Impeachment

Corruption Allegations Against Biden Are 'Completely Groundless,' Says Democratic Impeachment Manager

Rep. Sylvia Garcia threw cold water on accusations that former Vice President Joe Biden acted improperly in Ukraine.

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Rep. Sylvia Garcia (D–Texas) on Thursday sought to discredit corruption allegations against former Vice President Joe Biden as many Senate Republicans push to have his son, Hunter, testify in President Donald Trump's impeachment trial.

As vice president, Biden in 2015 pushed for the deposition of Viktor Shokin, a Ukrainian prosecutor, who had drawn the ire of former President Barack Obama and several international agencies. Some in the GOP insist that the move was instead motivated by a desire to protect his son, Hunter, who had taken a spot on the board of Burisma, a Ukranian energy company mired in scandal.

"Let's be very, very clear," Garcia said on the Senate floor. "Vice President Biden called for the removal of this prosecutor at the official direction of U.S. policy because the prosecutor was widely perceived as corrupt and with the support of all of our international allies, his actions were therefore supported by the executive branch, Congress, and the international community."

As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown points out, the younger Biden's business dealings may indeed warrant raised eyebrows, as he "was brokering tight business relationships with state-associated companies in China and Ukraine" while his father served as Vice President of the United States. But in that same vein, there is "no evidence that Joe Biden was involved or acted improperly in service of his son."

Garcia also noted that Shokin had stopped actively probing Burisma when he was deposed from office, meaning Hunter Biden was likely not under any legal scrutiny. "Although Shokin vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine, he allowed the Burisma investigation to go dormant," Garcia said. "That is when he was removed. He was not actively investigating Burisma."

Trump was impeached by the House in December for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress for his role in pressuring Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy into announcing investigations that targeted Joe and Hunter Biden. In July, the White House abruptly blocked $391 million in congressionally authorized security assistance to the country, which Democrats allege was part of a ploy to strongarm Zelenskiy into carrying out Trump's request—something that stood to benefit him as he gears up for a potential 2020 matchup with Biden. The president also withheld a much-desired White House meeting from the Ukrainian leader, which Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified was a quid pro quo in exchange for the investigations. 

But Republicans say Trump was concerned about ferreting out corruption in the country, although witnesses who worked closely with him on Ukraine matters testified otherwise and the country had already met its anti-corruption benchmarks to receive the aid. Kurt Volker, the former special envoy to Ukraine and a witness for the Republicans in November, called the allegations against Biden "not credible."

Trump began pushing for a probe into the Bidens in 2019, two and a half years after taking office and four years after the events took place. "Biden became the front-runner for the Democratic nomination and polls showed that he had the largest head-to-head lead against President Trump," Garcia said. "That became a problem."

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  1. Si what?

    Surely an investigation would have revealed that.

    1. Si what?

      Hey….is that a racist slur?

    2. It is already documented knucklehead.

    3. But an _announcement_ of an investigation would have damaged Biden even if the investigation later cleared him. That’s what Trump wanted.

      1. How would an announcement of an investigation damange Biden?

  2. Cold water? From one of the impeachment managers? Yeah, right. More likely trying to avoid distractions that would turn the tables and show what a bunch of hacks the impeachment mangers are.

    Look, shiny! Here! Not there!

    1. Impeachment mangers. Is that where Sen Kerry took his lunch?

    2. That’s cold water? Did Binion used to be a slumlord before the Reason gig?

    3. If that is all you garnered, then you have serious cognizant issues. Address the factual content and argue the facts. A childish “No, just because I say so” pathetic dismissal could never be taken seriously.

      1. Eat shit and die.

      2. Ironic, given that Rep. Garcia’s entire point is that accusations against Joe Biden are baseless just because she says so.

  3. It’s nice that Reason saves us the trouble of having to go to Vox or HuffPo to get the official narrative

    1. First item in his bio – “His writing has appeared in HuffPost”

      1. Well, that explains a lot.

        1. Huh.
          And I always figured Reason had the lowest standards

          1. Apparently you’ve never stumbled on to CNN or MSNBC.

            1. OR FOX (FAUX) NEWS, or the Trumpchannel that has an accuracy rate of barely 30% of the time.

              1. OR FOX (FAUX) NEWS

                Stop living in 2004, Boomer.

                1. careful, any disagreement with the official narrative triggers him. You don’t want to see him triggered, he might cry.

                  1. Maybe I LIKE crying Proggied.

                    Salty, Salty Tears muy delicioso.

              2. If that is true, ( I doubt it ) then the mainstream media must be batting 10%, or you are just a partisan hack?

  4. “because the prosecutor was widely perceived as corrupt and with the support of all of our international allies”

    Except, at least, our (allegedly) most important ally: Ukraine.

    1. Prosecutor Shokin had been taking bribes to not investigate Not one Ukraine Company had been fined or found guilty. Burisma had not been on Shokin’s donate also for may years. Stored cash and diamonds were found in the possession of Shokin’s associates.

      1. Unsupported assertion by crying prog?
        Must be true

  5. “Although Shokin vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine, he allowed the Burisma investigation to go dormant,” Garcia said. “That is when he was removed. He was not actively investigating Burisma.”

    And as a member of the Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion, she speaks with authority about Shokin.

  6. But in that same vein, there is “no evidence that Joe Biden was involved or acted improperly in service of his son.”

    Um…without an investigation, of course there is no evidence. Just as there is no evidence Sylvia Garcia doesn’t cheat on her taxes.

  7. Shorter version: It’s fine when we do it.

  8. Look, I’ve been quite clear Biden isn’t my first choice for November. So I’m totally unbiased here. And I can definitively state there is nothing unethical about anything Biden or his family did involving Ukraine.

    #StopSmearingTheBidens

    1. OMG! Oh, yeah. They’re just good natured, hard working folks. Like the Connors’ ………….

    2. OBL, you have seriously been off your game lately.

    3. Of course not. Hunter Biden got his $80K per month job based on his world famous in-depth knowledge of energy exploration and production. Happens every day. There was no expected payback just because he was the Vice President’s son. And about that prosecutor – I’m sure Biden would have just as vigorously gone after an obscure prosecutor in a foreign country even if Hunter had no ties to Burisma. And there was nothing wrong with threatening to withhold Congressionally-appropriated funds – that’s only when Trump does it. I think I’ve got it straight now.

    4. Of course not. Hunter Biden got his $80K per month job based on his world famous in-depth knowledge of energy exploration and production. Happens every day. There was no expected payback just because he was the Vice President’s son. And about that prosecutor – I’m sure Biden would have just as vigorously gone after an obscure prosecutor in a foreign country even if Hunter had no ties to Burisma. And there was nothing wrong with threatening to withhold Congressionally-appropriated funds – that’s only when Trump does it. I think I’ve got it straight now.

    5. Then you MUST also say Trump did nothing wrong or you are a hypocrite.

  9. >>”Biden became the front-runner for the Democratic nomination and polls showed that he had the largest head-to-head lead against President Trump,”

    T violated the Oath of Orifice because polls.

  10. Nice bait and switch there with the Sondlund testimony. The supposed quid pro quo that he testified to had nothing to do with the money. It was that Trump was not going to meet with Zelensky unless the Ukrainian president made a public statement about an investigation into Biden and Burisma. So, are you actually arguing that POTUS is abusing his power when he tries to influence a foreign head of state by delay a meeting with him?????
    BTW: Sondlund also testified that he was aware of no direction from Trump regarding the withholding of the money related to any investigations.

    1. There is honestly too much dishonest framing, lies, and outright poor journalistic standards in describing unproven claims. Binion and Reason have been utterly atrocious in covering Trump and impeachment. Listening to the podcast showed that only Gillespie had any concept of how shit Reason’s takes have been

      1. Yeah, it’s too bad Gillespie has so little authority at Reason. If he were in charge of anything he could turn this coverage back to real journalism in a minute.

        1. See. This is how you do sarcasm!

          Coffee missed keyboard, barely.

      2. Binion totally cockswoggles the Proggie meme with the headline, lede and text of this article.
        Anything that does not condemn Trump must first be cleared by SCOTUS.

  11. the younger Biden’s business dealings may indeed warrant raised eyebrows, as he “was brokering tight business relationships with state-associated companies in China and Ukraine” while his father served as Vice President of the United States.

    Raising eyebrows… indeed.

  12. “Rep. Sylvia Garcia threw cold water on accusations that former Vice President Joe Biden acted improperly in Ukraine.”

    Maybe Reason should go to 2 times a week instead of trying so hard to do this daily. Quick takes don’t seem to be your thing.

    1. I’ve heard that doing this kind of thing daily might make one go blind or develop hairy palms.

  13. Yet another version of, “for God’s sake, don’t investigate CrowdStrike!”.

  14. “Garcia also noted that Shokin had stopped actively probing Burisma when he was deposed from office, meaning Hunter Biden was likely not under any legal scrutiny. “Although Shokin vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine, he allowed the Burisma investigation to go dormant,” Garcia said. “That is when he was removed. He was not actively investigating Burisma.”
    Wow this is getting tedious I’ve posted this link before but Billy would rather regurgitate democrat impeachment managers than actually do any reporting.
    https://johnsolomonreports.com/joe-bidens-conspiracy-theory-memo-to-u-s-media-doesnt-match-the-facts/

    Fact: Shokin’s prosecutors were actively investigating Burisma when he was fired.

    While some news organizations cited by the Biden memo have reported the investigation was “dormant” in March 2016, official files released by the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office, in fact, show there was substantial investigative activity in the weeks just before Joe Biden forced Shokin’s firing.

    The corruption investigations into Burisma and its founder began in 2014. Around the same time, Hunter Biden and his U.S. business partner Devon Archer were added to Burisma’s board, and their Rosemont Seneca Bohais firm began receiving regular $166,666 monthly payments, which totaled nearly $2 million a year. Both banks records seized by the FBI in America and Burisma’s own ledgers in Ukraine confirm these payments.

    To put the payments in perspective, the annual amounts paid by Burisma to Hunter Biden’s and Devon Archer’s Rosemont Seneca Bohais firm were 30 times the average median annual household income for everyday Americans.

    For a period of time in 2015, those investigations were stalled as Ukraine was creating a new FBI-like law enforcement agency known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau ((NABU) to investigate endemic corruption in the former Soviet republic.

    There was friction between NABU and the prosecutor general’s office for a while. And then in September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt demanded more action in the Burisma investigation. You can read his speech here. Activity ramped up extensively soon after.

    In December 2015, the prosecutor’s files show, Shokin’s office transferred the evidence it had gathered against Burisma to NABU for investigation.

    In early February 2016, Shokin’s office secured a court order allowing prosecutors to re-seize some of the Burisma founder’s property, including his home and luxury car, as part of the ongoing probe.

    Two weeks later, in mid-February 2016, Latvian law enforcement sent this alert to Ukrainian prosecutors flagging several payments from Burisma to American accounts as “suspicious.” The payments included some monies to Hunter Biden’s and Devon Archer’s firm. Latvian authorities recently confirmed it sent the alert.

    Shokin told both me and ABC News that just before he was fired under pressure from Joe Biden he also was making plans to interview Hunter Biden.

    1. More
      Fact: Ukraine law enforcement reopened the Burisma investigation in early 2019, well before President Trump mentioned the matter to Ukraine’s new president Vlodymyr Zelensky.

      This may be the single biggest under-reported fact in the impeachment scandal: four months before Trump and Zelensky had their infamous phone call, Ukraine law enforcement officials officially reopened their investigation into Burisma and its founder.

      The effort began independent of Trump or his lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s legal work. In fact, it was NABU – the very agency Joe Biden and the Obama administration helped start – that recommended in February 2019 to reopen the probe.

      NABU director Artem Sytnyk made this announcement that he was recommending a new notice of suspicion be opened to launch the case against Burisma and its founder because of new evidence uncovered by detectives.

      Ukrainian officials said that new evidence included records suggesting a possible money laundering scheme dating to 2010 and continuing until 2015.

      A month later in March 2019, Deputy Prosecutor General Konstantin Kulyk officially filed this notice of suspicion re-opening the case.

      And Reuters recently quoted Ukrainian officials as saying the ongoing probe was expanded to allegations of theft of public funds.

      The implications of this timetable are significant to the Trump impeachment trial because the president couldn’t have pressured Ukraine to re-open the investigation in July 2019 when Kiev had already done so on its own, months earlier.

      For a complete timeline of all the key events in the Ukraine scandal, you can click here.

      1. Get these acts of actual journalism out of here. Wr don’t even recognize the NYT or Politico articles from 2016 anymore. Trust in Schiff.

      2. So? That just means the quid pro quo wasn’t to start the investigation, but to announce publicly that the investigation had been started. /s

  15. Do the prosecutors (“managers”) realize that they just made an issue out of the Bidens’ behavior? Which would seem to imply it’s something relevant for the Senate to investigate.

    How can they say at one and the same time that the Joseph Biden was pure as the driven snow, while refusing to allow evidence that maybe he wasn’t?

    And it’s not even necessary to show Joe was guilty, just that his behavior was worthy of investigation. Like, maybe he should have recused himself from issues affecting his family’s income.

    I mean, look, plenty of pure and noncorrupt people in Europe were supposedly demanding that this prosecutor be fired. Plus pure and uncorrupt people in the U. S. So why, instead of picking one of these pure people to pressure Ukraine, why pick someone with corrupt family ties?

    Why couldn’t Biden simply have said, “I’d love to be your point person on Ukraine, but my idiot son’s activities prevent me from being unbiased, why don’t you send someone pure and unbiased, like Hillary, to pressure the Ukrainians?”

    1. someone pure and unbiased, like Hillary,

      Lol

    2. Because Democrats eat their own, if he had allowed someone else to be sent there’s a chance they seize the opportunity to take Biden down a few pegs for their own advantage.

      The only way to protect his useless, crackhead son was to do it himself.

  16. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

    So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

  17. “was brokering tight business relationships with state-associated companies in China and Ukraine” while his father served as Vice President of the United States. But in that same vein, there is “no evidence that Joe Biden was involved or acted improperly in service of his son.”
    Well we have video of Joe bragging that he got a prosecutor fired that was investigating his benefactors in Ukraine and Hunter flew to China with Joe on air force 2 and walked away with millions. Seems like evidence that Joe was involved to me. This is not just a matter of Hunter getting wealthy because his last name is Biden. Joe was an active participant.
    Oh and by the way. Hunter is currently threatened with contempt charges for failure to provide financial and income information to a court in Arkansas while trying to deny support to the mother of one of his children. Could be pretty interesting if it all becomes public record.

    1. I thought that Hunter simply was forced to pay the award in the child support case because he refused to provide financial disclosures. It was a game of chess. Suck it up, pay the requested support without objection, but keep financial records under lock and key.

      1. Don’t most states have child support formulas that include full accounting of income? IOW, how much you have to pay is dependent on how much you make.

        …..

        A quick google says yes, Alabama child support is dependent on income of the parents.

        So without a disclosure of all income, he cannot properly comply with Alabama child support law. Of course, they could reach a settlement without such disclosure, should she be so persuaded.

    2. Judge has reportedly said that the financial information would placed under seal.

  18. Biden is on video bragging that he threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor looking into Burisma.

  19. Related to Biden, but not the impeachment: Biden Says He’d Fire ICE Agents for Arresting Drunk Driving Illegal Aliens. From Townhall. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/01/22/biden-says-he-would-fire-ice-agents-for-deporting-drunk-driving-illegals-n2559963

    There’s video of him saying, “‘You’re fired.’ If in fact, you do that. You only arrest for the purpose of dealing with a felony that’s committed, and I don’t count drunk driving as a felony.”

    I mean, what the fuck. How is this not a campaign ad throughout the general election season if he wins? Is he trying to throw the game?

    1. He’s playing for the OBL vote. Very niche campaigning.

  20. Ooh. A Democrat says Biden is not corrupt. Guess that settles it then. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    1. Evidentiary pointers from slack-jawed birthers are always fascinating.

      1. Look friend you obviously need help. Your clinger ways need to be readjusted by your betters. All good things will come from reeducation under the new order. I need a commitment from you now. You do not want to go to Coventry.

        1. I am enjoying the dialogue between Kirkland and one of his replacements

          1. Literally the meme of:

            “who are you?”
            ‘I’m you, but stronger!’

      2. Open wide for your replacement Rev. He’s wearing a red hat and he’s probably your wife’s boyfriend

        1. Kuckland and Dickland are both suitable replacements

      3. Why don’t you just read the links posted by gaear via john Solomon and shut up already?

  21. Man Reason is becoming so left libertarian…then again you can debate if Matt Welch has any libertarian views of note…Nick seems to like the “cosmo” virtue signaling…decades ago as a young kid out of college working for a consulting firm I had the opportunity to work with Reason to develop a rational and methodology to privatize LAX..man have things changed…why not hire Jennifer Rubin or Max Boot next…

    1. Reason cannot afford them, so had to settle on Billy Binion.

      1. They don’t actually pay Binion. They just hold the note on his mom’s basement re-do.

  22. “Garcia also noted that Shokin had stopped actively probing Burisma when he was deposed from office, meaning Hunter Biden was likely not under any legal scrutiny. ”

    Cites, please. And why the qualifier “likely” not…?

    1. It means “I’m leaving open an avenue of retreat just in case I turn out to be wrong.”

      1. It’s equally likely that likely means he’s just making shit up.

  23. I for one am totally convinced by Rep. Garcia’s irrefutable evidence that Joe Biden acted solely to protect his son. I mean what the heck, if you can’t even use a billion dollars of taxpayer money to keep your kid out of jail, what’s the point of being Vice President?

  24. I hope Ukraine’s NABU isn’t as lame as George Lucas’s.

  25. Congratulations Reason for your ability to Parrot the Democrat Party line. Your Never-Trump Koch masters should be proud. Setting a really good example of free and independent thought.

    1. Do you think the use of non-standard English is persuasive here? Or is the impulse to channel Joe McCarthy´s ¨Democrat Party¨ slur simply irresistible?

    2. Hey! Soros paid good money for their globalist cuck narrative

  26. Follow. The. Money.

  27. “The president also withheld a much-desired White House meeting from the Ukrainian leader, which Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified was a quid pro quo in exchange for the investigations. ”

    No, actually Gordon Sondland testified that this was just presumption on his part and he had no direct or indirect evidence of this. When questioned further he testified that the only actual direct knowledge he had was that Trump had specifically stated he wanted nothing in return for the aid.

    Ambassador Sondland was also the sole source the previous dozen “witnesses” testified they had gotten their evidence or information from and he in turn admitted under oath in his testimony that it was nothing but made up fiction and his own personal presumptions.

    1. Misrepresentations like that, at a publication that cared about integrity, would carry serious repercussions.

      But, they aren’t paying Binion to be honest.

  28. Another lying sack of sh@t article. Oh surprise! The allegations against Hunter are anything but debunked. No serious investigation has ever taken place. Mostly because daddy got it quashed.

    Hunter and his circle of friends are crooked, low life, scheming Pigf@#$ers, to a man. Galanis, Cooney, Archer, Biden and Heinz are all excremental human beings and nothing, I repeat nothing, no matter how low or sordid, is too low for them. They stole from the Sioux. Not just any Sioux, the poorest tribe in the US. Total scum, one and all. Rosemont Seneca is just a vehicle for laundering money looted from governments. Everything about them is disgusting.

    1. You can call them pigfuckers here. Even if they don’t actually fuck pigs.

      Got a brief cite or summary of how these people screwed over a band of Sioux?

      1. Siouxsie’s band was The Banshees.

        1. Well, she didn’t screw them over. Screwed (and ended up marrying) the drummer, Budgie, but that’s not the same.

          I think their lineup with Robert Smith playing guitar, her, Budgie, and Severin on bass was their best. Nocturne is a great live album.

          Best part of the first Lollapalooza.

  29. Give a fuck what some bought and paid for bitch thinks.

    The fuck man.

  30. Guess what actions can have two causes. Yes many people wanted the prosecutor gone for political reasons and yes Biden wanted him gone to protect his son.

  31. Weren’t we told that the Senate should be filling in the gaps?

    Does that go for the Bidens, too?

    1. Didn’t you read the post? It’s a fake scandal and has no relevance to this impeachment.

  32. Joe Biden acted improperly by failing to recuse himself from political activities that potentially impacted his son’s business dealings.

    1. And 0blama acted improperly by leaving Crazy Uncle Joe in those positions, after his crack-head son was hired by Burisma and the Chi-coms.

      1. Not only left him in those positions, but was so concerned about it he had White House meetings about it.

        Because the Federal government exists to accommodate the financial concerns of Democrat politician progeny.

  33. The lawyers tell us there is nothing untoward about the drug-addicted, dishonorably discharged adult son of a sitting vice-president with no experience whatsoever in the energy industry obtaining a job with a foreign energy company paying him millions of dollars per year. That is ok, they assure us. Nothing to see here.

    Meanwhile, the rest of America says: WTF? Are you f’in kidding me? Nothing to see here? Yeah right.

    One way or the other, the Bidens will be investigated. It is all going to come out. It won’t be stopped. They better hire good counsel now so they’re ready when the investigations come.

    1. Absent something like Blago auctioning a Senate seat on the phone, political corruption cases don’t come more neatly wrapped than this. They hired a literal crackhead with no energy experience, to sit on the board of directors of an energy company, because his dad was the US VP. And Dad bragged on an open mike a out getting a local prosecutor canned who was looking into the deal.

      I mean what the fuck did the Democrat leadership think was going to happen when they started making noise about this? The funny thing is how many other US politicians’ relatives were feeding at this trough. How many other countries receiving US aid have similar relationships with US politicians and their families?

      1. That’s why there’s zero chance Biden would ever testify. He may have gotten away with plagiarism, but hush money as VP is a whole other can of worms. He knows his career and reputation would go up in smoke.

        There’s a reason Obama distances himself from Biden-and Burisma might be it.

        The party ( groupthink) line is that the Burisma/little Hunter affair has been debunked; bullshit. That line by the tools is perpetuated and has utility as long as Biden stays viable as a presidential candidate. The moment he becomes wounded, the shit will hit the fan.

        1. I have no idea how what we already know about Biden in this, hasn’t already torpedoed his candidacy. I know this is a debased and depraved age, but Biden voters, there isn’t anyone else in the party you could support besides a guy that makes Boss Hogg corruption look small time? How in the fuck is this guy still a candidate?

          I am not a fan of the impeachment process. I think Clinton’s was wrong; hell, I think Nixon’s was premature. But I would have supported impeaching Biden if this scandal had come to light during his term.

          1. He’s still a candidate because his only competition is a couple communists and a dude that let a small-town police department steamroll him.

            For the (relatively) sane Democrats, who are they supposed to support?

            I will say it is amusing watching them flail around hopelessly like this. Trump is the most eminently beatable candidate in a generation and they still find a way to fuck it up.

            1. “For the (relatively) sane Democrats, who are they supposed to support?”

              Hickenlooper wouldn’t have been bad, if I had to vote Dem. Ex-Governor, Mayor of a major city, the guy has executive branch experience.

              The batch that’s Left..? I’m guessing the ones that aren’t complete Reds go with Steyer or Bloomburg. Maybe the South Bend Mayor.

              Pretty pathetic lot.

              1. Hickenlooper wouldn’t have been the worst. I wasn’t in Colorado for much of his governorship, but people I respect here say he was actually pretty good, and definitely good for a Democrat.

                But yeah, I’m mostly referring to who’s left. The party has so many purity tests that no one can pass all of them, so whoever comes out of the primary is going into a battle with Trump carrying fresh wounds from their “allies”. I don’t think Bloomberg or Steyer is really viable, Warren and Sanders have been too vitriolic about billionaires and I can’t see them throwing full-throated support behind either of those guys if they won the nomination. Without those two getting their supporters in line I don’t think the Democrats can win the general election.

                That’s why Biden is still doing as well as he is, he’s mostly a known quantity and all of his failings have been there for 3 decades so they must not be total deal-breakers.

            2. “I will say it is amusing watching them flail around hopelessly like this. Trump is the most eminently beatable candidate in a generation and they still find a way to fuck it up.”

              Bingo.

    2. If you think that kind of nepotism is wrong, you must be apoplectic over the power, influence, and dealings of Trump’s children. What’s that? Not a single one of you Trumpists so upset about Hunter Biden getting that job think it’s wrong when your side turns the nepotism up to 11? I’m shocked.

  34. The complaint is that Trump took an official action to help him get reelected. That’s probably true.

    But to hear the complaint come from people whose every single official action is taken to help them get reelected…it’s kind of surreal.

    1. It is like they have double standards or something.

  35. Boiled down it appears this magazines editorial page is we should believe Top Men when they say there isn’t any corruption where they are involved. Except for Orange Man’s top men because he’s bad. Top level reasoning. Jesus this publication used to be kind of interesting and thought provoking now it’s just an appeal to certain principels if they come from certain approved principals.

  36. Trump lied. What’s new? So what? A rather dumb liar as president is better than a socialist or progressive (socialist lite) as president. The one and only better choice for a president is no president whatsoever. Think: how stupid we are to give one man as much power over 360 million Americans as is given to the president. Down with the state! Up with individual self-government in a voluntaryist society (http://voluntaryist.com/) wherein no violent governments are allowed.

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