Republican Delegates Wish Party Would Get Over Its Porn Paranoia
"I don't know that it's the government's part to regulate sins and all of that."
Tucked into a section on criminal justice reform, the Republican Party's 2016 platform suddenly takes a turn for the weird: Pornography, it states, "has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace." But while GOP officials might want to control American's viewing habits and fantasies, rank-and-file Republicans don't seem so sure Uncle Sam looks good as an anti-porn crusader.
Interviewing delegates and other attendees inside the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, we discovered many—including quite a few who claim to abhor pornography—want the party to stop focusing so much on social and sexual issues and fear that attempts to outlaw or censor online-porn betray the party's alleged commitment to limited government.
"We're a free country," says delegate Eric Lakin, of Los Angeles, California. "You wanna look at pornography? Go for it, as long as it's not child pornography. I have a real problem with the Republican Party trying to get into our bedroom. Don't tell me who to sleep with, don't tell me who to marry. If I wanna marry my horse, that should be legal. It should be about immigration, national defense, maintaining our roads, low taxes, and big business. I think the Republican Party needs to get a grip."
Matthew McAuliffe, a John-Kasich-hat sporting delegate from Columbus, Ohio, also thinks porn has "no place in the party platform." But "platforms like this get written when a lack of leadership occurs," he says.
Shaun Ireland, a delegate from Austin, Texas, who voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 but now supports Donald Trump, says "there are too many laws that go on right now. I don't know why [porn] would be in the platform."
Billy Carroll, a delegate from Delaware, doesn't mind its inclusion in the platform. But he doesn't think there's much government can do about pornography, on a practical level. "I don't know that there's much that you can do to stop it. It's on the Internet, it's available."
According to Ian Paul, CIO of Naughty America, the porn industry brings in $3.3 billion annually from U.S. platform. Some 70 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds admit to watching online porn "regularly."
This bothers Craig Lacardy, a delegate from Texas wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with Bible verses. He thinks porn is "a disgusting bane on our civilization" and that watching porn is analogous to adultery. But while he wouldn't mind seeing porn-production outlawed, he admits there are also constitutional concerns to consider. "It's a thorny issue."
Others are similarly conflicted. A delegate from Oklahoma says he thinks porn is a moral hazard that can cause harm to society, but admits that he looked at a Playboy and Hustler when he was younger, and he doesn't think online porn is all that different. "I'm not for banning free speech, I'm not for banning art, but I am for banning smut," he offers.
A delegate from Louisiana says the new porn clause in the GOP platform is "appropriate," because "we are the conservatives of the country. We are the party of God. The decline in the morality in our country is directly attributable to the problems that you see right now." But then he pauses and adds: "I hate to say it and … I guess this might be the libertarian in me, but I don't know that it's the government's part to regulate sins and all of that."
"It's our role to go out as Christians to tell people why they shouldn't participate in pornography," he continues, "but if someone wants to build a business somewhere, it's not [the government's] place to tell them know you can't build that business there. And I don't think government should be telling people, you can't do this in your home."
Some delegates worry that the Republican Party's focus on these sorts of issues is holding it back. "You have these entrenched interests, what I call the Old Establishment," says Lakin, naming George W. Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich as examples. "These folks, they represent the old party. And this is a revolution—we are taking back the Republican Party. It's either make it or break it time, because it's gonna blow up or it's gonna charge forward with this great new candidate, Donald Trump, warts and all. He is breaking the old establishment party and we are charging forward and redefining what [the party is] going to be."
Chris DePino, a delegate from New Haven, Connecticut, whips out his harmonica and sings his answer to the pornography question: "I wish my party would get off pornography. I wish my party would be the best that it can be." DePino jokes that he's "living proof" that watching too much porn might ruin your eyesight, but "it's worth wearing glasses."
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Republican Delegates Wish Party Would Get Over Its Porn Paranoia
"I don't know that it's the government's part to regulate sins and all of that."
What about the sins of Pokemon Go?
We can look at this as personal morality versus political/social morality.
The latter always constitute some form of a violation of freedom of association. Personal morality deals much more with one's concept of rights and wrong regardless if their are any associations involved.
Without taking a dive off the philosophical deep end, I've been trying to restructure my understanding of libertarianism without the concept of "rights."
I like your use of freedom of association to separate personal morality from social morality. I'll have to think about it more.
Porn thread. This should be good. Bonus: it's not immigration.
*wanders away to make supper*
Does Brazilian fart porn count as immigration?
Only in passing.
*tapers stare*
Chris DePino, a delegate from New Haven, Connecticut, whips out his
Missed opportunity for better name: Chris DePorno.
Careful, you don't want to become the next Kenneth Pinyan.
"If I wanna marry my horse, that should be legal"
The problem with that view is that I don't even think that is much of a political viewpoint. What you do with your "pets" is basically up to you unless it constitutes animal abuse.
I think people might agree that the concept of marriage is necessarily one between people.
Associate with your horse as you wish (given the above restraint).
Are you denying the emotional bond a human has with his/her companion animal?
Bigot!
How does a horse sign a contract?
Stomp once for "no," stomp several times for "yes, yes, don't stop!"
ALTERNATE JOKE: "If this contract is not agreeable to you, say 'neigh.'"
Do you take this man to be your husband?
Neigh
I'm obviously no match for your commenting skills
Some 70 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds admit to watching online porn "regularly."
So that's 40% of women aged 18?34?
They're not watching the porn, they are the porn.
Yeah porn isn't a moral issue. It might be considered a vice by some but if the only justification they have for making it a moral issue is the dictat of a sky fairy, they can go flagellate themselves.
Ive got to agree. The GOP has bigger fish to fry than porn. High taxes, low rates of unemployment, laws that need reviewing, a supreme court justice that needs replacing and more to come in the future years. Porn should be pretty low on the list!!
The only thing sweeter than low-hanging fruit is forbidden fruit.
This explains the popularity of Gilligan's Island.
+1 Little Buddy
http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/11084648
Probably already covered at some point earlier. I don't believe the state should have the power of life or death over its citizens but stories like this make reconsider my views from time to time.
If Hell in fact exists may she burn there eternally.
omg
The Washington Post has a much more detail on the story but I'm too stupid/lazy to httplr?..or whatever the fuck.
See? Can't even write a proper sentence. Sour Diesel is a good strain.
I'm not a big fan of sour diesel. Don't know why, just don't care for it.
Without trying to start a debate on the death penalty, there's always someone doing something out there who can make one who is normally against the DP to at least reconsider.
Actual predatory sex offenders. Put bullets in them. There is no use in paying for their future.
"If I wanna marry my horse, that should be legal."
Dude, it *is* legal.
Of course, the government won't recognize you as man and wife, or Ed and Wilbur, or whatever, but you an hold a ceremony right in the middle of Mississippi and have a Unitarian minister unite you in holy horselock or whatever it's called.
Come to think of it, there are still some bestiality laws left on the books, but I'm sure you could set up a legal defense fund and get the courts to strike those laws down.
He thinks porn is "a disgusting bane on our civilization" and that watching porn is analogous to adultery. But while he wouldn't mind seeing porn-production outlawed, he admits there are also constitutional concerns to consider.
"That damn Constitution. It's a disgusting bane on our civilization!"
Closet porn aficionado, guaranteed
Two more reasons why the GOP needs to get over its porn paranoia:
1. Progressives are going neo-Victorian over porn, and when they adopt a traditional conservative position over something, that's a reliable sign that the traditional conservative position is the wrong one.
2. "1950s household" is now a recognized Thing in the kink/BDSM community.
Which Victorians are we talking about? There were a lot of alternate-lifestyle people in that era, including "The Other Victoria," Victoria Woodhull.
As for Victorian culture in general, they used social pressure, and sometimes law, to enforce the idea that sex is for marriage, that husbands and wives should love each other, that divorce was to be frowned on, that women had a special role in maintaining moral purity of the whole community, the need to stay together for the kids, and some other things - some of these ideas were novel for the time, some were fairly traditional.
The progs want to use social pressure to enforce *their* sex norms, but they also want to make far greater use of government than the Victorians. Prog norms are a supposed commitment to diversity of lifestyles, but in general there's a far greater focus on the short-term emotional fulfillment of the parties to a relationship/marriage/cohabitation arrangement. The assumption is that the kids will be happiest if the adults follow their bliss. (In case of a conflict between Dad's bliss and Mom's bliss, Mom's bliss wins), thus by happy coincidence, there's no need to sacrifice for the kids.
And to a far greater extent than Victorian values, prog sex values get enforced by the truncheon and jackboot.
The advent of reliable birth control factors in heavily, as well. In the Victorian era, promiscuity resulted in urchins and bastards. Today, going against prog sex values results in... well.... getting called a bigot.
However, as you've identified, the use of force has been racheted up these days.
Oh, Eddie, I was gonna ask you this in another thread, but it's much more appropriate here. What are your thoughts on distributists' focus on the family as the core social unit? I think it makes a ton of sense, especially in situations like this where cultural norms are to be enforced. Doing so through social and familial persuasion is much better than state coercion.
Sounds good to me, one of these days I should really do a study of the Distributist literature.
Until then, I can only say it sounds like a good idea, thank you for asking!
"I think the Republican Party needs to get a grip." IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
"Porn menace." Probably a platform gift from the Ted Cruz wackos.
We can even create playlists of them so it will be very easy to find our videos which we like. We can also download those videos and can watch them offline. Showbox for pc