Police Abuse

Cops Can Stop Harassing People, if Voters and Politicians Stop Pushing Laws That Make Them

The power's with the people.


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As police violence returns into the mainstream news cycle with the killings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castle by cops as well as of 19-year-olds Pedro Villaneuva and Dylan Noble, and others, people struggle to find solutions to the problem or narratives about it that fit their pre-existing ideologies (though often missing that Black Lives Matter has released a comprehensive set of reform policy proposals—I sometimes wonder how much of a lobby it would be if half the protesters of the last week spent half an hour contacting the offices of local representatives and candidates about specific Campaign Zero proposals as well).

Over at Salon, Daniel Denvir argues that part of the problem is the criminalization of the hustle. He points out that Eric Garner was killed by police in New York over selling loose cigarettes and Sterling in Baton Rouge over selling CDs. "Informal workers win some freedoms and flexibility in communities otherwise dominated by precarious service sector jobs," Denvir writes, while complaining that they're "not guaranteed a minimum wage, and earn no unemployment, Social Security or other benefits."

Then he hits a blind spot. "They are also, by virtue of the illegality of their business," he writes, "prima facie subject to aggressive policing." While acknowledging selling loose cigarettes and CDs is "just the tip" of an "iceberg of informal work" that could represent the source of more than $2 trillion in underground income, according to a 2011 study, he misses the point that such work can be decriminalized.

"The contemporary era of policing and mass incarceration emerged precisely to confront black people with limited or no access to formal work," Denvir writes, skipping the solvability of the illegality of work that is inherently non-violent for the far more difficult and persistent problem of racism.

People like Sterling and Garner, and countless others who are regularly harassed by law enforcement but against whom deadly force was not used, are engaged in work that is inherently non-violent. The sale of loose cigarettes is banned because governments feel they ought to have a cut of that action. The sales taxes paid on the loose cigarettes when they're bought by loosey sellers are often paid in other jurisdictions than the ones where they are sold. People like Garner are engaging in free enterprise—finding a product at a lower price point than selling it at a higher one in a fashion (one by one) unavailable from brick and mortar sellers.

A decade ago, I wrote about rappers in New York City who eschewed the quest for a record deal by producing and selling their own CDs in Times Square. They all said they did pretty well, and it certainly appeared so when I followed their daily routines. Unfortunately the piece, a masters' thesis for Columbia, no longer exists online. Last summer, New Yorkers were calling for a police crackdown on costumed characters in Times Square, performers often doing nothing more than selling photo ops for some cash. Whether or not and how much laws against the sale of loose cigarettes and other merchandise, "quality of life" laws and other laws that drive certain inherently non-violent economic activity into the underground are rooted in racism, they are laws that have been passed by the government and can be repealed by it. This solution has often been dismissed.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D), a progressive lauded upon his initial election, roundly rejected the idea that the city could back off on enforcing the kind of petty laws that put the livelihoods, and sometimes lives, of people like Eric Garner in danger. In fact, he insisted police would continue to "strictly enforce" such laws. "The law is the law," de Blasio helpfully added. Complying with police was what "democracy" was all about, according to New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton. Worse, when police in New York slowed down on making "unnecessary arrests" after two cops were shot and killed in December 2014, rather than being praised for refusing to arrest people unnecessarily, they were lambasted by outlets like The New York Times, which suggested "withdrawing policing from minority communities" could constitute a civil rights violation. The period saw a 94 percent drop in traffic citations, a 92 percent drop in parking citations, and a 66 percent drop in arrests, without any sign in a rise of the crime rate or an unwillingness by police to apprehend and arrest violent criminals.

As I wrote last year, police kill people in part because we want them to. Police are a democratic institution—the privileges and immunities cops enjoy and the laws they are given to enforce come from a democratic process and can be reformed in that way. (Bernie Sanders pointed to police departments as examples of everyday socialism.) Repealing such laws that unnecessarily make targets out of people otherwise engaged in peaceful activity would not only reduce police violence but also tackle the problem of racism in police violence, as many of these laws have a disparate racial impact and contribute to the racial inequities in policing.

Police today are left told by democratically-elected governments to enforce petty laws strictly while also given privileges and immunities by those governments that make it difficult, if not impossible, to fire some officers absent of a criminal conviction. This puts the communities they police in danger, by creating police interactions where violence is introduced to otherwise non-violent behavior. It also puts police in danger, by forcing them into unnecessary interactions and by creating such protections from there, largely through police contracts and state laws, that public outcry often seems like it'd be more likely to produce a criminal charge (but not necessarily a conviction) than a termination. All the officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray (alleged by police to have an illegal knife) in police custody have retained their jobs. Those who have been tried so far have been found not guilty.

It ought to be possible to terminate cops short of criminal convictions for incidents like that involving Gray's, and it is possible, with reforms to union contracts and the legal relationship between the police department and their local governments, solutions missed by a focus on individual cops involved in egregious situations tinged with racism instead of on the systemic problems that catch an untold number of people, black, white, and every other color, in a policing system that, by its virtue as law enforcement, is prima facie a tool of violence. Every law is capable of costing lives in its enforcement, a key piece of understanding to reduce police violence.

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  1. I would agree that “the power is with the people”, if I thought our political class was much concerned with anything other than care and feeding of their cronies and stoking tribalist conflict for their own benefit.

    1. There’s no political power in living and letting live.

      1. “As I wrote last year, police kill people in part because we want them to.”

        Yeah man! I want the pigs to kill all the people who blow on a cheap plastic flutes w/o permission from a gub-mint Almighty-licensed physician, dammit! … I larned that them thar proper respect from my Moral Superiors in Gubmint Almighty from the Church of Scienfoology. To larn moah about that them thar Church of Scienfoology, please see … If’n ye donna believe me about gittin’ prescriptions for “coughing” or “nose-blowing” then please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com ? And search for “lung flute” and “ear popper” …

    2. Even if the power was with the people, I wouldn’t trust people to repeal most laws and vote for less regulation.

      1. Precisely. “The people” are uniquely unqualified to decide on matters of my life, liberty and property.

        1. And WHUT, pray tell, are “the people” tellin’ us all, that we should eat fer brekfust tomorroweeo?

      2. So our only hope lies with robots?

        1. Only if the robots are robotic woodchippers!!!!

  2. No deal. $1000 fines for food labeling it is!

  3. Cops Can Stop Harassing People, if Voters and Politicians Stop Pushing Laws That Make Them

    Thank you, Ed, for being honest about how comprehensive this problem is.


  4. It ought to be possible to terminate cops short of criminal convictions for incidents like that involving Gray’s

    How about zero tolerance for lack of bodycam-recording?

    1. How about zero tolerance for anything that thwarts transparency. IMHO, the police violence problem isn’t much different than HRC’s emails. It all boils down to a lack of accountability for government employees at any level. And, they continue to get away with it because the government can never seem to find evidence of any intentional wrongdoing by their fellow government associates (funny that). Why can they never find that evidence of wrongdoing? Because records that would tend to show it always seem to go missing or weren’t captured to begin with. And, it’s never anyone’s fault that the record was destroyed or didn’t exists. It’s all just coincidence, you know, act of god and all that jazz. The only solution that I can see would be to subject government employees to the UCMJ (or something similar). We require people who join the military to sign away some of their constitutional protections. Can’t we, or maybe I should say, shouldn’t we do the same thing for regular government employees too?

      1. And, it’s never anyone’s fault that the record was destroyed or didn’t exists.

        The buck sops here.

        1. I’m thinking a scapegoat would be a little harder to find if the punishment for dereliction of duty was jail time and not a few days of unpaid time off. But, I could be wrong.

      2. If I was a cop, I’d pull the Clinton gambit.
        “Well, you see, I store the body cam footage on a personal files server in my basement, along with cookie recipes and pictures of the kids. After reviewing the footage there was no pertinent video to turn over. And then I wiped the server.”

        I mean, it worked for the future POTUS.

  5. rather than being praised for refusing to arrest people unnecessarily, they were lambasted by outlets like The New York Times, which suggested “withdrawing policing from minority communities” could constitute a civil rights violation.

    This is just it, isn’t it? The New York Times represents the worst kind of “customer” a service provider can have. I want you to provide me with a fully therapeutic experience, sating all of my explicit and implicit desires, but if you fail on any point, defined by me at any time, I’ll sue you into the ground.

  6. Remember, BLM’s roots are a protest against policing for revenue, and the use of armed agents of the state to extract revenue from the residents of poor municipalities that cannot generate enough revenue to satisfy the demands of government via taxes.

    Laws and bureaucracies designed and operated to extract revenue are not something that people vote for, typically. The notion that our current ruling class and its minions in various bureaucracies and armed agencies are responsive to voters is naive, in my opinion.

    1. The rise of the regulatory state was specifically designed to create buffers between democracy and the ruling institutions. Literally… explicitly. I mean fuck, when they were being created, the creators were saying on the podium, loud and proud, that they wanted to create institutions that were “free from politics”.

      1. More specifically, they wanted to create institutions that would do what they were afraid to do and provide them with a political foil.

  7. Police are a democratic institution?the privileges and immunities cops enjoy and the laws they are given to enforce come from a democratic process and can be reformed in that way.

    If by “Democratic process” you mean an entrenched public sector union that I have zero say over and has bought and paid for every politician in the burgh, sure.

    No one hesitated to call Tammany Hall corrupt, I don’t know why we don’t apply the same descriptors to its modern day facsimile.

      1. Aldermanic?

    1. Government is so much bigger now and the local, state and federal arms are more entwined. It collapses the us/them divide. In many ways, asking people to call the government corrupt is asking them to call themselves or a family member corrupt because the state has consumed their economic potential.

      1. Remember how the DNC chair in the 90s said that the goal of the Democrats should be to get everyone some kind of subsidy from government?

      2. Word.

        I will, however, offer up: “It’s not the meat; it’s the motion.”

        1. My meat is in motion! It moves that we should all worship Gub-mint Almighty!
          Scienfoology Song? GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers

          Government loves me, This I know,
          For the Government tells me so,
          Little ones to GAWD belong,
          We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          My Nannies tell me so!

          GAWD does love me, yes indeed,
          Keeps me safe, and gives me feed,
          Shelters me from bad drugs and weed,
          And gives me all that I might need!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          My Nannies tell me so!

          DEA, CIA, KGB,
          Our protectors, they will be,
          FBI, TSA, and FDA,
          With us, astride us, in every way!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
          My Nannies tell me so!

  8. There is not one single law, regulation, or administrative rule that can be enforced without the threat of immediate death at the hands of zealous officer of the law.

    Yet this is all about racism.

  9. Ha! This is hilarious. Half the country thinks it is cops who are getting the short end of the stick, that they ware not being aggressive enough, that we shouldn’t question their “split second” decisions to “protect us”, etc.

  10. Garner and Sterling didn’t die because they sold loose cigarettes and CDs. They died because they fought with police. The supposed unjustness of the laws seems largely irrelevant.

    Also, I doubt if Sterling was selling original music on those CDs, given that one of the previous offenses on his 46-page rap sheet was for selling pirated music.

    Libertarians are as susceptible to confirmation bias as people with any other ideology. Progs look at these cases and think we can stop them by “ending racism.” Libertarians think we can by changing laws or police procedures. But no matter what you do, there will always be violent dimwits, doing violent, dimwitted things like fighting with police.

    1. I think you’re missing the subtleties of the point.

      Yes, in some cases they fought with police. However, there’s plenty of evidence that whatever ‘struggle’ they put forward didn’t rise to the level of a death sentence.

      Remember, the state’s argument (which was subsequently won by the state) was that Kelly Thomas (white, unfortunately for him) “fought with police” so his being beaten un-recognizable which lead to his expiration was ultimately justified.

      I guarantee you that if eight of my friends want you subdued, we’ll do it and you’ll live to talk about it.

      The second point which you’re whistling past is that we’re giving the cops too many opportunities to enter into conflict with the people they’re supposed to serve.

      If smelling flowers became illegal, and a cop tried to manhandle me to the ground because he caught me taking a whiff and I die in the ensuing struggle, are we not supposed to even take note that maybe smelling flowers shouldn’t be illegal?

      1. What I am saying is that fighting with police greatly increases your chances of getting beaten or shot. I’m not saying that anyone should be beaten or shot for selling loose cigarettes or pirated CDs or smelling flowers or some other minor crime.

        1. Sure it does. But what’s being argued is that it seems that having any interaction with the police increases your chances of being beaten or shot, and given what we’ve witnessed from the after-action reports is that it will almost always be ruled justified.

          “Show me your ID”

          *reaches for ID*


          *deap breath*


          “He made a reach”


          1. You both have good points, so let me state the really good point in my apparently inimitable way:

            Overcriminaliz’n per se does not acc’t for the problem. it’s a separate problem. Overpolicing is the problem here. The number of laws is never a limiting factor in the prod’n of overpolicing. As long as anything is illegal, confront’ns such as this will occur. You’d have to abolish all law, literally every last law, to take away any amount of excuses. Overpolicing doesn’t have to exist regardless of the # of laws.

            1. The question when enacting any law that should be raises is this: Is this worth a potential deadly altercation? The answer to that question for many laws might be yes. If police are chasing an armed robbery suspect or murderer, obviously, deadly force should be on the table. Should deadly force be on the table for a speeding ticket or broken tail light? I’m thinking no.

          2. Yup, Ive personally experienced this, but at least i didn’t get shot. I was busted for having sex in ways the government disapproves. I was raided by about 5-6 stormtroopers…Just lil ole me. They asked me to reach for something, and I did, but too fast. The cops were clenching their guns and huffing and puffin acting scared..Mind you it’s just lil ole me, and they went out of their way to bust me. Thank god I didn’t get shot.. If I had moved too slowly that would have been noncompliance. What are we supposed to do?

    2. How dare they resist when some guy comes up and starts strangling them without any justification except wearing a uniform!

    3. Shorter Papaya: Submit or Die

      1. How else do you deal with sufferers of drapetomania?

        1. “It pays to increase your wordpower.”

          Thanks, SF!

          1. That word-a-day toilet paper has really been paying off.

            1. Way to other some Venezuelans, Shitlord.

        2. Cartwright prescribed “whipping the devil out of them” as a “preventative measure”.[2]:35[7][8] As a remedy for this “disease,” doctors also made running a physical impossibility by prescribing the removal of both big toes.


          Are you really going to say he’s wrong?

      2. No, it’s not “Submit or die.” It’s more “Use common sense.”

        People here are always talking about how cops are often power-tripping sociopaths looking for a fight. Well, I don’t know about you, but when I encounter anyone who might be a power-tripping sociopath looking for a fight, I avoid antagonizing them.

      3. Shorter Papaya: If cops can’t kill people for nothing, what will I have to jerk off to?

    4. I haven’t seen video of Sterling, but I’d hardly call what Garner did “fighting with police”. He complained, loudly, about being harassed, before being put in a choke hold from behind and tackled to the ground.

      1. From what I could tell, Sterling was fighting, and had a handgun (illegally) that they thought he was going for during the struggle.

        Garner was only verbally fighting with police, and I’m not saying the police handled that well. But again, people here can’t simultaneously claim that police are very, very dangerous to deal with, and then act surprised when dimwits get into confrontations with them and lose badly.

        There certainly are clear cases of police abuse. Unfortunately, most of the headline cases seem to be arguable at best, and basically fraudulent at worst (e.g. Michael Brown).

        1. I don’t know if anyone is really surprised.

          You are right that a lot of the people who get killed by cops aren’t behaving in the ideal way. But they shouldn’t have to. It’s the responsibility of the police to use no more force than is absolutely necessary. The outrage isn’t because they were just nice, well behaved people minding their own business (though that is sometimes the case, as it seems to be in the Minnesota case).

    5. You are,and always will be,a cop cock sucker,Please jump into a wood chipper.

      1. Your insight is as good as your typing.

    6. They died because they fought with police.

      This obscures who the aggressor was (the cops, in many cases), and whether the aggression was justified.

      The idea that anyone who resists the police deserves to die is just a retooling of “submit or die”, the creed of slavers since time immemorial.

      1. The idea that anyone who resists the police deserves to die is just a retooling of “submit or die”, the creed of slavers since time immemorial.

        Papaya is down at the bingo hall, every night, playing, 3, 4 cards at a time.

      2. R C, you are usually more nuanced than this. I am not, in any way, saying that anyone who fights with police “deserves to die.” I am saying that people who fight with police put themselves at risk of being beaten or killed. So, it’s a stupid thing to do, regardless of whether the law is a good one, regardless of who the aggressor was, regardless of anything.

        1. Perhaps we need to have our LEO’s actually spend time in training like they do in other countries. Not weeks before they graduate, but years. Perhaps a LEO should have to spend over 1000 hours training how to deescalate a situation before they are allowed on the streets and another 2 or 3 thousand hours in the same training before being allowed to carry a weapon?

          We’re giving a bunch of wanna be enforcers a job without actually giving them the tools to do the job without resorting to violence.

  11. RE: Cops Can Stop Harassing People, if Voters and Politicians Stop Pushing Laws That Make Them
    The power’s with the people.

    What a ridiculous statement.
    The very idea of removing unnecessary and counter-productive laws would result in the police stop harassing the untermenschen in our society. It is the duty of every socialist slaver to make up new and unconstitutional laws invading the privacy the unwashed masses for the convenience of The State and their minions. One must not forget our beloved socialist slavers in power are accelerating the Glorious People’s Revolution when they enact such legislation. This way our unneeded and old fashioned US Constitution will finally be thrown into the dustbin of history along with such silly notions of freedom, personal responsibility and privacy. It is only through government snooping, confiscation and having a super police state can the little people of this country be free to enjoy the benefits and wonders of socialist slavers that has been so kindly given to us by a bunch of clueless, over-educated useful idiots who rule over us with an iron hand in a velvet glove. Indeed, shouldn’t we all get on our knees and pray to the gods of socialism that our slavers enact more legislation to put us further into bondage and repression for the sake of the collective?

  12. When it comes to mass incarceration, the real problem is that we have a system with too many resources. They can go after any crime they want. The laws are all structured to force plea deals with max sentences being ridiculous even for petty offenses and a lot of it hinging on the cops word. So you can do no jail time or look at 6 months to a year for some petty misdemeanor. Most people are never able to have a trial, and they are threatened with overcharging/recharging if they do (so someone who has 3 charges may see 2 dropped, but if they dare assert their rights watch how quickly the prosecutor will recharge just to fuck with them).

    Lawyer guilds drive up the price of private defense to a point where many people simply can’t afford it.

    The entire system is a monstrosity.

  13. California just passed laws this past month bringin the legal smoking age to 21 and making magazines over 10 rounds illegal (among other things). The same people that cheered these laws on are the same ones that wonder why cops are harassing minorities. If you bring this up they cover their ears and walk away. Fucking progressives.

    1. How many \semi auto pistols does that out law [ Glock ect [? I assume cops can have and carry what ever they want,on and off duty. Only the state agents shall have guns,huh.

      1. Yup, current and former law enforcement get a pass. They had previously outlawed new magazines of over 10 dome years back. This new law outlaws the mags that people bought before. They never fucking stop with this shit here.

  14. Then he hits a blind spot.

    That’s generous. Maybe he knows exactly where the argument leads and just doesn’t want to go there because he’s mendacious?

    My very first youtube upload = an except from The Wire which i saw recently which i think should be replayed daily to black folks to help them realize why Democrats have never really ever wanted to “help” poor people help themselves.

    Also = i think i’m going to change my handle, finally.

    1. To Dennis?

      1. Wow, that’s much better than what i had in mind

      2. I mean THAT’s much better

    2. Meanwhile, he goes to the local drug kingpin, who hands him $15000 in cash.

      1. I should have left that part in, right

    3. Still hard to believe that this was written by David Simon.

      Just needs a bit of civil reform and all will be right.

  15. It comes to this: Police Chief makes sense.

    Dallas Police Chief ‘We’re Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country’

    Saying he was “running on fumes,” Brown spoke frankly about everything that his employees have to deal with on a daily basis ? and that it can be overwhelming at times.

    “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country” said Brown.

    “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve” said Brown. He listed mental health, drug addiction, loose dogs, failing schools as problems the public expects ‘cops to solve.’

    “Seventy percent of the African American community is being raised by single women, let’s give it to the cops to solve that as well” said Brown. “Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

    1. So… more training, money and equipment required.

      1. I read it that he wants the police to do less, not more (training, money, etc.).

        1. I wanted to read it that way, but I suspect the first government official that suggests shrinking the mission won’t get the support of the unions blah blah blah.

      2. Don’t forget about the studies! We’re going to need loooooots of studies.

    2. “Seventy percent of the African American community is being raised by single women, let’s give it to the cops to solve that as well” said Brown.

      Good thing Brown is, um, brown.

      1. One way they could help is to stop arresting black men. If they aren’t arrested, they can’t be charged, and if they aren’t charged, they can’t be imprisoned and thus not available to raise their children.

        1. Are seventy percent of black men in jail? I mean, no idea about the numbers he’s tossing around, but if they’re accurate, then incarceration is only part of the problem.

    3. Why the hell isn’t Brown running for President?

      I never thought I’d say that about a cop, but everything I’ve seen from him is vastly better than anything I’ve seen from any of the Presidential candidates.

      1. I think both the Republicans and Democrats would be open to a convention nomination.

    4. That’s the truth….but we can’t tell the truth because it fucks with the narrative.

    5. I saw that on the news. My first reaction was

      THEN DONT DO IT!!!

      Popo spend too much time worrying about vices. They dont have to do bp stings or arrest pot smokers, yet they do. How else can they take fines and goodies from people and bolster crime stats? Imo hes acting as though poor wittle cops just dont wanna enforce petty laws…

  16. “The law is the law,” de Blasio helpfully added.

    Huh. Look at that, de Blasio is in favor of prosecuting Hillary. Whoda guessed?

    1. Garner intended to sell cigarettes. Hillary didn’t intend to hide her public communications from FOIA requests expose classified material to every hacker with an internet connection.

  17. Do you know the IRS code? What is an employee ? (c) Employee. For purposes of this chapter, the term ’employee’ includes an officer, employee, or elected official of the United States, a State, or any political subdivision thereof, or the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of any one or more of the foregoing. The term ’employee’ also includes an officer of a corporation.”
    The libertarian/conservative establishment does not understand the US Individual Income tax. Selling loose cigarettes or CD’s or any private market venture not profiting from a federal government privilege is not in any way ” employment” that pays wages, including the pay of the Reason staff. If you are in the non privileged private sector you voluntarily pay payroll and federal income taxes, whether you know it or not. Thousands every year get full refunds of income taxes and payroll taxes -the IRS has admitted to at least 10,000 processed a year.
    The US INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX is mandatory on privileges, voluntary on rights. see http://www.nontaxpayersforronpaul.blogspot.com

  18. I told a Bernie supporter something along these lines and all they did was basically ignore what I was saying.

    If you want an expanded government that can regulate everything, you’re gonna need a lot of enforcers with guns to enforce your view of utopia. They don’t like to think of the consequences of their mind frame that, “There ought to be a law,” because laws are magic don’t you know?

    1. The Occupy meme:

      Wants more government

      More government.

      1. Love that meme.

  19. There was something I keep seeing from a law professor. He points out that every law, no matter how trivial, can lead to the death of someone on its enforcement. It may be unlikely, but even minor offenses such as selling CDs or loose cigarettes can lead to someone’s death. It is the nature of law as ultimately all law is backed up by physical force.

    1. Yeah man, so don’t be blowin’ on a cheap plastic flute w/o a Gubmint-Almighty-certified physician’s approval! Don’t be “coughing” or “pinching yer nose and blowin’ on it” or “scratrchin’ yer ass” either! If’n ye donna believe me about gittin’ prescriptions for “coughing” or “nose-blowing” then please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com ? And search for “lung flute” and “ear popper”.

  20. I don’t mean to be flip but when was the last time you got to vote on any law. Just because you voted to elect someone to office doesn’t mean they give a damn about what you want. The majority of Americans are for term limits, against civil asset forfeiture, against more gun control, against partial birth and late term abortions, against Obamcare and yet we still have all of it because neither Republicans or Democrats give a damn what we want. We don’t have a democracy or even a republic in this country any longer. We have a plutocracy and the wealthy pick who you get to vote for and the people are just to plain stupid to realize it.

  21. Let’s be honest…Theres a group of older Warriors esp Drug Warriors and now Sex Warriors as well who love draconian laws. They are older and make up a big part of the population. Have you ever tried to debate or reason with one. “It’s the law ummkay!/ we need to lock em up!/they deserved do die because they are druggies!/one less pot head on earth is good/there aren’t enough prisons! And on. Unfortunately, these people may need to die before we can move towards are more rational society.

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