Trump Gives Victory Speech, Liberals Rediscover Appeal of Limited Government
Has there ever been a more powerful case for limited government?


President-Elect Donald Trump preached national unity and vowed to "reclaim our country's destiny," in his victory speech, which was delivered around 3:00 a.m. in New York City. Rival candidate Hillary Clinton had already called Trump to concede, he told the crowd.
Trump complimented Clinton on running a "hard-fought campaign."
"She fought very hard," he said. "Hillary has worked very long and hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. I mean that very sincerely."
Trump then turned to the business of healing the vast political divide. He promised to be a president for all Americans.
"For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I'm reaching out to you for your guidance and your help, so that we can work together and unify our great country," he said.
The president-elect claimed to have a "great" economic plan, though he offered no details. He closed by thanking his most vocal supporters—his family, Rudy Giuliani, Sen. Jeff Sessions, Ben Carson, and others—and assuring the American people that "you'll be so proud of your president" by the time his reign comes to an end.
Trump's election has sent shockwaves: the markets are in free-fall, Democratic voters are petrified, and the media has no idea what just happened.
Libertarians should be girding themselves for four years of the federal government trampling their freedoms—but of course, we've come to expect that regardless. As I wrote on Facebook earlier tonight, it's perhaps moments like this where the case for the libertarian vision of a constrained government is most powerful:
I'm watching MSNBC as I write this, and I just heard Lawrence O'Donnell say the following:
"The Constitution anticipated this. The Founding Fathers anticipated Donald Trump. They feared tyrants, they were overthrowing the rule of a king, and they designed a separation-of-powers government in which all of the true powers belonged to Congress, those can then be reviewed by the courts…"
That didn't take long: the left is interested in limited government again. Would have been nice to have them with us during Obama's eight years in office, but we'll take what we can get, I guess.
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I'm watching MSNBC as I write this
Ugh.
I kept flipping back and forth between Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN, just to get the full spectrum of emotional response -- the giddiness at Fox, the bitterness at MSNBC, and the constantly-playing-with-map at CNN.
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I guess Froot Sooshi really is a progressive masquerading as a libertarian. Unless he was watching for the sweet, sweet tears.
I was flipping between CNN and MSNBC last night for those reasons.
I was just lapping up some sweet prog tears on my Derpbook feed. Delicious!
Donald, what is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women - when you grab their pussy!
**Best lamentation delivered by NPR from Wellesley College-check it out.
I think I may post that on Derpbook just to keep the tears and outrage flowing freely.
The best one I've had so far is that since the Republican's won the Senate, and the House and we have President Hitler Trump, gay rights and women's rights would be set back 100 years.
Ummm.....No. As far as that goes, isn't Trump PRO-gay rights?
Also, never mind the fact that Her Highness was AGAINST redefining marriage until just a few years ago, when it suddenly became politically preferable to be pro gay marriage. But ignore that, TRUMP FUCKING GRABBED PUSSY!
"As far as that goes, isn't Trump PRO-gay rights?"
He SEEMS to be.
Which is weird. LGBT democrats on my FB keep whining about how this is the end for them, and they're gonna loose marriage. I'm just thinking "I don't remember you whining like this when Obama was first elected!! And he was EXPLICITLY against gay marriage, not just imaginary against gay marriage."
You're not a libertarian.
Trump grabbed Robby by the pussy.
Grab its motherfucking pussy
Historic!
It's gonna be fascinating watching Lew Rockwell cheer on federal government expansion under Trump.
Sweet, salty tears.........
There's never been a lesser or greater case for limited government, Robby. There's just the case for limited government. It's timeless, and it's always been right, and it always will be.
Yes, and just as the Democrats rediscover their appreciation for limited government, the Republicans will discard it -- just like things switched 180 degrees between Bush and Obama.
I expect the "anti-war" movement will suddenly twitch back to life as well.
Why the hell did Trump get us involved with ISIS anyway?
Does this mean that finally everything is no longer Bush's fault?
Yup. Bush is FINALLY off the hook. Now everything's Trump's fault.
And homelessness.
Yes indeed. As will calls for free speech, even by college leftists.
To answer Robbie's question: The other two Presidents that were New York millionaires of Dutch ancestry.
Look, if you keep posting threads like this, the main election thread isn't getting to 2000 comments.
That thread was all glitchy for me for 3 hours.
I thought the Russians brought down Reason.com but it was only the tears from progressives that damaged internet servers everywhere.
I though Google staff was going to shut down everything when it was clear Trump was winning.
Same for me,I fell asleep just after midnight. Think I'll get some coffee and look forward to wonderful,wonderful prog and media tears.
Oh, they started about 1:30am EST.
Shocked they are. Trump dismissed all the curve balls thrown by liberal media, RINOs and progressives.
House cleaning is in order!
So how long until President Pence? What will Pelosi wear where she becomes speaker again in 2019? Will Lizzie Warren be Prez in 2020?
Will this cause people to realize that the Federal government is too powerful and we need to reduce its power if the Wrong TOP MAN is such a threat...hey stop laughing!
Find out all this and more, on the next episode of........ Dope.
So Trump won, huh didn't expect that. It was obvious that Hillary wouldn't crush him though...
So does this make Trump the new Andrew Jackson? He does seem to be the closest equivalent except Jackson was a Senator...
Wait for the New Trail of Mexican/Muslim Tears...
Let me know if Trump invites bums into the White House for parties and walks around bare foot.
I could see WI sending a giant cheese wheel to the White House.
He's out for a gambol
*applause*
Has there ever been a more powerful case for limited government?
Yes, Froot Sushi. His name is Barack Obama. You may have heard of him. You know, Pres. Pen & Phone? Mr. Chief Executive Order? That guy?
Don't make Robby do/say anything that might be construed as racist.
That's about as forceful as you get from Froot Sooshi. Unless your surname starts with, "O'," and ends with, "Keefe." THEN he'll get rhetorically shirt rippin' Florida Man on your ass!
Robby judges all people by their hair style. And, compared to Trumpy, Obama is a clear winner.
Thus, Trump is the most powerful case for limiting government. Also, JFK the best president, with Reagan a close second.
Melania will be FLOTUS. Yes, Froot Sooshi, a real, bona fide, honest to goodness, naturalised Slavic immigrant. And she hasn't been exactly been beaten with an ugly stick either.... I look forward to Troomp's many Burlusconi-esque, or Burlusque, episodes. Should prove to be quite entertaining.
Obumbles for all his many faults, is an attractive man, even with all that snow on the roof. I'd expect Robby to be googley eyed over Obumbles' hair flair.
I eagerly anticipate the White House bunga bung parties.
The lack of edit is painful. Assuming you meant: FLATUS
This is one of the main reasons I voted for Trump. I just did not want Bill Clinton as FLOTUS (I suppose that would be FGOTUS). At least we'll have one of the best looking first ladies in the world.
Never mentioning the horror a Hillary win would have brought.
No, no, Trump is the maniac, you see, not the woman with no achievements who is well-documented as being a lying, corrupt, incompetent, criminal, sociopath, who would be enabled by the federal bureaucracy, the establishment politicians, and the media.
well we've made our choice between brain cancer & bone cancer...
MCL tear or ACL tear.
Here is the good about Trump: he doesn't owe anybody anything. Not the big banks, not wall street, not corporate interests, not foreign powers, not even the republican party. So he can act according to what he thinks would be best for country. Best of all, he is reviled by the media, the federal bureaucracy, and career politicians of both parties, so his ability to cause any actual mischief will be quite limited compared to Hillary. So I would say the nation chose a nagging toothache over colon cancer.
Constipation vs colon cancer.
Not sure how you can say he owes nothing to the Republican party. If the GOP hadn't mobilized its resources to do the job Trump couldn't be bothered doing (you know, like voter identification and GOTV efforts), that razor-thin victory would have been a rout.
Not to mention her warmongering.
Finally, all those proggy opponents of the Imperial Presidency will awaken from their 8-year hibernation and again favor us with their wisdom.
At last, the return of the anti-war giant paper-mache heads.
Protest will again be heroically patriotic rather than despicably racist.
Oh and better cancel your cocktail party invitations. Not only will the progs be attacking Trump's supposed libertarian ideology they will be attacking Johnson for being a spoiler...
Their sentiments are completely insincere. When their Bernie 2.0 candidate is elected, they'll complain about how he can't get anything done because of the GOP Congress, and they'll cheer every time he figures out a way around them
Look, that may have been true before. But THIS TIME, this time they totally mean it, and will totally see the light if Robby believes hard enough!
He can change them, he knows he can!
The home is that each time this happens, and you get people from the out of power party becoming fibertarians, is that you hold on to them when they recover power again.
Excellent point.
Will the con-libertarians on this board become Trump supporters? (we know who we are)
I'll do my best not to bow to the Donald.
Remember all those people talking about how opposed and constrained Trump will be?
Well now you have to prove it. When he takes an anti-liberty position, slam him for it, don't forgive him for it, don't make excuses etc. Or you can just admit you're a republican who got interested in liberty because your team was out of power and you didn't want the government effecting YOUR life.
Listen, we all know trump is a wild card. I'm not all that thrilled he is our president. But the progtard tears will sustain me until January. I will go back to being a good libertarian then, I promise
I don't trust Trump to keep his promises, if I did I'd have voted for him because of his list of justices who would make the Supreme Court Great Again. He still might use that list, but I won't hold my breath.
But he sounds conciliatory right now, who knows, maybe he'll keep the Supreme Court promise and not the bad promises.
He will probably play things by ear, and so might, on occasion, stumble into doing the right thing. As opposed to Hillary who is committed to doing the wrong thing.
I should say Hillary who *was* committed to doing the wrong thing.
I hope she won't be in a position to do much wrong now that she's LOST.
You shouldn't be trusting any newly elected President to keep his/her promises.
So much for the whole "only Trump can lose to Hillary!" and Hillary's hope that Trump would be a pushover. However we have to deal with Trump now...um yeah.
You could have beaten HIllary with those emails coming out, unless you have some dark secrets we are unaware of.
So any bets on how long until Comey suspiciously commits suicide?
My money is on Weiner for the deadpool. If I was Carlos Danger right about now I'd be asking for a witness protection program relocation somewhere in Alaska.
He's safe, by losing the Presidency, Hillary's power and protection have collapsed. Look for her to be indicted at some point in the coming months over the Clinton Foundation, and then for Trump to magnanimously pardon her.
"Look for her to be indicted at some point in the coming months over the Clinton Foundation, and then for Trump to magnanimously pardon her...."
...after letting her twist in the wind for a very long time, I hope.
I'm kind of curious to see which way the investigation goes. If Trump gives Hillary a blanket pardon that would take trolling levels up to 10,000.
Blanket pardons ( from either Trump or Obama) mean there is no excuse for refusing to testify when Congress investigates. And Congress needs to investigate, not to punish individuals, but to know what is necessary to reform laws and government agencies in order to prevent future abuses.
Obama made us a banana republic, now let the truth commissions commence.
I predict a shuttering of the Clinton Foundation because there is no more graft to peddle. Trump will disclose as much of the evidence against them as he can but spare us the congressional investigations. There will be no pardons in order to maintain leverage over them. The Clinton family will self-exile to Paris.
I'd expect Trump to stay out of it completely.
That didn't take long: the left is interested in limited government again.
unjustified extrapolation from one data point on a very improbable hypothesis.
Libertarians should be girding themselves for four years of the federal government trampling their freedoms
And what happens after 4 years? The resurgent limited-government Republicans wrest control of the GOP back from the free-spending populist Trumpalos? Or the Democrats abandon the last hundred years or so of their platform? Face it, we're all socialists now.
Libertarian Moment!
FUCK YEAH !
If Hillary had won, our freedoms would totally not have been trampled!
Don't forget, our freedoms were totally safe and protected the last eight years too!
You cannot trample what will no longer exist.
Another bad thing about Trump winning is that when Hillary croaks they will try to deify her for losing to Trump. Then again Adlai Stevenson, George McGovern and Hubert Humphrey are not exactly the most beloved in death...
That happened here in Missouri.
Our Senator died, so his widow ran and won. Then his crooked children ran. They lost, mostly, but are still a nuisance.
I have a feeling I'll spend the whole day explaining how the electoral college works.
Me: no, dumbass, the cunt won jersey so my vote didn't effect jack shit.
"when Hillary croaks they will try to deify her"
... But they were going to do that regardless of this election and the events throughout the rest of her life. She has been entrenched as a "progressive" goddess; when she dies, she'll be part of the pantheon with FDR and company.
Pretty pathetic seeing as she has achieved absolutely nothing other than riding the coattails of her sexual predator husband.
I've already been attacked on Facebook for "voting Libertarian and costing Hillary the election". As I told one of the, neither I nor any Libertarian owe the Democrats a goddamn thing, least of all allegiance. They should be bitching about their party leadership running a shitbag candidate.
Expect a lot more of this...
Fun fact - Trump will likely finish with LESS votes than Mitt Romney in 2012.
HOWEVER
Obama 2012 - 65 million votes
Clinton 2016 - 58-59 million votes, depending on CA votes
Yep, the Obama coalition never turned out for Clinton. 7,8 million of whoever voted for Obama in 2012 stayed home. Some of them may have even defected to Trump. That was the cause of Clinton's defeat. She was bleeding badly OH and WI and lost even though Trump barely matched Romney's support there 4 years ago.
The race was close in a lot of states, but most dems who supported Johnson changed their minds in recent days. Unless exit numbers show otherwise, Johnson took more votes away from Trump, not Clinton.
Either way, I don't see how libs can blame this one on Gary and LP. Their own base betrayed Clinton.
Either way, I don't see how libs can blame this one on Gary and LP. Their own base betrayed Clinton.
Don't worry - prog will find a way
Another Dewey Defeats Truman moment. Is this evidence of the Libertarian Moment eh Gillespie?
Smug prick Dr. Gillespie "called" the race Hitlery by 7:30 PM
Oh and if Hillary gets more popular votes...
She gets to join President Gore?
So the pundits who knew what was going to happen were wrong, and now they've got PTSD, and they're anally extracting reasons why everything went so horribly wrong, and they're already digging at Trump.
I've already heard how all the minorities in the country are weeping and wailing because a racist is set to take over the country and women everywhere are running scared and...
Another was predicted that all the racial healing that took place under Obama would be undone.
The PTB have no clue what just happened.
If Trump thought getting elected was dirty, wait until he finds out what winning will be like.
'Another was predicted that all the racial healing that took place under Obama would be undone.'
LOL
I've been watching MSNBC and lapping up the tears. It's pretty fantastic watching.
About twenty years ago I was talking to an older client, her son had just been arrested for a string of bank robberies. During the course of the conversation she kept bringing up her need to go to the grocery store. Only, she wouldn't leave it at that, each time the grocery store came up she had to recite her entire shopping list. It was clearly a defense mechanism and also deeply disturbing to witness. Each time only added to the sense of the depth of her inner turmoil.
I was reminded of that episode while watching some airhead on NBC last night, as she kept repeating all of Trump's 'negatives' in an attempt to deny the reality that he was winning.
i could not get myself away from the TV. It was magical watching all the excuses and blame going around. And the puppets could not help themselves but to denigrate every voter of Trump each time they spoke.
For more progtard deliciousness............
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....sage-field
Submitted for your approval
It almost sounded like the onion wrote this. "They don't understand history, they probably didn't finish high school." Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha lolololololooolololollolz fuck you bitch, and all your statist globalist race baiting friends
That's like, prog-tears porn, or a snuff reel!
Oh and for Social Liberalism the Second Divorced President is once again a Republican. And he has been divorced twice! Libertarian Moment!
Yo Winny, your mom left the twenty on the night stand! Tell her thanks bro!
I suppose that this is the kind of incoherent idiocy that we can expect for the next four years.
Look, qjkxbmwvz, I'm just as concerned about this non-policy as you; i just heard about it in the news, same as everyone else, and I'm going to make sure that we get the best people we have together so we can all get some answers about this. Because that sort of thing is not what America's all about.
No five year plan? How will we know what to do?
I think the best we can hope for is that Trump does nothing whatsoever.
^THIS^
It is usually best.
Does nothing.
Undoes plenty.
That would be better.
That's a pretty damn good FB post dude. I may need to use a variation of that eliquence on my own feed. I both welcome and relish the anti-libertarian hate I'm about to get. Because I've got the power of consistent viewpoints to counter all vitriol. Gotta find the silver lining somewhere in life!
Shitbag Harry "nuclear option" Reid sheds a tear while claiming amnesia.
I hope that at least his drool bib didn't fall off.
The Republicans are idiots if they don't use the "nuclear option" themselves to ram SCOTUS appointments through, since the Democrats were planning that exact thing. So of course the Republicans won't use it, and will allow the Democrats to fillibuster another couple of Kennedy's onto the court.
Goodbye, Hillary, forever, you fucking cunt. I've been waiting a long time to say that.
Sorry, but we will have to be shown her booking photo soon.
Do they make Orange Mao Suits?
Whoever this cunt is, why is he still here?
Barry Diller? Who?
Just call up my get out of Murika hotline, Barry Diller, the funds to get your arse out of here are waiting for you! I'll drive you myself!
I wish for once these assholes who make these threats would actually fucking leave.
I agree = we should gird ourselves for what we've long come to expect. Because that's part of what America is all about.
God the absolute freakout on my facebook is amazing to watch. They are going full blown toddler over the election, everything from blaming all the white men, saying america hates women, unfriend me is you support hate, etc. Such tolerant, lovely little lefties.
Oh, it's great. A couple of my brain dead friends "liked" a page saying "If you voted Trump, explain to your LGBT+, non-white, and female friends why they don't matter to you."
Did Reason publish a "libertarian case for Hillary/Trump/Johnson/Stein/etc."?
Where have you been? These have appeared almost daily.
I guess the next S.C justice will be picked by Trump. And the 'climate change ' ex orders are history.. Then there's the tax cuts. could be an interesting 100 days
And I assume our NATO allies' are not happy right now.
Countries like Germany and Belgium might actually have to actually train their soldiers, rather than treat their armies as a glorified free jobs program. What a shock that will be.
They might have to spend more than 1% of their GDP on defense, too. The horror, the horror.
Germany training soldiers ... now that's always a good thing.
That might give Russia second thoughts about the election. (and Poland, and France, and the Czech Republic, and Belgium, and...)
Appropriate
Actually, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if the Senate decides to push Mr. Garland through before Trump takes over.
so many tears I need a surfboard.
~4m votes for Johnson
He beat the spread in about nine states. Too bad it's not enough for the matching funds debate, and not automatic ballot access everywhere (you only get that in NY in gubernatorial elections), but still pretty good, and a hell of a lot better than cucks like SIV were bleating about.
On MSNBC that's where Rachel Maddow went immediately. People voting for Johnson cost Clinton the election. Because every vote for Johnson was really just a protest vote against Trump by a Republican.
In my immediate circle, two women who are lifelong democrats flipped to Johnson this time around. Clinton couldn't hold on to the vote of a female, union-member, school teacher. It turns out she was a worse candidate than the worst candidate ever.
yeah, the fact that I voted for Romney 4 years ago and Johnson this time doesn't factor into those sore fucking losers.
everyone on facebook right now is a sore fucking loser, lashing out at everyone else and completely aghast that their shitty crooked candidate lost.
Honestly, that doesn't make any sense. If you want to blame Nader for GWB, then OK, he probably drew some votes from the left wing of the Democrats and plausibly cost the Dems Florida.
What on Earth makes you think that people who think that statism is bad would be natural allies of war-mongering neocon like Hillary Clinton?
The argument (I got into this on twitter like a full grown adult would) is that "I know more democrats protesting than actual libertarians" which I pointed out was a product of being a democrat with mostly democrat friends.
But people are not statisticians as a rule. Also people get dumb about elections especially.
It never occurs to such people that all their friends are democrats, so obviously 'most of the ones they know' doing anything are democrats.
I mentioned this a day or two ago on here but one of my aunts is a lifelong Democrat, anti-gun, pro-abortion type. She has been a Trumpkin since Clinton became the presumptive nominee. She despises Clinton. It's visceral.
Fuck Johnson. And fuck the L.P. too. They don't deserve 5%, or ballot access, or matching funds for putting up that fucking schmoo. He and Weld did their best to help Hillary, and did nothing for Libertarians. From the moment Johnson got the nomination, he started alienating his own supposed party (throwing Petersen's gift gun in the trash) then acting like a fucking retard in every interview. This was a golden opportunity for Libertarians and Johnson just shit on it. That kind of behavior should not be rewarded in any way.
Kick Johnson to the curb immediately, then fire Nicholas Sarwark and give the chairman job to Austin Petersen.
"throwing Petersen's gift gun in the trash)"
Sir D: That's not a gun, THIS is a gun!
Johnson/Weld was a profoundly wasted opportunity.
Mega fail, and yes heads should roll.
Soooooo, anything interesting happening around here lately?
I heard a rumor the Cubs won the World Series?
ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!
Yeah, it sounds different now, doesn't it? Idiots.
And I'm POSITIVE they would have said this if Hillary won.
Right?
RIGHT?!?!?
I wonder how long before the war protestors are marching again.
Unleash the Paper Mache Trump heads!
Hey what can I say, I kind of miss the giant heads.
"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won." ? President Obama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor, January 23, 2009.
It is almost magical how quickly people can change their entire world view.
Nothing magical about it. Their world view is based not on principles, or right and wrong; but on people, and might makes right.
"I won, and I will Trump you on that."
As if Obumbles can even play Bridge.
Huffpo analysis on Trump's victory.
So the Hillary taint lickers are shocked and upset that people don't trust them. Quel Dommage.
I love how they assume it's the media's job to defeat the Republican candidate and get the Democrat elected.
I just can't understand why people don't trust them!
"the public's trust in our reporting had been widely shattered. Many Americans didn't particularly care to read or hear what we had to say."
Wow, I am truly impressed. I never expected that much self-awareness from Huffpo.
I suspect for every article like that however there are six articles calling for white males to be put in boxcars (especially if they voted for Johnson).
It's going to be so awesome watching the tone and tenor in this place completely change 180 degrees from the bullshit we've had around here the last eight years. No more of the "everything is awesome and this is our libertarian moment" garbage. Instead it's going to be a whole lot of "the dark night of fascism has officially arrived in America."
In other words this is just about the most shameless piece of the pot calling the kettle black projection I've ever seen.
But I do expect to continue to read about the wholesomeness of carbon taxes, so there's that.
Look, Trump won by stirring up fear and anger and division with his shockingly inflammatory rhetoric. If he expects to be a legitimate President for all of the people it's incumbent upon him to recognize and accept that half the people in this country preferred Hillary's policies and adopt her platform. That's just logic. If he wants to call himself a Republican, he has to balance that concession by governing as a Democrat. That's how bipartisanship works.
This is what the left really believes.
Naturally. We're all just simple lemmings, easily swayed by words on tv. We should all thank allmighty Science that people like Jerryskids can send top men to save us.
The best part of a Trump presidency, for me, will be the opportunity to listen to "progressives" wailing and whining about the election results, then sarcastically reply to them with "it's the will of the people!"... Just like they always do when anyone else complains about an election result that wasn't in line with "progressive" principles.
Truth: the Democrats have already rediscovered, and embraced, the notion of adversarial and obstructionist legislative behavior.
Fortunately for Trump they have established the precedent that it's okay for the President to circumvent congress because they refuse to "cooperate" and are being "obstructionist".
I feel like the whole country has turned into Florida. You can't make this shit up. I'm gonna grab a beer and some popcorn and just watch. This should be really entertaining.
How are you gonna feel when Trump turns you into glue?!?!?!?!?!?
So many salty, salty tears today - there aren't enough buckets to capture all of the goodness
Here you go. - gallery of salty tears photos.
http://mashable.com/2016/11/09.....fWEOogbSqA
thank you /lizard voice
One must have a heart of stone to look at those photos without laughing
Prog freak out!! They're moving out of the USA!
that is why i held my nose and voted for Trump. The more progtards we can get to leave, the better.
Shows Sir Chips Alot the door -- kicks him on the ass.
Looks like Hillary will win the popular vote, which will be even more hilarious.
"Why are all these leftists suddenly so interested in the secession movement and federalism now?"
"The Constitution anticipated this. The Founding Fathers anticipated Donald Trump. They feared tyrants, they were overthrowing the rule of a king, and they designed a separation-of-powers government in which all of the true powers belonged to Congress, those can then be reviewed by the courts..."
Whatever. The duopoly keeps bouncing back and forth between statists on both sides.
Shhh. Don't spoil the celebration.
The progressive left truly are despicable.
What pisses me off about O'Donnell and his ilk even after the American people have spoken he still belittles them with a lame use of the Constitution.
People like him don't give a shit about the Constitution. They PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they like.
Fuck off.
You mention the Constitution. I'm sure the 4th Amendment just rolled over in its grave last night. What's left of it will be dragged into the bathtub and drowned by AG Christie and FBI Director Giuliani. But celebrate on please. Last night was a huge victory for liberty!
Christie better use the William Howard Taft sized tub if he's drowning anything in it. Otherwise he might get stuck.
Hey--you're getting your tears all over your whine!
"Libertarians should be girding themselves for four years of the federal government trampling their freedoms"
Relative to how much Hillary would have trampled on them?
Will our 2nd Amendment freedoms be trampled on in the way Hillary would have done?
I don't think so.
Also Trump has claimed he wants to roll back the federal regulatory state. If he actually does that to any significant degree, that would be an increase in freedom. He has stated that he wants to get rid of the Dodd Frank legislation that was premised on the liberal Democrat fairly tale that the financial crisis was caused by the private sector rather than government policy. That would be another increase in freedom.
If he cuts taxes, that's another increase in the freedom of people to keep more of their own money.
We will also not have a President Hillary appointing liberal Supreme Court judges that could rubber stamp further expansions of state power over us all for decades to come.
We will have to see how the mix of bad and good stuff that Trump has stated he wants to do actually gets enacted and plays out to see if, on balance freedom is expanded or contracted.
I suspect plenty of libertarians will be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump reverts to his take on narcotics policy up until this campaign, and pain patients (for instance) find it easier to get their pills (in states where the state policy isn't worse than federal), cannabis reform accelerates and breaks thru to the federal level, and clinical drug research becomes much easier. If Congress just cooperates, the ACA will soon be hx.
Cute how excited you are. I'm sure legislative restraint will be high in the agenda once Team Red has full control of all three branches of the Federal government.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over that incessant whine.
Why bother? As Obama has shown, Trump can have plenty of fun with executive orders.
"Libertarians should be girding themselves for four years of the federal government trampling their freedoms"
Relative to how much Hillary would have trampled on them?
Will our 2nd Amendment freedoms be trampled on in the way Hillary would have done?
I don't think so.
Also Trump has claimed he wants to roll back the federal regulatory state. If he actually does that to any significant degree, that would be an increase in freedom. He has stated that he wants to get rid of the Dodd Frank legislation that was premised on the liberal Democrat fairly tale that the financial crisis was caused by the private sector rather than government policy. That would be another increase in freedom.
If he cuts taxes, that's another increase in the freedom of people to keep more of their own money.
We will also not have a President Hillary appointing liberal Supreme Court judges that could rubber stamp further expansions of state power over us all for decades to come.
We will have to see how the mix of bad and good stuff that Trump has stated he wants to do actually gets enacted and plays out to see if, on balance freedom is expanded or contracted.
Considering how the whole federal apparatus just keeps rolling along, I don't expect much roll back of the federal regulatory state.
There might be some rollback of ObamaCare, but knowing how hard is is to kill federal programs, I don't expect it to completely go away.
Dodd?Frank was such a massive piece of legislation that it probably can't just be scrapped. It touches so many areas that piece by piece fixes are probably the best that can be hoped for.
Conservative Supreme Court judges have been quite willing to expand state power for their own purposes, so I don't expect much there.
Trump relationship with the rest of his party seems on edge, so I don't expect the congress to just fall in line behind what he wants to do.
damn squirrels
Cue the left rediscovering their approval of Assange & wikileaks.
Them too? Just yesterday I was listening to a nationalsocialist spy--who wanted Julian dead last year--suddenly eructing praise for the hacker. Does this mean he can go outside without getting busted? Is Manning (if still alive) pardoned?
So all of you uh...libertarians...celebrating the election of a big government populist...congratulations? I guess. You all sound very pleased.
Recognizing that the alternative candidate would have been worse doesn't constitute celebrating.
Oh you silly silly person. How old are you?
Get back to me if you come up with anything substantive to say.
Ok. You and the rest of your ilk posting here are shortsighted partisan hacks. You are celebrating the election of a unified government. Trump was probably the furthest candidate from a libertarian in this election, and he won. He hasn't even the slightest concept of the difference between positive and negative rights. He's going to rule based upon his gut feeling. And rule he will...with a cowed majority in congress and handpicked justices on the SC. People like Guiliani, Christie and other uber-statists are going to run his apparatus. And you're celebrating? FFS, at least go celebrate on Breitbart or some other Team Red site.
None of that refutes my prior post pointing out that recognizing that the alternative candidate would have been worse does not constitute celebrating.
I did not vote for or support Trump or Clinton. They are both terrible.
But she is more terrible than him.
"But she is more terrible than him."
We shall see.
Eric|11.9.16 @ 9:21AM|#
"We shall see."
Gee, Eric, did you promise to leave the country if Trump won? Did you bet the house on that hag?
I'm seeing a butt-hurt hil-bot here.
No fuckface. America is gonna be great again, so I'm staying.
I'm sure you would have been weeping in your pillow about scotus picks with hillary.
Depends on the issue. I'm not at all impressed with the "Originalists" take on the 4th over the past decade.
And not impressed with Hillary's take on the 2nd Amendment - or the 1st.
Gods above, Eric, you really need to do something about that whine--I bet it's coming from the corrosion your salty tears are causing.
Because really, no one can hear your sobbing and gnashing of teeth over that whine.
"So all of you uh...libertarians...celebrating the election of a big government populist...congratulations? I guess. You all sound very pleased."
I'm pleased the hag lost.
"Wow! We did every single thing perfectly, but America is just more racist and sexist than we thought!" - Dem post-game strategy talk, probably.
how naive is this? progtards are going to progtard. Of course it is all about limiting the power of the other side now the progtards lost control, however, the second they get control back, it will be all about the progtarding.
how naive is this? progtards are going to progtard. Of course it is all about limiting the power of the other side now the progtards lost control, however, the second they get control back, it will be all about the progtarding.
Good thing there are no libertarians at reason who cheered on extralegal activities like, oh, DACA and the precedent they set..
Yes this is a bad day because we have taken one more step towards being just another eurocratic socialist state. That was guaranteed to happen regardless of the winner, but we've now lost the one conservative party as well. That will pay foul dividends for years to come.
It's hard to believe Beyonce, Madonna and Lady Gaga didn't sway the election.
Don't forget Jay Z and the Misogynists ...
"Jay Z and the Misogynists"
Great name for a musical act. Kind of like "Siouxsie And The Banshees".
So the Rethugs nominated a loser who couldn't possibly win and yet the Dems nominated a miserable, venal, crooked hag who couldn't beat HIM?
Well, at least he probably won't put the WH silverware on ebay.
BTW, is there a line at the Canuk border of all the lefty twits promising to leave if Trump won?
Attention lefty twits. I left These States for Canada after National Socialist Nixon was elected, and had a really wonderful time. Canadians are cool sweet people, the place is civilized and fun, but cold. When you arrive you'll find there is a Libertarian Party of Canada up and running already, and because there are no abortion laws, most immigrants have been women these past few decades.
"Yes, take what we can get, then come back and ask for more." Actually reading Murray Rothbard, as opposed to hearing others misquote him, revealed that the guy was no more an anarchist than Rand's circle was a collectivist "collective." But by smearing him as anarchist, intellectuals of the looter persuasion put a damper on his efficacy, and, well... if the Lout really won, you can see how dissing libertarians helped THAT outcome...
I have to say, the tears here, the whining here, coming from members of the hampersandr commentariat, is the sweetest of all.
Random lefties are good, sure, but the tasty toasted faces of all those whose masks were ripped off is so. much. better.
Today, I don't mind the piping.
Because your whining is drowning it out!!!!11111!!!1!!won won won...................
I can only imagine the sheer orgasmic joy of people who actually supported Trump.
And I fear what a (corrupt, dishonest, war-mongering, vindictive) maniac like Clinton could do with unchecked power even more. So should you.
The markets are already back up, by the way.
Clinton showed the world why she lost when she did not show up to congratulate her supporters. In the truest sense of the word she 'phoned it in.'
This was not a presidential election, it was a referendum on the Clintons. Trump was brilliant enough to recognize it and use it. Alas - de Maistre here - we will get the government we deserve.
hahaha why are there libertarians butt hurt Clinton lost? We all realize trump is a wild card. We will hold his feet to the fire when he does anything anti Liberty.
RE:
HIT & RUN BLOG
Trump Gives Victory Speech, Liberals Rediscover Appeal of Limited Government
Has there ever been a more powerful case for limited government?
1. Trump the Grump won. Yay! I sure am glad I invested in brown shirts and jackboots.
2. The last time liberals discovered limited government was when Andrew Jackson was president.
I voted for Johnson. (just to get that out of the way.)
Should NeverTrump and others hold Trump accountable, and fight for limited government?
Principle says yes.
However...I think a strong case could be made for Trump to make the progressives take a strong dose of their own medicine.
I really don't think a constrained Trump = smaller executive for Warren 2020.
I think this is progressives playing possum until they get back in office.
Now, what could really, really make them take a serious thought about presidential power?
It being deployed against them in a painful way.
Want the IRS depoliticized? Sick it on the Dems.
Now, if I were in charge, which I am not, I'd specifically have time limits. For example, I would refuse to grant any Dem FOIA release for as long as IRS didn't release emails.
I'd allow IRS to run wild on Soros and whoever, for the same length of time Obama did it. I'd be very specific about that.
Same with Senate fillibuster. I'd remove it just as long as Reid removed it.
Because tit for tat is a proven game theory tactic to produce cooperation.
Just a thought. It will never happen the way I want it, and probably would become permanent...
"Trump's election has sent shockwaves: the markets are in free-fall, Democratic voters are petrified, and the media has no idea what just happened."
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