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Coronavirus Death Rates Controversy Heats Up

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Coronavirus update: Cases of COVID-19, or coronavirus, continue to climb in the U.S., and the disease seems to pose a special risk to older adults, especially if they're in poorer health to start. But fears about coronavirus death rates are likely inflated.

The numbers: Over 100 U.S. cases of coronavirus have been confirmed now, including six cases that were fatal. The deaths all occurred in King County, Washington, including four residents at a single nursing home. Overall, 15 states have reported coronavirus cases but only Washington has so far seen fatalities.

Where in the U.S. has coronavirus been diagnosed?: Cases are being treated in Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Washington, and Wisconsin.

Why it's still not time to panic: "Misleading arithmetic," as the Cato Institute's Alan Reynolds puts it:

Assuming the number of people who have reportedly died from COVID-19 is reasonably accurate, then the percentage of infected people who die from the disease (the death rate) must surely have been much lower than the 2–3% estimates commonly reported. That is because the number of infected people is much larger than the number tested and reported.

The triangle graph [here], from a February 10 study from Imperial College London, shows that most people infected by COVID-19 are never counted as being infected. That is because, the Imperial College study explains, "the bottom of the pyramid represents the likely largest population of those infected with either mild, non‐​specific symptoms or who are asymptomatic."

As the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom, explained in his February 28 briefing, "Most people will have mild disease and get better without needing any special care." Several studies have found that about 80% of all the COVID-19 cases have relatively minor symptoms which end without severe illness and therefore remain unreported.

As of yesterday, there were 89,253 confirmed cases worldwide (about 96 percent of them in Asia). Reynolds also points out that there have "been 45,393 known recoveries from COVID-19 (compared to 3,048 cumulative deaths) and, importantly, recoveries have been outnumbering new cases."

To put that in perspective:

the SARS coronavirus killed 774 people out of 8,096 known cases in 2003, which was a death rate of 9.6% before it vanished the next year. Bird flu in 1997 was predicted to be a deadly pandemic, but it killed very few people before it disappeared.

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Today is International Sex Worker Rights Day (ISWRD). And this year, there's actually something to celebrate, suggests sex worker, author, and Reason contributor Maggie McNeill. "In the past two years, the tide of sex worker rights has completely turned," she writes on her blog, The Honest Courtesan. More:

The government's violent suppression of sex workers has, instead of winning more support for bigotry, instead turned a majority of Americans against the prohibitionists for the first time since such polls have been a thing; a few politicians (even at the presidential election level) have begun to recognize that sex workers and or clients are voters, and that among younger voters support for sex worker rights is as normal as support for LGBT rights was among that age cohort a generation ago.  Even "sex trafficking" hysteria has begun to backfire… Sex workers of all business models and socioeconomic levels are organizing and speaking out, and most people who aren't dyed-in-the-wool racists are finally being forced to recognize how much more severely the consequences of criminalization fall upon people of color, trans women, migrants, and other marginalized groups.  Even mainstream feminism, which has been trying to destroy sex workers since the late '80s, is beginning to fragment as more and more chapters of old-guard feminist organizations forsake the pearl-clutching harridans who pretend to speak for everyone with a vagina.

Read the rest here. And check out the #ISWRD hashtag on Twitter for information about sex work criminalization and sex worker rights activism around the world.


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Federal drug warriors get grabby in Ohio. "Federal prosecutors are seeking the forfeiture of more than $356,000 from an Akron man they say made money from trafficking drugs," reports Cleveland.com. They also seized marijuana edibles, a gold Rolex watch, and $67,000 worth of jewelry. But the man, Cory Grandison, "has not been charged with a drug crime."

Grandison did plead guilty to owning a gun and some ammunition, which is prohibited since he has a felony conviction in his past. The gun charge comes with at least two and a half years in federal prison and possibly a bit over three years.


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  1. …the disease seems to pose a special risk to older adults, especially if they’re in poorer health to start.

    Especially those who watch cable news.

    1. Do you have the Diabetties? Testing kits are expensive…

  2. Today is International Sex Worker Rights Day (ISWRD).

    To conclude: Everyone owes Robert Kraft an apology.

    1. What a happy ending!

      1. But why would cases of 10-19 years old be reported and those 9 and under not? I’m not saying that it’s impossible for children younger than ten to die from COVID-19, but out of 90,000 cases, zero?
        If I were a medical researcher, I’d be asking why.

        1. It’s not unheard of.

          Epstein-Barr, the virus that causes mono, is completely asymptomatic in children.

        2. Why is a good question because if you can figure it you may be able to find a strategy to fight the virus.

          Immune responses at the cellular and molecular level change as we age. It is not that children have less response than adults they just differ in the roles of certain types of cells and how they respond to an antigen. Children actually have more of certain types of cells and they distribute differently in the body compared to adults.

    2. All these made up holidays really blow!

    3. Is ENB gonna take this one for the Team?

      1. She’d like to, but they charge her extra

    4. Time for an old-fashioned ho-down.

    5. When is International Sex Buyer Rights Day, and will they have any special offers?

      1. Today is also International Sex Buyer Rights Day, if you can believe that.

        Daily special is: Bend over and I’ll show you the 50 states for $50.

  3. But the man, Cory Grandison, “has not been charged with a drug crime.”

    But his money sure has.

    1. Come on, trials are hard and the state hardly ever makes a profit.

  4. Biden has never been my first choice, but I might need to reconsider that.

    People close to fmr. President Obama say he has been keeping close tabs on the 2020 presidential race and say the signal has been sent in the past 36 hours that he sees Biden as the candidate to back.

    Obama was by far the best President in American history. I trust his judgement. Biden is now officially in my top tier with Elizabeth Warren.

    #IMissObama

  5. Old people are dying from a pandemic. I guess my question is… who was dumb enough to NOT see this coming?

    Please… go on, raise your hands for us.

    1. That might seem obvious, but so far COVID-19 mortality rates look higher for just the elderly, not for both very young and very old like some influenzas. And the Spanish flu caused high death rates among people aged 20-40.

      1. To date, no one under the age of nine has died from COVID19.

        1. “To date, no one under the age of nine has died from COVID19.”

          I’ll buy that it hasn’t been reported.

          The mortality rate of infants is higher than average for a number of reasons, primarily, however, because their immune systems aren’t yet fully developed and they haven’t been infected before. While mother’s milk contains antibodies, the chances of a mother passing on immunity to a novel virus in that way is low.

          Imagining that infants are less susceptible to this virus or less likely to die from it once they get this one rather than other viruses may be like assuming that infants are less vulnerable to some house fires rather than others. It isn’t differences in a novel virus that makes infants more or less susceptible. What makes infants more susceptible than average to viruses is common to all infants.

          1. Right but youre a known liar and censorious coward

          2. Slow down Ken

            Under the age of nine is children not just infants or newborns.

            There have been a few reports that children have been less effected or not so much an at risk group. There is not much data about age stratification yet.

            https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

            It is not yet known yet if children are less affected it suggests that there are strong human immune responses to the pathogen. Those pathways can be learned.

    2. You know how some of these fools like Ron Bailey and Jeff Bezos actually seriously believe that science will eventually help them become virtually immortal?

      Mother nature has a remarkable capacity for coming up with new clever and insidious new ways of mocking delusional sociopaths like those guys before returning them to the dust.

      1. Clearly science ain’t worth shit. That’s why everyone is dead now.

    3. Maybe the Coronavirus can save us from the Boomers and their massive pension liabilities?

  6. God is punishing Tennessee for relaxing their drug laws. Repent sinners, repent!

    -some asshole somewhere.

  7. More bad economic news.

    Reason.com’s benefactor Charles Koch has lost $5.35 billion this year.

    Drumpf literally called the coronavirus a “hoax.” This global plague is completely his fault, and it’s severely impacting the wealth of the richest people on the planet.

    #VoteDemocratToHelpCharlesKoch

  8. It’s Super Tuesday!

    Then it will take its glasses off and just be Tuesday.

    1. Of course it is: Today is International Sex Worker Rights Day (ISWRD).

      1. Librarian fetish?

        1. That would be sex worker rights year since all consensual sex between adults would not be illegal.

          That would be libertarian FETISH.

      2. HAPPY HOOKER DAY everybody!

  9. Instead of every piece of “news” about coronavirus being a reason to panic, I would prefer to know the expected good and bad expectations and then compare outcomes to that. This seems like the expected path for a new strain of virus, not something to panic about. Instead I ignore everything I hear because it’s all retarded fear mongering.

    1. Oh and death rates at this point are a useless statistic until we are sure the total infection count is somewhat close to being accurate.

    2. Don’t be a buzzkill. THE END IS NEAR!

    3. We know that a vaccine has been developed and testing will begin in April.

      We know that whatever the vector of this virus, it appears to be more susceptible to transmission than others–and the likelihood of it spreading so as to become ubiquitous is a legitimate consideration.

      We know that it’s mortality rate appears to be well over 1%, and that if it went through the entire American population, that might mean millions of Americans die.

      We know that everywhere it’s gone, major cities have turned into virtual ghost towns–sometimes before various governments instituted quarantines. That means economic activity drops off.

      I know I ordered a new laptop directly from a manufacturer, and its original ship date was changed from two weeks (at the time I ordered it) to six weeks (at the time I cancelled the order). If we assume that manufacturing throughout the world misses at least one month out of twelve, you’re talking about losses. Manufacturers don’t get paid for what they don’t manufacture, and Apple can’t sell phones it doesn’t have in stock.

      Meanwhile, hotels and airlines are emptying out. Now’s probably a great time to get a good deal on going to Disney World, but who’s planning on taking their kids to Disney World this summer with a bunch of infected kids from all over the world?

      The market is pricing the risk, which doesn’t need to be fully quantified in reality yet. And the risk profile keeps changing. I don’t know that we’ll have the worst case scenario, and no one else knows that we won’t. But the risk needs to priced into the our thinking and the market, and the risk of the worst case scenario is what it is–regardless of whether it should or shouldn’t cause a panic.

      1. The market is pricing the risk,

        Correction, the market is pricing the perceived risk, which is being shamelessly, even criminally, exaggerated by most media outlets. Good buying opportunity.

        1. The supply chain shut downs are very real. This isn’t business as usual.

          I think there are far too many people equating “panic” with people just being pragmatic. There’re shockwaves that have yet to hit most manufacturing. It’s not ridiculous to pull your investments and wait.

          1. Pull your investments? So you can lock in your losses? That’s stupid.

            1. I was out as soon as the virus spread from China. I don’t have any losses.

        2. Criminally? Which crime is that?

          I’d like to see your math on stock valuation. You seem very sure that stocks are under priced. You have a fully priced in model that shows the impact of reduced travel, reduced consumption, reduced productivity, current and future fed decisions, etc. effects from this pandemic?

          I’d be very interested in this model of yours.

          1. Ken knows everything, dontchaknow?

            1. I’m not the one who said it was criminal.

              That was BigT.

              And I don’t know everything.

              I can’t think of anything I don’t know off the top of my head, but, theoretically, it’s possible that there are things I don’t know.

          2. Inducing a panic can be criminal.

            1. …in China.

        3. “Correction, the market is pricing the perceived risk, which is being shamelessly, even criminally, exaggerated by most media outlets. Good buying opportunity.”

          Well, maybe we should be more specific . . .

          Have you seen the yield curve lately? The reason the the fed and other central banks are cutting the rate is to match what’s happening in the market. Stocks are down this morning on profit taking after the Fed cut rates because those cuts were fully expected, yesterday, because the market driven rates fell so low.

          The German economy grew 0.6% in 2019. If their supply chain is disrupted, it hurts them. If consumers of their products in other countries aren’t buying because of the virus, it hurts them. If the virus spreads to their country, they may well tip into recession. Once recessions start, they can be unpredictable. Does it last for three quarters? Does it last for six quarters?

          Not sure I understand the difference there between a perceived risk and a real one in this context. Risk is the chance of something happening, whether it happens or not, and people’s expectations should change when the chances of something happening changes. Markets are far better predictors of what will happen in the future given what we know now than anything else has ever been. No, the yield curve isn’t destiny. It’s the direction we’re pointed in given what we’re doing now with the facts we have available.

          If you’re making bets about a stock or an index based on the transmission vectors of a virus and its effects on an economy, you’re just as likely to fail on one side of the bet as the other. Here are two areas where your bets are particularly vulnerable:

          1) Epidemiologists don’t have enough data to tell us how bad this be or when it will end.

          What do you know about the strength of this virus or the lengths it will go that they don’t know? Those questions are important in all sorts of areas–especially finance.

          2) As the housing crisis demonstrated, whether the underlying assets are worth many times more than the market is pricing them at the moment isn’t the only question. There’s also the question of whether the companies that hold them can finance themselves waiting around for the market turmoil to pass.

          Go ask Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and Washington Mutual how that worked out. When Bear and Lehman bought those subprime portfolios out of bankruptcy court for pennies on the dollar, it took a year before it finally killed them.

          Yeah, plenty of the homes underlying those assets are now worth more than they were when when banks were holding them or buying them for pennies on the dollar, but that appreciation happened far too late for the companies that were destroyed by them. And that destruction brought other unrelated companies down. Look what happened to Chrysler during the recession.

          Do I know that’s what will happen with this virus? No. But the risk isn’t just perceived. The risk is real.

          1. Right but youre a known liar and censorious blovating cowardly bore.

          2. The risk is perceived because most people are getting their information third hand from sources with an incentive to create panic, to increase viewers. Listen to epidemiologists who are much more measured in their assessments for a view of the real risk. Or look at the stats yourself. Plus, for people younger than 60 the mortality is 0.2%, same as flu. Older people, or those with compromised immune systems should worry. The rest of us, not so much. And given that it’s hard to detect who really has this virus, those rates are very likely much lower.

      2. According to the WSJ today, Foxconn factories are bringing staff back and claim they will be close to 100% by the end of March.

        1. I’m glad to hear that.

          1. No one cares.

            1. Entering John Hinkley territory here.

              Sort of pathetic, really.

        2. Regardless of whether the epidemic has stopped or not. I thought they’d do it in mid-March, to be honest. It fits with how the Chinese have been manipulating their reported case data.

          As to a vaccine, again, I wouldn’t get excited yet. Even if a vaccine is developed—and there hasn’t been one yet, for any human-infectious disease caused by a coronavirus—there’s been some disturbing reports that this bug has some dengue fever-like problems when it comes to repeat infections.

          Specifically, this virus may exhibit, antibody-enhanced infection. (I think that’s the term). When you get well from an infection, or are vaccinated against one, your body makes antibodies to that disease. Normally, those antibodies lock onto viral binding sites, block cell receptors from viruses, and prevent infection. In ABEI, the binding site is blocked, but the act of antibody binding enhances viral binding through another set of cellular receptors. The antibodies to the old infection may increase the rate of viral propagation in a new infection.

          Which is what I understand happens in dengue. Initial course of disease may not be bad. Reinfection may result in dengue hemorrhagic fever, which is as bad as it sounds.

          Covid-19 may operate on a similar model, according to these initial studies

          1. They have a vaccine for this virus, but testing won’t start until April.

            I read elsewhere we should expect the results in August.

            https://www.marketwatch.com/story/inovio-speeds-up-development-of-coronavirus-vaccine-plans-human-trials-in-us-in-april-2020-03-03

            By August, it may have ravaged the U.S. for all we know.

            1. When they say ‘they have a vaccine,’ what—exactly—do they mean? Do they have a weakened or dead virus that is injectable into an animal model, whereupon the animal produces antibodies to the infection and is immune to reinfection attempts? Or some subset of the above?

              The details matter on things like this. They thought they had a vaccine for the original SARS too, until they figured out through lots of animal testing that it did more harm to the test subjects than the disease itself.

              Honestly, up until we get evidence that this works like gangbusters in some animal model, I’m going to assume press releases like, ‘we’ve got a vaccine’ are just signals to the market for more funding/that our stock price needs to be higher.

              1. I don’t have the details. I just know that they have a virus that’s been submitted for approval for testing, and they’re seeking volunteers to test its effectiveness and for side effects.

                I believe Inovio is the same bunch that found an effective and safe vaccine for SARS.

      3. the market is pricing the risk but is it a real risk or just over hyped by the media scaring people from going about their business in an attempt to destroy the economy to change election results. Many business down turns have been started by the media claiming the shit is going to hit the fan and people start conserving. self fullfiling prophecy.

        1. It doesn’t matter what the real risk from the virus is. As you said in your last sentence, people perceive risk, reduce consumption and productivity, and viola, self fulfilling prophecy. Add to that the market was already getting frothy before this hit, and you have a perfect inflection point for a correction.

          Hopefully this passes as the northern hemisphere sees spring, but I got out of most of my equity holdings on Jan 29, and will probably start to gradually buy back in after next earnings (April). On the plus side, my long term bond funds are doing great.

      4. Ken

        The stock market is not the virus and government does not control either one.

        Deal with the infection. Let the medicos handle it. China quarantine likely helped.

        The stock market. Yeah not my first rodeo and I invest, not play.

        Ignore politics. They have nothing to do with either.

        Don’t panic

        “A towel, [The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy] says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can’t see it, it can’t see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.”

        Douglas Adams

    4. Based on the data available so far, coronavirus is one to three orders of magnitude less dangerous than influenza. And that’s even before considering the possibility of a corona-specific vaccine.

      Nevertheless, the CDC’s advice about coronavirus is good – largely because it’s also good advice for avoiding the flu.
      – Wash your hands with soap and running water for as long as it takes to sing happy birthday twice.
      – Don’t touch your face.
      – Sneeze and cough into your elbow instead of into your hand.
      – Stay home if you’re sick.
      – Eat right, stay hydrated, get plenty of rest and exercise regularly to keep your immune system strong.
      – Don’t share needles or do other dumb stuff.

      1. They left out chicken soup.

        Always a good idea.

  10. President Trump is holding a meeting today with Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and William Barr to discuss changes to our surveillance laws ahead of key provisions of the Patriot Act expiring on March 15th.

    “The president has said that his position is we should not reauthorize the Patriot Act without reforms,” said Mr. Paul, who said he would know more about how far Mr. Trump intended to push his position after the Tuesday meeting.

    Mr. Trump has signaled his support for a measure that would prohibit the U.S. government from turning to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to get wiretaps on Americans, and Mr. Paul said last week he is crafting an amendment to a coming intelligence bill that would overhaul the secretive court.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-meet-with-gop-lawmakers-amid-fight-over-curtailing-u-s-spying-powers-11583198062?

    Mike Lee has voted against extending provisions of the Patriot Act in the past.

    Rand Paul is sponsoring legislation that would pull the rug out from under using FISA courts to target American citizens.

    President Trump, himself, has been the victim of abuse by way of FISA courts.

    William Barr is in favor of keeping the surveillance provisions as-is.

    I seriously doubt the purpose of the meeting President Trump is holding today is to tell Mike Lee and Rand Paul why the Patriot Act should be extended as-is. Much more likely, Trump has invited Lee and Paul to tell William Barr how things are going to be.

    1. Much more likely, Trump has invited Lee and Paul to tell William Barr how things are going to be.

      Hopefully that is the case. Good to see Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton (among others) aren’t invited; that would be a bad sign.

      1. If President Trump didn’t want to reform the FISA courts and renew the Patriot Act as-is, he wouldn’t have engaged Mike Lee and Rand Paul at all. He’d just ignore them. Other Republicans wouldn’t fight a renewal in an election year, and they’re unlikely to go against the president in an election year either.

        I think there is good reason to be cautiously optimistic.

        1. +10000

            1. +10000.35

      2. I have a running list of things that I like to cite to my liberal friends about Trump, things I know they support and like.

        If he does this, it will be #1 on the list. I can’t wait to see them blanche at this.

    2. Sure would be nice to have that meeting delayed until after the Durham report comes out and Trump sees just how bad the IC really behaved and how little Barr gives a shit about how they acted.

      1. Walls are closing in on the derp state.

        1. “Nervous man proclaims for the 50th time.”

  11. More people will die from medical errors than the Corona virus this year.

    1. The “common” flu has killed far more than covid

      1. Quiet! Do you want to cause another panic?

      2. Even more die from drug overdoses, malaria, and flu.

  12. Due to the corona virus I will be voting for mcaffe. The only candidate with a history of fighting viruses.

    I know the rest of you clingers will vote trump, but that will literally be the death of everybody!

    1. lol.

    2. Not voting for Dear Leader? Friend, are you feeling well? I’d advise you take 2% off your GDP and call your central banker in the morning.

      1. New commie kid sock? Or just one more TDS ignoramus?

  13. National Museum of American Jewish History files for bankruptcy protection

    Nobody wants to pay to enter this stupid place. Tear it down or sell it off.

    1. Time for some Jewish lightning?

      1. Haha. Nice!

    2. No one wants to see moneychangers???

    3. What’s stupid about it? What about this story interests you?

    4. Ever been on their website? Super far-left bent. Half of the gift shop is RBG memorabilia.

      1. Holy crap! RBG has a whole “collection” of crap nobody wants.

        Thanks for that today. I am impressed that she was pickled just right to last into Trump’s reelection.

  14. Americans continue to vote with their feet towards low-tax states

    Census 2020 is going to tear Democrats a new asshole. Blue states like Commifornia giving House seats to Red states like Georgia. The pursuant to SCOTUS precedent, Red state Legislatures get to gerrymander as they see fit.

    1. Blue hellholes also exporting people to red paradises, turning them more purple.

      As Reagan said, There’s nowhere to go once we lose freedom here.

    2. But the problem is with the political attitudes the refugees from CA and NY bring with them. Maybe in their old states they had concerns about progressive politics (and taxes) but when they land in more conservative areas, the first thing they do is vote for the politicians and policies they left behind.

      1. While mostly true, stat-to-state migration is more complex than that.

        In Georgia, the Blue areas like Atlanta just get boxed in and dont affect state politics overall.

        1. That only works until it becomes so populous that it crowds out the rest of the state (see: Virginia).

          1. While that is sometimes true, well crafted state legislature districts keep control even if their is a Team Blue population majority. Georgia has neither Team Blue majorities.

            That happened to Virginia. Republicans controlled the state Legislature until 2018 even though they had a Democrats Governor, Lt. Governor and Attorney General.

    3. Well, the progs here in Virginia whined for years about gerrymandering by the GOP. Now that they’re in control, they plan to toss the nonpartisan redistricting commission they wanted so badly under the bus.

      1. That’s how Democrats operate.

        It will be funny when Virginia inevitably turns Red again and all the Team Blue gerrymandering will be thrown out.

    4. You support gerrymandering? Even after that dickhead died and his daughter showed documentary proof that GOP had been seeking to reduce the voting power of minorities systematically?

      Very nice man. Very cool and very American.

      What do you even think American values are? Because they evidently are not the same as the ones I was taught.

      1. poor sock troll. unreason has had you busy lately.

        1. What makes you think I’m a sock or a troll? That I don’t slobber on Trump’s orange balls? Solid logic, buddy.

          1. You slobber on Hillary’s balls.

            1. Nice deflection. No, I don’t. It would be very easy for you to find a comment of me being positive toward her, if one existed. But none do.

              So back to the topic you tried to deflect from, what makes you think I’m a sock or a troll?

              1. No, I don’t.

                Boom! Roasted!

                1. You slobber on Hillary’s balls.

  15. It’s Super Tuesday! And you know what that means – if Joe Biden sees his shadow we’ll have six more weeks of stories about how George Washington crossed Delaware in a PT boat with a small dog named Checkers before he was assassinated in a movie theater by Lee Harvey Martin and Joe beat him to death with his own wooden leg.

    1. And who cares about George Washington anyway because have you heard of this guy named Obama?

    2. Not bad.
      C’mon, man!

  16. Super Tuesday Could Show Just How Blue Texas Is Turning

    According to Lefty wet dreams only Team Blue voters are moving to Texas. The fact that Team Blue voters leaving others states turns those state from Blue to purple, never will be admitted.

    The fact that Texas was Blue decades ago and turned Red.

    America is turning conservative as people get older and see the follies of Team Blue.

    1. As people age their brains shrink so maybe you’re right.

      1. Our brains shrink … like the amount we get to keep from our paychecks. We don’t like either one, but at least Soduku (or Python programming) can help with the first.

      2. If slightly smaller brains cause people to make the correct decisions, then slightly smaller brains will lead to a better America without Lefties.

        1. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That’s why you always feel smarter after a few beers.

          Cliff

      3. So what’s your excuse?

        1. His brain was smaller than most at birth.

  17. Barbra Streisand on Why Trump Must Be Defeated in 2020 (Column)

    Segment: What Lefties think.

    The Streisand Streisand effect! Even more voters for Trump in 2020

    1. The dems have a Streisand problem much more than a Bernie problem. If they want to win, they should lock her and the other offensive entertainment bigmouths like Chelsea Handler up until the day after the election

  18. Oscar-Winning Actor Timothy Hutton Raped Me When I Was 14, Says Canadian Ex-Model

    Yup 37 years ago! Thirty Seven years ago! Over THREE DECADES ago.

    1. timothy who? thats the best she ever got most women wouldn’t want to admit to that even if its true

    2. Claiming a rape from 37 years ago should earn you a suit for slander, if nothing else.

      Yes, I agree that suing for defamation will chill people coming forward with claims of sexual assault. These kinds of claims need to be chilled.

    3. I have a friend that claimed they were raped by a certain tiny red headed comedian circa 1998. I was waiting for her to throw a metoo at him, but apparently shes gotten on with her life.

  19. Hillary Clinton to be deposed in lawsuit over emails, judge rules

    HAHA. Hillary is so fucked. Joe Biden is so fucked.

    Chocolate Jesus is not fucked. Always bet on black.

    1. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a president who could testify under oath?

      1. Hillary Clinton was never and will never be President.

        1. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a president who could testify under oath?

          1. He can.

            1. Yet all evidence suggest that he cannot. Including statements from his own lawyers.

              1. No, the evidence suggests a) that he won’t and b) that he can’t be compelled to. The distinction matters.

                1. Pedantism!? Why, I never.

                  a. He won’t because he can’t without committing perjury.
                  b. He should be compelled to and he could be compelled to, he just hasn’t yet, for a number of reasons involving his strategy and D incompetence.
                  c. It should not be acceptable to Americans that their president refuses to speak under oath about the many controversies he has been a part of. No other president has had so many members of his inner circle wind up in prison while he remains silent and shielded. It is a travesty.

                  1. Boom! Roasted!

    1. What was the movie where the Army was called in to defend against a group of vampires or zombies or some kind of monsters and the monsters used a group of child vampires or zombies or whatever as their front line knowing that the Army would be hesitant to shoot little children?

      I’m not saying that the migrants are monsters, but simply pointing out that using children as human shields is an effective tactic. And it’s working – notice they’re referring to “migrants from Turkey” when we know damn well those aren’t Turkish migrants – they’re Syrians with an indeterminate number of jihadists mixed in that Turkey itself is using as a weapon against Greece and Western Europe. Whoever thought allowing those two-faced traitorous fucks into NATO was a good idea needs to be shot. Turkey has always played the West off against Russia and Russia against the West, they’ve always been at best “an enemy of my enemy” and even then an unreliable one. I’d sooner trust a Democrat than a Turk.

      1. the monsters used a group of child vampires or zombies or whatever as their front line knowing that the Army would be hesitant to shoot little children?

        The battle of Hardholm?

        I agree – the Turks are not to be trusted, especially with that balloon head as their President.

      2. By “Democrat” you mean “fellow American”?

          1. C’mon.

          2. Democrats hate American freedoms, liberty, and the constitution.

            1. ok, bud. You know you’re full on brain washed, right?

              1. Exhibit 1: YOU are a Democrat and YOU hate American freedoms, liberty, and the constitution.

                1. I’m not a democrat. See, this is why you seem like you are in an alternate universe. You are getting fundamental facts wrong, then making wrong conclusions from your wrong assumptions.

                2. And I’ve risked my life for the constitution. So try again, bud.

    2. The Greeks have taken in everyone for the PST 10 years and sent them on to UK, Germany, and other wealthier EU countries. Now those countries don’t want them, so Greece sure as hell doesn’t want to be stuck with them.

  20. Two HUGE issues may merging into one: the corona virus and immigration in Europe.

    On the one hand, Erdogan has announced that he is no longer closing off the border to hold some 3 million refugees from Syria within Turkey–as he’s been doing under an agreement reached with the EU. The Greeks are holding off refugees for the moment (in violation of EU immigration law but with the EU’s full support), but that will probably change if and when Assad finishes his assault on the last piece of Syria under rebel control. Estimates suggest another 2 million refugees may materialize in the aftermath of that assault.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/erodgan-s-real-eu-threat-lies-on-the-border-to-syria-not-greece

    It could be well argued that it was the influx of refugees from Syria that made Brexit happen, brought down the government of Angela Merkel, and brought France the rise of Marine Le Pen, relegating France’s centrist Democrats to the ash heap of history, devastating the liberal Italian parties, etc.

    Part of the problem last time was that Merkel and company welcomed the refugees with open arms–over the objections of Europeans everywhere. As the wishes of European voters were ignored on the issue of immigration, European voters became increasingly populist and anti-immigration. European leaders are so worried about the effects on politics that they’re willing to ignore their own laws in order to keep out the refugees. I’m not sure they can regain any kind of credibility on the issue at this point, but they won’t be complicit in the diffusion of millions of refugees throughout Europe this time.

    The other question is about the Coronavirus. Iran has been hit as hard or harder than any country in the world to the point that, despite their official statistics, people in the Iranian leadership are getting sick and dying from the virus. No, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the virus is spreading among the the millions of refugees in refugee camps in Syria and Turkey, that fire is getting awful close to the kindling, and there’s hardly a population more susceptible to infection than refugees in refugee camps.

    IF IF IF and when we see millions of Syrian refugees filtering into Europe and spreading the coronavirus with them, we may see Europe swing harder to the right than they’ve been in a long, long, long, long, time.

    1. Which is astounding, how long Europe has just accepted the trend to the left … as the population ages. I cannot imagine that somehow the rules are different in Europe, and people there get less conservative as they get older.

    2. Right but youre a known liar and censorious blovating cowardly bore.

    1. IMO, the funniest part about it is making fun of her for using her science project as part of her credentials *is* taking the high road.

      The more seriously you take her credentials/assertions, the more you just lend credence to idiocy. Like asking what her purchasing and real estate management experience is and she tells you about the time she negotiated the purchase of some swampland in FL.

      1. Right but youre a known liar and censorious blovating cowardly bore.

    2. Why are you guys so obsessed with a congressional freshman?

      1. cause they’re so fresh…man.

    3. Up next on Bar Rescue…

    1. Central banks, of course, can’t really do anything about the coronavirus. They can only flood the market with cheap money, and the virus doesn’t care about that, one way or the other.

      This looks like the classic “Let’s pee our pants” solution, which may seem like it addresses the immediate issue but really just brings with it a whole new set of problems.

    2. This morning’s news coverage on NBC:

      The Dow made impressive gains yesterday after the worst week in years, but analysts are predicting more uncertainty and losses in the days ahead due to the spread of the deadly coronavirus.

    3. Aaaaand it’s back down again. Try not to let your emotions get involved with your finances.

      1. aaaand its back up.

        Buy buy BUY!

        1. Buy high? It’s not back up, but volatility is very high. Yesterday’s rally had pretty weak volume, compared to the preceding down days, too. Don’t catch that falling knife, homie.

          1. Poor guy. It’s okay that you dont understand the basic points of investing.

            This economy is not done growing, so DOW Jones 26,085.88 @ 1:23pm is still low prices. Trump’s reelection will send the DJIA above 30,000 easily.

            It does depend on the individual stocks and many are ripe for buying.

            1. Oh? Which “basic point of investing” says to market time in reverse, buying a dead cat bounce? And why should anyone take advice from an obvious partisan? You wouldn’t take sports gambling advice from a sports fan, and nor would you take investment advice from a partisan tied to a politician who thinks the stock market is a president’s report card.

  21. At least seven people were killed by a tornado in Nashville last night.

    Damn. A tornado pandemic. More deadly than the coronavirus. panic.

    1. It was all the Democrats secretly praying to get rid of Trump anyway they can but they were hundreds of miles off from Washington DC.

    2. Why wont Trump do anything about the tornadoes?!

  22. Active Coronavirus cases continue to drop.

    H/T to whomever first posted this link.

    1. I don’t know where the coronavirus statistics are headed, and I don’t claim to know. There are two things I see in your link that leave me scratching my head.

      1) It shows a 6% mortality rate.

      That is extremely high. In fact, 6% mortality makes me suspicious that the number of infected is actually much higher–since in places where the virus has hit hardest (China and Iran)–fatalities are harder to hide than the infection rate. Meanwhile, if the infection rate is actually much higher than reported (as the absurdly high mortality rate suggests), that means the transmission rates may be bunk, as well.

      2) Look at the graph showing cases outside of China.

      IF IF IF the infection rate is declining inside China as reported, that may cloud the fact that infections are increasing elsewhere in the world.

      1. “IF IF IF the infection rate is declining inside China as reported, that may cloud the fact that infections are increasing elsewhere in the world.”

        P.S. Don’t mistake a declining rate of return for a decreased rate of transmission.

        1 + 1 = 2

        The infection rate has doubled!

        2 + 1 = 3

        The infection rate has declined by 50%!

        The number of people being added is actually constant in that example.

        1. Are we going to be discussing the Fibonacci sequence in this thread? I was told there wasn’t going to be any math.

      2. That site has a page/graph indicating infection growth rate outside of China, and it is low and decreasing.

        One can speculate about the true rate of infection vs. known rate, the true number of cases worldwide vs. known cases. And maybe there are even substantially more deaths than known that could be attributed to the disease.

        But doesn’t it strike you as curious that, of six U.S. deaths attributed to this global pandemic, four of those– two thirds happened at a single nursing home?

        Known active cases, worldwide, are declining. Many attributed deaths are of people who could easily have been near death already. Meanwhile, we’ve put February behind us and will be in Spring shortly.

        It’s seasonal flu.

        In four months no one will even remember the disease. Over the next six months, the bounce-back in the markets will be fierce.

        1. It’s seasonal flu.

          It ain’t seasonal flu. We know the CFR for flu is .2%. There’s nothing to suggest that Coronavirus has a CFR of .2%.

        2. “But doesn’t it strike you as curious that, of six U.S. deaths attributed to this global pandemic, four of those– two thirds happened at a single nursing home?”

          Hospitals and healthcare workers have been the primary vector for virus outbreaks in the past. It just takes one asymptomatic nurse to spread the disease to her patients, and infants and the elderly are always at greater risk of death from flu viruses. That statistic doesn’t surprise me.

          “Canada learned it the hard way in 2003, as deaths from SARS soared in the province of Ontario. Seventy-seven percent of people infected with SARS there contracted it in the hospital. They were patients, visitors and health-care workers. Another 17% got it at home, often from a health-care worker who lived with them. In short, SARS started as a travel infection but rapidly became a hospital infection because of lax infection-control standards. The same laxity is found in most U.S. hospitals today.

          On March 7, 2003, two undiagnosed men with the SARS virus went to the hospital in two different Canadian cities. In Vancouver, the disease didn’t spread. But in Toronto, one infection was allowed to become a deadly outbreak, which killed 44 people in two months. For most hospitals in Ontario, “infection control was not a high priority,” according to the SARS Commission’s final report, delivered to the government of Ontario in January 2007.”

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-hospitals-arent-ready-for-the-coronavirus-11579975968

          1. Right but youre a known liar and censorious blovating bore.

    2. I believe a lot of that data is culled from China, and almost everyone doesn’t believe China’s numbers.

      I read a report last night that doctors in China are being pressured to record deaths and cases as “something else”, usually related to the co-morbidity factors.

      1. Markets hate uncertainty, and sometimes they uncertainty is real.

        Humanity invented gods to deal with uncertainty. What if it doesn’t rain? What happens to us after we die?

        Belief in gods is apparently easier than dealing with the reality of uncertainty. We won’t know what will happen with this until it either happens or doesn’t.

        The left seems to have latched onto the Green New Deal for similar reasons. They’d rather sacrifice their standard of living than face the reality of uncertainty. “At least we’re doing something about it” sure sounds like people who have a irrational relationship with uncertainty–especially when the “something” they’re doing about it is sacrificing their standard of living without really knowing whether their sacrifice will make any difference at all.

        1. Right but youre a known liar and censorious blovating coward.

  23. Arizona restaurant owners face backlash after attending Trump rally

    Jorge and Betty Rivas own Sammy’s Mexican Grill in Catalina, Arizona, just north of Tucson.

    The couple claims the backlash started after the Facebook group, Grupo de Palfeis, posted a photo of Betty Rivas wearing a Trump cowboy hat, sitting behind the President as he gave his speech on February 19 at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

    Team Blue is in big trouble is naturalized Americans of Hispanic descent are pro-Trump.

    1. I spend the winters in Tucson, and it’s crazy to me how Republican the place is.

  24. Is Reason going to post about the allegation of Uighers being used as slave labor, or are we still pretending that China is all about Free Trade?

    1. Intersectionality scorecard:

      1. Socialists, like in China.
      2. Muslims
      3. An infinite number of other groups
      Last: You

    2. You mean something like : China’s Mass Internment of Uighurs Is a ‘Modern Cultural Genocide.

  25. It begins:

    WSJ: The Republican Case for Elizabeth Warren
    She has independence and integrity and is no socialist. She just wants the market to work for everyone.

    While Ms. Warren’s ambitious plans for an expanded government role in health care and higher education will be met with skepticism by Republicans…

    1. She has independence and integrity and is no socialist.

      how could anyone say this with a straight face. She want to nationalize everything and have government pay for everything. At that point you’re just splitting hairs by saying she is no socialist loll

  26. …more and more chapters of old-guard feminist organizations forsake the pearl-clutching harridans who pretend to speak for everyone with a vagina.

    It’s almost like self-proclaimed leaders shouldn’t necessarily be followed.

  27. After googling it, the internet told me that International Sex Workers Rights Day is on June 2nd.

    1. You got fucked!

  28. I was trying to figure out why the “suggested video” ad was a Spanish-subtitled Greta Thunberg speech but then I realized it must be just a case of “lost in translation”. That’s not what I was looking for when I typed in the search term “Latina big ass”, you stupid monkey!

  29. >> special risk to older adults

    who needs death panels?

  30. Mmm, yeah funny thing about that death rate. It pretends that a person who contracted coronavirus yesterday is the same as someone who got it two weeks ago. Give me the death rate when calculated for everyone who had the disease 4 weeks ago. It will be far more accurate than the current one being touted.

  31. It’s not COVID-19 it’s SARS 2. Why aren’t they calling it that? What are they hiding?

    1. One’s the bug, the other’s the disease caused by the bug.

  32. to put this in perspective, if the death rate is anywhere near 2.3% as has been reported, this is very concerning– far more concerning than “regular flu” as some health ministers in certain foreign countries have suggested.

    Every year, 5-20% of the American public gets the flu. But the death rate for regular flu is .2%. There’s nothing yet to suggest the death rate for CoronaVirus is as low as .2%.

    For some quick table-napkin math, given how virulent we KNOW CoronaVirus is, its incubation period, infectivity etc., if we estimate in the low-ish range, and 10% of the American public gets infected, that’s 32 million infections. If the death rate is in fact at 2.3 % ~752,000 deaths from CoronaVirus.

    No, that’s not anywhere near zombie apocalypse levels, but it’s not a good situation. So your hope is that the CFR is in fact much, MUCH lower than that.

    Also, a little pit of “panic” can be a good thing. That might be the very thing that slows or restricts the spread. People staying home, washing hands more, self-isolation, restricting travel etc.

    1. It appears that China might be switching to telling some truth now that tens of thousands of Chinese are recovering from Coronavirus.

      Only time will tell. Being real with the news and letting people decide is the best course.

    2. Other factors to give hope that the above statistics don’t play out:

      CFR (confirmed fatality rate) will be lower in the US due to superior, advanced healthcare systems.
      Per my statement about ‘panic’ above, reactive/proactive measures taken which reduce the spread.

      Many US multinationals are already taking action, such as restricting corporate travel to countries with high infection rates such as China. The company I work for just halted all travel to a whole list of countries.
      The Military just barred members from traveling to a whole list of countries, including personal travel. A friend of mine in the reserves had to cancel her family vacation to South Korea.

      All of these factors could play a role in limiting the spread. Some probably more than others.

    3. ~752,000 deaths from CoronaVirus

      I’ll see you in July when global fatalities are about 1-2% of this, and there are no more reported cases.

      1. You can see me any time. I’m not making predictions, I’m merely talking about possibilities based on the current data we have. If you noted my followup statements, then that would be clear. If this disease were just ‘seasonal flu’, no one would have even noticed it.

      2. For instance, people keep flippantly comparing it to “seasonal flu”. South Korea doesn’t declare themselves in a “state of war” over seasonal flu.

        You think South Korea doesn’t have modern, quality healthcare?

      3. Also, the WHO has now admitted they’re in “uncharted territory” in regards to how this is spreading and what its effects are.

        And as for King County:

        “The risk for all of us of becoming infected will be increasing,” said Jeff Duchin, a health officer in King County where five of the deaths occurred.

        Perhaps King County Health department can start spending more time and energy thinking about closing the Broad Street pump instead of worrying about how many grams of sugar are in my soda.

    1. I’m surprised that arrogant asshole didn’t just say “yes” and move on.

  33. It’s beginning. Step one – Sales:
    https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/shop_safe_-_bill_text.pdf

    “An electronic commerce platform shall 10be contributorily liable for infringement by a third- 11party seller participating on the platform for use in 12commerce of a counterfeit mark in connection with 13the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising 14of goods that implicate health and safety, unless the 15following requirements are met:

    Verified through governmental 24identification and other reliable docu-25mentation the identity, principal place of 2
    3 business, and contact information of the 1third-party seller.

    Displayed conspicuously on the 20platform the verified principal place of 21business, contact information, and identity 22of the third-party seller, the country of ori-23gin and manufacture of the goods, and the
    4 location from which the goods will be 1shipped.”

    Anonymity online is going bye bye. If they’re successful with this it will move to other aspects.

    “contributory liability”

    Nice way to put it.

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