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Police Abuse

NYPD Officers Pointed Guns Inside a Busy Subway Car in an Arrest Caught on Camera

The NYPD's increased presence on the New York subway has many wondering about the resources dedicated to stop petty crimes.

Zuri Davis | 10.29.2019 10:15 AM

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A video that went viral over the weekend has led to criticisms over the New York Police Department's arrest of a teenager on the subway.

Elad Nehorai shared a video on Twitter that was partially captioned, "In case you're wondering how an arrest in NYC goes down." The video shows a young man who allegedly jumped a turnstile sitting in the middle of a train car. Passengers quickly move out of the way as the NYPD officers outside of the car point their guns toward the young man. The young man is seen putting his hands up in surrender. When the doors finally open, multiple NYPD officers board the train to bring the lone teenager to the ground and arrest him.

The incident occurred at the Franklin Avenue station in Brooklyn.

https://twitter.com/PopChassid/status/1187838293104304130

The NYPD responded to the incident, saying, "What the video doesn't show is a credible witness alerting our officers to a man brandishing a gun. When officers approached the man in question, he fled into a subway station and onto a train to escape. Minutes later, officers at the next station took him into custody."

Nehorai explained that he noted this in the thread. He added that he took issue with the police response because the young man was cooperating. He also took issue with the officers' decision to point weapons at innocent civilians.

By Tuesday, Fox 5 New York reported that the teen did not have a weapon.

Observers have criticized the police response, as well as cops' increased presence in subway stations—part of a recent push to catch more fare-beaters.

The NYPD unveiled a "Transit High Visibility Detail" in March. The detail consists of police officers who generally work desk duty who have been reassigned to patrol various subway stations to scare off potential fare-evaders. Any arrests made by the detail are fruitless, as the Manhattan district attorney has already promised to not prosecute this low-level crime.

The arrests that have been made so far have also received heavy public scrutiny, with many asking why so many resources are being dedicated to arresting New Yorkers over a $2.75 fare. The Marshall Project, a criminal justice-focused nonprofit journalism operation, has also criticized the added police presence, noting racial disparities in arrests.

Another police-involved incident on the subway, which is still unfolding, has also called the NYPD's conduct into question. A Friday video shows an officer punching two teenagers while the officers' colleagues attempt to break up a fight at the Jay Street/Metrotech Station in Brooklyn.

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  1. John   6 years ago

    I don't know about pulling guns, but I want resources directed at stopping petty crimes. They are still crimes. Fuck people who rip off the subway system and otherwise steal and cause problems.

    1. MatthewSlyfield   6 years ago

      Unless you are willing/want to see people killed over petty crimes, you need to come up with a better solution than sending armed police to deal with it.

      1. Maksim Vitorgan   6 years ago

        So we should only have laws that carry the death penalty. That eliminates even murder in Reasonland.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   6 years ago

          Or disarm the police.

          1. LiborCon   6 years ago

            How are the police supposed to confiscate our guns if you disarm them?

        2. Rossami   6 years ago

          Every law carries the potential for the death penalty. That's the point. Ask Eric Garner if you disagree.

          So, yeah, we should only criminalize the things that actually deserve that.

          1. Maksim Vitorgan   6 years ago

            You just repeated exactly what I said. Since you don't support the death penalty for rape or murder I'd say it's pretty safe to say that petty theft certainly wouldn't qualify. Your logical consistency leads to a justice system that's pretty fucked though.

          2. John   6 years ago

            So what? Enforcing law is hard but it is still better than not enforcing the law at all.

          3. BigT   6 years ago

            Enforcing the law on petty crimes sets the tone for reducing more serious offenses. An arrest may be overkill, but maybe a ‘parking’ type ticket would be a suitable message w/o the potential for violence.

            1. D-Pizzle   6 years ago

              "May be overkill?" You think?

      2. John   6 years ago

        No, we have cops who enforce the law without killing people. But we absolutely have them enforce the law. You don't have a right to steal from the subway system and you deserved to be prosecuted if you do. Fuck you and every other thief who thinks stealing is okay.

        1. D-Pizzle   6 years ago

          Not arrested and prosecuted. I think a ticket a la other civil infractions is adequate. Sometimes cops enforce the law without killing people, but sometimes not.

      3. Rufus T. Firefly.   6 years ago

        No one is going to get killed over a "petty" crime. If you get caught, then just listen to the commands given to you and everything will be good to go. Or, you can just not do crime. But of course libertarians on Reason are always silent when it comes to the NAP.

        1. Zeb   6 years ago

          People do get killed over petty crimes.

          Not sure what your point about the NAP is. Libertarians on Reason never shut up about the NAP. Which also applies to the police.

        2. Halykan   6 years ago

          Plenty of people have gotten killed over petty crimes while attempting to comply with the commands given to them. There's a whole litany of these cases.

          And the NAP definitely comes up a lot around here. It's important to note that it also applies to the cops.

    2. OsamasPornStache   6 years ago

      Fair jumpers cost an estimated 500K each day to the transit system which is no wonder why its in the deplorable state we find it in. This is the first time I'm not all that upset with the cops.

      1. Hit and Run   6 years ago

        For your numbers to be true, you'd need 180k jumpers per day. MTA says between 2 and 5 million per day, so 3-8% consistently as fare jumpers? Just not buying it...

        1. John   6 years ago

          I am. 3-8% of people will take something for free where there is no penalty for doing so? I am surprised it isn't higher. The fact that it isn't is a tribute to the honesty of the people of New York.

          1. Chipper Jones   6 years ago

            Many of those people would just walk rather than pay the $2.75, and you'd need to confiscate the wealth of about 10 million fare jumpers in order to fund the ridiculously inefficient MTA.

            1. John   6 years ago

              They stole the ride. You are not confiscating the wealth by making them pay for it. If they would rather walk, then they should do so.

              I don't care how inefficient the MTA is. That doesn't give people the right to steal from it.

              1. Chipper Jones   6 years ago

                You're not wrong, I'm just saying that the severe financial problems of the MTA are not the result of a small percentage of free rides. I'm also saying that I doubt that reducing the number of fare jumpers to zero would have a material effect on anything.

      2. IamNotEvil   6 years ago

        It's NYC, the subway should be classed as a public service and funded through some sort of tax on everybody. (like they think health care and schools should be)

        1. Just the Tip   6 years ago

          It's called the MTA tax , where businesses operating within the MTA zone pay an additional ~29% surcharge on NY state taxes. So yeah, I'd say it's paid for by everyone in the local area.

      3. ipsquire   6 years ago

        If only the government had some way to predict that more people would ride trains than pay for it - like an estimate or something they could use to set the fares actually paid to match expenses. Math sure is hard.

        1. John   6 years ago

          Yeah because having a system where you expect people to pay for something but you enforce no penalty for taking it for free is going to work so well. Apparently reality is really fucking hard for some people.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 years ago

      I'd rather they go after the big theives in the Metro. You know the government who robs people to fund them.

      1. John   6 years ago

        Good for you. In the mean time, fuck you and stop stealing. I don't give a flying fuck how hard they go after people who steal. Sorry you are a bum and think stealing is okay.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 years ago

          I never said stealing was ok. Fuck off asshole. Just rather they went after the thieves at Metro harder then the thieves stealing a $2.50 ride. You must be a friend of Jack Evans, sorry he may not be able to attend your DC cocktail parties for much longer; but he'll probably get off and get a nice pension after bilking the tax payer.

          1. Rufus T. Firefly.   6 years ago

            Yeah, it's just $2.50. How much is that times per day, per month and annually? I wait your answer.

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 years ago

              Don't know, don't care. Wouldn't be my problem if the government got the fuck out of the transportation business. Damn never thought that would be controversial. Let me guess your upset the train from SF and LA got canceled? Sorry but Trump was right to end that monstrosity, shit even CA didn't want it even though they wanted it if someone else paid for.

    4. SIV   6 years ago

      Reason supports free public transportation.

      1. Halykan   6 years ago

        Pretty sure that's literally never been their stance. The transportation group's mantra is "user pays!" regardless of the method in question.

    5. SimonP   6 years ago

      Don't you worry! Police can still issue tickets to turnstile-jumpers. It's just not something the whole criminal justice system gets into.

    6. Robert   6 years ago

      They're not stealing anything. The trains cost the same amount to operate, and they still run. Nobody's kicked off a train for a fare beater.

      I'm for anyone "stealing" from government. The government's going to steal all they can from you regardless. I don't begrudge anyone getting back more than they were "supposed" to.

      1. John   6 years ago

        So I can just come and stay in your spare room. It is not like you are using it. Or just borrow your car at night when you are asleep.

        They are stealing it. And it is not okay to steal from the government anymore than it is okay for me to steal from you.

        1. Robert   6 years ago

          No, because my spare room was legitimately acquired by me, as was my car, whose upkeep I pay for. I didn't have to tax anyone or use eminent domain to acquire them.

    7. 0x1000   6 years ago

      …And there's John, right on time to suck up to the establishment.

    8. agricola   6 years ago

      how utterly stupid c a n you be? so there is nothing better than pointing guns over $3? The subway night as well be free for the cost of that collection. What if somebody gets killed or shot? To "enforce" an offense against fare evasion the cost greatly outweighs the benefit, which is none at all. City transportation is like streetlights or a moving sidewalk: it's just part of the municipal environment. It is an outrageous waste of time to pay $3 each time I want to ride the subway, and I am often missing trains because I have to get a ticket or go through a turnstile. Just because a system develops one way doesn't mean it has to be frozen in rmtime forever.

    9. D-Pizzle   6 years ago

      Ticketing would be adequate. Arrests...not so much.

  2. Atlas_Shrugged   6 years ago

    What an f'in mess. I ride the E-Train a lot. Not surprised that a passel of NYC's finest is there. Next time, don't do the crime. Turnstile jumping is theft.

    1. John   6 years ago

      Bingo. Since when are enforcing actual crimes something libertarians object?

      1. Dillinger   6 years ago

        >>actual crimes something libertarians object

        may look at the "actual crime" more lightly

        1. Hit and Run   6 years ago

          Could 2 cops with no guns drawn have been at least as effective? Libertarians say yes.

          1. ipsquire   6 years ago

            Not just libertarians. Everyone but boot-lickers and bed-wetters (sorry to disparage the brave but incontinent).

          2. BigT   6 years ago

            The action and punishment should fit the level of the crime. No guns drawn, but more than one donut-eater.

      2. Rufus T. Firefly.   6 years ago

        The ones that selectively apply NAP, or don't know what NAP is.

    2. Metazoan   6 years ago

      Same, as a fellow E rider I agree completely.

      1. Metazoan   6 years ago

        That said, though, I imagine a citation or something like it is more appropriate than an arrest (if for nothing else than to save taxpayer money).

        1. Atlas_Shrugged   6 years ago

          Yeah....good luck trying to collect on that fine, considering the perp. I totally hear you about citation/appropriateness, but then it collides with reality.

          1. BigT   6 years ago

            Fingerprint and facial recognition should help. Tie drivers licenses or utilities bills to it. Voila!

            1. Rufus T. Firefly.   6 years ago

              Do you really think that is public policy that NYC would seriously consider? Think this this stuff through to its logical conclusion. I know you can do it.

              1. Atlas_Shrugged   6 years ago

                Yeah, I kind of had the same reaction. Dumbass DeBlasio implementing that? No f'in way. But it was a good idea.

    3. Robert   6 years ago

      What's being stolen from whom? How did the party being stolen from come by that property?

  3. Juice   6 years ago

    Hey, like that scene in Joker.

    1. BigT   6 years ago

      The unwatchable joke of a movie.

  4. Longtobefree   6 years ago

    " . . . point weapons at innocent civilians."

    Nope. 'fraid not.
    There are no innocent civilians, just 'us' and 'them'.

  5. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   6 years ago

    Who will be first to promise spending $100B federally to make all public transit FREE, Bernie or Lizzie?

    That's the only solution to these turnstile jumpers!

    1. Hit and Run   6 years ago

      Stunning and brave turnstile jumpers.

  6. bvandyke   6 years ago

    Doesn't seem to be economically sound. Arresting someone for not paying a $2.75 fair? I know the cops are on the clock but the man hours required for arresting someone that will never be booked has to cost way more than $2.75. Seems like the tax payers monies would be better spend in other places.

    1. Mr. Tibbs   6 years ago

      You think the only reason to catch any particular fare jumper is to collect $2.75?

      1. BigT   6 years ago

        Course not. Get em in the database.

      2. Shadow_Rider   6 years ago

        I think he's going for a cost benefit analysis, which the city clearly has not done. How many goons had their guns drawn? How many bystanders were traced? How many lawsuits will they have to settle (presuit usually)? None of this, nor the alleged crime justifies the response from a cost perspective. The risks are too high - financially, morally, and Frankly my dear I don't give a damn.

        1. Nardz   6 years ago

          Well, if they execute the next fare skipper immediately upon arrest and in front of lots of people, that may have the deterrent effect that seems to be the goal...

    2. SimpleRules   6 years ago

      You are correct, all items valued less than $2.75 should be free. Walmart opens at 7 AM.

  7. TripK2   6 years ago

    I don’t know if they should have had their firearms out, but this dude did commit a theft by jumping the turnstile. Seems to me that kicking him out of the subway would be a more reasonable response than arresting him over $2.75 though. Probably less costly for the taxpayer too.

    1. 0x1000   6 years ago

      From whom did he steal, and what?

      1. TripK2   6 years ago

        He stole from the subway system. He stole operational costs without paying for them.

  8. Dillinger   6 years ago

    for everyone's $2.75/per those trains should be cleaner

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      For the amount I spend in NY city and state tax, you would think the streets could be cleaner.

      It's hard to keep it clean when people treat the streets like a garbage can. Same with the subway.

      1. Atlas_Shrugged   6 years ago

        Vic....You ride the E train? OMG, the f'in stories I can tell from just watching people. Honestly, people have no idea what NYC cops deal with on a daily basis.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

          I do, but not that often. I'm on the 4 or 5 from Grand Central to 125th every work day.

          My boss had a story where there were train issues on the 1 train and the train he was on did one of the first car pulls into the station and anyone who wants off has to walk to the first car. He was walking through and there was a crowd of people at one of the doors between the cars. People didn't seem to want to go through, but a few did. He said screw it and walked through finding out why people were not wanting to go into the next car. There were piles of human shit on the floor. He said it was like walking a mine field.

          Someone on Facebook posted a MTA alert saying a train was put out of service due to sanitation reasons. I suspect it was similar.

          The governor is somewhat involved and sent teams from the ODTA to force the homeless into either a shelter, or an involuntary hospital visit. Cuomo is pulling a Giuliani and I haven't seen one word of it in the media.

          ""Honestly, people have no idea what NYC cops deal with on a daily basis.""

          This is very true. It doesn't excuse some of the behavior by the cops though. But I get their frustration.

          1. Atlas_Shrugged   6 years ago

            There were piles of human shit on the floor. He said it was like walking a mine field. This is got to be the #2 train. You can literally smell that f'in train coming in. I just feel bad for the tourists who hop on the #2 from Javits. Sort of like, "Welcome to NYC, fool". 🙂

            1. Juice   6 years ago

              “Welcome to NYC, fool”.

              That really should be that 3rd world city's motto.

            2. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

              Maybe they shouldn’t call it the #2 train.

  9. Chris_Virginia   6 years ago

    I had a Metro officer in DC tell me that I could just walk out of the station without paying. (Folks were backed up trying to get out of the station to the Nationals game) But I still paid.

    That might have been because I was in DC, rather than Maryland or Virginia. DC decriminalized fare evasion.

  10. Verbum Vincet   6 years ago

    Don't point your weapon at anything you do not fully intend to kill. Gun safety 101. And what makes a 'credible witness?' With the way things are headed ('Red Flag' tyranny) that's a question that should concern us all!

    At least we can be grudgingly thankful that NYPDs 'Transit High Visibility Detail' is...well, 'highly visibile.' What Attorney General Barr and the nation's law enforcers are presently doing in the dark should have every American gravely concerned:

    Read the memo yourself:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6509496-Attorney-General-Memo-Implementation-of-National.html?embed=true&responsive=false&sidebar=false

    AG Barr [has been prepping] attorneys, law enforcement and the Justice Dept for the imminent implementation of a new “national disruption and early engagement program" aimed at detecting potential mass shooters before they commit any crime. Pre-crime is here folks, and to be sure, 'credible (and wholly ANONYMOUS and/or fabricated) witnesses' will play a heroic role here, just like in Nazi Germany! Remember 'Parallel Construction?'

    This memo came out two weeks ago. I was really hoping Reason would cover this, because the MSM has completely ignored it (apart from HuffPo, which unsurprisingly, enthusiastically supports the idea) so I emailed them a tip. The Feds have been working on this classified program, under the guise of 'national security' of course, for at least a decade that I personally know of. In that time, I've been doing my level best to alert true Constitutional patriots to this threat. Americans either cannot or simply do not want to believe it. Well, how about now?

    FYI, the East German Secret Police - the dreaded Stasi - had a similar, but far less technologically advanced program, called 'Zersetzung.'

    1. De Oppresso Liber   6 years ago

      People are going to have to decide which is ickier: giving up or amending 2a or giving up 4a. Letting the trend of mass shooting continue is not sustainable. The people are demanding action, and no one is offering a good solution.

      1. Chipper Jones   6 years ago

        Giving up 2A means giving up 4A if we haven't already. You think cops won't see, in "plain view," that other illegal shit you have in your house when they go searching for the guns?

        1. Longtobefree   6 years ago

          No, I don't think they will see anything.
          The next group maybe - - - - - -

  11. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    What the video doesn't show is a credible witness alerting our officers to a man brandishing a gun.

    I have a doubt.

    He also took issue with the officers' decision to point weapons at innocent civilians.

    Innocent? You're either blue or you're not blue. There is no innocent.

  12. Unicorn Abattoir   6 years ago

    The arrests that have been made so far have also received heavy public scrutiny, with many asking why so many resources are being dedicated to arresting New Yorkers over a $2.75 fare.

    Eric Garner was unavailable for comment.

  13. Maksim Vitorgan   6 years ago

    He was a good boy, he dindu nuthin'

  14. Rossami   6 years ago

    Why do I doubt the existence of this convenient "credible witness"? Am I just getting cynical in my old age?

    1. darkflame   6 years ago

      naw, that was my first thought too. Course, we've had so many "credible" anonymous witnesses these last 3 years with Trump, not to mention the nonexistent CI in the murder of that Houston couple this year.

    2. Tony   6 years ago

      Adjectives are weapons in police arsenal.

    3. D-Pizzle   6 years ago

      "He's coming right at us!"

  15. Wise Old Fool   6 years ago

    Come on reason, I want the police forces to return to "protect and serve" instead of "punch and cover up" as much as the next libertarian, but once someone says they see a guy with a gun? fuck that, it's pile on time. This was obviously an over reaction though, what do they think this is high school football pile on? lol . Also there is nothing wrong with upping the police patrols for muggings and petty crimes. WTF else are the cops for? Not everything is a homicide.

    1. darkflame   6 years ago

      Did someone say there was a gun? Cause all we have to go on is the cops' word for that, and after the last few years of politics, I'm not too trusting when it comes to government. And of course, the police would never LIE to cover up mistakes.... right? https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/26/two-people-were-killed-botched-drug-raid-investigators-say-official-story-was-lie/#comments-wrapper

  16. icannotread   6 years ago

    "The video shows a young man who allegedly jumped a turnstile sitting in the middle of a train car. Passengers quickly move out of the way as the NYPD officers outside of the car point their guns toward the young man."

    I'm strongly against police using force, but this type of video is the new trend where we see a portion of an incident, journalists do write-ups of it, and outrage ensues.

    Get the whole video, show exactly what happened, and then write about it if need be. This article is entirely pointless because it states that police were informed he had a gun by the witness that alerted them. If you're a cop chasing a guy that is supposedly brandishing a firearm you're not going to casually stroll up to him and say "Sup dude".

    You can do better than this Reason. Your actions bring great shame upon you and your families.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      ""but this type of video is the new trend where we see a portion of an incident, journalists do write-ups of it, and outrage ensues. ""

      Yep.

      ""When officers approached the man in question, he fled into a subway station and onto a train to escape. Minutes later, officers at the next station took him into custody."""

      So he was already running from the cops.

      If he would have stopped when they first went after him, they probably would have written a summons.

  17. Homple   6 years ago

    The NYPD's increased presence on the New York subway has many wondering about the resources dedicated to stop petty crimes.

    It's a pretty crime until it happens to you.

  18. Rich10011   6 years ago

    The amount we pay in taxes (in so many places) for the Subway plus the actual fare (in addition to the upcoming congestion pricing), the subways should be run better and cleaner. But thanks to comrade de blasio, the subways are now full of homeless, beggars, and filth. Yes - make sure people pay the fare, but you don't need 20 cops to swarm the train for one guy.

  19. BigT   6 years ago

    Don’t they have cameras in every car? School buses often have them.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      They do not.

  20. Operator Six   6 years ago

    Zuri,

    I was on the J train in Brooklyn Saturday night with my girlfriend when all of the passengers got off and across from us was yes, another young man who probably jumped the turnstile who began to stare me down. He began reviewing something in his backpack (highly doubt College textbooks!) and began to act erratically. Making howling noises, jumping up and down the car, trying to intimidate us. In that instant with adrenaline running I calculated every potential outcome and we ran out at the next stop. Any altercation even a defensive strike would’ve ruined my life in New York City. Zuri, would you say I should’ve asked him about the NAP in that moment? Should I ask him if he had a God-given, or secular right to have whatever he had in that backpack? Sorry, but libertarians shouldn’t clickbait in support of theft of services and criminality.

  21. Tony   6 years ago

    Can anyone tell me where the libertarians have fled to?

    I see a lot of "law and order" types posting messages here. They seem to be under the impression that we're not aware of how strict enforcement works.

    1. DastardlyDick   6 years ago

      Took the words right out of my mouth, fuck these bootlickers.

      1. Operator Six   6 years ago

        You’re bootlicking on the side of delinquents. Do you ride the subway often?

  22. Hank Phillips   6 years ago

    Hey! Democratically subsidized Democrat and Republican politicians handed those cops loaded service pistols and told them to go out 'n GIT them scofflaws! If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band).
    If, in defending his property, he should frighten any of our band who are assisting you, shoot him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that "our country" is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and "save the country," cost what it may. Oops... wrong century!

  23. Eddy   6 years ago

    "Any arrests made by the detail are fruitless, as the Manhattan district attorney has already promised to not prosecute this low-level crime."

    And one of the links says even deBlasio thinks that's going too far, that fare evaders *should* be prosecuted.

    The link blames the MTA for the unavailability of statistics on which proportion of fare evaders belong to which groups, so they make the default assumption that every group commits fare evasion in the same proportion and that the large number of arrests of blacks and hispanics on that charge simply indicates racism.

    Although I wouldn't surprised to find officials in a Democratic city being racist, even Democrats are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

  24. Pedro Martinez   6 years ago

    NY is just another third world Sh*t hole run by cultural Marxists. Somewhat of a fascist overreaction for the arrest of a petty criminal who was, sitting on a subway bench seat with his hands up. Likely for the crime of being black. We are officially a police state thanks to "progressive", policies that pontificate tolerance and then do the complete opposite. Our society and culture are rotting in front of our eyes.

  25. JeremyR   6 years ago

    The real problem is people calling the police on people with guns who are otherwise lawabiding (or at least in this case, committing petty crimes like avoiding fare).

    Although even then, the problem is police overreacting to people with guns. But that's probably not going to change. What has changed it people calling cops on people with guns more often.

  26. Trainer   6 years ago

    Notice how they all made a circle around the officers taking down the guy? Like they were shielding the officers who took him down? So easily and well-rehearsed it's like they do it every time? I used to think back up was for protection from the suspect's violent behavior but I was naive. Back up is for protection of the officers from the consequences of their own violent behavior.

  27. Peter   6 years ago

    When i used to ride the MAX in Oregon the light rail operated on the Honor System, You purchased a ticket and took the receipt as proof of paying the fare. There would be occasional sweeps by the police to enforce the law. One day, at an end of the line terminus the police were waiting and as you exited you showed your pass or receipt, if you could not produce either, you were sent to a holding area. One passenger was furious that the police had sent mostly minority people to the holding area as obvious proof of racism.

  28. Rufus T. Firefly.   6 years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqlh_Q3IFE

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