Police Abuse

NYPD Officers Pointed Guns Inside a Busy Subway Car in an Arrest Caught on Camera

The NYPD's increased presence on the New York subway has many wondering about the resources dedicated to stop petty crimes.

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A video that went viral over the weekend has led to criticisms over the New York Police Department's arrest of a teenager on the subway.

Elad Nehorai shared a video on Twitter that was partially captioned, "In case you're wondering how an arrest in NYC goes down." The video shows a young man who allegedly jumped a turnstile sitting in the middle of a train car. Passengers quickly move out of the way as the NYPD officers outside of the car point their guns toward the young man. The young man is seen putting his hands up in surrender. When the doors finally open, multiple NYPD officers board the train to bring the lone teenager to the ground and arrest him.

The incident occurred at the Franklin Avenue station in Brooklyn.

The NYPD responded to the incident, saying, "What the video doesn't show is a credible witness alerting our officers to a man brandishing a gun. When officers approached the man in question, he fled into a subway station and onto a train to escape. Minutes later, officers at the next station took him into custody."

Nehorai explained that he noted this in the thread. He added that he took issue with the police response because the young man was cooperating. He also took issue with the officers' decision to point weapons at innocent civilians.

By Tuesday, Fox 5 New York reported that the teen did not have a weapon.

Observers have criticized the police response, as well as cops' increased presence in subway stations—part of a recent push to catch more fare-beaters.

The NYPD unveiled a "Transit High Visibility Detail" in March. The detail consists of police officers who generally work desk duty who have been reassigned to patrol various subway stations to scare off potential fare-evaders. Any arrests made by the detail are fruitless, as the Manhattan district attorney has already promised to not prosecute this low-level crime.

The arrests that have been made so far have also received heavy public scrutiny, with many asking why so many resources are being dedicated to arresting New Yorkers over a $2.75 fare. The Marshall Project, a criminal justice-focused nonprofit journalism operation, has also criticized the added police presence, noting racial disparities in arrests.

Another police-involved incident on the subway, which is still unfolding, has also called the NYPD's conduct into question. A Friday video shows an officer punching two teenagers while the officers' colleagues attempt to break up a fight at the Jay Street/Metrotech Station in Brooklyn.

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  1. I don’t know about pulling guns, but I want resources directed at stopping petty crimes. They are still crimes. Fuck people who rip off the subway system and otherwise steal and cause problems.

    1. Unless you are willing/want to see people killed over petty crimes, you need to come up with a better solution than sending armed police to deal with it.

      1. So we should only have laws that carry the death penalty. That eliminates even murder in Reasonland.

        1. Or disarm the police.

          1. How are the police supposed to confiscate our guns if you disarm them?

        2. Every law carries the potential for the death penalty. That’s the point. Ask Eric Garner if you disagree.

          So, yeah, we should only criminalize the things that actually deserve that.

          1. You just repeated exactly what I said. Since you don’t support the death penalty for rape or murder I’d say it’s pretty safe to say that petty theft certainly wouldn’t qualify. Your logical consistency leads to a justice system that’s pretty fucked though.

          2. So what? Enforcing law is hard but it is still better than not enforcing the law at all.

          3. Enforcing the law on petty crimes sets the tone for reducing more serious offenses. An arrest may be overkill, but maybe a ‘parking’ type ticket would be a suitable message w/o the potential for violence.

            1. “May be overkill?” You think?

      2. No, we have cops who enforce the law without killing people. But we absolutely have them enforce the law. You don’t have a right to steal from the subway system and you deserved to be prosecuted if you do. Fuck you and every other thief who thinks stealing is okay.

        1. Not arrested and prosecuted. I think a ticket a la other civil infractions is adequate. Sometimes cops enforce the law without killing people, but sometimes not.

      3. No one is going to get killed over a “petty” crime. If you get caught, then just listen to the commands given to you and everything will be good to go. Or, you can just not do crime. But of course libertarians on Reason are always silent when it comes to the NAP.

        1. People do get killed over petty crimes.

          Not sure what your point about the NAP is. Libertarians on Reason never shut up about the NAP. Which also applies to the police.

        2. Plenty of people have gotten killed over petty crimes while attempting to comply with the commands given to them. There’s a whole litany of these cases.

          And the NAP definitely comes up a lot around here. It’s important to note that it also applies to the cops.

      4. Okay – if that’s the way it is, I don’t have a problem with blowing away some punk over a petty crime.

        Happy?

    2. Fair jumpers cost an estimated 500K each day to the transit system which is no wonder why its in the deplorable state we find it in. This is the first time I’m not all that upset with the cops.

      1. For your numbers to be true, you’d need 180k jumpers per day. MTA says between 2 and 5 million per day, so 3-8% consistently as fare jumpers? Just not buying it…

        1. I am. 3-8% of people will take something for free where there is no penalty for doing so? I am surprised it isn’t higher. The fact that it isn’t is a tribute to the honesty of the people of New York.

          1. Many of those people would just walk rather than pay the $2.75, and you’d need to confiscate the wealth of about 10 million fare jumpers in order to fund the ridiculously inefficient MTA.

            1. They stole the ride. You are not confiscating the wealth by making them pay for it. If they would rather walk, then they should do so.

              I don’t care how inefficient the MTA is. That doesn’t give people the right to steal from it.

              1. You’re not wrong, I’m just saying that the severe financial problems of the MTA are not the result of a small percentage of free rides. I’m also saying that I doubt that reducing the number of fare jumpers to zero would have a material effect on anything.

                1. Actually, the more people get away with it, the more likely others are to do it. That’s not the effect you’re talking about, but it’s an important one.

        2. Did he say, “per day”? He meant per hour.

          Apprehend the criminals and give them a choice: $100 fine on the spot and release with a record, or arrest and confinement until bailed out or tried.

      2. It’s NYC, the subway should be classed as a public service and funded through some sort of tax on everybody. (like they think health care and schools should be)

        1. It’s called the MTA tax , where businesses operating within the MTA zone pay an additional ~29% surcharge on NY state taxes. So yeah, I’d say it’s paid for by everyone in the local area.

      3. If only the government had some way to predict that more people would ride trains than pay for it – like an estimate or something they could use to set the fares actually paid to match expenses. Math sure is hard.

        1. Yeah because having a system where you expect people to pay for something but you enforce no penalty for taking it for free is going to work so well. Apparently reality is really fucking hard for some people.

    3. I’d rather they go after the big theives in the Metro. You know the government who robs people to fund them.

      1. Good for you. In the mean time, fuck you and stop stealing. I don’t give a flying fuck how hard they go after people who steal. Sorry you are a bum and think stealing is okay.

        1. I never said stealing was ok. Fuck off asshole. Just rather they went after the thieves at Metro harder then the thieves stealing a $2.50 ride. You must be a friend of Jack Evans, sorry he may not be able to attend your DC cocktail parties for much longer; but he’ll probably get off and get a nice pension after bilking the tax payer.

          1. Yeah, it’s just $2.50. How much is that times per day, per month and annually? I wait your answer.

            1. Don’t know, don’t care. Wouldn’t be my problem if the government got the fuck out of the transportation business. Damn never thought that would be controversial. Let me guess your upset the train from SF and LA got canceled? Sorry but Trump was right to end that monstrosity, shit even CA didn’t want it even though they wanted it if someone else paid for.

    4. Reason supports free public transportation.

      1. Pretty sure that’s literally never been their stance. The transportation group’s mantra is “user pays!” regardless of the method in question.

    5. Don’t you worry! Police can still issue tickets to turnstile-jumpers. It’s just not something the whole criminal justice system gets into.

    6. They’re not stealing anything. The trains cost the same amount to operate, and they still run. Nobody’s kicked off a train for a fare beater.

      I’m for anyone “stealing” from government. The government’s going to steal all they can from you regardless. I don’t begrudge anyone getting back more than they were “supposed” to.

      1. So I can just come and stay in your spare room. It is not like you are using it. Or just borrow your car at night when you are asleep.

        They are stealing it. And it is not okay to steal from the government anymore than it is okay for me to steal from you.

        1. No, because my spare room was legitimately acquired by me, as was my car, whose upkeep I pay for. I didn’t have to tax anyone or use eminent domain to acquire them.

    7. …And there’s John, right on time to suck up to the establishment.

    8. how utterly stupid c a n you be? so there is nothing better than pointing guns over $3? The subway night as well be free for the cost of that collection. What if somebody gets killed or shot? To “enforce” an offense against fare evasion the cost greatly outweighs the benefit, which is none at all. City transportation is like streetlights or a moving sidewalk: it’s just part of the municipal environment. It is an outrageous waste of time to pay $3 each time I want to ride the subway, and I am often missing trains because I have to get a ticket or go through a turnstile. Just because a system develops one way doesn’t mean it has to be frozen in rmtime forever.

    9. Ticketing would be adequate. Arrests…not so much.

  2. What an f’in mess. I ride the E-Train a lot. Not surprised that a passel of NYC’s finest is there. Next time, don’t do the crime. Turnstile jumping is theft.

    1. Bingo. Since when are enforcing actual crimes something libertarians object?

      1. >>actual crimes something libertarians object

        may look at the “actual crime” more lightly

        1. Could 2 cops with no guns drawn have been at least as effective? Libertarians say yes.

          1. Not just libertarians. Everyone but boot-lickers and bed-wetters (sorry to disparage the brave but incontinent).

          2. The action and punishment should fit the level of the crime. No guns drawn, but more than one donut-eater.

      2. The ones that selectively apply NAP, or don’t know what NAP is.

    2. Same, as a fellow E rider I agree completely.

      1. That said, though, I imagine a citation or something like it is more appropriate than an arrest (if for nothing else than to save taxpayer money).

        1. Yeah….good luck trying to collect on that fine, considering the perp. I totally hear you about citation/appropriateness, but then it collides with reality.

          1. Fingerprint and facial recognition should help. Tie drivers licenses or utilities bills to it. Voila!

            1. Do you really think that is public policy that NYC would seriously consider? Think this this stuff through to its logical conclusion. I know you can do it.

              1. Yeah, I kind of had the same reaction. Dumbass DeBlasio implementing that? No f’in way. But it was a good idea.

    3. What’s being stolen from whom? How did the party being stolen from come by that property?

    1. The unwatchable joke of a movie.

  3. ” . . . point weapons at innocent civilians.”

    Nope. ‘fraid not.
    There are no innocent civilians, just ‘us’ and ‘them’.

  4. Who will be first to promise spending $100B federally to make all public transit FREE, Bernie or Lizzie?

    That’s the only solution to these turnstile jumpers!

    1. Stunning and brave turnstile jumpers.

  5. Doesn’t seem to be economically sound. Arresting someone for not paying a $2.75 fair? I know the cops are on the clock but the man hours required for arresting someone that will never be booked has to cost way more than $2.75. Seems like the tax payers monies would be better spend in other places.

    1. You think the only reason to catch any particular fare jumper is to collect $2.75?

      1. Course not. Get em in the database.

      2. I think he’s going for a cost benefit analysis, which the city clearly has not done. How many goons had their guns drawn? How many bystanders were traced? How many lawsuits will they have to settle (presuit usually)? None of this, nor the alleged crime justifies the response from a cost perspective. The risks are too high – financially, morally, and Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn.

        1. Well, if they execute the next fare skipper immediately upon arrest and in front of lots of people, that may have the deterrent effect that seems to be the goal…

    2. You are correct, all items valued less than $2.75 should be free. Walmart opens at 7 AM.

  6. I don’t know if they should have had their firearms out, but this dude did commit a theft by jumping the turnstile. Seems to me that kicking him out of the subway would be a more reasonable response than arresting him over $2.75 though. Probably less costly for the taxpayer too.

    1. From whom did he steal, and what?

      1. He stole from the subway system. He stole operational costs without paying for them.

  7. for everyone’s $2.75/per those trains should be cleaner

    1. For the amount I spend in NY city and state tax, you would think the streets could be cleaner.

      It’s hard to keep it clean when people treat the streets like a garbage can. Same with the subway.

      1. Vic….You ride the E train? OMG, the f’in stories I can tell from just watching people. Honestly, people have no idea what NYC cops deal with on a daily basis.

        1. I do, but not that often. I’m on the 4 or 5 from Grand Central to 125th every work day.

          My boss had a story where there were train issues on the 1 train and the train he was on did one of the first car pulls into the station and anyone who wants off has to walk to the first car. He was walking through and there was a crowd of people at one of the doors between the cars. People didn’t seem to want to go through, but a few did. He said screw it and walked through finding out why people were not wanting to go into the next car. There were piles of human shit on the floor. He said it was like walking a mine field.

          Someone on Facebook posted a MTA alert saying a train was put out of service due to sanitation reasons. I suspect it was similar.

          The governor is somewhat involved and sent teams from the ODTA to force the homeless into either a shelter, or an involuntary hospital visit. Cuomo is pulling a Giuliani and I haven’t seen one word of it in the media.

          “”Honestly, people have no idea what NYC cops deal with on a daily basis.””

          This is very true. It doesn’t excuse some of the behavior by the cops though. But I get their frustration.

          1. There were piles of human shit on the floor. He said it was like walking a mine field. This is got to be the #2 train. You can literally smell that f’in train coming in. I just feel bad for the tourists who hop on the #2 from Javits. Sort of like, “Welcome to NYC, fool”. 🙂

            1. “Welcome to NYC, fool”.

              That really should be that 3rd world city’s motto.

            2. Maybe they shouldn’t call it the #2 train.

  8. I had a Metro officer in DC tell me that I could just walk out of the station without paying. (Folks were backed up trying to get out of the station to the Nationals game) But I still paid.

    That might have been because I was in DC, rather than Maryland or Virginia. DC decriminalized fare evasion.

  9. Don’t point your weapon at anything you do not fully intend to kill. Gun safety 101. And what makes a ‘credible witness?’ With the way things are headed (‘Red Flag’ tyranny) that’s a question that should concern us all!

    At least we can be grudgingly thankful that NYPDs ‘Transit High Visibility Detail’ is…well, ‘highly visibile.’ What Attorney General Barr and the nation’s law enforcers are presently doing in the dark should have every American gravely concerned:

    Read the memo yourself:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6509496-Attorney-General-Memo-Implementation-of-National.html?embed=true&responsive=false&sidebar=false

    AG Barr [has been prepping] attorneys, law enforcement and the Justice Dept for the imminent implementation of a new “national disruption and early engagement program” aimed at detecting potential mass shooters before they commit any crime. Pre-crime is here folks, and to be sure, ‘credible (and wholly ANONYMOUS and/or fabricated) witnesses’ will play a heroic role here, just like in Nazi Germany! Remember ‘Parallel Construction?’

    This memo came out two weeks ago. I was really hoping Reason would cover this, because the MSM has completely ignored it (apart from HuffPo, which unsurprisingly, enthusiastically supports the idea) so I emailed them a tip. The Feds have been working on this classified program, under the guise of ‘national security’ of course, for at least a decade that I personally know of. In that time, I’ve been doing my level best to alert true Constitutional patriots to this threat. Americans either cannot or simply do not want to believe it. Well, how about now?

    FYI, the East German Secret Police – the dreaded Stasi – had a similar, but far less technologically advanced program, called ‘Zersetzung.’

    1. People are going to have to decide which is ickier: giving up or amending 2a or giving up 4a. Letting the trend of mass shooting continue is not sustainable. The people are demanding action, and no one is offering a good solution.

      1. Giving up 2A means giving up 4A if we haven’t already. You think cops won’t see, in “plain view,” that other illegal shit you have in your house when they go searching for the guns?

        1. No, I don’t think they will see anything.
          The next group maybe – – – – – –

  10. What the video doesn’t show is a credible witness alerting our officers to a man brandishing a gun.

    I have a doubt.

    He also took issue with the officers’ decision to point weapons at innocent civilians.

    Innocent? You’re either blue or you’re not blue. There is no innocent.

  11. The arrests that have been made so far have also received heavy public scrutiny, with many asking why so many resources are being dedicated to arresting New Yorkers over a $2.75 fare.

    Eric Garner was unavailable for comment.

  12. He was a good boy, he dindu nuthin’

  13. Why do I doubt the existence of this convenient “credible witness”? Am I just getting cynical in my old age?

    1. naw, that was my first thought too. Course, we’ve had so many “credible” anonymous witnesses these last 3 years with Trump, not to mention the nonexistent CI in the murder of that Houston couple this year.

    2. Adjectives are weapons in police arsenal.

    3. “He’s coming right at us!”

  14. Come on reason, I want the police forces to return to “protect and serve” instead of “punch and cover up” as much as the next libertarian, but once someone says they see a guy with a gun? fuck that, it’s pile on time. This was obviously an over reaction though, what do they think this is high school football pile on? lol . Also there is nothing wrong with upping the police patrols for muggings and petty crimes. WTF else are the cops for? Not everything is a homicide.

    1. Did someone say there was a gun? Cause all we have to go on is the cops’ word for that, and after the last few years of politics, I’m not too trusting when it comes to government. And of course, the police would never LIE to cover up mistakes…. right? https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/26/two-people-were-killed-botched-drug-raid-investigators-say-official-story-was-lie/#comments-wrapper

  15. “The video shows a young man who allegedly jumped a turnstile sitting in the middle of a train car. Passengers quickly move out of the way as the NYPD officers outside of the car point their guns toward the young man.”

    I’m strongly against police using force, but this type of video is the new trend where we see a portion of an incident, journalists do write-ups of it, and outrage ensues.

    Get the whole video, show exactly what happened, and then write about it if need be. This article is entirely pointless because it states that police were informed he had a gun by the witness that alerted them. If you’re a cop chasing a guy that is supposedly brandishing a firearm you’re not going to casually stroll up to him and say “Sup dude”.

    You can do better than this Reason. Your actions bring great shame upon you and your families.

    1. “”but this type of video is the new trend where we see a portion of an incident, journalists do write-ups of it, and outrage ensues. “”

      Yep.

      “”When officers approached the man in question, he fled into a subway station and onto a train to escape. Minutes later, officers at the next station took him into custody.”””

      So he was already running from the cops.

      If he would have stopped when they first went after him, they probably would have written a summons.

  16. The NYPD’s increased presence on the New York subway has many wondering about the resources dedicated to stop petty crimes.

    It’s a pretty crime until it happens to you.

  17. The amount we pay in taxes (in so many places) for the Subway plus the actual fare (in addition to the upcoming congestion pricing), the subways should be run better and cleaner. But thanks to comrade de blasio, the subways are now full of homeless, beggars, and filth. Yes – make sure people pay the fare, but you don’t need 20 cops to swarm the train for one guy.

  18. Don’t they have cameras in every car? School buses often have them.

    1. They do not.

  19. Zuri,

    I was on the J train in Brooklyn Saturday night with my girlfriend when all of the passengers got off and across from us was yes, another young man who probably jumped the turnstile who began to stare me down. He began reviewing something in his backpack (highly doubt College textbooks!) and began to act erratically. Making howling noises, jumping up and down the car, trying to intimidate us. In that instant with adrenaline running I calculated every potential outcome and we ran out at the next stop. Any altercation even a defensive strike would’ve ruined my life in New York City. Zuri, would you say I should’ve asked him about the NAP in that moment? Should I ask him if he had a God-given, or secular right to have whatever he had in that backpack? Sorry, but libertarians shouldn’t clickbait in support of theft of services and criminality.

  20. Can anyone tell me where the libertarians have fled to?

    I see a lot of “law and order” types posting messages here. They seem to be under the impression that we’re not aware of how strict enforcement works.

    1. Took the words right out of my mouth, fuck these bootlickers.

      1. You’re bootlicking on the side of delinquents. Do you ride the subway often?

  21. Hey! Democratically subsidized Democrat and Republican politicians handed those cops loaded service pistols and told them to go out ‘n GIT them scofflaws! If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band).
    If, in defending his property, he should frighten any of our band who are assisting you, shoot him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Oops… wrong century!

  22. “Any arrests made by the detail are fruitless, as the Manhattan district attorney has already promised to not prosecute this low-level crime.”

    And one of the links says even deBlasio thinks that’s going too far, that fare evaders *should* be prosecuted.

    The link blames the MTA for the unavailability of statistics on which proportion of fare evaders belong to which groups, so they make the default assumption that every group commits fare evasion in the same proportion and that the large number of arrests of blacks and hispanics on that charge simply indicates racism.

    Although I wouldn’t surprised to find officials in a Democratic city being racist, even Democrats are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

  23. NY is just another third world Sh*t hole run by cultural Marxists. Somewhat of a fascist overreaction for the arrest of a petty criminal who was, sitting on a subway bench seat with his hands up. Likely for the crime of being black. We are officially a police state thanks to “progressive”, policies that pontificate tolerance and then do the complete opposite. Our society and culture are rotting in front of our eyes.

  24. The real problem is people calling the police on people with guns who are otherwise lawabiding (or at least in this case, committing petty crimes like avoiding fare).

    Although even then, the problem is police overreacting to people with guns. But that’s probably not going to change. What has changed it people calling cops on people with guns more often.

  25. Notice how they all made a circle around the officers taking down the guy? Like they were shielding the officers who took him down? So easily and well-rehearsed it’s like they do it every time? I used to think back up was for protection from the suspect’s violent behavior but I was naive. Back up is for protection of the officers from the consequences of their own violent behavior.

  26. When i used to ride the MAX in Oregon the light rail operated on the Honor System, You purchased a ticket and took the receipt as proof of paying the fare. There would be occasional sweeps by the police to enforce the law. One day, at an end of the line terminus the police were waiting and as you exited you showed your pass or receipt, if you could not produce either, you were sent to a holding area. One passenger was furious that the police had sent mostly minority people to the holding area as obvious proof of racism.

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