Police Abuse

Plainclothes Cop Caught on Video Pointing Gun, Threatening Motorcyclist.

If a cop does something he's not supposed to, why isn't he fired immediately?

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Alex Randall/YouTube

A video posted to YouTube shows a plainclothes detective in King County, Washington, approach a motorcyclist with his gun already drawn and accuse him of reckless driving and speeding before identifying himself as a cop.

"Give me your driver's license or I'll knock you off this bike," the detective tells the motorcyclist, Alex Randall, later threatening to "dunk him" if he moves his bike.

The detective ignores multiple requests by Randall for permission to take off his helmet and turn off his bike to hear him better.

The detective identifies himself as police only when Randall tells him he's sorry that he gets panicked when there's a gun drawn on him. At that point the cop had already pulled the man's wallet out of his pocket.

Eventually, the detective gets around to asking Randall why he was driving 100 miles an hour. Randall doesn't give an answer—and why would he given the road rage the detective had just displayed?

The detective does not write Randall any citations, even though he tells Randall what he allegedly did was an "arrestable offense" and that he could impound his bike if he wanted to.

Randall says he's filed a complaint with the sheriff's department and the county's Office of Law Enforcement Oversight. "I am still conducting an independent investigation and will make a follow up video once it concludes," Randall writes in the description of the YouTube video he posted.

King County Sheriff John Urquhart insists it is never appropriate for his officers to wield a service weapon in that way. Urquhart, however, decided to place the detective, who has not been identified, on administrative leave rather than fire him.

"There's nothing standard about approaching a driver with a pistol out. That should not have happened," Urquhart told the local Fox affiliate. He also stressed he hadn't yet gotten the detective's side of the story.

Randall says Urquhart called him personally to apologize. But how sorry can the sheriff be? If he's truly interested in reducing this kind of behavior, monitoring YouTube for viral videos and then handing out administrative leaves isn't sufficient. The process for disciplining and dismissing cops who show a reckless abandon for the rules they are supposed to follow, ought to be taken seriously.

You can watch Randall's YouTube video here:

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  1. King County Sheriff John Urquhart insists it is never appropriate for his officers to wield a service weapon in that way. Urquhart, however, decided to place the detective, who has not been identified, on administrative leave rather than fire him.

    Because it’s also never appropriate to terminate employment of reckless law enforcement.

    1. “Hooker’s a good cop!”

      1. “I’m gonna play tic-tac-toe all over your face!”

  2. King County, not King’s County. Come on Reason!

  3. You can watch Randall’s YouTube video here:

    Where?

  4. King County Sheriff John Urquhart insists it is never appropriate for his officers to wield a service weapon in that way.

    Also never appropriate in the King County Sheriff’s office: detectives who exercise and/or consume vegetables.

  5. There’s nothing standard about approaching a driver with a pistol out.

    Out and pointing at something other than the ground…

    1. Or as Trump would say, “#Fake News. Sad!”

  6. If a cop does something he’s not supposed to, why isn’t he fired immediately?

    We all know the answer to that question by now: because FYTW.

    1. No one’s more upset at his behavior than the Sheriff!

    2. One of the king’s men. In King County.

      He’s doubly safe.

    3. Because he’s in a union

  7. He is just keeping the motorcycle driver safe. Also he did not allow the biker to take off his helmet to avoid any race prejudice. If the biker was black then he had to fire that gun. We must appreciate his restraint.

  8. a plainclothes detective in King County, Washington

    Dunphy?

    1. You beat me to it

      1. Was he curling Morgan Fairchild with his other arm?

        1. All while competing in a professional wind surfing competition and shredding on an electric guitar.

    2. Nah. Jack’s from Commiformula. King County are only dim reflections of the rot going on down there, but they )King COunty) are making good progress in that direction.

  9. A lot of blue racism in this thread.

    1. I do find the Blue Man Group to be stupid and annoying, so yeah, I guess I am a blue racist.

      1. And maybe blue sexist too.

    2. Amazing that the bluer the state, the worse the cops are.

      1. There are corrupt cops everywhere including red states. The difference that in Georgia, there is a good chance that one of those other drivers might have shot the “cop” for brandishing committing armed robbery without properly identifying himself as a police officer.

        Person brandishes firearm and takes wallet out of other person’s pocket. Looks like armed robbery to me.

        1. Person brandishes firearm and takes wallet out of other person’s pocket. Looks like armed robbery to me.

          Especially considering he put his gun away once he had the ID. He, pretty clearly, wasn’t under any threat and it seems like he didn’t have his badge on him and just decided to use the gun instead.

          1. Exactly……what a creepy cop.

        2. In fact, it may qualify as robbery. Note that at the time he took the wallet, he had not identified himself as a cop. I say, “lock him up”. Washington Statutes:

          9A.56.190 Robbery ? Definition
          A person commits robbery when he unlawfully takes personal property from the person of another or in his presence against his will by the use or threatened use of immediate force, violence, or fear of injury to that person or his property or the person or property of anyone.

          Such force or fear must be used to obtain or retain possession of the property, or to prevent or overcome resistance to the taking; in either of which cases the degree of force is immaterial.

          Such taking constitutes robbery whenever it appears that, although the taking was fully completed without the knowledge of the person from whom taken, such knowledge was prevented by the use of force or fear.

          9A.56.200 Robbery in the First Degree
          (1) A person is guilty of robbery in the first degree if:

          (a) In the commission of a robbery or of immediate flight therefrom, he or she:

          (i) Is armed with a deadly weapon; or

          (ii) Displays what appears to be a firearm or other deadly weapon; or

          (iii) Inflicts bodily injury; or

          (b) He or she commits a robbery within and against a financial institution as defined in RCW 7.88.010 or 35.38.060.

          (2) Robbery in the first degree is a class A felony.

    3. IDK, it seems pretty clean to me.

    4. I’m sorry, but “Blue racism”??? What can that possibly mean?

  10. “I am still conducting an independent investigation and will make a follow up video once it concludes,” Randall writes in the description of the YouTube video he posted

    Sorry, but the guy looking down the business end of the gun is definitely not “independent”.

  11. “King County Sheriff John Urquhart insists it is never appropriate for his officers to wield a service weapon in that way.”

    You’re telling me. That cop could lose a nipple.

  12. Speeding is CLEARLY as dangerous as pointing a gun at someone and threatening to dump them and their motorcycle to the ground.

    Notice the “cop” took the guys wallet out of the the motorcyclist’s pocket. Looked like an armed robbery to me.

  13. Really, dipshit. It certainly is independent of the boss of the JBT aiming the business end at the citizen. Is that what you really object to. Would you feel better with another state agency. GTFO

    If not, perhaps you were aiming for dis-interested or unaffiliated party….which mean something very different. Improve your aim and take your finger off the trigger…that’s how accidents happen.

    Hey, is that dicktective trying to support his man-boob with his pistol?

    1. Hey, is that dicktective trying to support his man-boob with his pistol?

      It’s actually the proper way to hold a pistol on someone when within arms reach.

      1. So close that the slide could get jammed or restricted in his clothing? Nyet. His man boob stands a good chance of getting pinched and the gun malfunctioning. IMHO

    2. MDBBTY
      My “dipshit” invective, despite being my term of endearment, only applies to my former supposition and not the latter. My finger comes belatedly off the invective trigger if that is the case. Wrote rage in the 3rd degree is not an arrest-able offense yet and not worthy of having my computer impounded.

  14. “The process for disciplining and dismissing cops who show a reckless abandon for the rules they are supposed to follow, ought to be taken seriously.”

    I don’t see how giving the cop a few weeks of paid vacation followed by a commendation would help matters.

  15. The detective does not write Randall any citations, even though he tells Randall what he allegedly did was an “arrestable offense” and that he could impound his bike if he wanted to.

    Missed opportunity for asset forfeiture – must have been a mediocre bike.

    Anybody found out if the detective was on duty?

  16. I just watched a cop car do a U-turn at an intersection on a red light.

    I want them to worry about their fucking grandchildren’s lives if that’s what it takes to make them realize that our respect of them and their laws depends on them serving as examples, not the pettiest of fat, stupid tyrants.

  17. “Anybody found out if the detective was on duty?”

    They are always on duty because that is how seriously Them care about public safety… that and it probably helps keep qualified immunity in place…cause we all know they cannot turn off their on-duty ways during their off hours.

    Dicktective does appear to be driving the company car unless he customized his own.

    One cop wrote, “Police are 24 / 365. We are citizens by choice but are sworn to uphold the laws 24 a day when needed. So If I am off duty and a crime takes place, I cannot turn tail and run, I am sworn to assist in an apprehension or face negligence of duty.

    https://answers.yahoo.com/ question/index?qid=20160316072114AAAdsHn

    Some others said it depended on the jurisdiction and that it was discouraged because of liability. They may also make a citizens arrest until on-duty arrives.

    1. This addresses my first thought, to a small degree.

      We are talking about “why hasn’t he been disciplined or fired”, when I see someone clearly committing assault with a deadly weapon.

      There is zero chance that if Fist had pulled a gun on some guy he thought was driving recklessly, he’d be facing criminal charges. There is no way in hell the DA would say “I’m going to let his employer decide how to discipline him”.

  18. Baloney!

    The cop has no idea who is on the bike and what is the biker’s intent. If the biker was speeding the cop has every right to be concerned – for the cop and the public’s safety. Given the fact that the biker is speeding the cop has the good sense to ask the biker for identification.

    1. speeding ain’t the capital crime LE often hold it to be. How often do THEY belt it on down the highway and thirty plus above the posted number? If THEY can do it safely, others can as well. I’ve known quite a number of drivers that are far safer (and with the driving history to back it up) than the average Blue Suited example of the constabulary.

      Copper has a bad case of “Imma tuff guy and Imma gonna prove it”

    2. @Dexter102 – you can’t really be serious, right? The police don’t pull people over the way this guy did. There’s no siren. No self-identification as police. This was a road rage incident by a cop. Had he any intention of conducting an actual lawful traffic stop, he would have called it in, turned on the sirens, identified himself, etc.

      Look I get that cops have dangerous jobs and don’t get paid enough to attract the best talent. But this moron and the guy who decided to arrest a nurse for not allowing him to steal blood from somebody for no reason whatsoever … they are indefensible. There is no scenario in which their actions might have been lawful, legally defensible or reasonable. They’re bullies with a badge and a gun. Bullies shouldn’t be equipped with a badge and a gun. They need to be fired expeditiously.

  19. That cop should certainly be canned. Pointing a firearm when there has been no threat is just needlessly dangerous and stupid.

  20. Forget it Jake, it’s King County – where they tax the sale of weapons and ammo by civilians to reduce “gun violence”.
    Now, if they could only reduce “cop violence”.

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