Brexit

Brexit a Victory for Xenophobia? Not So Fast.

It was perfectly possible for voters in the UK to vote to leave the EU to engage with the world without being pushed around by meddlesome bureaucrats.

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"The media does have a bias in favor of facts," Fareed Zakaria snarked on CNN in response to charges that the "elite media" tilted in favor of the Remain camp in covering the U.K.'s recent Brexit vote. Well, maybe—and maybe that bit of arrogance aptly summarizes just why he and his ilk are resented by so much of the public, including the British majority that rejected continuing European Union membership.

Zakaria's larger point was that the Leave camp made emotional arguments appealing to xenophobia, raising the specter of a nation swamped by foreign refugees. By contrast, he insisted, "the people who wanted Britain to remain were producing studies and economic analyses and experts." That is a stark contrast to draw—but one that's convincing only if you ignore emotional appeals made by Zakaria's own preferred side.

"Are you scared of Brexit?" asked The Telegraph a few days before the vote. "If not, Remainers want you to be, as they've been spending the last few months making all sorts of predictions about the doom and gloom that a vote to Leave will cause." Remain's scare campaign so overtly attempted to frighten voters that its efforts gained the nickname "Project Fear."

In fact, both sides can be accused of appealing to base emotions leading up to the vote on June 23. But both sides also offered perfectly rational, balanced arguments. Specifically, it was perfectly possible for voters in the U.K. to vote to leave the E.U. not because they wanted to slam the door on the world, but because they wanted to engage with it while managing their own affairs, without being pushed around by unelected, meddlesome bureaucrats who actually put hurdles in the way of international commerce.

In 2013, the European Union stirred a hornet's nest with a proposal to require restaurants to serve olive oil only in commercially purchased bottles, not in refillable cruets or bowls. The ban, almost certainly intended to benefit large producers at the expense of local producers unable to package oil in single-use containers, was promptly pulled amidst a righteous outcry.

"What I find really interesting about this story is not the general derision with which the first proposal was greeted: rather, the nakedness of the ambition behind it," wrote Tim Worstall, a fellow at London's Adam Smith Institute. "Big business using 'consumer protection' legislation to kill off the small producer. Sadly, that's an all too common part of the way that the E.U. is governed. Regulation which privileges large companies over the small ones that cannot afford to obey the legislation."

Similar concerns arose around E.U. regulations targeting traditional herbal remedies. Beginning in 2011, they had to meet rigorous requirements regarding manufacturing and dosage. "Some manufacturers and herbal practitioners have expressed concern, arguing the new rules are too onerous for many small producers," noted the BBC.

Intrusive regulations aren't always obviously tilted toward connected businesses—sometimes they seem designed to stroke the green lobby. That was the case with the E.U.'s ban on powerful vacuum cleaners as an energy-saving measure. The regulation, still in place, set off a panic-fueled buying spree.

Those are facts that Zakaria and friends generally overlooked—but they weren't forgotten by the opposition. Leave advocate Boris Johnson, a leading candidate to be the U.K.'s next prime minister, frequently invoked E.U. overregulation as reason to end membership.

"I want us to be able to trade freely with that zone," Johnson told an interviewer. "But I don't want us to be subject to more and more top down legislation and regulation."

Journalist and author Matt Ridley, who favors globalization and says he "would have voted 'Yes' to the European Community" had he been old enough to participate in Britain's 1975 referendum on the issue, believes that leaving the E.U. is the key to expanding engagement with the world. The problem, he wrote, is that "the E.U. has created an ancien régime ruled by unelected commissioners with the sole power to initiate legislation, with a court able to overrule the elected parliaments of member states."

The E.U. has abandoned free trade in favor of political centralization, Ridley says, pointing out that it "still has no trade deals with America, China, Japan, Brazil, India, Canada, Australia and Indonesia."

He went on to describe the evolving superstate as "a regime whose corridors of power are swarming with lobbyists for big business, banks and pressure groups, all intent on getting bureaucrats to stifle innovation to protect their monopolies — and to harmonise the hell out of regional diversity."

"They love regulation because they can afford the compliance costs more easily than their smaller rivals," Daniel Hannan, a Conservative member of the European Parliament, said of large businesses that favored staying within the European Union. "They have captured the Brussels machine and used it to raise barriers to entry."

Hannan echoed Ridley's point about the E.U. faltering on promoting free trade, specifically naming the lack of progress in lowering barriers with the U.K.'s natural partners, India and Australia. He also called the European Union "antidemocratic" given the appointed nature of its leadership—many of them selected from the ranks of politicians who had lost elections in their own countries.

"The E.U. isn't a wellspring of European-wide solidarity and cooperation," charged Spiked Online's Tom Slater. "It's a hiding place for our elites, an alliance of technocrats huddled together in fear of the masses. Real internationalism means believing in all peoples' capacity for self-determination, for the freedom to carve out their lives as they see fit. A vote to Leave is a vote of confidence in all European publics, not just our own."

These arguments, in their lack of xenophobia and their embrace of the world outside the mechanism of the European Union, also are facts—though not the kind preferred by pundits who pat themselves on the back for their supposedly dispassionate championing of the Remain cause.

Which is not to say that an embrace of openness, democracy, and economic dynamism drove most Leave voters to cast their ballots. There was a lot of ugliness in the campaign, and plenty of overt appeals to nativism and fear of change. Given the nature of private decision-making, there's no way to know which arguments proved most decisive.

But if fear drove some Leave voters, it certainly motivated many Remain voters. They feared not outsiders, but those within.

"Never mind a Brexit recession, Leave voters don't believe in climate change," Assaad Razzouk mocked in New Statesman.

"It is not the European Union, but the fast-growing legions of everymans—you and me—and the people we drink pints beside, who are posing a very real threat to freedom," huffed Anyusha Rose in the Washington Post.

"In many ways, members of the global professional class have started to identify more with each other than they have with the fellow residents of their own countries," writes Bloomberg's Megan McArdle, in describing the horrified reaction to the Brexit vote among so many journalists. "The dominant tone framed this as a blow against the enlightened 'us' and the beautiful world we are building, struck by a plague of morlocks who had crawled out of their hellish subterranean world to attack our impending utopia."

Zakaria and his buddies weren't necessarily so logical and fact-driven as they like to pretend. They had their facts and figures—and bogeymen, too.

Whether or not Brexit turns out to be a victory for xenophobia, or a blow for democracy and dynamism, has less to do with the vote itself than with how the U.K. manages the aftermath. Britain could withdraw within its borders—or exploit a new opportunity to engage the world on its own terms.

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  2. There was a lot of ugliness in the campaign, and plenty of overt appeals to nativism

    Oooh, how ugly it is to expect your government to represent the interests of the citizens it governs over the interests of foreigners.

    Funny, I always thought that was the premise of representative government. Government of, by, and for the people governed.

    Apparently that’s just “ugly” these days. Much better to have the ruling class spend the lives of their subject human cattle on “beautiful”, high minded globalist projects.

    1. Is -17% Stock market loss, and lowest Pound in 31 years in “the people’s best interests”?

      Is losing companies to flight to the Continent in the people’s best interests?

      Are cancelled construction projects in the people’s best interests?

      Is Scotland seceding in the best interests of the UK peoples?

      What about renewed terrorism on a new border between Northern Ireland and Ireland? Is that in the people’s best interests?

      You’re an ldiot, and there’s no shame in calling you one.

      1. How dare he advocate leaving a system filled with bureaucrats in a foreign country mandating the fiber count in your pillowcase? Don’t rock the boat. Just take it up the ass because Evangelical can’t take the restructuring necessary to reestablish local control. Fuck off. Do your goddamn “projects” on a voluntary basis and see how many idiots you get to join you.

        1. What he said.

          1. “Fuck off, slaver” also comes to mind.

            1. Seconded.

              *pours out coffee libation for JsubD*

              1. *follows suit by pouring out Colt 45 next to Swissy.

      2. Are you lost?

      3. Someone’s a bitter clinger.

      4. “”17% Stock market loss, and lowest Pound in 31 years””

        So the market was wrong and is correcting itself, that is what markets do.

        1. BUT KORPARAYSHUNS ARE EVIL AND PROFITS ARE BAD. WE SHOULD LET BRUSSELS DECIDE WHAT’S BEST FOR THE MARKET.

        2. Exactly. It’s called a correction for a reason and the answer is yes, a more fundamentally sound currency is in the best interest of the people. And I just love how everybody’s a fucking professional day trader all of a sudden. Adorable.

      5. Is -17% Stock market loss, and lowest Pound in 31 years in “the people’s best interests”?

        Yes. Its a buying opportunity. Even if fully invested its a great opportunity for dollar cost averaging. Temporary down market only hurts those selling now.

      6. Is Scotland seceding in the best interests of the UK peoples?

        Absolutely. It would relieve the UK of a huge welfare burden, leave the rest of the country with a very fiscally conservative government. The EU could nanny the Scottish layabouts while the English get rich.

      7. According to Yahoo, as of 8:25am EDT:

        FTSE – London – down 1.7%
        DAX – Germany – down 4.5%
        CAC – France – down 6.6%
        MIB – Italy – down 9.5%

        Of the bunch, London was down the least. And nowhere near 17%.

        1. I should not that the the % down is relative to five days ago, just before the Brexit results.

        2. It was exactly 17% — if you’re bad with math and decimals and carefully reading.

        3. If you quote it in dollar terms, so you multiply the pound depreciation and the stock market loss, it might have hit -17% at the bottom of the valley. But it’s come back substantially since Friday.

      8. Is -17% Stock market loss, and lowest Pound in 31 years in “the people’s best interests”?

        The declining pound is the official government policy.

        According to you, malinvestment is always in the people’s best interests. Which essentially means you’re an idiot and there is no shame in calling you one.

      9. You’re totally right Evangelical. American colonists suffered in the short term too thanks to a bunch of rebel rousers. Long term the American revolution reaped no benefits of liberty and prosperity to it’s citizenry, did not lift the hopes and aspirations of all humanity or minimize suffering and servitude.
        Those silly old fart revolutionaries just couldn’t see the benefits of being ruled over and subjected to the whims of lords, monarchs, kleptocrats, technocrats, and bureaucrats on the other side of a large body of water. If they were weak-kneed like us the world would be a better place.

      10. “You’re an ldiot, and there’s no shame in calling you one.”

        Stock market down hurting the elite that colluded with the central bank to artificially inflate it? Too bad. (And the LSE is up almost 6% today.)

        You can find all these articles with google…

        “Leak: 81 Per Cent of Migrants To Germany Are Unskilled, Government Predicts 400,000 New Welfare Claimants”

        “Sweden: Ten times higher welfare dependency among 16.5% foreign born ? an increase of 82%”

        “Sweden’s welfare disaster: A 15.1% immigrant population burden 60.5% of the entire nations welfare costs”

        How much a price to pay to keep these freeloaders out? How much a price to pay to keep the jihadists out?

      11. Speaking as an immigrant from Scotland, fuck Scotland. They’re a burden on the UK anyway. They can be a burden on Europe instead and they’ll still be Scotland.

        Blaming the Brits for the Eurofags’ tantrums over the vote is a case of the pot calling the Queen’s china black.

        That idiot you’re talking to is your face in the mirror.

      12. Unelected fascist bureaucrats controlling every aspect of society and forcing your country to accept millions terrorist aka Muslims is worth fighting a revolution over. Minor and temporary dislocations are well worth freedom from fascism and safety from Muslims.

      13. Is -17% Stock market loss, and lowest Pound in 31 years in “the people’s best interests”?

        As opposed to the dive the Euro took in 2014? Or the pathetic performance of European stock markets?

        Is Scotland seceding in the best interests of the UK peoples?

        Why not?

        Are cancelled construction projects in the people’s best interests?

        Quite possibly.

        Is losing companies to flight to the Continent in the people’s best interests?

        That remains to be seen. If the UK creates a more favorable business environment than continental Europe, the flight may well go in the other direction.

      14. The NWO is out to punish UK for not being a good little house n…r.
        They want their country back.
        What part of that concept are you incapable of understanding?

  3. Brexit is a tremendous blow to the UK. How do you people not see the ramifications?

    Scotland seceding!

    Northern Ireland denouncing the Good Friday Agreements?

    The UK can’t even enforce a border with the EU because Northern Ireland won’t allow it!

    But all you buffoons cheer on is some notion that somehow this will make the UK stronger?

    1. Fuck off Evangelical, go preach your bullshit somewhere else you spineless wuss. The devolution of power is almost always a good thing. Britain will do fine without the European autocrats, your pathetic histrionics notwithstanding.

    2. Good luck to Scotland if they secede. Their economy is in the shitter, and the EU may not be able to rustle up enough members to vote for the Scots to join. Germany already has enough countries surrounding it that regularly vote their way into its pockets. And if they still manage to get into the EU Britain will likely insist the EU take at least some of Scotland’s debt off their hands.

      1. Also places like Spain will vote against it since they worry about the breakup of their own country

    3. I hope the UK breaks up too.

    4. Re: Evangelical,

      Brexit is a tremendous blow to the UK. How do you people not see the ramifications?

      It is not as bad as you want to believe.

      Scotland seceding!

      Yes. Shocking. I’m shaking in me wee boots.

      The UK can’t even enforce a border with the EU because Northern Ireland won’t allow it!

      So much power wileded by Northern Ireland.

      Methinks your exaggerations foretell mental sanity issues in your future than what will happen to the UK.

    5. Scotland seceding!

      That alone would make it worth it.

    6. E-
      W00t! Wait, are you claiming those are bad things?

    7. Brexit is a tremendous blow to the UK super statists.

      All fixed. Resume histrionics.

    8. So true. Fear of change or ANY discomfort> self determination. If all men had your lack of stones and fortitude we’d still be shouting”Hail Caesar!” Independence truly is overrated.

  4. Scotland seceding!

    Oh no, the map is going to look somewhat different than it used to.

    1. Not Scotland! What will the Haggis-Eaters of the UK do?

      1. Not have enough votes to elect a single MP?

        1. What about Scotch ?!?! Will it still flow ?!?!

    2. But the grand continental projects…!

    3. Scotland can annoint the rightful stuart King to the thrown.

      1. Better than that weird German family that’s sat the throne since 1714.

      2. monarchal election by caber toss?

        1. Even better than old men waving sticks at one another.

        2. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords Caber tossing is no basis for a system of government. ….

          1. It is when you’re only trying to rule the highlands.

            1. I would propose a whisky drinking contest!

    4. The Progs are so against self-determination that they don’t even want a group of people who want to stay with the EU to break off from another group of people who want to leave the EU despite wanting the larger group of people to stay a part of the EU.

      Move along, there is no sense to see here.

    5. If Scotland wanted to secede, why would that be bad? If that’s what the people of Scotland want, they should go for it.

  5. Serious question.

    What enforcement mechanism does the EU bureaucracy have? What’s to stop a country for completely ignoring some or many of its edicts? In the US the federal bureaucracies have been given (or arrogate) police powers to enforce their rules backed up by the federal court system, and ultimately the full potential violence of the federal government.

    1. The EU isn’t there yet. The point of no return is still in the planning phase.

    2. Currently enforcement is by financial influence and the law of the member states.

      There is nothing it could do to stop the UK from going “We’re not going to send you any more money and none of your edicts carry legal force in our country anymore”.

      Not until it finalizes the EU Army.

      1. A member wouldn’t even have to do that. They could just use prosecutorial discretion to ignore their edicts.

    3. What enforcement mechanism does the EU bureaucracy have?

      The intelligentsia and elite from the country that violated the EU edicts wouldn’t get invited to any good parties anymore, and their kickbacks, sinecures, and boondoggles would be at risk too. That’s pretty powerful stuff.

  6. You know who else had a xenophobic victory…

      1. The most tragic modern heroine. She deserved better than Alien 3.

      2. Ripley’s was more of a pyrrhic victory against aliens who were against abortion even in the case of rape: “Why blame the face-hugger?” That is the chant of the less attractive members of these “pro-life” movements.

        1. Wow, that’s a nasty strawman attack. It occurs to me if you made better arguments you wouldn’t have to go with nasty.

    1. Gondor?

  7. I get the impression that the Brits got out of that mess just in time. The Eastern Europeans may be right behind them – they already know what it’s like to be in a “union” against their will.

    German Chancellor says it is necessary to prevent others copying Britain

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..rexit.html

    1. You know what other German Chancellor wanted to control Europe?

      1. All of them?

      2. Philipp von Heinsberg?

      3. Charlemagne?

    2. The Eastern Europeans may be right behind them

      I don’t think they have to worry about EU tanks showing up, though.

  8. Funny that the example of regulatory capture should turn to herbal remedies, an industry that is replete with snake oil quakery and outright fraud. (they mostly lack any credible evidence of efficacy for any of the claimed uses, and they often do not include the ingredients claimed) Yet the complaint is that complying with “make sure the amount of the plant you claim is correct” is too onerous for small producers.

    When that is the result of “regulation”, our lesson should be that government regulations are just tools in the best possible scenario – to be used at the whims of human beings – for good or for ill.

    It seems that the normal answer is that we simply need more regulations. It is interesting that the answer to bad government is always more government.

    I wonder what the world would be like if, rather than government agencies, we had private certification laboratories that provided testing and standards to various industries…. then we could let consumers and insurance providers decide who was credible. I’m sure there would be lots of attempts to create fake certification companies, but eventually it would be impossible to get liability insurance without a reliable certification.

    1. “but eventually it would be impossible to get liability insurance without a reliable certification.”

      As long as we don’t call it regulation.

      1. It isn’t regulation. It would be running a business and not wanting to be bankrupted by liability lawsuits.

        Libertarian doesn’t equate to “any asshole can cheat you at any time because we are all free.” Think Underwriter’s Laboratory and Consumer’s Union. Or the credit rating agencies like S&P. They don’t always work, but it would be interesting to see what the world would look like if we had a UL rating for drugs instead of the FDA. How much more quickly would that new cancer drug be available? Would we have better information? Right now we get a new acid blocker and our doctors start prescribing it, but nobody knows how it compares to the previous generation. We might get such information from private rating agencies.

        1. Forget it Cyto, its mtruemantown.

        2. “We might get such information from private rating agencies.”

          You’ll get what you pay for.

          1. You’ll get what you pay for.

            Which would be a VAST improvement on what we’ve got now, where we get less than nothing for huge sums.

            1. “where we get less than nothing for huge sums.”

              Think huger. Drug company huger. Don’t hear any complaints from them. They want even more regulation.

              1. Well how else do you expect them to retain control over the market? By appealing to the men with guns (the government, that is) to enforce their oligopoly.

                You seem like the kind of person who would say ‘see, X company wants higher minimum wages, so it must be a good policy.’ Here’s a lesson in logic though. When company A sells a good whose demand is inelastic, it is actually in company A’s interest to support regulations that hurt the industry as a whole in so far as other companies in that industry get hurt worse (in the case of minimum wage, if the other companies are more dependent on min. wage labor and thus have to raise prices more). It’s a way to us the state to gain a competitive advantage over rival companies, and as a side effect screwing over consumers.

                1. You seem like the kind of person who would say ‘see, X company wants higher minimum wages, so it must be a good policy.’ Here’s a lesson in logic…

                  You can save your lesson in logic. Appearances aside, I’m not the kind of person who says that about minimum wages or anything else.

                  The larger point is that lawyers have to make a living too. Dismantle the FDA and let a 100 rivals bloom, there’ll be no shortage of regulations. EULA agreements don’t write themselves.

  9. Just weeks before the Brexit vote, the European Union stirred a hornet’s nest with a proposal to require restaurants to serve olive oil only in commercially purchased bottles, not in refillable cruets or bowls.

    The linked article says the olive oil incident took place in 2013. Nevertheless I am sure there are thousands of anecdotes just like it since then.

    1. Who wouldn’t want unaccountable central bureaucrats writing regulations for every aspect of your life?

    2. A quick google search of “bad EU regulations” got this:

      http://www.express.co.uk/comme…..ve-nothing

      1. A quick google search of “bad EU regulations” got this:

        A quick search of “good EU regulations” would have been a significantly shorter list.

        I don’t pretend to know enough about the Brexit to have an informed opinion but the fact that the people I loathe are against it that is a pretty handy shortcut.

  10. “It is not the European Union, but the fast-growing legions of everymans?you and me?and the people we drink pints beside, who are posing a very real threat to freedom,” huffed Anyusha Rose in the Washington Post.

    This right here, ladies and gentlemen – this right here is exactly how these morally bankrupt, power-hungry, busybody meddling creeps actually think.

    1. The sad (for certain values of “sad”) thing is that many of those who spout the above quoted beliefs think that should they get their way, they would be on or near the top of the heap, blissfully ignorant of the odds being that they’ll wind up at the other end of the spectrum are MUCH higher. In worst-case scenarios, they find out what it was like being a Brownshirt during the Night of the Long Knives, or wind up sharing Trotsky’s ultimate fate.

  11. Brexit a Victory for Xenophobia?

    No, but so what if it is? If I am not free to be xenophobic, then I am not free.

    Would Bremain be a victory for slavery and capitulation (pardon my French)?

    1. Would Bremain be a victory for slavery and capitulation (pardon my French)?

      This is my ‘long view’ take on the issue atm. Large parts of the continent of Europe have loved to murder and/or enslave other large parts of the continent and surrounding geography for quite a large portion of Europes history. The EU, at best, bought a couple decades of respite but, as far as it’s concerned today, has become a Cold War-style death pact juxtaposed to open conflict.

      That is to say, I don’t think WWIII is going to happen, but I think it’s pretty clear that the people invoking the specter of WWIII aren’t doing so as a thinly-veiled threat.

      1. My kingdom for an edit button!

        They *are* doing so as a thinly-veiled threat. They’re some mixture of wanting to scare the UK (and French, Italian, Spaniard, etc.) everyman into supporting them, want to forcefully enslave him, and/or outright annihilate him.

        1. They have a strange way of going about getting the “everyman” to support them – their threats are basically what swung the vote toward Brexit.

          Do any (remaining) EU countries even have an effective military? Or is NATO supposed to help with the enslavement?

          Everybody realizes these economic unions are only great during the bubble – once the bubble pops nobody really wants anything to do with it. Although the EU bureaucrats and political elites surely enjoy the power grab opportunities the crises present.

          The French are the typical hypocrites – they say they are all for open borders but all their internal economic policies protect the natives and fuck over the immigrants. Then they wonder why they have so many pissed off muslims in their midst. The French xenophobic actions speak much louder than their open-borders words.

          1. “The French are the typical hypocrites”

            They are one of the few European nations not to have foreign troops based on their soil. The UK, in the EU or out, will continue to house a foreign military.

            1. Um, how is that relevant? I believe the topic of discussion was the French antipathy for immigrants (not to mention their disgraceful use of the EU to impose pro-French protectionist polices not just on the French people but on poorer countries as well) juxtaposed to their feigned indignation at supposed British xenophobia.

              1. “I believe the topic of discussion was the French antipathy for immigrants”

                yawn. Sorry Mark, comparing French and British bigotry is not something I can get worked up about.

      2. An oppressive Europe under German leadership may be bad for Europeans, but it’s not clear that it’s so bad for the US as long as it keeps the peace.

  12. “Zakaria’s larger point was that the Leave camp made emotional arguments appealing to xenophobia, raising the specter of a nation swamped by foreign refugees.”

    Just because Zakaria was wrong about why people were xenophobic, doesn’t mean he was wrong that people voted for Brexit because they’re xenophobic.

    I see a related argument sometimes, too, that says the Brexit vote wasn’t xenophobic because leaving the EU doesn’t really change the UK’s asylum laws–as if the voters couldn’t possibly have voted the way they did for irrational reasons.

    Are we all progressives now?

    I see the Brexit vote as a triumph for democracy over an elitist bureaucratic superstate. And just because other people voted for what I wanted–for completely different reasons–is no reason to pretend that they voted the way they did for other reasons.

    Only progressives should think that if the Klan votes for Gary Johnson and I support Gary Johnson that somehow means I support the Klan. Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people voted to Leave because they don’t trust the EU to stop the tide of immigrants and asylum seekers from coming to the UK. Why is that so hard for Leave people to say out loud?

    Have we all become progressives now?

    1. Don’t you like cocktails-and-welfare parties?

      1. I just go for the girls in tight dresses.

    2. Your “xenophobia” is my “governments should act in the interests of their citizens”.

        1. Tough. Its not the government’s job to act in the interests of non-citizens. If that feels like xenophobia to others, I can live with that.

  13. Why would anyone want to be in a union that would have Greece as a member?

  14. What will we call it when Germany leaves? Jerks-it?

    Anyway, I can’t wait to hear the holier-than-thou attitudes of the welfare recipients when Germany gets the fuck out of that abortion of an economic union.

    1. Germany can’t leave; its fiction of economic success is supported by a shell game involving EU loans, EU regulations, and EU fiscal policy. While the German economy nominally looks pretty strong, Germans themselves aren’t all that well off. For example, German personal wealth is substantially below that of many other European nations.

  15. ALL of the EU Staats except England, Ireland and Cyprus were collaborationist and/or nationalsocialist until May 1945. During that time eugenocide to extirpate selfishness (a survival trait innate to all DNA) was resorted to by Christian Germany against largely semitic victims. Mohammedanism, with its suicide-vest altruism, is on a genocidal campaign of its own and guilt-ridden Europe has no intellectual defense. The libertarian non-aggression pact was written during the Nuremberg trials, and Americans are only now beginning to awaken to reality. Europeans are getting exactly what they deserve.

    1. “except England, Ireland and Cyprus were collaborationist”

      The Channel Islands were also collaborationist and there was no meaningful effort to resist Nazi occupation.

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  18. Immigration wasn’t the only issue, but it was a big one.

  19. Unfortunately, douchebags like Farage and co. will claim this as a victory.

  20. What a pair It takes to claim that those who don’t want the core identity of their country–its political persuasion, its elected officials, its crime rates, and its moral and political identity–to change are xenophobic.

    We’ve seen California go from Reagan-red to crackpot blue in a generation of unchecked immigration, Obama & Clinton have tried to impose even *more* in an effort to swing the vote permanently in Democrats’ favor and away from the last shreds of constitutional liberalism, and the UK now has a Muslim mayor who wasted zero time before moving to censor “offensive” images on public buses.

    The left is going to have to get used to the idea that we have seen the face of diversity, and it looks an awful lot like an invasion of frequently hostile foreigners who neither share nor adopt traditional American values or way of life, but do enjoy bloc voting for the party that’s always putting down white privilege and, increasingly, white people. If that concern is what they mean by xenophobia, then sign me up for xeno summer camp.

  21. Yes, class warfare. That’s what libertarians believe in (sarc).

    Having said that, Brexit or not is up to the British and not me.

  22. The Progressives / NWO are losing the battle for hearts and minds.
    Ad-Hominid attack is fair game for the Left, tales of eggs and omelettes…
    Yeah, we’re bad, bad, bad because we want control of our own country. NOT.
    There are countries where the government runs every aspect of your life, but the Left won’t live there! LOL.

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  25. I voted for leave, I’d prefer that my country rules itself. Voting felt different, I knew it was significant and could change things. In 1975 I voted for in, I’m glad i had a chance to fix that mistake.
    I was born a Briton, I hope to die a Briton.

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