stupid because it only impacted Chinese:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-members-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/

    In accordance with the declaration, beginning at 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time; Sunday, February the 2nd, the United States government will implement temporary measures to increase our abilities to detect and contain the coronavirus proactively and aggressively. Any U.S. citizen returning to the United States who has been in Hubei Province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine to ensure they are they are provided proper medical care and health screening.

    To be clear, this applies only to U.S. citizens who have been in Hubei Province in the past 14 days prior to their attempted entry into the United States.

    Any U.S. citizen returning to the United States who has been in the rest of Mainland China within the previous 14 days will undergo proactive entry health screening at a select number of ports of entry and up to 14 days of monitored self-quarantine to ensure they’ve not contracted the virus and do not pose a public health risk.

    1. If you thought Chinese Travel Policy was racist check out their Laundry Policy/ Ancient Chinese secret indeed.

      1. You watch all those sixty-year-old Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben commercials that sjw’s say are the most racist thing ever, and then you watch a 21st century Chinese ad and it puts everything into perspective.
        Nobody out-racists the Han Übermensch.

        1. There was a toothpaste brand in Thailand well into the 2000’s that was called (not making this up) “Darkie”, and featured the face of a black man in 1900’s style minstrel makeup on the tube.

  13. Stopped reading after “a CNN poll” …

    1. 300% chance of a Hillary victory!

      1. IT WAS HER TURN!

      2. The 2016 polling near the end was pretty accurate. It’s just that Trump managed to pull off incredibly tight wins in 3 states. But whatever. We’re a long way off and I kinda expecting aliens to land any day now.

        1. >>expecting aliens to land any day now.

          hopefully not in Rhode Island I hear the natives there get smashy about outsiders

          1. I found Rhode Islanders to be all warmth and sunshine compared to Massholes.

            1. So Rhode Islanders are bigger assholes than than people from Massachusetts.

  14. The New York Times looks at how New York City leaders botched their early local response to COVID-19.

    City Hall needed just a little more power over New Yorkers.

  15. “The U.S. saw another 6.6 million unemployment claims last week (after roughly 6.6 million were filed the week before).”

    OMG! The only thing that can reverse this economic disaster is unlimited, unrestricted immigration.

    #OpenBorders
    #(EspeciallyDuringAPandemic)

    1. More stimulus! We need an infrastructure bill to, um…put people to work while they are at home! . . . and, um. . . create more roadz that they aren’t allowed to drive on!

      1. The nearby BIG CITY is now putting employees on furlough and putting off infrastructure improvements that were planned for this summer, because these retarded shelter-in-place and social distancing policies have effectively nuked their operating budgets.

        If there’s anything that brings these short-sighted, panic-driven policies to an end in the next few weeks, it’s going to be local and state government budgets falling apart, because they have their populace on virtual house arrest and aren’t collecting the tax revenue they normally rely on to keep things running. Even the sane states that aren’t forcing their residents to stay indoors, like South Dakota, are going to be impacted due to reduced tourism dollars and things of that nature.

        1. Meh, maybe. I think multi-trillion-dollar bailouts of state and local governments are more likely.

          I can’t even fathom some of the long-term consequences we’re going to see from this. The amount of power that the state and federal governments have seized is astounding, and everyone seems to be totally cool with it. Plus, state budgets are going to effectively become a moot point because they will rely on Uncle Sam to save them. Just wait. By the end of the decade, we’ll be bailing out blue state pension plans.

          1. I don’t think we’re gonna have to wait that long.

        2. You are perceptive. J Pow at the fed is two steps ahead of you, though. Money printer goes brrrrrrrrrr.

          https://finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-reserve-announces-23-trillion-in-funding-for-households-local-governments-123445078.html

          1. The only thing that’s going to do is stave off the deflationary spiral for a bit. The loans don’t mean shit because 1) they have to be paid back, and 2) that’s a bit hard to do when the government has put your customer base on house arrest.

            Governments trying to paper over their payroll with these things is the height of stupidity as well, since they’ll have to raise taxes or increase fees somewhere to pay those back.

            1. This will not end well, I agree.

      2. Actually doing road work now is great. There is roadwork happening on my commute and it ain’t bad when their aren’t 100 cars in front of you stopped by a flagger.

    2. It’s all on Trump. If Hillary was President, the states would not have shutdown their economies.

      1. We would have had a booming war economy.

    3. You aren’t even trying anymore.

  16. Joe Biden: Coronavirus Is an ‘Opportunity’ for ‘Structural’ Change on Voting, Climate Change

    https://pjmedia.com/election/joe-biden-coronavirus-is-an-opportunity-for-structural-change-on-voting-climate-change/

    Biden’s view of the coronavirus crisis as an opportunity for structural change should sound familiar, and not just because of Rahm Emanuel. Last month, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told his fellow Democrats, “This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

    1. Joe Biden: Coronavirus Is an ‘Opportunity’ for ‘Structural’ Change on Voting, Climate Change

      Oh, FFS! It’s also an ‘opportunity’ for ‘structural change’ on demographics.

        1. And yet 3 very populous states have been doing it for years and years without fraud, or even changing voting result patterns. Cmon guys, don’t fall for this. Mail in voting is better than forcing people to stand in line for hours and hours to vote. Every ballot I have ever cast has been absentee or mail in.

          The arguments against mail in voting are false, partisan attempts to further the GOP strategy of broad voter suppression. Demographics are against the GOP, so they are trying to limit who votes. You can support that strategy if you want; I personally find it against the spirit of the constitution and American values, but you do you. Just be honest about that.

          1. Republicans just want all the blacks to have to get in line so they can die of the coof!

            1. Change the reason to so they don’t vote, and you’d be right.

    2. The cognitive dissonance on the left is amazing. I’m simultaneously hearing both “Ermahgerd, Trump’s gonna cancel the eleckshunz!!!” and “Hey, let’s give more control over elections to the federal government!” Jeebus, these people are idiots.

      1. NY Times 2012:

        Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises
        https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

        TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — On the morning of the primary here in August, the local elections board met to decide which absentee ballots to count. It was not an easy job.

        The board tossed out some ballots because they arrived without the signature required on the outside of the return envelope. It rejected one that said “see inside” where the signature should have been. And it debated what to do with ballots in which the signature on the envelope did not quite match the one in the county’s files.

        “This ‘r’ is not like that ‘r,’ ” Judge Augustus D. Aikens Jr. said, suggesting that a ballot should be rejected.

        Ion Sancho, the elections supervisor here, disagreed. “This ‘k’ is like that ‘k,’ ” he replied, and he persuaded his colleagues to count the vote.

        1. https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nc-election-fraud-charge-20190227-story.html

          Reporting from RALEIGH, N.C. — The political operative at the center of an election fraud scandal that has engulfed a North Carolina congressional race was arrested Wednesday on charges of illegal ballot handling and conspiracy. Four people working for him were also charged.
          Leslie McCrae Dowless Jr., 63, was accused of directing workers to collect and mail in other people’s absentee ballots during the 2018 Republican congressional primary and the 2016 general election. It is against the law in North Carolina for anyone other than the voter or a close relative to handle a mail-in ballot, a measure aimed at guarding against manipulation.

          Prosecutors are still investigating evidence of ballot tampering by Dowless and others working on behalf of Republican candidate Mark Harris during last fall’s congressional election in the mostly rural 9th District, which includes part of Charlotte and extends eastward across several counties.

          1. Huh. Above, Lying Jeffy claims there’s no evidence of any fraud, but ignores these posts with actual evidence.

            I’m shocked!

        2. If you don’t sign your ballot, how are they going to know you are registered in the Party whose ballots are going in the trash can?

        3. “This ‘k’ is like that ‘k,’ ” he replied, and he persuaded his colleagues to count the vote.

          Oh, FFS! It’s “hanging chads” all over again!

        4. How is signing a ballot unlike the dreaded voter ID?

        5. So, election officials are handwriting experts now? Whose signature is always exactly the same?

        6. I’m in California where our county has done mail in only for a few elections now. they have admitted that once a percentage of votes are counted that if the percentage not county can’t statisticly change the vote they wont count them. so much for every vote counts.

      2. It’s only recent that the President has assumed all the powers of the Federal government. Some people aren’t aware that Congress has given Trump free reign to do whatever he wants. Those people aren’t paying attention.

        1. Some people aren’t aware that Congress has given Trump free reign to do whatever he wants.

          If that’s the case, I’m a little disappointed that we aren’t getting daily livestreams of ICE flinging migrants back over the wall with trebuchets like I was promised.

    3. “Coronavirus Is an ‘Opportunity’ for ‘Structural’ Change on Voting, Climate Change”

      I try to be nice and I genuinely don’t want anyone to get the virus, including sleazy politicians. But that bullshit really makes me reconsider

  17. “…travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia,” according to new genome research from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.

    Can we finally close the border to Eurotrash too now?

    1. LOL, yeah, I’m sure it was “mainly from Europe,” despite the fact that the hardest hit areas have been international hubs that get tons of Chinese tourists coming through every month.

  18. You apparently have not been watching CNN. Their coverage has been openly partisan. No, that doesn’t do it justice. They have no concern for policy or ideology. Their only goal is to find an angle of attack. They are very transparent about that fact.

    I would take any poll from CNN with an enormous grain of salt. Their polling, like any messaging coming from them, is going to be even more partisan than that coming from the RNC or the DNC.

    I have a CNN fan in the house. It is worse than you think.

    1. “This is CNN.”

    2. Quarantine + CNN = Cruel and Unusual Punishment. You should contact the Institute of Justice.

    3. the Navigator Research team that did the other poll straight out states on their website that they’re there to help progressives win arguments. This is just openly partisan yellow journalism.

      1. I think they think it works like this:
        Progressives are right about everything and their beliefs are all pure and good. Therefore, true facts can only help win progressive arguments. Otherwise they wouldn’t be true.

        1. Sounds about right.

        2. And not only do progressives believe they are the righteous, but that there is nothing human or salvageable about those who disagree with them, who deserve full time condescension and scorn.

      2. From the blurbs of the individuals on their “advisory team”:

        – “…currently leads the communications team at The Hub Project, where she works to amplify progressive campaigns”

        – “Previously, he was the Senior Vice President of for Campaigns and Strategy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund”

        – “…most recently…served as Deputy Communications Director at Hillary for America”

        – “…President and CEO of Roosevelt Forward. Previously, she worked at the Democracy Alliance…”

        – “…a veteran Democratic Strategist. Most recently, he served as Deputy National Press Secretary and Senior Spokesperson at Hillary for America. Previously…worked as Deputy Executive Director and Director of the Independent Expenditure at the at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC)”

        – “…worked in the…Democratic National Committee, Obama for America…”

        – “…Political Director of the AFL-CIO…He is also the co-chair of Catalist, founding chair of the Analyst Institute and on the boards of numerous progressive organizations…”

        – “…Senior Vice President of the Center for American Progress and the Executive Director of the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Most recently…served as the Director of Opinion Research for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign…”

        – “…also previously served in the Obama Administration as Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary Penny Pritzker and as Special Assistant to the President and Principal Deputy Director of Public Engagement at the White House”

        CNN – “Facts First”…yeah, right…

    4. Does anyone actually watch cnn?

      1. Besides you? No.

        1. Sick burn, dudette.

          Ever thought of getting a hobby? Because I’m not sure who you are writing these asinine comments for. They’re not funny, insightful, or any sort of insult. It’s just useless space.

          1. “Sick burn, dudette.”

            No, THIS is a sick burn!

  19. Citing security concerns, Google has banned employees from using Zoom for work meetings or on work computers…

    Hangouts or nothing!

  20. At some point during the Russia Boondoggle, while I was ranting at son that the left had gone insane, he said “Yes. Trump drove them crazy and now they’re crazy.”

    This probably covers a whole lot of it, combined with their fragile ego, which must hold on to the idea they’re great, wonderful, infallible. This is threatened by the fact most of them don’t agree with us. Not being very psychologically developed — or stable — they now hate us for not confirming their ideas of self. They hate reality for not conforming to their dreams. And they want to destroy both Americans and American reality.

    America has been a thorn on the side of dictators the world wide and for the entirety of its existence. They finally have us where they want us. (No, I’m not including Trump in that… probably. Though he’s taking advantage of the lockdown and dem gloating to do a lot of things they’ve blocked him on before. To that extent, he too might want to prolong it and not be aware of how mad the rest of us are.)

    They think they can lock us forever, not give us medical care, reduce the population and finally get their perfect communist neo feudalism, where they rule like Lords and Ladies over a populace grateful they’re even ALLOWED to get out of the house and work at all.

    1. Except now, a bunch of people really are at risk of dying and soon. During this pandemic, we’ve seen our scientists both do some amazing things and also screw up incredibly. You had scientists in China who gave us false information – whoa, you mean sometimes people lie about science in pursuit of a political agenda? Does noticing that make us hate science? And look at how our own scientists’ track record. Does hydroxychloroquine work or not? The science isn’t settled. Why do their infection models change every few hours? Again, unsettled science. We’re not asking for perfection, but we also should not be asked to believe in perfection. These guys can’t accurately predict what is going to happen tomorrow yet a couple months ago we were being told that we hate science because we doubted they could foresee exactly what was going to happen in a century.

      Oh, and maybe after living through an epidemic, people will be less tolerant of living in cities where junkies plop their dung on the sidewalk as our progressive betters instruct us that this is our proper penance for the sin of being Americans. Typhoid and other diseases from the Dark Ages were starting to run rampant on our Skid Rows, and it was only a matter of time until these pathogens spread out to the normals. Perhaps a lesson of the Chinese coronavirus pandemic will be that tolerating this kind of social pathology is not how civilized people live, at least not for long.

      Yet our garbage establishment, even as millions of Americans have been plunged into unemployment, is still trying to import serfs into the country to do the work that Americans won’t do – at least not for slave wages. When unemployment hits 10% or worse, what do you think the reaction will be when some senator tries to slip into a bill a sweetheart deal to let Silicon Valley import 10,000 Chinese grinds to code for a buck a week? Probably a negative one.

      1. The “meritocracy” that emerged from the social convulsions of the 1960s is a sham.
        It’s produced an insular, culturally radical elite alienated from, and contemptuous of, the supposedly bigoted and backward country that it governs.

        1. Comments like Ra’s above are why I’ll click on an ENB column even though the article itself is idiocy.

    2. You touch on the core progressive delusions: fairness and fragility. These drive the rest of the activist agenda.

      But progressive fairness means only that everyone should enjoy the same rewards (or that, due to past unfairness, some should get greater rewards now). That kind of fairness has nothing to do with retaining greater rewards do to more substantial and successful efforts, or even just avoiding stupid choices. And it denies the significance (and “justice”) of consequences.

      Fragility is also an unrealistic redefinition of life, both social and physical. Everything must be seen as threatened with extinction, and therefore everything is in crisis–and that in turn justifies extraordinary and extralegal action.

      1. If life and civilization were so damn fragile, it all would have ended long ago.

  21. Joe Biden it is, folks.

    Hey! What is Andrew Cuomo, chopped liver?

    1. I think after Trump and Bloomberg, the last thing the Dems want is another NYer.

    2. I wish he was chopped liver…

  22. We need mass antibody testing now.

    The only thing that can save us from ourselves.

  23. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $52.0 billion

    According to Koch / Reason libertarianism, the economy is bad if our benefactor’s net worth is hovering around $60 billion. And these days it’s hovering around $50 billion, which is pretty much the textbook definition of a depression.

    #HowLongMustCharlesKochSuffer?

  24. 142 new cases today and reimposition of full lockdown…

    Is that number considered dooming?

    1. I think it’s more the lockdown that’s the concern. Might be that the composition of cases suggests wide spread instead of something very localized.

  25. WTF is “transpartisan”?

    1. Like Xerxes in “300”?

      1. It still really bothers me that Xerxes says he will erase Sparta from the history books, implying he is an omnipotent being who knows both Sparta will be part of recorded history and that there will even be recorded history in the first place.

        1. A somewhat peculiar annoyance, but valid. 😎

        2. completely valid. Herodotus is usually considered the first historian, and he was about 4 years old when the Battle of Thermopylae went down. So “history books” shouldn’t even be in Xerxes vocabulary. Of course, the movie also showed hoplites going into battle without armor or even clothes, sooooo

          1. And you haven’t even mentioned the rhino/elephant war creature

        3. Damnatio memoriae has been practiced by all sorts of cultures, since at least the reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Hatshepsut in the fourteenth century BC.

          1. So has all manner of trash talk.
            It’s nice to see that the King of kings and the Great Khan have at least one thing in common with Derek and Devontae at the park

    2. Republicans who identify as Democrats?

    3. Another made up word for political purposes, what did you think?

    4. transpartisan is when you have the operation.

    5. It’s when both parties (almost) unanimously decide to fuck us.

  26. Well, well, well–saw this pop up yesterday. Guess the medical community is starting to notice that people who go on ventilators have a REALLY poor chance of surviving:

    “Some doctors moving away from ventilators for virus patients”

    NEW YORK (AP) — As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

    The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients…The reason is not clear. It may have to do with what kind of shape the patients were in before they were infected. Or it could be related to how sick they had become by the time they were put on the machines, some experts said.
    But some health professionals have wondered whether ventilators might actually make matters worse in certain patients, perhaps by igniting or worsening a harmful immune system reaction.

    This is yet another reason why implementing hysteria and the Precautionary Principle as public policy is rank idiocy of the highest order. All this shrieking for ventilators (never mind the fact that you need trained techs to operate them), and now they’re wondering if that’s actually contributing to the death total.

    Meanwhile, doctors have actually shown high recovery rates in administering hydroxychloroquine + a z-pack or doxycycline + zinc, as opposed to the 50-85% morbidity rates we’re seeing with putting people on vents.

    1. Yeah, but Trump said he has high hopes for hydroxychloroquine so ipso facto it’s evil and doesn’t work.

      1. Don’t forget he also has a small amount of stock in the pharmaceutical company that developed it. Nevermind that it’s an off-patent drug now and that the financial stake he has is tiny and through a diversified mutual fund. The fact is he might get slightly richer and that’s doubleplusungood.

        1. Apparently the mutual fund investment is almost $1500, so if Trump plays all his cards right he may be looking at a cool $300 extra.
          The Art of the Deal, indeed.

          1. Totally worth that smokescreen of donating his presidential salary back to the treasury.
            Diabolical!

    2. I would be extremely reluctant to draw definitive conclusions about whether putting people on ventilators is bad for them.

      The data suggesting that people with autoimmune disorders (of various types) are most susceptible appears to be credible. The reason infants have a lower morbidity rate than they typically do suggests that the high morbidity of this virus has to do with a hyperactive autoimmune response. Infants aren’t as susceptible to a hyperactive autoimmune response because they start from a lower autoimmune baseline, but those infants, young people, and elderly who have hyperactive autoimmune disorders are much more likely to die.

      However, regardless of whether immunosuppressants and steroids or hydroxychloroquine and other treatments are effective, I don’t think it’s an either/or question about whether to put them on a ventilator. If their lungs are so inflamed they can’t get enough oxygen, you put them on a ventilator.

      Couldn’t help but notice that “some doctors” line is using a weasel word. Don’t see the link there, but if they’re talking about doctors in other countries that have access to even fewer ventilators than we do, then the tough decision about whether to use a ventilator that doesn’t exist becomes a whole lot easier. It mostly becomes a rationalization (by a doctor who may or may not work for the government) about why they don’t really need what they don’t have.

      Ever hear the story about the fox and the sour grapes?

      1. The estimate I have read is mortality approaches 80% when you get put on a respirator.

        Just curious….what data are you looking at = The data suggesting that people with autoimmune disorders (of various types) are most susceptible appears to be credible. The reason infants have a lower morbidity rate than they typically do suggests that the high morbidity of this virus has to do with a hyperactive autoimmune response. Infants aren’t as susceptible to a hyperactive autoimmune response because they start from a lower autoimmune baseline, but those infants, young people, and elderly who have hyperactive autoimmune disorders are much more likely to die.

        1. “The estimate I have read is mortality approaches 80% when you get put on a respirator.”

          The most severe cases are the ones put on a respirator. That’s a big part of what makes the ICU. The ICU has a much higher morbidity rate than the general population of the hospital under normal circumstances. That doesn’t mean the respirators are causing the morbidity. The most severe cases are the ones put on respirators. Why wouldn’t they have a higher morbidity rate?

          Do you want/i> to believe that the respirators are the problem for some reason?

        2. “The out-of-control immune response eventually causes the patients’ lungs to stop delivering oxygen to the rest of organs, leading to respiratory failure and in some cases death, the experts say. The malfunctioning immune system may be driving the rapid decline in lung function experienced by some patients, including younger and relatively healthy ones, after the initial onset of symptoms, doctors say.

          . . . .

          Doctors have used the term “cytokine storm” to describe an overactive immune response triggered by external pathogens such as bacterial and viral infections.

          . . . .

          Proteins called cytokines are part of the immune system’s arsenal for fighting disease. When too many are released into the bloodstream too quickly, however, it can have disastrous results, including organ failure and death.

          In the most severe coronavirus patients, the disease appears to have two stages, doctors and researchers say. First the immune system fails to respond quickly or effectively enough to the virus. Then the immune response becomes too aggressive and floods the body with cytokines.

          The surge of cytokines damages blood vessels and allows fluids to seep into the lungs, filling them up like water balloons, doctors say.

          “The virus initiated it,” said Ya-Chi Ho, an assistant professor at the Yale School of Medicine who studies infectious diseases. “The second problem is our immune system handled it wrong, and induces this cytokine storm and clogs our lungs. That’s why patients die.”

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/haywire-immune-response-eyed-in-coronavirus-deaths-treatment-11586430001?

          Use the Wayback Machine if you need to, or, better yet, use a search engine and look for “U-shaped”, “cytokine storm”, etc. There are all sorts of reports saying more or less the same thing. Given the data we have, it appears that a hyperactive autoimmune response is what is making this virus so deadly, and that is consistent with the lack of U-shaped curve . . .

          In influenza outbreaks, for instance, the morbidity rate spikes for infants and the elderly–going up on the extreme ends of the curve makes it U-shaped. With this virus, infants aren’t spiking like the elderly. Under other circumstances, like influenza outbreaks, the reason children have a higher mortality rate than people in the middle of the curve is because their immune systems are relatively undeveloped. The only antibodies they have acquired may be those they receive through their mother’s milk. The elderly are dealing with compromised immune systems for myriad reasons–but they have a lifetime of antibodies they’ve been exposed to.

          The general consensus–based on what we know now–says that the reason infants have a lower mortality rate than expected to this virus is because the deadliness of this virus is bound to the hyperactive autoimmune response–rather than the effects of the virus itself.

          1. Yeah, I was familiar with this, Ken. Thanks for the follow up post.

            I am one of those data nerds who would very much like to play with a data set and get the data I am looking for. Specifically, data on RA patients, male, middle-aged 39-59, BMI <30; outcomes with Covid-19. It will be a small cohort nationally, not more than 900K total in the US, but that is the one I need to know. IHME had a downloadable patient data portal, but the comorbidities fields were all blank. That just sucked.

        3. I avoid doctors and hospitals, because most people die in a hospital or under a doctor’s care.

    3. The fixation on ventilators was another retarded political diversion and crowd-sourced delusion.

      In case you don’t know, ventilator protocol typically includes sedation of the patient, induced muscle paralysis, and invasive hardware that reverses the normal influx of air by positive pressure. It is not some friendly, easy breathing assist.

      Even without a serious lung infection like COVID-19, ventilated patients suffer 25-30% fatality rates. Those that survive must be weaned off ventilation, and most suffer breathing complications for months to years.

      Far from a silver bullet.

      1. Triage has been a technique to address a real problem since before modern practices evolved during the Napoleonic Wars.

        Three groups:

        1) Those who will probably die regardless of whether they’re treated.
        2) Those who will probably live regardless of whether they’re treated.
        3) Those who will probably die if they don’t receive treatment and will probably live if they do receive treatment.

        This is necessary because in the aftermath of a battle, there are more casualties than there are doctors and nurses to treat them.

        The same thing happens in the wake of natural disasters and epidemics, and if the thousands of Americans who are dying of this virus are dying because they can’t breathe, then the fact that there aren’t enough ventilators to serve all of them at the same time is a real problem. Just because we don’t like lock down orders or because lock down orders aren’t a solution to that problem, doesn’t mean that the problem of too few ventilators isn’t real.

        Incidentally, because we don’t like the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, data collection by the NSA, the ongoing war in Afghanistan, etc. doesn’t mean that terrorism isn’t a real threat or that 9/11 was an inside job. Climate change and AGW are either real or not–regardless of whether we hate and oppose the authoritarian and socialist solutions advocated by progressives and environmentalists. Barack Obama was born wherever he was born regardless of whether we hate his use of TARP funds, his nationalization of GM, his stimulus, or ObamaCare.

        Not having enough ventilators to go around in a pandemic stinks, and it may hurt our argument against authoritarian lock downs if we try to get people to pretend otherwise. It’s much more persuasive to acknowledge the problem and offer better solutions–especially when the lock downs are a real problem themselves and the truth is that people who wish to isolate themselves are still free to do so.

        1. The lack of ventilators isn’t the issue–people think that these things are magic medical devices that you just attach the sick to, and it keeps them alive long enough to beat the virus. Empirically speaking, that’s a false belief, and it also doesn’t take into account the fact that you need trained techs to operate them, which the press has been pointedly ignoring up until VERY recently (saw a mention about this on the local news last night, and it’s the first time during this whole mass hysteria that I’ve seen the journo-whores bring it up).

          1. “The lack of ventilators isn’t the issue–people think that these things are magic medical devices that you just attach the sick to, and it keeps them alive long enough to beat the virus. Empirically speaking, that’s a false belief”

            The people who are dying from the coronavirus are dying for lack of oxygen, and not having enough ventilators available for everyone who is at risk stinks.

            People who are especially at risk of mortality should be free to isolate themselves if they please, and the rest of us should be free to go back to work–regardless of how many ventilators are available.

            And all of that is true regardless of whether having enough ventilators for everybody stinks, and not having enough ventilators for everyone who might be at risk for dying for lack of oxygen stinks–regardless of whether some people mistakenly believe it’s a cure.

            There is nothing about any of this that requires rational people to pretend that not having enough ventilators isn’t a problem.

      2. Oh, absolutely. They made it sound like any nurse could just shove a tube down someone’s throat, flip a switch, and everything was taken care of. “Crowd-sourced delusion” is a good way of putting things, but Trump wasn’t capable of countering the narrative that we were critically short on ventilators; he was just reacting to the manufactured hysteria over them.

        We’ve actually never been short on ventilators, nor on hospital beds, despite the rabid panic-mongering. Putting up field hospitals to isolate the COVID patients from the rest of the hospital population should have been SOP from the beginning so that other patients could have their needs attended to.

        What’s really going to be fun is when this thing comes back in the fall, and people realize that “social distancing” and “shelter in place” didn’t do jack shit to suppress the virus. Singapore’s already finding that out. We’ll see if Americans are going to be willing to do another round of mass house arrest, but I doubt it given that the economy is going in the toilet. It hasn’t even been a month and people are already pushing back against these orders because they’re tired of being cooped up inside. We’ll see if my “two months or less” prediction holds up on when these orders get lifted.

    4. All this shrieking for ventilators (never mind the fact that you need trained techs to operate them), and now they’re wondering if that’s actually contributing to the death total.

      My dad was a respiratory therapy department head in hospitals and wasn’t just a middle manager – he actually had pretty much every kind of RT certification you can get. He has a lot of horror stories of nurses and sometimes even actual doctors fucking with the settings on machines and nearly killing patients (sometimes actually killing patients) with their incompetence. While they may know more general medicine than an RT tech, many don’t really have the training or expertise to set up a ventilator properly. I shudder to think who’s setting up the machines in these hospitals – RT techs don’t just grow on trees and not just anyone can do it.

    5. ” perhaps by igniting or worsening a harmful immune system reaction”
      So the body finds a foreign object shoved down its throat and says “were gonna need a heap more white blood cells to attack this [made in China] beast”?

      1. That seems to be the gist of it. These are people who are almost all quite sick with something else to begin with, and if their immune system is having a violent reaction to the body getting put on a vent, it may just be wearing them out to the point that they expire.

    6. sometimes forcing oxygen into a system can actually cause more damage. Anybody remember the move “Andromida Strain” they had to starve the virus of air

      1. It would be hilariously ironic if these vents are super-charging the virus and keeping it alive.

  27. cannot even have one friend over for coffee in your home without risking big fine.

    “Singapore is a fine city.”

  28. The national polls aren’t all that important. President Trump has probably picked up some support among Democrats in states like California and New York, but it doesn’t really matter how voters there feel about his handling of the coronavirus. Those states are going blue in November, and whether they go 60/40 for Biden or 70/30 for Biden doesn’t make any difference in the presidential election at all.

    How is the president doing in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin? That’s the important question, along with the question of how he’s doing relative to Joe Biden. President Trump isn’t running against some theoretical candidate named “Disapproval”. Americans picked between two candidates they weren’t crazy about in 2016, and whether they approve of President Trump doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as whether they like him better than Joe Biden.

    Just because Joe Biden was the most electable candidate in the Democratic field doesn’t mean he’s electable enough to actually beat President Trump either. If it weren’t for the coronavirus, Trump would be sailing to an easy victory right now, but I still think he has a lot of credibility in rust belt swing states. The unemployment statistics won’t help President Trump, but he can argue that he brought the rust belt back after Democrats like Joe Biden left them to twist in the wind for years–and so they should trust him to bring the rust belt back again. It isn’t the best argument in the world, but it’s probably more than enough to beat Joe Biden.

    1. Biden’s counter argument will most likely be muttered rambling, so I think Trump’s pretty safe.

      1. His support among unions (and those who wish they were in a union) is troubling, but the people in those rust belt swing states voted against what the union leadership told them to do in 2016, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they did so again. It only take a quarter or a third of them to go against the union to make a big difference, and a lot of that opposition was because the Democrats were so woke. When the Democrats hate on the white, blue collar, middle class of the rust belt long enough, after a while, the white, blue collar, middle class voters of the rust belt start to believe them.

        I don’t think the Democrats can stop being woke long enough to let people forget how much they hate white people for being racist, blue collar people for refusing to sacrifice their standard of living for climate change, Christians for being homophobes, etc., etc.

        The Republicans want to pass another round of loans for small businesses to the tune of $250 billion right now. The Democrats oppose it–because they want to add and additional $250 billion to shore up the budgets of state and local government and they want half of the $250 billion in loans to small businesses to be reserved exclusively for women and minorities.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/09/coronavirus-senate-250-billion-small-businesses/2970636001/

        I’d rather neither bill passed, but even if I supported the bill to help small businesses, I’d oppose giving money to local governments–especially those with outrageous pension commitments. The idea that my future paychecks should be used to fund the outrageous pension benefits of government employees makes me feel nauseated. But that’s not the issue I’m going for here.

        The Democrats can’t even bail out small businesses in a crisis without being woke about it. Sorry, sir, but you’re a white man–no soup for you! How do you think that’s gonna go down in the Midwest?

        1. People don’t despise Joe at anywhere near the intensity level that they despised Her.

          1. It’s not just Hillary.

            It’s the woke hatred of average Americans being projected by the Democratic party and the news media that supports them.

            1. And because they live in bubbles they can’t hear the rest of us, so they assume we can’t hear them.

        2. I can only guess, but I’m eagerly awaiting the election to find out.

    2. …Joe Biden was the most electable candidate in the Democratic field…

      That says a lot about the Democratic field, none of it good.

  29. Really? Citing CNN is bad enough, but an article lead?
    Really!

    1. We could start by pointing out that people are getting testy with imprisonment, and are therefore getting upset with a lot of things.
      Hand that over to CNN, and what do you think they will focus on?
      Hand THAT over to the worst victim of TDS on the Reason staff, and what do you think the lead will be?

  30. And Americans increasingly think the federal government overall is handling the crisis poorly.

    The question is do they think the government is handling the crisis poorly because government agencies like the CDC and FDA keep making things worse with inflexible rules and regulations and authoritarian edicts, or do they think the government is handling the crisis poorly because they believe the feds haven’t gone authoritarian enough? My guess is probably the latter because people suck.

    1. Exactly i tried to tell a person the other day that if it weren’t for Trump’s order the CDC and FDA would still be requiring their failed test methods be done by them alone. It was Trump who got them to finally agree to let others test. But no that didn’t matter

  31. “A CNN poll”

    Stopped reading there, into the trash it goes.

  32. What do Fig Newtons and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches have in common? Listen to this preview of this week’s podcast to find out — and then check out the full episode at https://JoeBiden.com/Heres-The-Deal or wherever you get your podcasts.

    1. I’d rather eat mud.

  33. On the way out the door, Bernie said that Justice Kavanaugh was “a very decent man.” Oh wait, he said that about Joe Biden. Then again, we know Bernie has no idea what “decent” means.

  34. Saw this tweet in response to Annie Lowrey saying that it’s a tragedy unemployment claims aren’t higher, since we need everyone not working right now:

    “For some, this is a national orgy of autoerotic asphyxiation.”

    I think that sums it up pretty well.

    1. we need everyone not working right now:
      Same person later that day: My pizza is late!

      1. people should just do the right thing and have rich parents and/or trust funds

    2. it’s a tragedy unemployment claims aren’t higher, since we need everyone not working right now

      Says the person who has no idea how or why they get running water just by turning on a faucet or how or why they’re able to turn a light just by flipping a switch. What a fucking moron.

      1. Rhetorical I’m sure, but a little bit of background information makes this comment even better. She a) is Ezra Klein’s wife and b) wrote a book called Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World. So… yeah.

        1. Meant my reply at the bottom of the thread to go here. Oh well.

          It’s nice to know a Harvard bachelor’s enables one to write on economics policy for the Times. Also nice to see that Financial Times not only gave a book on UBI the light of day, but thought it one of the best business books that year. That’s a touch concerning.

          See, Reason staff! There’s hope for you! You don’t have to be stuck here forever.

  35. Navigator Research’s intro spiel on their main page:

    “A credible, trusted message-development voice for progressives in policy debates, providing the best words, images, elements, phrases and frames to ensure progressives win the argument.”

    Wow, between that and CNN, how can I have any doubt that the polling is reliable. It’s not like the proggies have been twisting facts and straight out lying to us about Trump for the last 4 years every chance they get.

    Look, I don’t doubt in my mind that the constant bickering like in DC between Trump and the Dems, like toddlers over a toy, is offputting to folks. But these assholes are pretty obvious that they have a bias and that they are trying to force that bias on everyone else.

    1. And Reason is there to push the firm’s message to another audience

    2. How fun it would be to direct “message development”?

    3. Reason just won’t cease amazing me.

      It’s actually making me sad what has happened to this publication.

      1. Who do you blame, R Mac? If anyone at all? KMW, the Jacket?

        Or has it all gone to hell since Postrel left?

        1. Not sure honestly. Who hires these writers? They get some. The writers themselves obviously. And whoever allows them to keep writing this garbage, if it’s different than who hired them.

          I do remember clearly the day I noticed it starting though. I was a subscriber to the hard copy for about a decade before they hired Shrika, and I remember reading the introduction for her at the beginning of the mag when her first article appeared, and was skeptical if she was really a libertarian or was just purely for open borders. By the time my subscription was up for renewal I decided not to.

  36. From my perspective, based on what I see, the testing criticism of the Federal government’s response is a valid one. The most charitable description is uneven. I’d call it overly reactive (as opposed to be proactive) and way too slow.

    History will judge whether we had the right man at the right time or not.

    1. This comment is too reasonable. How has it not been censored?

  37. So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.

    Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.

    1. Harlan Krumholz, a doctor at Yale New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, wrote in the New York Times earlier this week that his hospital is eerily empty of heart and stroke patients. While some of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgeries, it doesn’t explain the drop in other medical emergencies that are not elective or planned. “What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared,” wrote Dr. Krumholz.

      Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle. This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.

      Dr. Krumholz posits that perhaps some patients are dying in silence at home out of fear of coming to the hospital. He explores possible reasons for a reduction in other illnesses, but seems to believe that, if anything, given the anxiety and stress of this crisis, we should be seeing more heart attacks. It’s one thing to expect car accident fatalities to plummet, given how few people are on the roads. But heart attacks?

      While Dr. Krumholz’s main point is to warn people not to be deterred from seeking medical care for other emergencies, perhaps he is glossing over another factor. Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?

      Dr. Krumholz explains that his fellow doctors actually expected to see more heart attacks because “respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks.”

      “Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke,” observes Krumholz. “The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now.”

      Well, what if I told you that this is actually happening, but these cases are being recorded as COVID-19 deaths, not as heart attacks, simply because the patient died with the virus?

      1. This is what happened in Italy and how they’re reporting fatalities.

      2. So, the heart attack teams are just sitting around while infected people die of heart attacks?

      3. “Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?”

        YES!!! AND IT COUNTS!

        Sorry, just felt like some Marv Albert basketball calls were appropriate at this time.

        Covid’s mostly killing the already sick. Think of it as Nature’s lion pride of the Serengeti.

        1. Does this mean you like to bite prostitutes on the back?

      4. In another reason.com article, there was a post which had a graph of the last few years of pneumonia deaths charted by week. Most years were roughly consistent, except 2020, where the line took a nose dive in early March.

        I can’t find that post now, unfortunately.

  38. > Terrible news from Singapore: second wave is picking up steam.

    That’s the problem with lockdowns. Once in place you can’t remove them. Because once you do people start to interact again and you get a new wave of infections. Meaning that the lockdowns will be permanent.

    It’s best to allow for some social interaction. Stop declaring businesses “non-essential”. Keep some rules about distance in stores, max number of people in stores, etc. But the idea that we have to strangle the economy until it stops kicking is just wrong. The goal is to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. Because we can’t eliminate it.

    1. No so sure you can flatten it much.

      1. Particularly if the virus was in circulation for a few weeks before you do anything. I kind of hope that all the lockdown shit in the US turns out to be ineffective and it is already widespread. This would mean that it is less severe than assumed for most people and that we are closer to herd immunity.

  39. “Polls show..” is journalism at its worst.

    1. Especially when it’s a question about a factual issue, rather than opinion

  40. ENB linking to CNN is not cool.

    CNN is fake news.

    Do better Reason.

    1. Did you miss the link to Buzzfeed? Always a reliable source . . .

  41. Citing security concerns, Google has banned employees from using Zoom for work meetings or on work computers (without the government even having to make them do so).

    Finally some libertarian sentiment here at Reason…

  42. Surprised not to see anything in ENB’s post about the voting-by-mail hoopla. The left’s latest crocodile tears are over Trump saying that the process is corrupt and then saying that he did vote by mail. Since one of their favorite tactics to win arguments is changing the definition of words they pretend that calling something “corrupt” is the same as calling it “intrinsically bad”.

    The funny thing is, they portray Trump as saying something is only corrupt if it doesn’t benefit him, but that is literally how they operate politically.

  43. A CNN poll that came out Wednesday found overall disapproval for Trump’s pandemic performance stands at 52 percent

    Elizabeth, there’s a guy named Remy on Reason that makes videos. You should check out his CNN ones.

  44. What happened to that loveconstitution guy? Did he get a common cold, or maybe the common flu, or whatever he called it?

    1. I think he got the ban-hammer.

      1. But who will accuse me of being an unreason sock troll?

      2. What did he actually do, besides being mildly-moderately annoying?

        1. He was an awesomely successful farmer-lawyer-entrepreneur-philosopher, as I recall, with a subservient 10 for a wife, a massive estate (two-mile driveway), a company that provided his fleet of vehicles, a huge arsenal of extraordinary weaponry, and an undefeated lifetime record as a badass confounding any authorities who dared challenge him . . . although I doubt I could remember the entirety of his circumstance.

          1. You forget expert stock picker who pumps the market the day prior to a 30% drop but still insists he is up on his trades. Oh also he has several armored personnel carriers. Also he is too rich to get any Trump bucks, even though most of that bailout is going to SBA programs that pay anyone with an LLC, corp, independent contractor or non profit. He somehow is so rich that he makes a ton of money every year without any employees or even his own payroll.

            1. Isn’t this a bitter little circle jerk.

              You forgot the part where he regularly called out the four of you whenever you were lying your asses off.

              1. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa! You must really miss him.

              2. Pathetic. So you really believe the dude has several APC’s that he has to regularly gas up? Cmon now.

                1. Meh who cares what anyone here says. You regularly lie your ass off, and others call you on it. That’s how it goes. I couldn’t care less who is here and what they say, but I do enjoy fucking with shitheads like you.

          2. The great ones are always missed.
            Tony is not.

  45. “A CNN poll”.

    Why don’t we check with HuffPo, Media Matters and the View and Rachel Maddow audiences too while we are at it? That will give us an accurate and unbiased view of what the public thinks.

    1. It’s remarkable that all the Smart People at Reason fail to see what’s happening with the polls: Gallup came out with the shocker that Trump’s approval exceed 50% and lo! we now conveniently have the results of several Media-sponsored polls that show just the opposite.

      Clockwork.

      1. LOL, Gallup came out with a pro-Trump poll result?! Not Rasmussen?

        Hilarious. He must be doing fairly well in hearts & minds then. Especially, given these circumstances, I’m personally in a mood to hate any politician.

  46. Unknown Caller: “As reported by CNN and the NYT, Trump failed to take COVID-19 seriously until forced by Democrats to do so; he has also failed to follow the advice of experts, both within his own government and abroad. That is why Americans are dying at a rate 100x that of advanced nations like Luxembourg or Switzerland. How do you feel about Trump’s early response to the virus? Press (1) if you are satisfied with it, (2) if you are dissatisfied with it.”

    1. I wish there was an upvote button.

  47. Polls show … some say …

    1. experts believe …

      1. everybody knows…

        it is well-established science…

  48. WELL! Thank the lord for CNN polls! Wooopeeee!

  49. “A CNN poll that came out Wednesday….”

    A CNN poll. *snicker* A CNN poll? *guffaw*

    Hillary has a 99% chance of winning, amirite?

    1. “Hillary has a 99% chance of winning, amirite?”

      The American culture war? That understates her prospects.

      1. As do your prospects of getting the coof, hicklib.

    2. I read that as Hilarity has a 99% chance of winning.

  50. From Google, that’s rich. We’ve banned google docs and essentially every other google service except search from work computers for years. Never forget that in 2007, Google’s lawyers said in open court that no google user had any reasonable expectation of privacy while using their services.

  51. From her wiki: “an American journalist who writes on politics and economic policy for The Atlantic magazine.
    Previously, Lowrey covered economic policy for The New York Times.”

    Harvard grad, of course. No mention of an advanced degree in the subject.

    OTOH, her UBI book got on the short list for McKinsey/Financial Times’s Business Book of the Year award.

    This is explaining a lot, about a lot of things.

  52. Trump’s manifest ignorance baffles so many because his skill in building his cult of personality proves that he is not fully a congenital moron. What Trump is is an insect. In his famous quote about his ideal of human intelligence and competence Heinlein said that “…specialization is for insects.” Trump has so completely specialized in self-promotion that he has no other skills, nor even thoughts. Trump is an insect – a very poisonous insect.

    1. Tony? Is that you?

  53. Considering that the media, including Reason, has been blaming absolutely everything related to covid-19 on Trump, it’s not hard to believe that some folks are being swayed.

  54. A Major Controversy that happened so close after an Impeachment that could cost the Party Re-election…

    Could Corona be Trump’s Elián González

  55. I don’t read Reason to read about political surveys. They are notoriously inaccurate, especially in the day of cellphones, when no one will take just any call and answer a lot of political questions. A new low, Reason. Besides, being someone who is a Constitutionalist, I hate both parties. They trash the Constitution every budget and every week they are in session.

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