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Massie, and That Pesky Constitution, Hold Up COVID-19 Bailout Bill

Plus: civic dynamism on display, Justice Department embraces home detainment of federal prisoners, and more...


Massie's big move? The House of Representatives is poised to vote on the $2 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that the Senate passed yesterday. But there's a snag: Rep. Thomas Massie. The Kentucky Republican reportedly wants colleagues back in D.C. for a regular, recorded vote this morning instead of the voice vote that was expected to take place today.

"Members are advised that it is possible this measure will not pass by voice vote," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's office wrote in a Thursday advisory memo to members.

Massie tweeted out a link last night to Article I, Section 5, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which dictates the rules of engagement in the House of Representatives.

A quorum requires 216 members of the House be present for the vote.

"The senate did some voodoo just like with Obamacare," Massie added. "Took a House Bill (HR 748) dealing with taxes, stripped every word, and put their bill in it. The House is just as responsible for killing the origination clause as the Senate. It's the House's job to reject the process." 

Some members of Congress have been lashing out at Massie on Twitter. 

Rep. Pete King (R–N.Y.) called Massie's move to make House members respect the Constitution "disgraceful" and "irresponsible."

"If you intend to delay passage of the #coronavirus relief bill tomorrow morning, please advise your 428 colleagues RIGHT NOW so we can book flights and expend ~$200,000 in taxpayer money to counter your principled but terribly misguided stunt," tweeted Rep. Dean Phillips (D–Minn.). 

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D–Ariz.) declared that he was "jumping on the red eye tonight" back to D.C., adding a (presumably sarcastic) "thanks Massie."

Despite some theatrical reactions, "passage isn't in jeopardy," NBC News notes. The vote could "be delayed for as long as it takes for 216 members to arrive in Washington." 

"Pelosi called him selfish," writes the left-populist pundit Matt Stoller, research director for the American Economic Liberties Project. "Reality is more complex. She just doesn't want to lose power and do remote voting." 

"Pelosi has kept the entire House in their districts, and is hoping to get the bill through without any formal debate or any hearings at all," Stoller suggested

Trump's cynical calculation? As the U.S. surpasses Italy and China to have the most confirmed cases of COVID-19, the Trump administration is still dragging its fee on ventilators and promising America will be open for business again by Easter (April 12).  Meanwhile, more and more state leaders are telling residents to stay home and ordering "non-essential" businesses closed.

Politically speaking, the president might be making a brilliant move: Allow other people to make the difficult decisions, then point to the inevitable-either-way economic devastation as something that could have been prevented if only we had gone to work sooner. 

Or maybe that's just the best-case scenario. President Donald Trump could try to interfere with states' ability to impose social distancing rules. No, he's not going to send the military to reopen bars and movie theaters. But financial aid to state governments gives Washington all sorts of carrots and sticks. 

For now, though, that doesn't seem to be on the horizon. In a letter to state leaders yesterday, Trump announced that "new guidelines for State and local policymakers to use in making decisions about maintaining, increasing, or relaxing social distancing and other mitigation measures" would be coming soon. Using "data-driven criteria, we will suggest guidelines categorizing counties as high-risk, medium-risk, or low-risk," he said. 

That might not be a bad idea. As J.D. Tuccille wrote this week in Reason, we need to recognize that different areas of this country have very different risk profiles. 

COVID-19 and criminal justice. Another Trump-admin move that is heartening to see: embracing home detainment for nonviolent offenders in federal prisons. 

"I am confident in our ability to keep inmates in our prisons as safe as possible from the pandemic currently sweeping across the globe," Attorney General Bill Barr wrote in a Thursday memo to the federal Bureau of Prisons. "At the same time, there are some at-risk inmates who are non-violent and pose a minimal likelihood of recidivism and who might be safer serving their sentences in home confinement rather than in BOP facilities." 

New coronavirus cases expand around U.S. As Washington obsesses over which of the two ruling parties deserves more blame for the crisis, cases of the new coronavirus in the U.S. are starting to grow rapidly outside such hotbeds as New York and Washington state. 

For state-by-state breakdowns of cases, recoveries, and deaths, check out this tracker from Johns Hopkins University


Beneficence on display. Airbnbs and hotels are offering free housing to COVID-19 first respondents—yet another example of private enterprises stepping up to fill public health voids in this time of crisis. "We shouldn't lose sight of the exceptional vitality that the private sector is demonstrating during this mess," as Veronique de Rugy writes.

At USA Today, Alexandra Hudson rounds up more examples of private enterprise stepping in to help ease COVID-19 related hardships. "Adam Smith distinguished between justice and beneficence," she writes: 

Justice is the bare minimum we owe to others, an obligation to do no harm. Today, this means staying home during the quarantine and not potentially infecting others. But justice is about mere survival. To flourish, we need beneficence—the obligation we have to do good for others. It is a tumultuous time, but we should recognize and celebrate our vibrant ecosystem of civic dynamism that is dedicated to promoting the common good.


Coronavirus news from around the world: 


  • "We need every doctor and researcher we can get right now," writes Shikha Dalmia. "It's time to cut H-B1 Visa red tape."
  • The Environmental Protection Agency is relaxing some rules in the face of COVID-19.
  • New York City outbreak update: 

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  1. Why is Germany’s death rate so much lower than the rate in other countries?

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      1. Shut up, you socialist.

        1. To be fair, The Don is on Reason TV video saying he “likes” libertarianism. How many other kleptocracy politicians can you produce that kind of evidence for. (I cast my ballots for the LP ticket) Once we get 12 million votes (per logistics curve fit), with spoiler votes covering the gap in 36 States, looters will be trampling each other to brag how “libertarian” they are.

      2. Stop spamming, asshole.

        1. Haha.unreason spam bot sock trolls demand commenter not criticize unreason,

          1. Fuck off. Stop pretending that you’re a libertarian and that people like me aren’t. If Trump was a libertarian like you claim, he would have praised Massie for trying to keep a pork-laden bill from passing. You never criticize Trump because you’re his butt boy, and you are not fooling anyone. “Unreason” is a lame insult, BTW.

            1. Does anybody with any sense think Trump is a libertarian? He’s not. What he is, is functionally the least not-libertarian President we’ve had in a generation. He quite often does what a libertarian would do, albeit because he’s a pragmatist, while most Presidents have ideological convictions driving them to avoid libertarian actions even where they’re the pragmatic thing to do.

              I’d have preferred Rand Paul had gotten the Republican nomination. He dropped out before I ever got the chance to vote for him in the primaries, and he probably would have been slaughtered in the general election.

              No, Trump is not a libertarian. He’s something terrifying to consider: The most libertarian President we’re likely to ever get.

          2. Poor unreason sock trolls. So sad.

      3. Poor unreason sock trolls.

        1. Poor hatecomstitution, pretending to be a libertarian while being a Trump sycophant at the same time. Trump wants Massie kicked out of the GOP. You agree?

          1. The T-Party will be glad to have Massie helping them block access to women’s clinics.

        2. Here come upset unreason staffers. Taking criticism personally because they know it’s accurate.

          1. Lol. You are spineless. Won’t even answer a simple question. Sad.

          2. Poor unreason really expects libertarians to reply to spineless unreason sock trolls?

            1. 1. You’re not a libertarian.
              2. You DID reply. Lol.
              3. You won’t answer the question because you’re a chicken shit.

    3. Italy recently reported that they couldn’t cremate the bodies of coronavirus dead fast enough. Really gets the noggin joggin’.

      1. Bring some Germans to Italy. I bet they can help.

        1. Too soon? But funny.

          1. What you talking about Willis?

            That joke was 75 years in the making.

      2. There is a huge coal plant in Milan. Canadian news shows pollution levels from this March compared to last March. The areas with high commievirus death rates rely on coal, not nuclear power. Pollution overall is dropping fast as industry, trade, production and movement come under bans. Clean air places, and frozen wastelands, have few cases.

    4. Germany’s death rate is lower because they have much higher testing rates.

  2. San Diego-based Navy ship orders crew confined on board amid soaring COVID-19 case numbers

    All sailors should have been confined to their ships weeks ago.

    I swear, these Admirals can be super stupid sometimes.

    1. You never spent any time in the Navy, did you?

      1. YOU never spent anytime underway with no liberty ports, have you?

        1. BENO Station. Be no fun, be no liberty, be no beer…

          1. +1000

        2. You never spent any time in port with a highly communicable disease, have you? Ventilation below decks sucks. They ought to be getting these sailors off of the ship and isolated.

          Keep them there, and they’ll all get it.

          1. And now you can add 5,000 sailors on the USS Roosevelt to that list.

            Aircraft Carrier Outbreak Sends Troops Scrambling

          2. If they were all onboard weeks ago, they might not have gotten it. You cant order civilians to stay home but you can order military members to stay isolated from civilians.

            This was a total lapse of good judgement by the US Navy commands. All sailors should not be mingling with non-ship persons right now.

            Either way this Kungflu is minor illness and the Navy better not let all our ships get stuck in port, especially boomers.

  3. Truckers Wary of New York Deliveries Create Headache for Grocers

    Imagine that! Truckers dont want to endure more bullshit for the same amount of money.

    Yippee, government price and wage controls.

    1. Need more Drive-By Truckers.

      1. Those mother truckers!

      2. I never liked that band.

    2. Bloomberg can show them how to plant corn.

      1. How hard can it be?

        Maybe they can plant ventilators, too.

  4. As the U.S. surpasses Italy and China to have the most confirmed cases of COVID-19…

    Thank goodness China finally became trustworthy in their reporting or the United States wouldn’t know it is so much worse in numbers now.

    1. Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples, silence doctors and suppress the news…
      But that’s all in the past, nowadays they’re totes honest about stuff and we can completely trust them.

      1. Just go down the hall and ask the Chinese censor, I mean, editor.

        1. +1000

    2. China shut down an entire region. They put checkpoints all around.

      We waited until New York had exploded with more cases than any nation other than China and Italy… then we told New Yorkers to stay home…. so they hopped on flights out.

        1. Remember when Vice was Vice Guides and Shane Smith did gonzo journalism with a little cannon digital elph?

          There’s some Russian dude who does that now. One of his videos popped up on youtube for me – he goes to North Korea just like Smith did in the Vice Guide to North Korea.

          He also has a video from China during the lockdown. He tries to drive to the locked down areas. He gets arrested.

          It was a pretty good glimpse into the efforts they put in to preventing the spread. They had roadblocks around the entire region.

    3. And Italy has roughly 1/5th of our population.

    1. Just watch when all those eggs are requisitioned for making vaccines.

    2. Wouldn’t it be the chicken?

    3. I don’t get the yolk.

    4. Did I crack you guys up?

      1. You’re giving us shell shock.

        1. I didn’t mean to beat the egg motif.

      2. I shell not lower myself to engage in a pun thread.

        1. Dammit, I should have refreshed first, now I’ve got egg on my face.

          1. Eggsactly!

          2. Don’t beat yourself over it.

        2. “The vast unfathomable sea Is but a Notion-unto me.”

    5. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
      Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
      All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
      Couldn’t put Humpty together again due to
      CDC and FDA regulations.

  5. Japan seemed to be defying the odds on COVID-19. That streak might be coming to an end.

    Now’s not the time to stop being culturally antisocial, Japan!

    1. All the KungFlu patients in Japan committing Seppuku would solve a bunch of problems.

  6. Reminder: The Washington Post Has Been Publishing Literal Chinese Propaganda For Years

    Even better, if you subscribe to the Washington Post, you can get communist propaganda delivered straight to your doorstep for a fee. A few times a year, the Post comes wrapped in a special advertising supplement called China Watch that, again, does its best to approximate a legitimate newspaper. But underneath the masthead in fine print, it reads: “This supplement, prepared by China Daily, People�s Republic of China, did not involve the news or editorial departments of the Washington Post.”

    The Economist is running Chinese propaganda from an outlet that is violating U.S. law to spread the message that Chinese president Xi Jinping has done a masterful job handling the coronavirus pandemic.

    The propaganda advertorials, which are ads designed to look like news stories, come from the Beijing Review, an entity backed by the Chinese Communist Party. The outlet has never registered with the Department of Justice as required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) and does not include a legally required disclaimer that the ad is being pushed by a foreign nation.

    1. But Russian trolls on Facebook!

      1. I should be used to their hypocrisy by now, but it still staggers me.

        Someone told me that you can always tell what the DNC is up to, by what they accuse their political opponents of doing. They can’t imagine that others aren’t doing the same thing. Since they’ve been taking money (bribes) from the CCP, Gulf State emirs and Russia for decades, everyone else must be too.

        1. Democrats are famous for that tactic.

          If people are looking at political enemies, the Democrats can do the illegal shit they were already doing.

          Another great tactic is saying that there is only a bad apple if a Democrat gets caught. The whole Party of slavery is corrupt. From the bottom up. Their biggest theft is taking from taxpayers to line their pockets and have gotten away with since the Democrat Party lost the Civil War.

  7. Coronavirus cases hit 2 largest US cities differently

    As I said before, Civil War 2.0 would be over in under 30 days. Lefties living in urban areas are freaking out over a cough due to cold and running out of food.

      1. Limousine Liberals gotta limo.

      2. And Florida. Thanks, Cuomo and DeBlasio.

        Florida Governor DeSantis went to Trump to ask him to shut down travel from New York because of this.

        No data to support this, but I opined that you’d see cases in Florida explode this week because of travel from New York. Over the weekend the airlines were so packed with New Yorkers fleeing the “shelter in place” orders that DeSantis called Trump again.

        And now look at the numbers.

        So thanks, New York! We appreciate it!

        and you are right, CNN… Cuomo is totally the best.

        1. Lefties in NY votes these Lefties in, who give Lefty orders, and demand that everyone follow these unconstitutional orders.

          Then the Lefties try to flee their disaster in the making.

          Just straight worse kinds of humans.

        2. I’m in Nassau county.
          Got an emergency alert this morning, marked urgent.
          All it had was a phone number, which predictably yielded a busy signal. No more info than that.
          About an hour later they sent out another alert: the previous was just a test.
          Great! What a foolproof system

          1. NUKE ATTACK!!!!!

            1 hour later… “that was just a test”.

      3. Look at the coronavirus maps on Weather Underground. If you’re going to the Hamptons to escape, you’re an idiot.

    1. Funny how all these worldly urbanites that love to shit on the hicks in the sticks suddenly see these places as a haven to escape corona-chan.

  8. The internet is sluggish in some regions yet unreason still tries to use popup videos as advertising.

    Selfish fuckers hogging all the pipes and tubes.

      1. I like clicking the unreason ads to show advertisers how commenters dont pay attention to ads.

        I like showing advertisers how they should not give unreason any more money because it has no effect.

        I like unreason staffers to know that I wont give them money because they’re hacks.

          1. covfefe.

            1. you


              1. There’s that emotion again. So it was projection.

                1. *facepalm*

                2. I put a link up for sarcasmic today.

                  It’s about how alcoholics will have it tougher during the self-quarantine. Drinking themselves to death.

                  He spent all of yesterday trying to get me to discuss topics with his sock troll. It is sad at this point.

                  1. Drinking”

                    Like everything else for sarcasmic, alcohol is used as a suppository.

                    1. I heard about that. People doing sherry enemas. Not sure if it’s fact or urban legend. I won’t even cook with that shit, let alone stick it up my ass. Spoiled fortified wine. Gross.

                    1. covfefe.

              2. Sarcasmic’s daily affirmation.
                If he were honest he’d say it to the mirror.

        1. I like clicking the unreason ads to show advertisers how commenters dont pay attention to ads.

          Ummmm… something tells me you’re doing it wrong.

          1. That’s why advertisers are cutting budgets to unreason and unreason tried to use the moving target “X”?

            HAHA. I’m doing it just right.

            Learn to code bitches!

            1. Keep clicking those ads. That’ll show’em you aren’t paying attention!

              1. Poor Leo doesn’t know how advertising works.

                Which is better, letting a video run or clicking it to make it disappear? Not reading unreason at all! HAHA.

                1. I like clicking the unreason ads to show advertisers how commenters dont pay attention to ads.

                  Maybe you should be more precise in your language. You said “clicking the unreason ads”, not clicking the X.

                  Even you could probably see how “clicking the unreason ads” would be counterproductive in reducing ad revenue… right?

                  Or at least say something like “I misstyped that” instead of doubling down on your normal condescension in the face of people making fun of your ignorance.

                  1. Has LC1789 finally declined to have the last word on a topic?

                  2. WHO would ever watch these ads?

                    The ads also have an “x” and I specifically spoke about closing the ads.

                    But sure, I throw you a bone and say that I WILL have the last word on the topic. Don’t mind if I do.

      2. Thank you amigo

      3. Brave browser. As was recommended to me by someone in the comments here. Might have been sarc or Cyto, I forget. Anyway, it works great. Quite customizable. The videos show up for me too, but they don’t auto start, and usually go away with two taps on the upper right.

        1. Brave is Ken’s boo

        2. This comments section is hard to read on my windows netbook. After posting it scrolls several times before calming down. It takes a good minute on longer threads.

          Opera didn’t help that much, neither did firefox.

          So I put Ubuntu on a thumb drive. Works like a champ. Firefox and Chrome are both much snappier. Netflix and Hulu are also much better.

          I failed to try out Brave… But since I still have windows, I’ll give ‘er a shot.

          1. Brave works with ubuntu, even better.

    1. sometimes it’s Kate Hudson in workout gear, so…

  9. he Environmental Protection Agency is relaxing some rules in the face of COVID-19.

    [Rubbing hands together greedily] Finally, the days are numbered for that damp spot in my yard!

  10. Lockdown or lock-in? Fears of alcoholism, addiction in confinement

    Poor alcoholic unreason sock trolls. Going off the wagon. Or ON the wagon?

  11. Crafting a giant bill in secret with no debate.


    1. Dropping 2 trillion and they guy is complaining about 200k.

      1. “$200K here, $200K there, $200K under this, $200K outside, …. After 10^7 minutes, you’re talking real money.”

  12. #Graystillplays #thesims4 #simulation
    forcing 100 people to live in total isolation

  13. #graystillplays #indie #simulation
    30,000 People Attempted to Stop a Roller Coaster – Planet Coaster

  14. The House of Representatives is poised to vote on the $2 billion COVID-19 relief bill

    Aren’t you off by like 10^3?

    1. Billion? Trillion? Only racist math geeks worry about keeping those straight.

      1. I plead no contest.

        1. 2E12 sounds more palatable.

          1. That’s funny.

            1. There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.

              1. Hexadecimally speaking, FFFFFFFFFF isn’t too far off from our bailout package…

                FFFFFFFFFF also captures my reaction to seeing the numbers.

                1. I’ll be here until Easter. Tip your UberEats delivery person.

                2. Just drop the mic already. You got me totally beat.

              2. There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, those who don’t, and those who weren’t expecting a ternary joke.

                1. Ternary. Look at the real nerd over here.

          2. Unless, of course, you’re a scientific (notation) denier.

            1. I almost spit coffee on my keyboard! Good one!

            2. So who believes in Creationist economics?

      2. They are just getting us ready so they can convince us their measures saved 2 million lives when only 20-30k die (normal flu season).

        1. This is going to be the worst part. Hopefully we can point to other countries that didn’t shotgun their economy in the face and still didn’t suffer the end times.

          1. We need an antibody test to get real numbers. That is our only hope.

            1. I’ve been yelling this for like two weeks, and slowly my FB friends are starting to come around. Sure seems like government is (still) only interested in collecting the scary data, though.

              Like…we gotta ‘flatten the curve’ to make sure our hospitals aren’t overloaded, but they are showing NO INTEREST in actually figuring out where we are on the curve.

        2. This virus has a much higher death rate than the flu, anti-science moron. It’s not like the flu. Tons of prominent people have already died from it.

        3. Plus you can get a vaccine for the flu, unlike COVID-19.

    2. *COVID-19,000*

      Sounds like a new sports car.

      1. It’s a killer ride.

        1. I hear the suspension sucks.

          1. Is it turbocharged or naturally respirated?

            1. Needs new headers. The engine doesn’t breathe very well.

        2. Not recommended for drivers over 60.

        3. I’ve seen it. It takes my breath away.

          1. Who’s gonna cough up the dough for one?

            1. Don’t let it bug you.

          2. The transmission is really amazing.

      2. Didn’t they drive that in Robocop?

        1. Didn’t that movie go viral?

      3. I’m getting sweaty, short of breath, and my heart is racing just thinking about it.

  15. Vladimir Putin Gives Russia One-Week Paid Vacation, Orders Military to Prepare to Stop Coronavirus Outbreak

    Cazr Putin probably needs to recall those Russian military units from Italy soon.

    Newsweek even has a Trump video in an online article about Putin. Hilarious!

  16. Germany does not have a public health laboratory that would restrict other labs from doing the tests.

    So how can their papers be in order?

  17. “New coronavirus cases expand around U.S.”

    Pardon me, but so what? Unless we also track the expansion of testing (and normalize for the bias of testing those with symptoms), the number of cases detected does not mean much.

    1. ALL OF THIS!

  18. Coronavirus Florida cases up 475%; 6 deaths; 6 new Volusia cases, 2 new Flagler cases

    So what? The KungFlu is less dangerous than the seasonal Flu/Cold.

    The media is definitely pissed that the hysteria is not working out like they hoped.

    1. Wuhan Flu ain’t nothin’ to fuck with!

      1. Our response to this has to have a Method, Man.

  19. “Massie, and That Pesky Constitution, Hold Up COVID-19 Bailout Bill”

    Terrific! Take it out behind the barn and kill it with a pitchfork. Government bumbling got us into this mess, and more of the same is not likely to help us out.

    1. Couldn’t agree more!

    2. You are remarkably consistent.

      1. A ringing endorsement from a proven practitioner.

    3. Trump, predictably, has resorted to calling Massie names when all he’s doing is saying the Constitution is more important than a single bill no matter how dire the circumstances.

      Remember yesterday when Ken Schultz told us how Presidential he is being?

      Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @RepThomasMassie
      , a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against the new Save Our Workers Bill in Congress. He just wants the publicity. He can’t stop it, only delay, which is both dangerous……
      …& costly. Workers & small businesses need money now in order to survive. Virus wasn’t their fault. It is “HELL” dealing with the Dems, had to give up some stupid things in order to get the “big picture” done. 90% GREAT! WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!

  20. Evidently in California, tests are mainly given to ICU patients on respirators. People with COVID or Flu like symptoms are told to stay home and self-quarantine. This seems to indicate that a bunch of Americans already had KungFlu and recovered without ever being tested.

    There are still hundreds of Americans dying every month from the Flu and Cold.

    1. Yes.

      It’s also an underhanded way to inflate the bad numbers.

  21. “As the U.S. surpasses Italy and China to have the most confirmed cases of COVID-19, ”

    So reason is just pushing chinese propaganda at this point? There are multiple reports than china simply stopped testing.

    These writers really are auditioning for the NYT.

    1. China stopped testing and while all Chinese were in lockdown, all the minor cases of KungFlu recovered at home. Never to be counted.

      China definitely has more than 81,000 cases of KungFlu either active or recovered.

      1. or dead.

        1. Some reports in Wuhan say it is still spreading, just the highest risk death group has died off already, so they are dealing with the minor cases.

          1. China is ending all entry into China as of Saturday. Supposedly to prevent travelers from spreading new cases of KungFlu.

            China already lied that they only had 81,000 cases. Satellites will expose the new hospitals and death pits in China soon.

          2. My theory is once they determined they could save the young people, they just let it run through the country. The state will be more glorious thanks to the sacrifice of the elders!

            1. Except the older leaders, I presume.

              1. Of course. They were sealed inside 3 months ago.

    2. I mean they did publish an article about how suspect China’s reporting and numbers were. That said I suspect China’s real cases and numbers were much higher.

      1. And yet they push chinas published numbers here since every other global media did yesterday.

      2. By definition, MSM hacks are spreading Chinese Propaganda.

        Based on American experience with KungFlu, there are tens of thousands of untested positives that recovered without medical attention.

        China had the same thing.

        This would take the total number sick to millions and that would drop the death rate to a minuscule amount. That would halt the hysteria Narrative in a heartbeat.

        1. we can’t halt the hysteria narrative because the news has never had it better plus look at what the government gets to do now SPEND

          1. Getting rid of Trump would be the Trifecta for them.

  22. “Here’s what Nancy Pelosi wants in Congress’ next big coronavirus bill”

    Somebody let that hag get her hand in the cookie jar and now she thinks she owns it.

    1. Please send her a case of Corona.

  23. “We need every doctor and researcher we can get right now,” writes Shikha Dalmia. “It’s time to cut H-B1 Visa red tape.”

    Because there’s plenty of excess capacity worldwide in those fields now.

  24. People who are complaining about the president wanting the economy to come back sooner rather than later are out of their fucking minds.

    If the people pushing lock downs now are the same people who were condemning the president for the European travel ban two weeks ago, then they’re (Out of Their Fucking Minds)^2.

    There’s this thing called TDS. We don’t need the FDA to loosen restrictions so we can make a test for it widely available. Those who condemn the president for hoping that millions of Americans don’t lose their jobs unnecessarily have already tested positive.

    Rooting against the economy coming back sooner rather than later is like sitting around hoping for a mass shooting so you can push for a ban on “assault weapons”.

    It’s more disgusting than pathetic.

    1. The people complaining want to nuke our economy, so of course they are complaining. Their plans are falling apart.

      More and more Americans are taking this cough due to cold like its the hysteria that it is.

      American medical staff are told to wear M95 type masks and gloves with no other PPE required. China had their officials wearing PPE consisting of suits, gloves, masks, visors, etc.

      1. The people complaining want to nuke our economy, so of course they are complaining.
        No evidence of that. None.

        It’s purely a moral issue. The people that are complaining are unable to do the moral calculus of the trade-offs between more people dying vs. more people loosing wealth/being in poverty/possibly dying. It’s rooted in their whole emotive philosophy.

        So it’s dumb. I can’t relate to it. But it’s not this conspiracy/nuke the economy horseshit you’re peddling.

        1. It is reasonable to suspect that journalists who have hyped every hint of bad news over the past three and a half years as a reason to remove President Trump from office are also hoping that the economy tanking in the aftermath of the coronavirus will mean that President Trump won’t be reelected. You can see it in wearingit’s comment below. They think Trump not wanting millions of people to lose their jobs is “selfish”. This isn’t a theory. This is the way these people think for real.

          1. Journalists don’t want the economy to tank. They don’t want to lose their jobs. They will certainly spin it to put all the blame on Trump. But that’s not because they want it. They’re simply leveraging the opportunity.

            And the “selfish” argument is rooted in their collective philosophy. It’s not specific to Trump. Anyone who isn’t willing to “sacrifice” in order to “save just one life” is selfish.

            Again, it’s a failed moral calculus in that it doesn’t have a good sense of cost/benefit and it lacks a bigger picture perspective of the real costs of another global Great Depression.

            1. Yes they do want it to tank. They cannot have the Socialist/Anarchist revolution without America in flames. All their other plans have failed.

              This opportunity came up and the treacherous MSM decided to give Plan J a try.

              1. Plus, anyone who knows about history knows that Socialist revolutions try to rally around financial chaos.

            2. “Journalists don’t want the economy to tank. They don’t want to lose their jobs. They will certainly spin it to put all the blame on Trump. But that’s not because they want it. They’re simply leveraging the opportunity.”

              Watch them going forward.

              1. The MSM is doubling down even as Americans are blowing off government quarantine rules.

                The treacherous media tastes blood in the water. They are trying to escalate to a feeding frenzy.

                That and the Boomers are scared shitless that this disease will take them out “prematurely”. So we must all suffer to protect them.

                1. And the point shouldn’t be lost that sooner or later, the lock down orders will start to break down. People will stop complying with the orders out of economic necessity eventually. The idea that the government can keep people from opening their businesses indefinitely is absurd.

                  1. I do some work for Lyft collecting fare data from around the country, and work has been DEAD for like 3 weeks. Yesterday saw a pretty large uptick in ridership, and today is ALMOST like a normal Friday. People are, from what I can see, getting on with their lives.

                    Kudos to whoever called the end being this weekend. It looks like people aren’t waiting any longer.

                    1. That’s an awesome data point. Thank you.

                    2. I also recommended people look at Google maps with traffic feature on.

                      Lots of cars on the roads for a mandatory lockdown.

                    3. I said that I thought this would be the weekend that more and more Americas said fuck the lockdown.

                      Government initially said two weeks and that is what many Americans were willing to sacrifice.

                      The media hysteria is wearing off. Lefties see it too. unreason even stepped up their doom and TDS articles.

        2. True enough, but there is also a willful ignorance dimension for most people. In the US we tolerate 20,000 to 50,000 influenza deaths every year without a second thought for most of us. Some of us might get flu shots, and maybe wash our hands a few times after getting a lecture, but on the micro and macro level we go on with business as usual. In a strict sense, people have made a moral decision, but perhaps do not want to think about it.

          1. Sure, but that’s a straw man argument. It’s not really about the number of deaths. It’s about the number of deaths in a compressed window that could lead to immensely more deaths due to a failure of the health care system to keep up with the demand.

            If the worst case predictions were 100,000 people, I don’t think we’d be in this crazy “let’s shatter the economy” mindset. But the worst case predictions were in the 1-3 million range.

            Now, those predictions were faulty for a number of reasons…particularly the inability to factor in self-directed physical distancing and a hyper-sterilization mindset. But once they got out there it’s been very very hard to get people to accept that they weren’t all that real. Because, you see, they were from “experts” and there was “consensus”.

            1. The word consensus should be removed from the language. Never has a word been used for more nefarious purposes.

    2. I think people would be more willing to listen to him if he wasn’t doing it for his own selfish reasons and without any evidence that that’s the prudent move.

      That’s what happens when you shoot from the hip all the time- people tend not to trust your “expertise.”

      1. “I think people would be more willing to listen to him if he wasn’t doing it for his own selfish reasons and without any evidence that that’s the prudent move.”

        Nobody here cares what ‘people’ like you whine about.

        1. Lefties are so funny that they think we listen to them or want their crappy advice.

          Elections have consequences bitches! TRUMP! Trump!

      2. “I think people would be more willing to listen to him if he wasn’t doing it for his own selfish reasons and without any evidence that that’s the prudent move.”

        So wearingit, you can read Trump’s mind? You know what his motivations are, and you know what evidence he is looking at? I swear, you are worse than my fucking 8 year old. She to will refrain from doing what she wants when she is mad at me, just because she knows it is also what I want.

        Trump is releasing detailed breakdowns county by county (You know, evidence) showing which counties are at lower risk, and therefore able to make adjustments to state-level bans. This is, by the way, precisely how China eased off of its mass quarantines.

      3. “I think people would be more willing to listen to him if he wasn’t doing it for his own selfish reasons and without any evidence that that’s the prudent move.”

        Suggesting that the President should be condemned for trying to get elected because of the economy, is like condemning water for being wet. “Because of the economy” is one of two good reasons to vote for one candidate rather than another.

        Meanwhile, the idea that worrying about the effects on the economy isn’t “prudent” suggests that you don’t really understand what that word means.


        1: the ability to govern and discipline oneself by the use of reason
        2: sagacity or shrewdness in the management of affairs
        3: skill and good judgment in the use of resources
        4: caution or circumspection as to danger or risk

        Considering the damage done to the economy by lock downs is entirely prudent. Inflicting lock downs without any consideration for how much damage they’re doing to the economy would be imprudent.

    3. I appreciate that Trump is being realistic about how the economy can coexist with a pandemic. Of course we need to keep healthy areas of the country producing, it will only help us long-term should this get even worse.

      It might make sense to keep NYC shut down after Easter, but based on what I’ve seen, why would you force people in say Nebraska to stay home when there’s almost zero risk there? Maybe they’ll be the ones producing the medical equipment we need a month from now?

      1. It makes sense to you to inflict your personal preference for safety from a virus on your fellow Americans in New York City with the coercive power of the state–but why should that matter to the rest of us? If you would rather isolate yourself, you should be free to do so. If other people would rather reopen their businesses regardless of whether you choose to isolate yourself, they should also be free to do so. The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our right to make choices for ourselves–like the choice to isolate or not depending on what we want to do. The legitimate purpose of government is not to inflict your qualitative preferences on other Americans using the coercive power of the state. What are you, the new Moral Majority?

        1. I’ve never been in favor of the government orders to stay at home. Inasmuch as we have a CDC (I wonder why this needs to be a government function, but let’s set that aside for now), I think the proper role of government in this case is to provide people with the information on risks so that they can make their own informed decisions.

          Many of the shutdowns in businesses have been self-induced by the companies. I’m all for that if they think it’s the right thing to do. In fact, government orders came after private actions in most cases.

          You probably misunderstood my comment as endorsing a government-imposed NYC shutdown. I was really trying to focus on why government forcing areas that aren’t affected, like much of the rural areas especially in the middle of the country, to be shut down makes ZERO sense. While voluntary shuttering of the economy in NYC might make perfectly reasonable sense, someone has to still produce the equipment needed for NYC. Who better than those areas of the country with little-to-no risk to their workers?

          1. “It might make sense to keep NYC shut down after Easter”

            I misunderstood that statement?!

            1. I explained how private decisions have shuttered the economy in many areas of the country, including mine, prior to government mandates. Do you argue that point?

              Nothing in my statement requires government to make that decision to keep NYC shut down. Businesses could make that decision for the well-being of their employees. Government shouldn’t be involved in shuttering businesses in the first place, other than to provide information.

              Who are you to tell businesses they must be open if they choose not to be?

            2. I misunderstood it – I thought he said “shot down” and I endorse the idea of NYC being nuked from orbit. For the children.

            3. You might think you caught me in some “gotcha” moment. My reputation here has been described as an anarchist by many of the more conservative commenters. I consider myself more of a minarchist. If you think I’m arguing for more government involvement then you probably don’t know much about my worldview.

              You should probably take my original post agreeing with you and praising Trump for what it was.

              1. I didn’t say anything about a “gotcha”. I’m not a “gotcha” kind of guy. That’s about what’s going on in your head.

                “It might make sense to keep NYC shut down after Easter”

                I did not misunderstand the statement. We’re talking about New York, where the government has made it illegal to open your business without permission.

                You might have written that differently if you didn’t mean it to say what it says, but I did not misread your statement. It says what it says.

                1. If you weren’t after the “gotcha” then you might have accepted my clarification just a mere 25 minutes later. Surely you wouldn’t think I might have changed my mind in 25 short minutes.

                  Regardless, I’ll admit my original post lacked precision. You win the argument. I’m obviously a statist in favor of governments shuttering businesses everywhere. It must be my TDS.

        2. Fuck New York City. The vast majority of the people living there want this coercive, centrally-managed bullshit, let them live with it a while longer.

          Meanwhile, sparsely populated Montana should be able to get their folks back to work. Same with other rural areas of the country where people already practice “social distancing” as a function of everyday life.

          1. I would feel better about “Fuck, NYC” if it weren’t for the fact that Governor Cuomo is going on hard on having the federal tax payers bail them out at the state level.

            Did Cuomo announce pension reform?


            He just wants the non-resident of New York to bail the State of New York out. Unfortunately, we can’t ignore them. We need to respond.

            And the response shouldn’t just be . . .

            On second thought, yes it should be. The only response should be, “Fuck New York”. If they want to seriously reform their state pensions, they should do that before we hear anything about we should be bailing out the State of New York.

            1. As the feds did with companies, federal money should come with strings attached.

              Congress was too rushed for those caveats.

              Notice Democrat Congressmen staffers came up with all those sweeteners very quickly. it’s almost like they were ready with them.

    4. Worse, they flat out lie.

      He said “I hope it will be better by Easter”.

      They reported “Trump declares virus response will end on Easter!”

      Even Reason… who has absolutely no excuse this morning because it was pointed out in the comments about a hundred times.

    5. Crippling the private economy is not a bug, its a feature (and perhaps the main motivation for some).

      1. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    6. If you want your blood to boil and lose your shit completely go read Peter Suderman’s wifes twitter feed.

      One of her last tweet’s was this:
      Idea that “blue checkmark twitter” preaches shutdown because we get the benefit without the consequences is the oddest talking point from virus skeptics. I’ve been working from home for nearly two decades and could self-isolate indefinitely. It’s the rest of you I’m worried about

      These people are driving us off a cliff and telling us to tighten our belts are making no sacrifices to their lifestyle and our openly questioning why anyone who is going to become financially ruined due to this gov forced shutdown or laid off isn’t taking it on the chin. there aren’t descriptors in the english language vile enough to describe how malignant and malevolent our chattering class is.

      1. You wonder how people like Che Guevara went from the nice kid in The Motorcycle Diaries to supervising the firing squads that marched political prisoners up against a wall to be shot, and I think it more or less mimics what you see there.

        When your hatred of average people becomes so intense that you expect them to gladly sacrifice their livelihoods for your cause, you are 99% of the way to becoming an authoritarian communist. The last 1% is just the strength of your convictions.

        1. And the Stanford Prison Experiment shows what happens when you give even the average person complete control over a disfavored class.

          1. “Debunking the Stanford Prison Experiment.”
            “The Stanford Prison Experiment (SPE) is one of psychology’s most famous studies. It has been criticized on many grounds, and yet a majority of textbook authors have ignored these criticisms in their discussions of the SPE, thereby misleading both students and the general public about the study’s questionable scientific validity…”

            There’s plenty more; it’s bullshit.

      2. The Commies live among us folks.

      3. One of my FB friends was gung-ho for every single restriction that WA state imposed. Constantly yapping about the importance of staying home. A couple days ago WA decided that construction wasn’t essential and must be halted, so her husband got fired. Predictably, all of sudden the rules were total bullshit passed by idiots who didn’t know anything.

        1. Of course. The vast, VAST majority of people screeching for these measures are white, upper-middle class and wealthy people who 1) are the type of status-chasing “look at me, I’m so worldly” folks who went globe-trotting and are at higher risk of getting the coofs, and 2) don’t have to worry about where their next paycheck is coming from.

          My cousin’s been hysterically posting doomer shit about corona-chan on Facebook the past few days. However, he just got his hours cut even though he works from home, his live-in girlfriend basically leeches off of him because she’s not particularly bright or competent enough to hold down a job for long, and her kids’ baby-daddy is even more useless than she is, so it’s not like she’s getting any kind of child support to begin with. I guarantee that once his fear of not being able to pay his bills starts over-riding his fear of getting the coofs, he’s going to start yelling for everyone to get back to work.

          1. Once they start eating crackers with cheese or peanut butter on them, they will be in the lead for demanding their “right to a job”.

            For some reason, some people are not demanding that yet.

    7. Ken’s dropping f-bombs now? You can tell he’s double extra serious.

      You’re right, though. The Democrats would have been handling this very differently if, say, Obama was in charge. They know this crisis is their one and only chance at beating Trump in November and they are jumping on it, damn the consequences. The media is, of course, doing what they do best.

      1. This is the most accurate representation of what’s going on. CNN and MSNBC don’t want the economy to go belly-up, they want Trump to lose. Fox News doesn’t want more people to die, they want Trump to win.

        The truth of the situation probably falls somewhere between CNN and Fox News. If you’re getting all of your information from a single source, then you probably aren’t well informed.

        1. The only way for Trump to lose is the economy to go belly up.

          We past the period where a recession would impact enough voters for Election 2020. Only a devastating and massive event could wreck the economy enough before November 2020.

          Poof! Cough due to Cold HYSTERIA!

      2. and the blue state governors are killing their own economies and sales tax receipts to be seen as “strong leaders” who are “doing something”. They will get credit for doing something all right, costing millions of people their jobs and bankrupting thousands of businesses. And people won’t forget in November when it’s time to vote for governor.

  25. White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Deborah Birx warned the public not to panic when they hear about models and projections of the pandemic’s spread.

    “Models are models,” she said. “When people start talking about 20% of a population getting infected, it’s very scary, but we don’t have data that matches that based on our experience.”

    She said the media should not “make the implication that when they need a hospital bed it’s not going to be there, or a ventilator, it’s not going to be there, we don’t have evidence of that.”

    “It’s our job collectively to assure the American people,” she also said. “There is no model right now — no reality on the ground where we can see that 60% to 70% of Americans are going to get infected in the next eight to 12 weeks. I want to be clear about that.”

    1. The models are WAY off.

      They are only counting positive test and deaths from positive patients.

      There are a bunch of Americans who had the KungFlu and recovered without a test and asymptomatic positives.

    2. “There is no model right now … where we can see that 60% to 70% of Americans are going to get infected in the next eight to 12 weeks.”

      “But we have Neil Ferguson and Paul Ehrlich on the line.”

    3. I check the numbers in Virginia every day. So far, about 7.5% of people tested have COVID. The only people that are being tested are symptomatic, so that actual infection rate is likely much lower.

      1. The actual infection rate is much higher since many Americans have/had KungFlu and were never tested.

        As of last week, 250,000 Americans were tested and at that time only about 20k Americans were positive.

        1. Good point- I was mixing up those test with serology tests.

          1. This is why the hysteria is completely unfounded and the media is fanning the flames.

            The death rate is even lower if you could count all the Americans never tested who have/had KungFlu. The new positives in the USA are simply the testing catching up to Americans who have minor cases of KungFlu and get better at home.

            1. KungFlu…..LMAO. 🙂

      2. Infection = illness.

        “Colonization” is the word you want. No implication of illness there.

    4. This is what is so fucking insane right now. New York Times runs an article saying that we are going to need ONE MILLION VENTILATORS. OMFG!!! Trump is holding us back! Run for the hills! You would be hard pressed to find 1 Million ventilators globally. But because some reporter read a study, and Trump couldn’t magically assure everyone that he could pull more ventilators than has ever been seen out of his ass, we are in freakout mode.

      IN REALITY, though: The study that said we would need 1 Million ventilators *didn’t say that*. It said that POSSIBLY 1 Million people would need ventilators. Spread out over the length of the epidemic. It also said that the real limiting factor is that the US could probably only OPERATE around 80,000 just based on trained staff. And, by the way, Brix said last night that they had confirmed with the State of New York, that they still have over 1000 unused ventilators.

      So everyone is freaking out. Doctors are writing sob story tear jerkers to Donald Trump. All because of a shortage that literally DOES NOT EXIST right now.

      1. The MSM is trying to spread hysteria.

        It pisses me off because they are arresting Americans who joke about being KungFlu positive or coughing on purpose but the treacherous MSM gets away with inciting panic.

        1. Freaking out is the media mission.

        2. Hardly limited to MSM unless you consider Reason mainstream. I mean all they pretty much do is echo the conventional wisdom and occasionally throw out a limp-wristed dogmatic point, but they still do and always will have a seat at the kiddie table.

          1. unreason ain’t mainstream but they are Propagandists.

      2. Cuomo was yelling that he needed 30,000 ventilators. Even he didn’t call for a million.

    5. Birx is obviously a science denier when 97% of all scientists agree the models are 100% accurate.

  26. As U.S. state and local officials halt the economy and quarantine their communities over the Wuhan virus crisis, one would hope our leaders were making such major decisions based on well-sourced data and statistical analysis. That is not the case.

    A scan of statements made by media, state governors, local leaders, county judges, and more show many relying on the same source, an online mapping tool called COVID Act Now. The website says it is “built to enable political leaders to quickly make decisions in their Coronavirus response informed by best available data and modeling.”

    In New York, Covid Act Now claimed nearly 5,400 New Yorkers would’ve been hospitalized by March 19. The actual number of hospitalizations is around 750. The site also claimed nearly 13,000 New York hospitalizations by March 23. The actual number was around 2,500.

    1. “In New York, Covid Act Now claimed nearly 5,400 New Yorkers would’ve been hospitalized by March 19. The actual number of hospitalizations is around 750. The site also claimed nearly 13,000 New York hospitalizations by March 23. The actual number was around 2,500.”

      Notice how much the press is talking about 1) Total cases (not total active cases) and 2) These wild models stating that we are going to run out of hospital space.

      I do this type of process work ALL DAY LONG. You need to measure what is important. And in this case, it is Hospital capacity. How many beds are occupied? What is the rate of consumption? What is the turnover?

      When you do that, you see that New York- the HOT SPOT- is not overrun by hospitalizations. They have enough ICUs. They have enough Ventilators. But no one talks about that.

      1. Because that doesn’t spell “Orange Man Bad.”

        Goddammit, how can our sinecures ever be secure with him in office!

    2. That might explain the complete bullshit that Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins was peddling. I wondered where he got those ridiculous charts and PowerPoint slides from.

      1. I think it was Gore who pointed out a couple days ago that all these shutdowns are based off of Covid Act Now maps, which are themselves all based on worst-case-scenario doomer models.

    3. In California they had 200 cases at one point, because they had only used their 200 test kits on people in the ICU who had been to Wuhan recently. Then they got 20,000 test kits to use and saw 2,000 people test positive. They extrapolated from that 10x increase in cases in a few days and said 10 million would die by the 4th of July if they didn’t shut everything down.

  27. promising America will be open for business again by Easter

    Has Trump really done this? People conflate “hope” with “promise” sometimes.

    1. has anyone made an irreverent joke about businesses being resurrected on the third day yet?

      1. No rest for the wicked?

        1. Money don’t grow on trees.

          1. Are you sure about that?

              1. Chinese sock twolls aren’t programmed for cool music.

  28. “I believe that we are just testing much more than in other countries, and we are detecting our outbreak early,” said Christian Drosten, director of the institute of virology at Berlin’s Charité hospital.

    Oh? I was sure it was because of all the immigration

    1. Weren’t they also classifying their deaths as being due to whatever co-morbidity the patient had, instead of being due or related to Covid?


    The list of zeros must begin with the media, as if that’s a shock. If you were expecting anything but garbage from our media, you have not been paying attention for, oh, the last half-century. Like its establishment masters, the press was freaking out because the Democrat candidates were a collection of mutants and nothing they threw at Donald Trump could stop him, not emoluments, not taxes, not chicks, not Russia, not Ukraine, not Upper Volta, nothing. And then…the Chinese flu. Yeah, that was it! Yeah, that would totally get Trump! Yeah, instead of dealing with the bogus impeachment, Trump should have been rebooting Contagion, though when he cut Bat-Soupland off from direct air travel the smart set called him “racist.”

    1. +10000

      We have been discussing how biased and big the liars are that work in MSM, especially as the TDS came out after Election 2016. yet suddenly people want to believe these same MSM liars now?

  30. A quorum requires 218 members, not 216. (A majority of 435.)

    1. Hsst. You’ll ruin Massie’s plan.

    2. They’re probably adjusting for vacancies.

    3. Maybe in the Party establishment, independents don’t count.

      1. Section Five states that a majority of each House constitutes a quorum to do business;

  31. My idea:

    Make it so only those who have already tested positive are allowed to vote. If there aren’t enough, well that should be easy enough to fix.
    Ta-da! No one has to worry about infecting anyone/being infected during the vote.

    1. Only New Yorkers voting?

  32. One of the reasons the bill is so bad is because there wasn’t a lot of public debate.

    Isn’t that the fault of the 96 senators who unanimously approved it?

    1. It’s going to be an interesting election.

      1. Assuming it isn’t canceled.

        1. Wouldn’t *that* be interesting?

        2. It’ll be mail-in ballot only. I’m predicting Biden is going to win in a landslide with at least an 800 million vote margin of victory. 700 million of the votes will come from some voters all named simply “Bob” in Chicago.

          1. And Bob is dead.

  33. Look at Google maps with traffic function for NY City area. Plenty of cars on the roads.

    1. They are doing a fantastic job of slowing the spread of the virus.

  34. For state-by-state breakdowns of cases, recoveries, and deaths, check out this tracker from Johns Hopkins University.

    Missing link! (Better call Lancelot Link, secret chimp.)

    Anyway, nationwide data from the CDC show the epidemic peaked 2 weeks ago, before all these extreme and in some cases ridiculous, control measures. These had better end by April 1, or state capitols will burn.

      1. Interesting — I was wondering why there were screams about the U.S. being the “leader”. China was at 500,000 cases but now reporting 81,000. Must be active cases only. They’re recovering while we are currently at the spreading stage.

    1. “These had better end by April 1, or state capitols will burn.”
      Wishful thinking. You going to organize and lead one of these riots?

      1. Hard to have a riot with no more than 10 people – – – – – –

        1. Isn’t that a minyan? You could appeal to God to smite any relevant evildoers.

      2. Fortunately I’m far from any state capital, else I’d be ducking out of the way.

      3. Every one of the governors who issued the stay at home orders is going to be the final job loss casualty of those orders. Voters won’t forget.

        1. The politicians issuing these unconstitutional orders should be woodchipped.

  35. The process of extricating ourselves from Afghanistan appears to be moving forward.

    The other day, I mentioned that the U.S. was withholding $1 billion in aid from the government of Afghanistan because they wouldn’t form a unity government–to name a negotiating team for peace talks with the Taliban, especially. After that, the nominal President of Afghanistan has now named a negotiating team for talks with the Taliban, and those talks are moving forward.

    The agreement the Taliban and the Afghanistan government team are negotiating is over prisoner exchange. It appears that the Afghanistan government is releasing 1,500 captured Taliban fighters it’s holding as a gesture of good will, with the other 3,500 Taliban prisoners’ release being subject to the outcome of the talks. If the Afghan government feels sufficiently justified in releasing 1,500 captured Taliban fighters, they may be likely to come to an agreement on other things. They’re giving up a lot of their leverage with that.

    Another potential silver lining is that Afghan refugees who have been camped in Iran for years are voting with their feet and going back to Afghanistan. They may be fleeing (and spreading) the coronavirus, but not so long ago, being in Afghanistan was thought to be more dangerous than the diseases that typically break out in refugee camps everywhere–which is presumably why they fled Afghanistan for refugee camps in Iran. If these refugees now consider being in Afghanistan safer than being subjected to the coronavirus, then you’re looking at a silver lining.

    Here’s to hoping the U.S. is out of Afghanistan completely in 14 months.

    1. Why doesn’t Trump care about those poor Afghan children?


    2. They may be fleeing (and spreading) the coronavirus, but not so long ago, being in Afghanistan was thought to be more dangerous than the diseases that typically break out in refugee camps everywhere–which is presumably why they fled Afghanistan for refugee camps in Iran.

      “Trump acts to prevent the spread of coronavirus in Afghanistan: irresponsibly leaves difficult decisions to local leaders.” – Reason “We do so know how to spell liberartian!” Magazine

  36. Just ONCE I’d like to see a state-by-state case breakdown next to the state-by-state testing numbers. Everybody down in AZ is now freaking out because last week they started testing and (surprise!) now they have a shitload more positive cases!

    1. It’s almost like when you start testing more people, the chances for more cases to pop up increases! Who could have seen that coming?

      Anyway, until we have some kind of an antibody test, we won’t really have an idea of how much this has actually spread. Swine flu (H1N1) killed a bunch of people when it first came out, now it’s one of the flu bugs in the annual rotation. Corona-chan is going to weaken too, as more people build antibodies for it.

  37. the Trump administration is still dragging its feet on ventilators”

    how the f is questioning number of ventilators required dragging your feet plus they are still being made and delivered

    Also So what if there are more cases of China virus in the U.S. we have a bigger population meanwhile those countries listed still have a higher death rate.

    the TDS here is way off the chart here

  38. “If you intend to delay passage of the #coronavirus relief bill tomorrow morning, please advise your 428 colleagues RIGHT NOW so we can book flights and expend ~$200,000 in taxpayer money to counter your principled but terribly misguided stunt,” tweeted Rep. Dean Phillips (D–Minn.).

    $200,000 compared to the trillions in unrelated expenditures that the Dems wanted to add to the bill.

  39. the media is going to push us into a great depression this thing is going to kill under 25k country wide and they are going to cheer that if it wasn’t for them we’d have lost millions in this country. I’m not joking this is the most pissed off I’ve ever been in my entire life. I’m not going to be happy telling them I told them so in the bread lines either.

    1. Bread lines? You ought to be working for the media.

      1. We go a month and half like this it’s not hysteria.

        1. It would take a lot longer than a month and a half for it to get to that point. But two months of this IS going to lead to a lot of pain that will take months, if not years, to recover from. We need to just accept right now that a lot of small businesses in particular are going to get cleaned out in the next few months, especially if the media decides to play fuck-fuck games on the doomerism through the election.

          Fortunately for Trump, the Dems gave him a cheat code by putting him up against someone who’s degenerating into senility in real time. The DNC fucked up, big time, by propping up a campaign that should have been stone-dead after Nevada.

      2. Like ENB does? That kind of media?

    2. worse, they’ll claim the lockdowns are why only 20 or 30 thousand died, then do them every time there’s some new cold or flu version.

  40. Hey reason workers! If anybody is actually reading these comments, how about you put up a graph each day showing the side by side numbers for COVID19 deaths, regular flu deaths, and traffic deaths?

    Might help put the thing in perspective.

    1. The funny thing is whenever ISIS was the freakout dejour and people were afraid to shop at the mall I called a radio station and said they should instead be worrying about the flu.

      1. Of course I’ve never gotten a flu shot in my life.

    2. US Average daily death toll due to corona virus (since Jan. 19, 2020): 19.4
      US Average daily death toll due to all causes (Jan.-Mar.): ~8,250

      US Total death toll due to corona virus: 1,931
      US Total death toll (since Jan. 19, 2020): ~565,000

      Every year;
      Heart Disease ~600K
      Cancer ~600K
      Accidental Deaths ~160K
      Respiratory Illness ~155K
      Stroke ~150K
      Alzheimers ~120K

      The middle of the road scenarios from models that are now being regarded as debunked still left heart disease and cancer as America’s number 1 and 2 killers.

      Mayor Lightfoot closed down the Lake Shore last night and is going to have people arrested. Apparently, some Americans took to exercising rather than sitting indoors and we can’t have that. Better to let the criminals who may or may not have COVID out of jail to make room for the people who were jogging and biking illegally (and also may or may not have COVID).

    3. People Reporters, some of them even science reporters like Ron Bailey, heard ‘1M dead’ and went with that story (or something close to it) without any more critical thought than what went into CNN’s ‘Bloomberg could’ve given every American $1M.’ collective brain damaging.

      1. He heard it in his self-driving electric car powered by Thorium molten salt reactors eating his impossible burger sandwiched between two filets of AquAdvantage salmon as he drove to the mandatory vaccination center to be injected with Oxitec-modified Aedes Aegypti mosquitos before the entire planet was burned to a crisp by thermageddon.

  41. Politically speaking, the president might be making a brilliant move: Allow other people to make the difficult decisions, then point to the inevitable-either-way economic devastation as something that could have been prevented if only we had gone to work sooner.


    Literally Hitler is playing the part of a Russian puppet to a ‘T’ by letting other people make difficult decisions (that *should* be made on a case-by-case basis)!

    Too bad TDS doesn’t have a CFR of 1-2%.

    1. “Trump didn’t enact martial law nationwide from the Oval Office soon enough.” Reason “What the fuck is liberty?” Magazine

      1. Liberty is knowing that someone in DC is freeing you from running your own life.

        Oh, and abortions and literal infanticide. Personal responsibility is oppression of the highest order.

  42. The constitution hasn’t held up anything since the sixties.

  43. To complete the political theatre, they should have this vote on April Fool’s day.

  44. the Trump administration is still dragging its fee [sic] on ventilators and promising America will be open for business again by Easter (April 12).

    One the one hand we have Reason completely ignoring that it supported the very policies that turned this into a global pandemic, while on the other hand they are posting articles suggesting that we are overreacting to the crisis, and on the gripping hand now Trump ISN’T DOING ENOUGH!!!!!

    The really amazing thing is that they self-credentialed as the “smart kids.”

    Oh, and please point out where Trump “promised” the US will be open by Easter. That has been thoroughly debunked:

    Dr. Anthony Fauci said on CNN last night that Easter was Trump’s “aspirational projection” to “give people some hope.” But Fauci said Trump is “listening to us when we say we really got to reevaluate it, in real time, and any decision we make has to be based on the data.”

    Once again Reason has no compunctions about blatantly lying (while simultaneously pretending they have any moral authority to criticize Trump). Hypocrisy thy name is Reason.

    1. Trump is a not-too-bright sleazeball who I wouldn’t let step a foot into my home. But, fuck “Reason” for forcing me to rebut their deranged TDS bullshit.

      I’m convinced if Trump was “Reason”‘s kind of Republican (i.e., open-borders Chamber of Commerce Republican) they’d twist themselves into pretzels defending his Twitter feed.

  45. “lashing out” on twitter is a ludicrously tragic concept

    >>so we can book flights and expend ~$200,000 in taxpayer money

    this guy saw the $2.2T total he’s voting yes on, yes?

  46. Pelosi called him selfish

    Who here remembers this batshit-crazy mountebank no so long ago solemnly pontificating that No one is above the law?

    Hypocrisy, truly a central pillar of the modern left.

  47. While I understand and agree that a roll call vote is necessary for the bailout bill, I see no reason their should not be provision for remote voting by Congressional Representatives. I in fact think that remote voting would be an excellent way to proceed in the future. Yes, Congress should meet in Washington routinely, maybe once or twice a year, then have the rest of the votes done on virtual meeting. The down side to this is that the lobbyist would not have all their fish in a barrel.

    1. Massie wants to make sure every fucking big spender has their vote cast, so they cannot later say they were against it.

      If congressmen are scared of it, it must be good for America.

      1. well, they skipped the roll call vote. he also wanted to make sure they actually had a quorum, and didn’t spend 2.3 trillion dollars (more than the Clinton era annual budgets) based on a voice vote of a handful of Congressmen.

    2. Emergencies are not good things to base decisions like that upon. There are good reasons they are required to meet in DC. I am not a fan of relaxing that requirement (must meet in DC in session) after this passes.

  48. Coronavirus New Jersey: Lakewood Man Cited For Hosting Wedding At Residence

    Anyone who thinks the government is in the right here, just really lives in the wrong country. This is tyranny. This is what tyranny looks like.

    Part of me just wants it all to come crumbling down and these cops and government officials will end up in the woodchippers.

    1. at least they’re not sending mounted cops to arrest a lone surfer, like they do in Italy

      1. We just dont have tyrant governments like that in Georgia. Yet…

        If we did, there would have been blood spilled to water that Tree of Liberty.

  49. Gee, they want to spend 2.3 trillion dollars, a 50 percent hike in federal spending, and they’re put out that someone wants to make sure it’s actually legal and they actually have a quorum to pass laws? They were going to spend 10,000 dollars for every adult American and didn’t care if it was legal????? What the actual f-ing you know what. And Massie is the bad guy? He seems like the only one actually fit to be considered for President.

  50. the Trump administration is still dragging its fee on ventilators

    “Dragging its feet”? You mean by not sending all the limited quantities of equipment we have to NYC?

    I very hope he’ll keep “dragging his feet” that way for another five years.

  51. Has anyone ruled out this thing being a germ lab designer bug? Three-Body Problem, Chinese sci-fi, uses a disease tailored to kill a person just as the U.S. used smallpox blankets in war against the Comanches.

    1. If it is a designer lab bug then it’s a pretty woeful one. Death rate is too low.

      1. Ah….but look how it ties up support systems, virologist. You might want to rethink that one.

        1. Nobody would have been able to predict the course of such a pandemic, let alone a virus that produced this outcome.

          Good grief, the state of epidemiology is so poor that even given more than a hundred thousand cases and a couple of thousand deaths, epidemiologists can’t even agree on mortality rates.

    2. Has anyone ruled out this thing being a germ lab designer bug?

      Yes. The virus has been sequenced many times and it is of natural origin.

      just as the U.S. used smallpox blankets in war against the Comanches

      Stop spreading lies. Neither the U.S. government nor U.S. troops ever used smallpox for warfare. The British government did not do this either.

      There may have been one instance in which one British soldier inside a fort besieged by natives and with lots of sick people inside attempted this in the mid-18th century as an act of desperation, and it didn’t work.

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