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Roku Bans Alex Jones, InfoWars from Streaming Platform

Yes, the paranoid lunatic is a mega-troll, but the beauty of new media means never having to engage stuff you find awful or offensive.

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Roku's digital media players let users stream all sorts of channels and sites on their TVs. Amazon Video, Netflix, Hulu, and thousands of other channels flow through it in households all over the country.

Now Roku is getting into the deplatforming game:

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It should go without saying that Roku, as a private business, has the right to bounce whomever they want. But as with similar actions at places such as Twitter, Facebook, and Patreon, I think this sort of decision is a troubling sign of a crackdown taking place throughout online media. Nobody would assume that Roku's owners, employees, or shareholders were supporting InfoWars' most infamous host, Alex Jones, as he spins wild conspiracy theories and screams at a pile of dog shit. And the way Roku works, you never have to see anything you don't want—it's a strong "pull" platform, meaning the user has to seek channels out. Assuming you do somehow run into content you find offensive, you can make sure you never see it again.

That's part of the magic of most new media, and it's a benefit that should be talked about more. You really can ignore that which you find awful, for whatever reason. Across various platforms, I don't think I've ever encountered anything by Alex Jones or his pals unless I purposefully searched for it. When it comes to producing and consuming content online, the rule is from each according to his psychosis, to each according to his taste.

A better policy for the big social media platforms, I think, is to ban only stuff that is clearly illegal, such as true threats. This sort of censorious behavior starts with the Alex Joneses of the world, but mission creep inevitably sets in and more scalps get taken. New media platforms give us access to virtually whatever we want, but they also give us near-complete control of our user experience. It's a shame to start winnowing down options just because some content makers are sad sacks of shit.

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  1. There’s stuff a lot worse than Alex Jones on Roku if you poke about. Conspiracy sites that make him look positively sane in comparison. Hell, there’s all the pr0n in the world, you just need to know the codes to enter. Yes, porn. It’s hidden but it’s there.

    1. There’s stuff a lot worse than Alex Jones on Roku if you poke about.

      Pics or gtfo

    2. It’s not about vulgarity and Nick knows it. These activists aren’t trying to protect their own eyes and ears. They want his political message not to be heard by anyone. Ditto with Sargon of Akkad, for the high crime of criticizing social justice.

      1. Yet if some social conservative complained about too many trannies on TV, the Left would respond: “Just change the channel then.” The hypocrisy is delicious

        1. By “the Left” do you mean Nick and every writer at Reason? We don’t even need to pretend in that case. Recall the difference in reaction from the writers when the NFL banned flag kneeling and then applauded censorship of Alex Jones and whoever the baddie du jour was on social media.

          If they had just kept their position with regards to the flag protest and remained consistent, Nick wouldn’t look like such a dolt.

          1. That you would call anyone a dolt is hilarious. Why don’t you look up irony while you’re looking up dummy.

            1. OK, Sparky

                    1. I’m the only one allowed to be a whiny crybaby cunt around here!

                    2. Are you all Hihn?

                    3. No. I’m Crusty and Me. I’m surprised no one ever picked that up.

                    4. Can we all agree not to mention its name?

                      I fear the Candyman effect

          2. By “the Left” do you mean Nick and every writer at Reason?

            Nick and the TreasonNN writers are not-so-secret leftists? Interesting.

          3. If they had just kept their position with regards to the flag protest and remained consistent, Nick wouldn’t look like such a dolt.

            Did Nick really applaud the deplatforming of Alex Jones? Every article I recall was similar to the one above…Namely, “I don’t agree at all with Alex Jones, and private companies can do what they want, but we don’t think it was a good decision.”

            Likewise, I seem to remember the articles about flag kneeling to be more along the lines with “Private companies can do what they want, but we don’t think the message is that bad and it’s a bad idea to be censorious anyways.”

            Other than them finding one set of content better than another, as far as I remember, their message has been pretty consistent- “Private companies are free to censor, but they shouldn’t”.

            Do you have some examples?

            1. No he doesn’t have examples because he’s nothing more than a whiny bitch.

              1. Hush. The adults are talking. It may be a shock to you, but not every internet conversation needs to be some digital facsimile of baboons mooning each other.

      2. > Ditto with Sargon of Akkad

        Hasn’t he been dead for several millenia?

  2. OT: While I thought Louis C.K. was funny, I never thought he was some sort of a comedic God. However, I am really enjoying defiant Louis: Louis C.K. Jokes About Sexually Harassing Women: ‘I Like to Jerk Off, and I Don’t Like Being Alone’

    Instead, C.K. doubled down on jokes about “retarded” kids, rehashing the fact that he was once sent to a summer camp for these children. A woman sitting at the table next to me, said afterward that she works with disabled kids. She wasn’t offended, but said it seemed like he didn’t know what he was talking about, like he had no idea what that community actually deals with. Her date said that his baby had actually died, so C.K.’s bit about dead babies also didn’t go over that well with him. They weren’t offended, they just didn’t think it was funny.

    1. Since everything is white or black, either you are on Team Louis or Team Judd and Pete

      1. Well, as far as stand-up goes, I’m definitely not going to be on team Apatow/Holmes.

        1. You heard it, Sarwark supports sex offender Louis CK

          1. Does it cause you physical pain to be so seriously unfunny?

            1. Shouldn’t you be harassing Cathy or something, Sparky?

              1. Are you gonna cry harder now?

                1. Sorry, but when my diabeetus flares up I get super bitchy and need to throw shit all over the place.

                  1. Also, I hate Reason because they wouldn’t talk about my mommy so I decide to shit all over the place.

                    1. Also, my husband is the bestest man ever and I’m mad at Reason because they wouldn’t talk about his mommy so I shit all over the place.

                    2. Also, I’m super gay and Reason isn’t safe for super gay commenters anymore so I come back just to shit all over the place.

                    3. Also, I’m really only good at doing what I’m told so when my glib buddies command me to I come here and shit all over the place.

                    4. Haha, did Tulpa get banned by the Glibs? I guess they don’t tolerate ass burgers.

                    5. That would explain why you came back Sparky.

                    6. You’re going off the rails, Sparky.

                    7. You’re going off the rails, Sparky.

                      Meh, there never were any rails to be honest.

                    8. I never sock. I’ve said so many times. Ypu’re not saying I lied, and compromised what my principles are you?

    2. Oh, forgot the most relevant section of the Beast article:

      “I like to jerk off, and I don’t like being alone.

      Simple and without a trace of apology; it good a good laugh.

      He made people laugh in a comedy club.

      1. Seems he’s learned from recent events that appeasement doesn’t work and he will never be forgiven for the jerking off incident. Once you’ve been excommunicated from a cult you’ve got nothing more to lose by ripping on them. I like where this is going and hope he can help make comedy great again.

  3. Visa, Mastercard and Paypal are private companies, so if they collude and make it impossible for you to transact…

    1. This sort of censorious behavior starts with the Alex Joneses of the world, but mission creep inevitably sets in and more scalps get taken.

      Nick, baby, the “other” or “more” scalps are already being taken. Alex Jones getting deplatformed is yesterday’s news. Perfectly reasonable people who aren’t even in the country of conspiracy theorists, let alone the ballpark are being deplatformed by major payment processors. I respectfully ask Reason publish a deep-think article on this. It’s a worthwhile subject.

      1. Reason needs someone on the culture war beat, and Robby does a mediocre job at it, also college is too narrow in scope. I have to go to Quillette or Tim Pool for that stuff.

        1. I like Tim Pool. He’s a lefty who generally gets it and isn’t afraid to look at the problems of his own side. In spite of him being a “Bernie bro” he would make Reason significantly more libertarian and raise their integrity if hired. It’s sad that he better serves Reason’s mission statement than most writers here.

      2. Nick, baby, the “other” or “more” scalps are already being taken. Alex Jones getting deplatformed is yesterday’s news. Perfectly reasonable people who aren’t even in the country of conspiracy theorists, let alone the ballpark are being deplatformed by major payment processors. I respectfully ask Reason publish a deep-think article on this. It’s a worthwhile subject.

        It’s a fat fucking lie. The only way Alex Jones is the first scalp is if you torture yourself with an exceedingly convoluted Constitutional/Not Constitutional Public/Private byzantine bullshit. Alex Jones was ‘deplatformed’ in 08-2018, but gun channels and gun videos have been getting demonetized and yanked down regularly since at least Sandy Hook. Youtube loudly and proudly took down bump stock videos after the Las Vegas shooting.

        If, as you indicated by widening the net to payment systems, between Paypal and AWS, Wikimedia was the first scalping and Alex Jones is just one of the others.

        1. And speaking of worthwhile subjects, that Vegas shooter–who dripped fieldcraft and first responder connections–has evaporated from the news like an Al Gore masseuse.


          1. And speaking of worthwhile subjects, that Vegas shooter–who dripped fieldcraft and first responder connections–has evaporated from the news like an Al Gore masseuse.

            It’s in the interest of the big Vegas players to evaporate that story since the entire city runs on tourism. Or at least that’s the most logical excuse for that story being buried that I’ve heard so far. Who really knows the truth of it.

            1. Or at least that’s the most logical excuse for that story being buried that I’ve heard so far. Who really knows the truth of it.

              I would buy that in combination with the fact that all the questions people want answered are/were going to be too complicated for any given news cycle. I admit to pretty quickly relegating any/all in depth coverage of the facts to a retrospective.

        2. It’s worse than gun channels because hey, we can all agree gun people are a little crazy. What about people that just talk about philosophy and question things like… the pay gap, or whether or not the culture is ruled by a sinister patriarchy.

          I’m firmly against any governmental action, and am suspicious (although not aggressively critical) of any government or anti-trust action. But when you have two major payment processors in the country: Mastercard and Visa, and they’re starting to refuse to process payments via any platform (Patreon, Subscribestar) based on “problematic” content from the creators that exist on these platforms, that’s a subject that’s at least worth talking about. I think the constant referencing of Alex Jones or Milo isn’t helpful at this point. It was helpful a year or two ago, but we’re way past that now. The issue has already crept well past the “crazies” and is now hitting perfeclty mainstream culture.

        3. Bitching about private businesses not liking you again. That’ll show em.

          1. You switched out of your Tulpa account?

              1. Then Tulpa is stalking me now for some reason

                  1. Sparky is Tulpa! Sparky is Tulpa!

                    1. Sense motherfucker, can you make some?

          2. Bitching about private businesses not liking you again.

            Even originally, the argument wasn’t bitching for not being liked, the bitching was for selectively enforcing contracts and/or changing contracts post hoc or otherwise against the contracts.

            1. So, not being liked. Like I said.

              1. Are you always this stupid?

              2. No, explicitly and specifically not.

                The… Contract… whether they like the person, subject, color of the sky that day, whatever or not.

  4. “A better policy for the big social media platforms, I think, is to ban only stuff that is clearly illegal, such as true threats.”

    You didn’t seem to support this position when Thaddeus Russell and PopeHat debated this topic. Me thinks they are gorging your ox now and suddenly you’ve changed your tune.

      1. You thinks?

        1. Ugh. Sparky/Tulpa is right.

          1. Grats. Now we can revel in your stupidity every time you read my name.

    1. That’s a good policy, but the Left and its puppets in Congress would never approve. Wrongthink must be deplatformed!

      I mean, it would be like if newspapers printed letters to the editor that the Left disapproved of. Anarchy would result! An occasional letter from the token gadfly gets printed, and that’s good enough to check off the free speech box. So get the fuck out!

  5. Reason, you’re going to be so amazed when they come for you, it’s frightening. Sorta like how Solzhenitsyn said the people who had it in the gulags the worst were the devote Marxists. See they were the innocent ones. Everyone else was guilty but they were there by mistake. If only Stalin knew about this!

    Eventually it will be a ‘hate crime’ to oppose the minimum wage, since well why do you hate poor people! Eventually they will come for you too. Start with Alex Jones, and Milo…. hell, even a left leaning centrist in Sargon of Akkad is now on their shit list.

    1. Milo is still going strong!

          1. *saviour

            me thinks

    2. All it took for Milo to drop off the map was actually getting heard. His only shtick was not getting heard, but once he did everyone realized he was the king of lame and no one bothered with him ever again.

      The worst thing imaginable for one of these whackadoodles is to get a platform have it be empty of everyone but their own hand picked yes men.

    3. Twitter de-platformed a bunch of anti-war libertarians about a year ago (including Scott Horton) and Reason didn’t seem to care or even mention it. They’re going to start changing their tune now, though, because sex workers are now being targeted by these social median platforms. That says a lot about their priorities.

      1. Keep whining about that. Somebody is sure to care about it eventually.

  6. As a concerned party, I wonder how long it will be until we can skip over the “can do” versus “should do” part of these debates.

  7. Couldn’t have happened to a more disgusting creep. Alex Jones is the shame of Austin–the most Libertarian town in Texas. Listen to the whiner’s screed and you NEVER hear an endorsement of a pro-choice libertarian. Jones belches a constant stream of ku-klux Tea Party paranoia that could be edited down into a 2-hour loop of hysterics. That greedy profiteers recognize in that pathetic mystic a sink of otherwise beneficial goodwill is nothing more than karma.

    1. Couldn’t have happened to a more disgusting creep.

      I’m dubious. Not because I think Jones to be a terrific guy but because I assume, and in some cases allegedly know, that cesspool to be much deeper by pretty non-partisan metrics.


    2. Alex Jones is the shame of Austin–the most Libertarian town in Texas

      No one thinks that, and in fact it is pretty close to the exact opposite of reality.

    3. “Couldn’t have happened to a more disgusting creep”
      I don’t give a shit about that.
      The obvious collusion going on between companies as diverse as Apple, Twitter, Patreon and VISA, scares me shitless, and it should scare you too Hank.
      This is a lot more than just one company deciding they don’t want his weird but legal shit on their platform anymore. This is a concerted, engineered effort to censor.

      With the Overton Window now shifting 500 miles each day, it won’t be too long before they come for you too, and you’re to dumb to see that.

  8. InfoWars’ most infamous host

    Means a lot coming from Reasons’s most unprincipled writer.

      1. At this point I’m just guessing. My principle-o-meter isn’t calibrated to distinguish between exceedingly and completely unprincipled.

      2. Nick is Setyon’s sock?

    1. Every time it feels like the outrage from both sides has hit a max, Nick come out and spits hot fire. This article isn’t it, but I feel like the dragon will be let loose in about a week.

      1. Then he’ll go right back to being a useful punk bitch for the progressives

  9. “A better policy for the big social media platforms, I think, is to ban only stuff that is clearly illegal, such as true threats. This sort of censorious behavior starts with the Alex Joneses of the world, but mission creep inevitably sets in and more scalps get taken.”

    Aside from which, as soon as the start claiming responsibility for the content, they get to be responsible for ALL of the content.
    The steps to the courthouse are going to get a lot of wear.

  10. But there are still unlimited reruns of Friends and Greys Anatomy right? Or is that Netflix. She finds it somewhere which makes life much better.

    1. But there are still unlimited reruns of Friends and Greys Anatomy right?
      Not for much longer. Friends has now been officially denounced as transphobic: https://wapo.st/2FEnOWO

      Apologies from the cast and producers are due next week.

  11. Some private universities suppress science to flatter nonsense. Conservatives seem not only not to be bothered by that but indeed go out of their way to defend and applaud such conduct.

    Some private companies desire not to be associated with right-wing nuts. Conservatives head for the fainting couches.

    Conservatives try to blackball certain ladyparts clinics (and only certain ladyparts clinics) from providing services to citizens whose health care involves government funding.

    Some private companies wish to exclude bigoted, false information from their communications platforms. Conservatives emulate snowflakes.

    Carry on, clingers. So far as your lack of principles permits, of course.

    1. You forgot to turn on your caps-lock, Kirkland.

    2. I take if you’ve never heard of the leftists at Brown pulling a study on rapid onset gender dysphoria. It was scientifically valid but gave the far left radicals a sad, so it had to go

  12. I found Alex Jones ridiculous but I love Paul Joseph Watson’s commentaries, so I just watch those.

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