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Illinois Legislators Urge Cops to Designate Neo-Nazis as Terrorists. They Should Be More Concerned With White Supremacists in Police Ranks.

State and local governments have made it possible for cops to largely act with impunity.

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Stephen D. Melkisethian

The Illinois legislature has passed a nonbinding resolution urging the state's police departments to designate neo-Nazi and other white nationalist groups as terrorist organizations. If they're really interested in combating white supremacy in Illinois, they'd do better to start with the white supremacists in those police departments.

A 2015 classified FBI counterterrorism policy obtained by The Intercept noted that terror investigations focused on white supremacists "often have identified active links to law enforcement officers." And of course many officers are independently racist, without ties to outside groups. In Illinois specifically, a decades-long secret torture program in Chicago exclusively targeted African-Americans, with the cops involved regularly using explicitly racist language during their torture sessions. Whether they join white supremacist groups or not, such officers are doing the violent work of white supremacy—and the government is enabling their work.

After the car attack in Charlottesville, cops from at least two states took to social media to mock the victims. They are being "investigated" internally for their posts, but it's highly unlikely anything will happen to them, given the broad employment protections that police officers have. Their lack of a filter as government employees in making controversial comments on public platforms reveals how little accountability they are used to having.

A white supremacist in a police uniform is more dangerous than the member of any organization Illinois legislators might want to see designated as a terror group, because a white supremacist in a police uniform is operating under the color of law. Police officers have little meaningful oversight or accountability, and they are entrusted to use force on individuals not complying with government rules.

Police links to white supremacist groups are difficult to uncover and even more difficult to break, thanks to a cop culture that values a "no snitching" code (the so-called blue wall of silence). And thanks in large part to state laws and union-negotiated rules, it's exceedingly difficult for police chiefs to fire problem cops with histories of abuse, let alone those that may have affiliations that ought to be incompatible with police work. A recent Washington Post investigation found that the country's largest police departments had reinstated more than 400 officers who had previously been fired for misconduct, usually after union-contract-mandated arbitration.

"It is vital that we stand in total opposition to the hatred, bigotry and violence displayed by the white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups in Charlottesville this past weekend," Illinois state Sen. Don Harmon (D–Oak Park), who sponsored the resolution, said after his bill passed. "They are the heirs to the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. We fought two bloody wars in opposition to their ideologies. We must continue to fight those same twisted ideologies today."

Police departments themselves have sometimes been among the most racist institutions in American history. Decades of state lawmaking and undue deference to police union reps have turned cops into a uniquely privileged class, and have turned many of those they are sworn to serve and protect into second-class citizens.

Illinois lawmakers have the power to pass legislation to change this. But that would require challenging powerful special interests. Empty preening is easier.

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93 responses to “Illinois Legislators Urge Cops to Designate Neo-Nazis as Terrorists. They Should Be More Concerned With White Supremacists in Police Ranks.

  1. Police officers have little meaningful oversight or accountability…

    This is something maybe we should look into, too.

    1. No no no. Clearly what’s important is to give them moar powah to like do stuff.

    2. Which is more important than calling people white supremacists without evidence.

      1. It’s perfectly ok to stereotype cops.

        1. Cops are paid to do the dirty work of the State. That’s my stereotype, and I’m sticking with it!

  2. The Illinois legislature has passed a nonbinding resolution urging the state’s police departments to designate neo-Nazi and other white nationalist groups as terrorist organizations.

    How about if the state’s police departments designate as terrorist organizations legislatures that pass nonbinding resolutions?

  3. More gender fluids is a solution.

    1. I am always calling for more gender fluids. Imagine if we had enough to send the whole world awash. Just imagine…

  4. Illinois lawmakers have the power to pass legislation to change this.

    Illinois lawmakers have the power to pass legislation. Nothing changes.

  5. “they’d do better to start with the white supremacists in those police departments.”
    and
    “Police links to white supremacist groups are difficult to uncover”

    Do you think that freely throwing around the label ‘white supremacist’ has something to do with unnecessary legislation like this? I know it goes over well at your cocktail parties, but this is a pretty bold accusation to make.

    I think your a white supremacist, Kreywski. Prove me wrong

    1. I know it goes over well at your cocktail parties

      ZING!

      1. Strange that you take such offense at the cocktail party accusation than the accusations made against people being white supremacists without any evidence. Good priorities

        1. the zing seems complimentary.

        2. Your virtue signaling is pathetic.

            1. Once again I have been bested by your overwhelming creativity. Hats off to you!

              1. Oh yeah, well your mom

        3. The Chicago torture thing, at least, seems like evidence.

          1. Not entirely. He’s referring to the Burge torture sites. This is evidence that the police disproportionately target African Americans and people of low income (not all of the victims in the Burge incident were African American, but overwhelmingly so). That shows that police are more than willing to be abusive (something that we already know) and that reform is needed, but does that prove that they are white supremacists?

            1. It doesn’t prove anything about their actual beliefs. But circumstantial evidence is evidence.

              I think you do have a point that “white supremacist” is being thrown around kind of carelessly now. And that Ed might be using it a bit freely here. I’m sure there are plenty of racist cops. I don’t know how many are white supremacists in the sense that they want a separate ethno-state or favor a legally defined lower status for other races. They could just be bigoted thug assholes.

              1. Relying on statistical evidence (the majority of the Burge victims were black without taking into account the demographics of the community that his team was policing) to make broad accusations is quite the slippery slope. This is the same logic used to determine that tech companies are discriminatory toward women.

                I’m sure there are officers that are bigots, but nothing here offers an example of such a thing. Someone can be a terrible person (like police that abuse their authority) and still not be a white supremacist or a bigot.

                1. The controversy lasted for decades as the city fought the torture claims. So far, it has cost the city [taxpayers] more than $100 million in lawsuit settlements, judgments and other costs.

                  But in May 2015, the City Council moved to acknowledge the victims by approving a $5.5 million reparations package[composed of taxpayer dollars].

                  Brackets mine.

                  I am confident that you disagree with using taxpayer funds to operate a facility designed to torture your fellow citizens, and I hope that you disagree with the practice of torture itself.

                  Any thoughts in these regards?

            2. He’s referring to the Burge torture sites.

              It’s inaccurate to ascribe the torture sites to one man. At least, the information known about Homan Square makes it both decidedly racist/anti-black and separated by more than a decade from Burge.

      2. I did just get a Reason invite to a cocktail party. I figure if I virtue signal hard enough – like, announce how much I hate taxes and regulatory burdens – I’m guaranteed a couple handies by the end of the night.

        1. Not even worth the effort. I can give myself handies and blowjies. And I’m well past the point of taking pride in involving another person.

          Guess I’ll just go back to drinking alone.

        2. like, announce how much I hate taxes and regulatory burdens

          Probably won’t go over too well in a crowd that supports carbon taxes and contraception mandates.

    2. A very prominent member of the Republican party where I live is a racist and I have personal knowledge of his racism. This same guy told me he thinks gay people are mentally ill. This man who I will not name because I would betray personal conversations that were made in private is an accomplice of a very well known Christian Republican preacher who has met with Trump more than once. These bigoted Republicans worked closely with Trump in the presidential election. These guys are smart enough to keep their racism and bigotry secret but it’s alive and well and well represented in the Republican party in my state. These racists guys own the Republican party here. This shit is real and I’ve seen it and heard it.

      1. Reveal the name then if he is a party member or elected representative.

      2. Is this person actually a woke 8 year old?

      3. 1999 called…wants all anonymous cool stories back, bro.

      4. Gay people are mentally ill. Maybe not a lot but somewhat.

        They want to put their dongs where they don’t belong.

        P.S. I know a very prominent member of the Democratic Party where I live and she is a racist and hates men. These people work very closely with Hillary and major Democrat players.

        This shit is real and I’ve seen it and heard it.

        1. Loveconstitution. Crawl back under your rock.

          1. Awwwwwww, did the poor faggot get offended? It’s okay, faggot.

      5. Hating white people is not racist. Just ask anyone who hates white people.

      6. I was molested by grey alien shape shifters that hide in my closet at night. I’d provide evidence, but I’d be betraying intergalactic state secrets.

  6. “It is vital that we stand in total opposition to the hatred, bigotry and violence displayed by the white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups in Charlottesville this past weekend,”

    So brave.

    1. Well, to be fair, they *were* grabbing their crotches when this was written.

    2. How many murders did these bigots commit in Chicago this year? How about turning your full attention to the real terrorists in Chicago – those who have killed 433 people already this year.

      1. That has been reclassified as a self correcting problem.

      2. creech, take the cops balls out of your mouth

        1. Take the black cock out of your ass – it’s cutting off blood flow to your faggot brain.

  7. If an organization was actively shielding its members from criminal liable for criminal acts the way police departments do the organization itself would be guilty of conspiracy and would be criminally liable for the actions of its members.

  8. So “terrorism” means nothing now, I guess, if a group can be labeled “terrorist” simply because of the nature of their beliefs.

    1. The distinction between “terrorism” and “criminal” has always been “the nature of their beliefs”.

      1. You think? I think that the nature and purpose of their actions have something to do with it too.

        1. I can’t tell if we’re quibbling over language or not. I’d wrap up their “purpose” into “the nature of their beliefs” myself.

          But broadly speaking, think about any given act of terror or criminal action. If you can change the category the act falls into by changing the motivation/purpose/intent/beliefs, then there’s nothing unique to the act that makes it “criminal” or “terrorist”, it’s just the mental state of the person committing the crime.

          1. By “purpose”, I don’t mean end goal or ideological motivation, but immediate effect on people. Don’t know if that helps.

            1. Intended immediate effect on people.

              1. Then yeah, disagree. Method of killing a person doesn’t make it terrorism or not. Stabbing, shooting, running over with a car or truck, blowing up with a bomb, hitting with a plane, dropping a building on someone…

                What separates the terrorists from the criminals is why they did it, the “mens rea”. Not the “how”.

                1. That’s not what “mens rea” means.

          2. Sort of like manslaughter vs 2nd degree vs 1st degree murder?

            It’s not unique to terrorism.

          3. We have different laws for dealing with terrorism. Laws that put secrecy over transparency.

            I was concerned long ago that once the mechanisms where put into place, the next step would be to blend terrorism and crime in a way that crime can be dealt with anti-terrorism laws.

      2. Not always. The word used to have a coherent meaning — violence against a small number of people, which has the primary aim to induce fear in a large population to get them to change their behavior.

  9. We fought two bloody wars in opposition to their ideologies.

    We also fought a bloody war in opposition to government oppression, so those who oppose the government should also be terrorists.

    We also fought bloody wars in opposition to the spread of Communism, so Communists should be terrorists.

    1. Also terrorists: the Spanish, Mexicans and whatever it was that we were fighting in the First World War.

      1. I believe we were fighting ‘war itself’. Good thing we won

      2. I’ve had some liberal friends that are saying the South lost so they should get over it and surrender their monuments.

        I love pointing out to them that the Native Americans lost too.

  10. And of course many officers are independently racist, without ties to outside groups.

    how do you cite independently racist?

  11. Police links to white supremacist groups are difficult to uncover and even more difficult to break, thanks to a cop culture that values a “no snitching” code (the so-called blue wall of silence).

    Also, with the poorest murder investigation and clearance rate in the Nation, it doesn’t help that, apparently, the majority of officers are ineffective morons.

  12. Why Ed, how BLM of you.

    1. Why Escher, how white-hooded of you.

      1. Retarded faggot can’t tell when other retarded faggot is being facetious.

  13. “…cops from at least two states took to social media to mock the victims. They are being “investigated” internally for their posts…”

    There is a reason that the comments section on PoliceOne.com is password protected with the following message.

    “PoliceOne comments can only be accessed by verified law enforcement professionals.
    Please sign in or register to view or write your own comments below.”

  14. Can anyone name ONE example of government instigated hatred or violence? Even ONE? Because I can’t, and doubt you cucks can either.

    1. Any war?

    2. US Propaganda during WWII against the Germans and Japanese?

      FDR putting Japanese-Americans in concentration camps?

      US genocide of the American Indian tribes?

      Sorry, only 3.

    3. Forced sterilization of black women in the first half of the 20th century.

    4. Witches being hung and burned, etc., in the Old World and in the New World, all the way up to the late 1600s.

    5. Hmm, there was some night. Something about Crystal… Hmm, it’ll come to me.

    6. ….this has to be sarcasm.

    7. Best: That’s not even clever satire. And too stupid to even be granted the label of ”retarded.”
      You should try again.

    8. Best: That’s not even clever satire. And too stupid to even be granted the label of ”retarded.”
      You should try again.

      1. Considering you just attacked a fellow traveller because you are too stupid to understand sarcasm, that’s pretty rich.

  15. According to the information I have at hand, it has been approximately two hours since Ed posted his article on H&R.

    Yet I see no mention in the comment section of Illinois Nazis

    Warning:The character Elwood Blues initiates violence against peaceful permit holders whom he hates.

    1. Earliest known antifa.

  16. Meanwhile Chicago Illinois sports an authentic Fascist Monument gifted from Supreme Fascist himself, Benito Mussolini. They even named a street after the Fascist pilot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balbo_Monument

  17. Between him and Bloomberg you now have hate and weight crimes.

  18. As useless and futile gestures go this one seems about par for the course.

  19. You know who else tortured people for racist reasons?

    1. Django

  20. If they make stupidity illegal, it is going to get really lonely around the Capital Building…

  21. “I hate Illinois Nazis.”

    1. Screwed up the link, probably because it’s another video of a car driving into a crowd and I’m triggered.

      At least this time it wasn’t a Challenger

  22. Perhaps they should be more concerned about gang-bangers.

    I’m betting gangs kill way more than white supremacists AND neo-Nazis combined.

  23. After the car attack in Charlottesville, cops from at least two states took to social media to mock the victims. They are being “investigated” internally for their posts, but it’s highly unlikely anything will happen to them, given the broad employment protections that police officers have. Their lack of a filter as government employees in making controversial comments on public platforms reveals how little accountability they are used to having.

    Wait a minute. Is Reason now advocating firing people for tasteless jokes made while not on the job? The Massachusetts cop was really making nasty jokes, but the Kentucky cop wasn’t even making fun of the victims, he was joking about the condition of the car afterwards. Neither should be a firing offense for any job.

    You guys are not even trying to hide your affinity for the speech-squelching Left anymore.

    1. Wait a minute. Is Reason now advocating firing people for tasteless jokes made while not on the job?

      Only after they’ve been properly doxed on Twitter.

    2. I think the idea that the 1A protects government employees from being fired for the things they say is a progressive fiction created as part of the effort to ensure government workers are privileged citizens.

  24. The big problem isn’t the White Supremacists in the police ranks, but rather the Blue Supremacists: The “We need more rights than you, Citizen!” crowd among the badge-wearers.

  25. That FBI report says a whole lot of nothing. So much of it is redacted that we have no way of knowing if White Supremacy in the police force is much of a threat at all. And honestly outside of what, a page of flimsy data I haven’t seen a peep about this anywhere.

    Look, we have, and I’m being generous here, VERY generous, a maximum of like 15,000 actual avowed white supremacists in the US. If every single one of them was an active police officer, then the percentage of our 765,000 or so police that are white supremacists would be a whopping 2%, rounding up. If we are still way too high, but more realistic and say that 1,500 white supremacists are cops, that number drops to 1 in every 500 cops. And again, a 10% number would be absurdly huge.

    So no, I very much doubt white supremacists in the Police are a major threat.

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