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Federal Prisons Scaling Back Accommodations for Transgender Inmates

New amendments to rules default to placing prisoners on the basis of their "biological sex."

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Under Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Department of Justice continues to pull back from policies the previous administration put into place to be more accommodating to transgender people in government facilities.

This time, the Federal Bureau of Prisons is partly rolling back its accommodations for transgender prisoners. As President Barack Obama was heading out the door, the Department of Justice released a guidance calling for federal prisons to accommodate a transgender inmate's gender identity "when appropriate."

Sessions isn't completely overruling this guideline. Instead the Justice Department is telling prisons to start with the default position that "biological sex" will be used to determine whether to house an inmate with male or female prisoners.

Prisons will still have clearance to make decisions to "consider the health and safety of the transgender inmate, exploring options available to assist with mitigating risk to the transgender offender" and to consider whether placement would pose a risk to other inmates or threaten management or security of the prison.

But the changes are clearly pushing prisons to default to putting transgender women alongside men, even if those trans prisoners are essentially living as women and even taking hormones.

Of a more subtle but still significant concern, the guidance has been amended throughout to add the word "necessary" in front of all references to "medical treatment" when referring to transgender inmates' needs, suggesting that the prison bureaucracy will play a role in determining what access transgender inmates will get to health care related to their gender transitions.

This comes on the heels of a lawsuit by a pack of female prisoners in Texas, who challenged the Obama administration's guidance on the grounds that adding transgender inmates violates their privacy and mental health, increases their potential for rape, and somehow violates their rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Interestingly, the Department of Justice has essentially called bullshit on this suit in their response. The women are not even housed in the same area as any transgender inmates, and they have not previously filed any administrative complaints indicating any substantiated abuse or threats by transgender inmates, according to the Justice Department. The case was settled out of court last year but the outcome was not disclosed.

Of these two groups of inmates—cisgender women and transgender prisoners—the latter are statistically more likely to be assaulted in prison. According to the Bureau of Jail Statistics, about a third of transgender prisoners in state, federal, and local jails have reported some sort of sexual victimization in various surveys conducted from 2007 to 2012. In a 2012 prison survey, by contrast, cis women report sexual victimization rates of between 5 and 10 percent, depending on the type of detention facility. Also of note: All these numbers include victimization not just by other inmates but by prison staff.

Needless to say, that doesn't mean one group deserves protection from assault more than the other does. But one reason we should be concerned—one reason why these decisions are so significant—is because there's increased risk of assault and other sexual mistreatment when transgender women are imprisoned alongside men. You don't have to go all-in on accepting everything transgender advocates say about the validity of their gender experiences to recognize the ethical responsibility prisons have in preventing them from being sexually assaulted.

Is there a better way? Perhaps don't attempt a one-size-fits-all solution in either direction. Let's start with the assumption that a transgender person's chosen identity is not fraudulent and isn't there for the purpose of getting access to women to assault. If officials believe that they're lying or that they're otherwise a threat to other inmates, the onus should be on them to prove that individual inmates cannot be accommodated. We shouldn't be demanding that transgender prisoners prove that they're not threats in order to be accommodated.

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  1. Sessions still hasn’t watched the second episode of Atlanta, huh.

  2. No let’s start with the assumption that your genes and body define your sex and you go to prison with those of the same sex. The government is under no obligation to recognize a prisoners preceded gender any more than they are to recognize any other claim or preference.

    1. This sounds like a recipe for more prison rape.

      1. Just another meeting of Libertarians For Bigotry And Backwardness.

        1. The League Furthering Ballroom And Bossanova want their acronym back.

    2. Hell, why not claim the doctor simply assigned a birth date and claim that you are 90 years old? It would be really cruel to imprison a trans-90 year old, wouldn’t it?

    3. No, let’s start with the assumption that when you take away a person’s ability to take care of themselves, regardless of how justified you think you are, you obligate yourself to do it for them. If it’s too much trouble to protect people in your care, stop locking them up.

  3. So the transgender get the benefit of the doubt and it is up to the female prisoners to risk being victimized if the state cannot perfectly predict the future. As usual with Shackford, it is everyone else’ duty to accommodate his desires.

    1. What about XY prisoners with CAIS?

      1. What ch part of XY do you not understand?

        1. The part where it matters. The whole argument is about safety. Putting trans women in male prisons endangers them more than if they were in female prisons. Why should we worry about the small number of women who might get victimized over the larger number of trans women who already are?

          1. It endangers women to put them in women’s prisons. Putting chil molesters in prison endangers then? It comes with the territory. You just don’t care about the women endangered by transgender because caring about them does not allow you to conform and virtue signal.

            1. Do you think the much larger number of women in prisons are going to be successfully victimized by a small number of trans women who’ve already been vetted by the prison system? Crash course: social outcast attacks a normal inmate and then gets hurt by the majority. Pretending that the women in prison are special snowflakes who have no agency when one man is around is profoundly stupid.

              As for child molesters, yes, they are endangered. That’s why many of them get put in isolation of some sort. The fact that they committed a crime does not mean that we should let other inmates do as they will.

              1. I notice you’re not shilling for special trans prisons, even though that would make them ‘safer’. Interesting.

                Too much like camps, or too sensible and not disruptive enough to the system for your tastes?

                1. Too expensive. There’s no reason to build a new prison when we could achieve reasonable safety by moving them to another prison.

                  1. So expense can trump their safety, cool. Well then you just blew a big ol’ hole in your own argument since ‘women’s prisons’ are full of a bunch of violent offenders just like the men’s prison and we already know women don’t fucking like trannies in their prisons.

                    In fact, so far, have any male prisoners grouped up to get trannies kicked out of their jails? Honest question, because I haven’t heard of it if they have.

                    You’ve made an excellent case for trannies to be locked up in solitary just like child molesters, not by virtue of their crime but because everyone in jail fucking hates them. One and done, son.

                    1. No response on that one. Interesting.

          2. Putting trans women in male prisons endangers them more than if they were in female prisons.

            And?

            Not to be cruel, but plenty of people are more at risk in prison than others.

            Would you prefer a transgender only prison?

            Female prisoners not getting raped trumps a dude who thinks he is a girl today.

            1. Unless you make the (absurd) argument that transgendered women are full of mass rapists, this would result in a net reduction of prison rape. 1 female prisoner getting raped does not trump 10 trans women getting raped, and given that they almost certainly wouldn’t place someone with serious violence or sex crimes there, the ratio is likely to be even bigger towards less rape.

      2. “What about XY prisoners with CAIS?”

        How many of those are currently in the Federal system?

        1. Let me rephrase that: How many are known to be in the Federal system.

          And, of them, how many are already in a female prison unit?

          1. And, would you think an exception mandating CAIS people be placed in female units reasonable?

            1. I don’t think any mandate is acceptable. It should be up to the justice system to figure out where these people should best go, for everyone’s safety.

              1. So the DOJ is not part of the justice system?

                1. They’re not looking at safety but at appealing to their base here. I misspoke, it should be up to the courts sentencing them and then the personnel in charge of prison safety.

                  1. I think they’re just conceding that transsexuals still have a known and simple to determine sex, and since prisons are sex selected in their divisions it doesn’t really fucking matter what ‘gender’ they feel like at all and never did.

                    If your primary concern is actually their safety, we’d just do the same thing we do with other at-risk prisoners: put them in solitary. That this isn’t your solution means there’s some other consideration that hasn’t come out during all your posts.

                    I’ll be generous and assume it’s because you also think Prisons are terrible, which they are, but if that’s the case I’d suggest ‘safety’ isn’t the argument you should be using since notably our prisons are distinctly unsafe for everyone in them. Most especially from the guards, and by ignoring that it makes it very difficult to take you at all seriously.

                    1. Notice yet that the responses abate when challenged by a cogent argument?

                  2. “They’re not looking at safety but at appealing to their base here.”

                    There it is. It’s always about intentions with the left. A guy could donate his kidney and you’d say it was bad if he did it for an ungood reason.

                    “…the personnel in charge of prison safety”

                    Who do you think runs the Federal prisons if not the DOJ?

                    Maybe you should quit while you are behind.

    2. What do you think the ratio of wrongly convicted felons to transgender individuals in the wrong gender prison is? 100:1? What about the ratio of wrongly convicted felons assaulted in prison to transgender felons assaulted because they were in the wrong prison? 100:1? *200*:1?

      1. Probably higher than that. But the system that can’t even figure out who is really guilty is going to be able to tell which Tranny is faking it , whatever that means.

        1. Not to mention that, getting 100 wrongly convicted people out, is objectively the greater moral good *and* gets more trannies out and makes for fewer assaults for the trannies that are in. But if we focus hard enough on the plight of the trannies that are in, we can manage not to improve the plight of anyone.

        2. The system is looking at safety, not if they pass as the opposite gender.

          1. I’m confused, if they don’t pass as the opposite gender than what precisely is the problem? And, follow up, if they don’t pass as the opposite gender why put them in with the opposite gender? (Or, I guess more precisely, their *sex*)

            No offense, but I would expect *a lot* of dudes to try getting into the women’s prison for a whole lot of reasons so how about we just put everyone in the same prisons? Would that make you feel better?

        3. Latest story is that there is no such thing as faking it.

          You are whatever you say you are.

      2. So we’re just going to ignore the danger to a small segment of the population because it’s small?

        1. So we’re just going to ignore the danger to a small segment of the population because it’s small?

          You make at least three false assumptions:
          1. Small danger is significantly distinguishable from zero danger.
          2. Doing something to address the small danger is significantly different from ignoring the danger.
          3. Addressing the larger danger does absolutely nothing to reduce or eliminate the smaller danger.

          There are other issues that are a nuance of the above three, such as the notion that the danger is intrinsic to the trannies, but located at or ingrained in the facilities, but the above three provide sufficient justification for placing Reason’s “tranny prison panic” towards the bottom of the priority heap.

          1. 1. 1/3 of trans people in prisons and jails report sexual victimization. That’s not small.
            2. See above.
            3. What larger danger? Prison violence? It’s not like they can wave their fiat wand and stop it but they can take measures that reduce it, like not blanket assigning people to prison based on sex.

            So what’s your explanation for why transexuals are being sexually victimized at high rates in prison that would make not change if they were to be assigned to prisons they identify with?

            1. How many is that 1/3’rd shock number, and where did you pull that statistic from exactly?

              Also, for what it’s worth, an abnormally large percentage of trans people kill themselves so I would think they would be in solitary or something like that given that I would suspect that ratio goes up significantly in prison. Well, unless Prison is one of the few places they can meet people that will have sex with them without many judgments…but that’s really more of a joke at a marginalized groups expense so I suppose I’m a terrible person.

              1. The Bureau of Jail Statistics; it’s also linked in the article here.

                It’s looking at sexual victimization, so isolation shouldn’t pull the numbers up at all. The only people who can sexually victimize themselves are minors who send nudes of themselves and women who have sex for money.

              2. Also, for what it’s worth, an abnormally large percentage of trans people kill themselves so I would think they would be in solitary or something like that given that I would suspect that ratio goes up significantly in prison.

                Actually trans-persons do consider mis-gendering a form of assault and the stat (depending on which 33% number he’s using) includes non-sexual, non-contact incidents performed by staff. So, a prison guard calling a cis-man “Nancy” is just another Tuesday while calling a trans-man “Nancy” gets counted as an assault. This may account for exactly zero incidents, but fits within the (noise induced by the) definitions.

            2. 1. 1/3 of trans people in prisons and jails report sexual victimization. That’s not small.

              Yes it is. 1/3 is objectively less than one and depending on what report you read, 1-3,000 people is easily within year-over-year variance (i.e. noise) within the whole system.

              2. See above.

              I don’t know what planet you live on but, nuh-uh and ditto doesn’t actually address a separate issue. Even if we agree that tranny assaults are bad and that we should move them to the womens’ facilities. If they end up assaulted just as much there (i.e. by the guards, each other, fake trannies, etc.) then we haven’t done anything more effective than ignoring the problem.

              3. What larger danger? Prison violence? It’s not like they can wave their fiat wand and stop it but they can take measures that reduce it, like not blanket assigning people to prison based on sex.

              Oh, IC. Aloof out of retardation or pig ignorance. The reader is free to choose. Actually, they can wave their fiat wand and incarcerate fewer people. The whole reason they separated prisons based on sex in the first place is because they were incarcerating too many for them to keep everyone safe together.

              1. The report includes 500 people over three years and compares it to the entire transgender prison population. 500 of the transgender prison population over the same three years is not subject to much noise.

                You were complaining about Reason “tranny prison panic,” not the government. Reason cannot do this by fiat and they certainly can’t prevent mass incarceration.

                1. The report includes 500 people over three years and compares it to the entire transgender prison population. 500 of the transgender prison population over the same three years is not subject to much noise.

                  More statistical bullshitting. The absolute number of people is not known. The largest cohort is less than 150 people and there’s no reason to assume (and, again plenty of evidence and reason to assume otherwise) that it’s not composed, at least in part, of the same 150 victims year over year. Moreover, when extrapolated to the entirety of the population by whatever means the side I don’t agree with chooses, the number comes up to 1-3,000 assault cases, which is noise in the background of total prison assaults year over year.

                  You were complaining about Reason “tranny prison panic,” not the government. Reason cannot do this by fiat and they certainly can’t prevent mass incarceration.

                  So then, your ‘fiat wand’ argument is a complete nonsequitur as you were addressing my complaint about Reason.

                  At this point it’s pretty clear that you are willfully contented by larger numbers of cis-men and women being wrongly imprisoned and raped as long as a fake cohort of 500 trannies gets less assaulted in women’s prison. I encourage you to fuck off, you’re doing a disservice to your own arguments and cause.

            3. One third? How many that don’t recognize as trans report a similar stat? You don’t seem to mention if others report such high stats.

  4. But the changes are clearly pushing prisons to default to putting transgender women alongside men, even if those trans prisoners are essentially living as women and even taking hormones.

    Convicted felon of the wrong gender? Scraping the bottom of the barrel is living I guess. Everbody’s screwed up on some level but, in these specific cases, we’re specifically saying that at the legal, mental, biological… it doesn’t matter. Things are fucked up at pretty much every level.

    1. How the hell is someone in prison taking hormones? Oh yeah the tax payers are paying for it and money that should go to needed medical care for prisoners is going to pay for that. And Shackford is fine with that because it is apparently the other prisoners’ duty to go without so The trans can live out their fantasy.

      1. And he says they were living as the opposite gender as though they were normal office workers who just happened to get thrown in prison for jay-walking or something; that their transgenderism and associated medication has absolutely, positively nothing to do with their situation. Steroid-users get aggressive, pregnant women get moody and forgetful, but trannies on medication are on an even keel de facto (an aside from the felony conviction).

        1. “trannies on medication are on an even keel de facto”

          Yeah and even if that is true, what if a convicted rapist coincidentally becomes a trans woman after his conviction? Should we deny his lived experience just because he made some mistakes? That BTW are probably all resolved now that he is not suppressing his true nature

  5. Transgender women are males. It is not strange that flesh and blood female prisoners do not want to be housed with males, yet their concerns are meaningless because no one’s rights can intrude on what the transgendered want.

    1. Yes. The views of the women prisoners and the risk posed to them is totally discounted. It is just infuriating

    2. It is not strange that flesh and blood female prisoners do not want to be housed with males, yet their concerns are meaningless because no one’s rights can intrude on what the transgendered want.

      Concerns aside, just objectively putting people with penises in a women’s prison (and vice versa) doesn’t address the issue of misgendered people being in the wrong prison. They specifically aren’t men and they aren’t women, they are trans. Put enough of them in the women’s prison and it isn’t a women’s prison anymore, it’s a “formerly men taking hormones” prison and the women are in a misgendered prison.

      1. But trans women are just like biological women don’t you know. Even thought they never were girls, didn’t go through puberty as women, etc. On the other hand, women aren’t all the same. You have to turn your brain off to feel the consistency

        1. The simple illogic of a group of men pretending to know exactly what it feels like to be a woman, and identifying that feeling in themselves, is the biggest bullshit I think I’ve ever heard. It implies that my lilly white Irish ass knows exactly the trials and tribulations of what it means to be a Black Woman in the Sudan.

          Of course, if I claimed that on a college campus I would be stoned to death.

          Hence, why anyone with two brain cells and a cluster of dendrites should realize why this is a ‘delusion’. Because the person claims to have knowledge or feelings that it simply isn’t realistically possible to have.

          Riddle me this, Men. What does it feel like to have a life growing inside you? I mean, besides all the beer cultures of course. You don’t know. You can’t. Yet somehow, Trans claim they do. Fascinating. And then we wonder why women might be a little pissed off. Ever try telling your wife that you know what she’s going through while pregnant, or what it’s like to be a woman in an all male office? Personally I wouldn’t pretend to know, even while I might be able to guess.

    3. Yeah and? I bet lots of white prisoners don’t want to be housed with black prisoners (and vice versa). I guess their concerns are meaningless too (since around here we generally acknowledge racial differences in violence).

  6. I think there is this idea that you are being mean to trans people to speculate that someone could take advantage of a rule allowing them to use any single gender facility. But that makes no sense unless you think that dressing like the other gender automatically makes you a victim, even if you have an ulterior motive.

    1. Besides, saying that SOME people could take advantage of it isn’t like saying they are all doing it

      1. You can’t predict who is with perfect certainty. So the policy Shackford advocates will absolutely result in some female prisoners being victimized. Scott does not seem to give a shit about them. They are just eggs to be broken in the omelet

        1. You seem eager to sacrifice the greater number of trans women being victimized currently. How are those omelets?

          1. You seem eager to sacrifice the greater number of trans women being victimized currently.

            This is a bald faced lie. You’ve taken a statistical foible and extrapolated it to an untruth. Part of the reason assaults are so high for trans people is because they are such a significantly smaller population. Women and men in their respective cis-gender facilities are assaulted far more numerously.

            1. No, it’s not. Women would not be attacked more by trans women than trans women are now.

              1. No, it’s not. Women would not be attacked more by trans women than trans women are now.

                Again, a falsehood. Unless you can prove that trans women are less violent, than cis women (not to mention staff-on-prisoner assaults as indicated in the study), you will have more humans in a women’s facility being assaulted at roughly the same rate and, thus, more total or absolute assaults.

                1. Again, a falsehood.

                  Somewhere between falsehood and misportrayal. As you assert and would agree (assuming you aren’t stupid) we’re looking to reduce the total number of assaults, not specifically trans/cis-attacker/victim assaults.

                  You’re not just cherry picking facts, you’re cherry picking facets of your argument. Your line of thinking suggest the ability to move everyone into women’s prisons under the assumption that women’s prisons are intrinsically less violent and that cramming them full of non-women won’t change that fact. I don’t mean this as sophistry as much to indicate that you’re contradicting yourself.

                  1. I don’t care about their gender issues, only their safety. I never said to move every trans person into the prison they prefer. Only the ones deemed safe. Check the math below for an actual demonstration of why the total numbers would decrease.

                    1. I don’t care about their gender issues, only their safety.

                      No you don’t or you wouldn’t want them in prison in the first place. As I said above, you’ve demonstrated yourself to be a liar working against principles you espouse to suppport and should fuck off.

                2. That’s not how math works.

                  You have x women and y trans women in women’s and men’s prisons respectively. That brings you to about 0.1x assaults in the first and y/3 assaults in the second, for 0.1x+y/3=n assaults total. If you take z trans women (selected because of their average tendency to not attack others at rates similar to men) and assume they contribute like women to the total assault numbers (whether or not they perpetrate it), you get 0.1(x+z) assaults in the first prison and (y-z)/3 assaults in the second, for a total of 0.1x+0.1z+0.33y-0.33z=(0.1x+y/3)(=n)+(0.1-.33)z = n – 0.23z assaults. For the general case where transsexuals don’t contribute like women to the assaults, you have n+(a-.33)z assaults, where a is whatever rate you want.

                  You get less assaults in total.

                  Now you could claim that transsexuals in the “wrong” prison would be more likely to attack people than the people they are housed with (which I believe likely) but it’s a wash if they contribute exactly like men to the assaults in the men’s prison. I don’t find that likely and it assumes that the vetting process didn’t work at all.

                  1. So you are making the mathematical argument that for every tranny you add to a prison population the violence rate goes down. In an institution where people are often sent there specifically for violent crimes.

                    1. And in case I’m not being clear, women go to prison for being violent motherfuckers too. And we already know women don’t like trannies any more than men do, and there are indications they may actually like them less. So what now, son?

                    2. every tranny you add to a prison population the violence rate goes down

                      That’s fucking retarded and not at all what I said. Every low-risk transsexual you move from men’s prisons to women’s reduces the total number of assaults in all prisons.

                    3. Ah, more caveats. Now you’re talking about ‘low-risk’ transsexuals. Fair enough I guess. Pray tell why they shouldn’t be in solitary given that both prison populations loathe them and will abuse them.

                      Your own logic leads to this conclusion, so it’s curious you deviate from that conclusion unless…you have second order concerns that are unstated.

                      The same thing was done for child molesters for literally the same reasons up to, and including, the mental illness angle.

                    4. Every low-risk transsexual you move from men’s prisons to women’s reduces the total number of assaults in all prisons.

                      Assuming men who think they are women are non-violent for their entire prison sentence.

                      What if your assumption — again, that people with fairly profound mental issues — is wrong and they become violent?

                  2. That’s not how math works.

                    -0.33z

                    and

                    (0.1x+y/3)(=n)

                    That’s literally not how math works. You’re also conflating assaults with being assaulted and entirely ignoring the fact that the system assaults people. Doing your side a disservice, fuck off.

                    1. And only talking about one gender. How about the trans sent to match their male counterpart. Are we presuming that females that identify as males are not in any to be factored into either side of the equation? That’s bullshit on its own. How often would they be the attackers in an all female institution versus victims in an all male institution is ignore here. And that is sexism at its finest.

  7. This comes on the heels of a lawsuit by a pack of female prisoners in Texas, who challenged the Obama administration’s guidance on the grounds that adding transgender inmates violates their privacy and mental health, increases their potential for rape, and somehow violates their rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

    As a nonbinary intersectional feminist, one form of bigotry that’s especially upsetting to me is transphobia by cisgender females. Apparently there are still some science-deniers who are uncomfortable sharing a prison, or a college dorm room, or a bathroom, or a locker room / shower with women who have penises, or facial hair? There are even high school girls who think it’s “unfair” they have to compete in sports against transgirls? Get out of here with that nonsense. It’s 2018! Anyone who identifies as female, is female. End of story.

    1. Solid trolling and pretty much what Shackford believes

      1. See, I still don’t understand why people think I’m a troll, given that I agree with prominent Reason contributors about their signature issues ? Shackford on LGBTQ+, ENB on reproductive rights, Dalmia on immigration. I wouldn’t “troll” a Star Wars fansite by talking about how wonderful The Empire Strikes Back is. Likewise, “trolling” a libertarian site by agreeing with libertarian positions just doesn’t make sense.

        1. If you are not a troll, get a tat of Hillary and post the pic.

          1. “You don’t reeeeeeeeally believe something unless you tattoo it on yourself and show the Internet!”

            Wow, that was weak. Maybe you should stick with your “Chinese Room” line.

          2. He could get a tat of Ed Meese and we wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

  8. Um, aren’t men like that generally heterosexual? I’m thinking that means there’s a problem. Otherwise, go to a coed prison system.

    1. This is an issue that apparently no one bothers to think about for longer than a nanosecond, since I believe Jenner still prefers fucking his wife. Gee, sure, lets put dicks in a woman’s prison. What was the excuse for separating them out, again?

      1. Is f/t sex really more of a problem than f/f sex?

  9. How about no one goes to jail for drugs and prostitution. Seems like a lot of these problems would go away.

    1. This is about federal prisons. Don’t think many people go there for taking drugs (selling a lot maybe) or prostituting themselves.

      1. Drugs offenses are the number 1 (46%) and sex offenses (although don’t know what % is pros) are the number 3 (9.4%) reasons for federal incarceration. Prostitution maybe less but we just got FOSTA so expect that to increase.

        So yes ending drug and prostitution prohibition would help lessen the problem

        Fed Prison Stats

  10. “New amendments to rules default to placing prisoners on the basis of their “biological sex.””

    As well it should. Duh.

    I’d certainly rather be in a female prison than a male prison.

  11. Why could they be scaling back?

    Maybe because imposing serious restrictions on hundreds of millions of people with sweeping policies meant to benefit some fraction of .00015% of the population is asinine on a scale directly proportional to the inverse of the premise?

    There are not enough trans people to even have accurate statistics about them–the numbers are just too small.

    Far easier is to deal with them as they come up on a case by case basis.

    1. Y’know, your comment about the ‘case by case basis’ is actually better treatment than anyone else in the United States gets now that I think about it.

  12. 1- Eliminate the asinine drug laws

    2- Eliminate laws that prosecute victim-less behavior

    3- With a vastly reduced prison population and a justice system that can be a bit more just, either treat individuals as individuals or treat all people exactly the same.

    1. Holy shit, look at that.

      A libertarian.

      1. Elect this person.

        STAT.

  13. Trans Woman = Man Who Thinks They Are A Woman

  14. Should prisoners who identify as a different age group than their chronological age go to a juvenile facility? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWGD4DV71pA

    1. You know the whole trans-age thing is just a 4chan trolling operation to get people to say they support having sex with kids right?

  15. This sounds like a cluster fuck either way. Also, I wonder how many female to male trans people demand to be put in male prisons? A natural born lady in a mens prison sounds like the worst idea of all.

    It’s too bad this particular biological defect exists, the world would be far simpler if it didn’t. I know trans people and mostly just feel sorry for them more than anything because they can never be what they want to be, and it screws them up in the head royally.

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