FBI Trying to Sneak In Ability to Access Emails Without Court Order
An attempt to secretly expand what can be gathered with National Security Letters


Right now Congress is attempting to hammer out rules that would eliminate an old loophole that permits the government and law enforcement to get access to Americans' old emails with a simple court subpoena instead of a warrant.
But at the same time, the FBI is trying to write up special new rules that would let them use a National Security Letter (NSL) to get access to email records without any sort of court order.
NSLs are secret orders that allow the government under the PATRIOT Act to not just demand data from Internet and telecom companies about specific users but also to legally gag these companies from communicating any information about their existence. Currently, NSLs can get all sorts of information and metadata (like phone records) that way, but not emails. The 2017 Intelligence Authorization Act would change the rules. Senate Intelligence Committee leaders Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), originators of proposed encryption legislation that would utterly destroy everybody's cybersecurity, put out a statement in support of the legislation, which passed a committee vote.
There was one dissenter, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) who has been the primary voice in that committee against unwarranted surveillance. CNet takes note of his response and warning:
But Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), the lone dissenting voice on the 15-member Senate committee, vowed to work on reversing the "dangerous provisions."
"This bill takes a hatchet to important protections for Americans' liberty," he said in a statement. "This bill would mean more government surveillance of Americans, less due process and less independent oversight of US intelligence agencies. Worse, neither the intelligence agencies, nor the bill's sponsors have shown any evidence that these changes would do anything to make Americans more secure."
Jenna McLaughlin at The Intercept has more about the FBI's lengthy efforts to try to use NSLs to secretly access email communications here.
Note that the FBI is now taking some hits by judges over its insistence on secrecy. Yesterday a federal judge tossed out evidence the FBI had collected in a child pornography case because they refused to reveal to the defense the tools that they had used to exploit Tor to track pedophiles, even if that information was kept sealed and not released to the public. That refusal denies the ability of the defense to analyze and potentially counter or even challenge the factuality of the evidence the FBI had gathered. So a judge ruled the evidence could not be used. That decision could potentially impact many other pending FBI cases.
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The old National Security Letter Clause in the 4th Amendment. The Founders really screwed up putting that in there.
That's a nice tie you're wearing FoE. And I embarrassed to see how dirty your desk is!
See, this is why I'm always naked when I'm at my desk.
You fool! You should always be naked at somebody else's desk when you're here. Have Red Sovine playing in the background, too.
That's freaky! (Although, the tie today wasn't that nice.)
refused to reveal to the defense the tools that they had used to exploit Tor to track pedophiles
Probably end-to-end correlation, with a heaping helpful of the NSAs command and control of major internet switching center operations.
Exactly. They can't reveal how they did it because that would expose the illegal involvement of the NSA.
Parallel reconstruction only works if you can actually collect sufficient evidence legally after you broke the law.
No -- choosing between quickly and cheaply developing a Firefox exploit (or more likely, contracting it out) and conducting sensitive, complex cross-agency operations, the former is what "probably" happened.
They're going to keep doing it, and no one is going to hold anyone accountable.
It's just going to take a while for people to get used to it and stop complaining about it.
Ding Ding Ding. That's how this game is played Ken.
The defendant in this case only had to succeed once. The FBI can fail indefinitely until they finally get a judge or court that will not demand the FBI reveal its methods.
Gee what a shock.
Worse, neither the intelligence agencies, nor the bill's sponsors have shown any evidence that these changes would do anything to make Americans more secure.
And they're trying to fix that. Not the "making Americans more secure" part, of course, just the part where they have to show any evidence of making Americans more secure.
Oh noes! Killer cannabis eating Welsh sheep on the loose!
If I eat them, do I get high??
It's an excellent idea. If they don't eat you first. They're on the marijuana you know, very dangerous. They could get the munchies and mistake you for sheep food, whatever that is.
"sheep food, whatever that is"
On some farms, roofies.
...is the kind of awful joke you should never tell.
Why would you roofie a sheep? They're not going to tell on you.
He has his own way of doing things.
It's not fun unless they're asleep.
Killer cannabis eats Welsh sheep? How does it move around?
And what's wrong with eating sheep anyway? It's not like fucking sheep.
Didn't Bill Murray try to warn us about this in Ghostbusters?
Cats this early?
Oh, OK, here's something non-cat-related.
If I had a bird like that, I'd teach him to quote Bastiat and say things like 'Fuck you, cut spending!'.
I need to get a parrot.
"Your mom is a market failure!"
Come on, Eddie, at least stay on topic.
Not sure what it is, but one cat I had, his favorite thing to do was walk on my keyboard. Probably trying to code some type of cat virus that causes your computer to automatically post cat videos on Youtube. But I was onto his evil plan and would put my keyboard in a drawer when I wasn't sitting at my desk.
Toxoplasma gondii. It was a major plot point in the novel Snow Crash.
Yeah, there's a guy in real who believes he has this.
Well, that's because cats are evil. Why would you feed and house an agent of Satan?
They're cute and fuzzy?
Just buttering you up.
Damnit, how am i gonna keep you all straight* if you keep changing your names?
* by this i mean no slight to any consonant
The vowels, however, can suck it.
Dweebston needs to knock this shit off. Don't cross me.
Lisa needs braces.
Maybe. I can't pet them, it makes me sneeze.
(I can only pet shaved kitties? Or is that why there are no female libertarians?)
(I can only pet shaved kitties?
Kitty abuser!
Well, that's not what she said...
Did you affirmative consent to pet the kitty? With cats, there is no implied consent.
Sphynx, baby, sphynx.
Cats freak out my wife. She grew up never having a cat, never being around them, ever. She thinks they're weird. I'm still going to get another soon enough. I want a Maine Coon or a Savannah. I sort of like cats who act more like dogs. I had a large orange tabby, about 12-14 lbs and not fat, just a big cat, who would follow me everywhere and ride in the seat of my truck, and loved getting baths.
My current GF has two Maine Coons. Damn, those cats are big. Like small puma.
And they kill things.
Eh.
What the fuck, Quincy?
I'm dyslexic and have an incredibly short attention span. Don't push me over the edge.
That's a plus too. I had one who killed a squirrel. I hate squirrels. He got his face scratched up, but he was fearless. It was like watching one of those nature shows when a cheetah kills something. The squirrel was taunting him, last mistake. And of course, he always left dead field mice and birds on my deck right in front of the door.
You mammals never cease in finding news ways to dissapointed me!
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE TRIED TO SNEAK IT IN?????....
Han Solo?
Yeah, and look how that turned out for him.
Spoilers much??!
How does one "spoil" that which is a remake in all but name?
Spoilers much??!
In my defense, I had thought everyone on H&R had already seen it. If not, then I truly and sincerely repent.
So stop *railing* against me. Oops.
Nah, I heard the spoilers, including the movie being wholly derivative, long ago. Besides, spoilers have a shelf life of two weeks, if you haven't seen the movie by then you're SOL.
Here is another spoiler: Mary Sue saves the day.
If that's a reference to Rey, it's one of the reasons I'm putting off watching it. It drives me nuts that strong female protagonists apparently mean women who not only kick ass but neither earn nor suffer for their badassery. This sort of thing should infuriate feminists and tick off fans, but instead it's considered super progressive to have a female lead despite being two-dimensional and lacking any dramatic tension.
Maybe I'll change my mind when I see it. I'm basing my opinion on a long rant Ace gave along these lines on a long-ago episode of AoSHQ. But if we're supposed to be watching the character arc it took Luke three movies to fulfill in a single sitting, well, color me unenthused.
Just the tip?
Me, last Saturday night?
All I heard was "Judge Helps Child Pornographers".
You hear what you wanna hear.
The Intercept does some good work in the midst of its socialist rantings. Socialism simply cannot exist with free speech and basic rights. Funny they don't get that. Some people have to learn the hard way I guess.
Judging by what I read in the comments of certain places like Raw Story and DU and the like, even if it's the hard way they likely won't get it.
Cat video!
OK, this better not be a dead cat, a cat eating someone's brains, a cat getting lowered into a vat of acid, or anything like that...
A socialist cat! You monster, this is the worst video you've ever posted.
Cats are never socialists. All cats are libertarians. That's why I like them. Plus they're cute and fuzzy. And they don't drink out of the toilet.
Mine does.
That's not a cat, that's a dog baby!
Almost every cat I've owned loved it if you turn the sink faucet on low stream so they can drink. My last cat got to where he didn't want to drink out of a bowl, he'd get up on the sink and meow for me to turn on the water.
They're not libertarians, they're terrorists, and you mustn't ever give in to their demands.
Well, according to Democrats and Republicans, everyone posting here are terrorists. So I stand with the cats!
I've had cats that drink out of the toilet too. It happens. They are a little pickier about the freshness of the water than dogs, though.
Yeah, I guess they might do it if they are really thirsty. Dogs seem to prefer it.
A cat disses Thatcher, that is all.
I never posted that one.
I didn't post one? I took the video last Sunday night.
The cat is both dead and alive at the same time until someone observes the cat video on Youtube.
Nice
I got more dead cat videos, in case you're interested.
I almost opened that out of macabre curiosity, but I'm cycling at the gym and I don't want to upset the exquisite ladies treadmilling behind me.
I'm transgendering my handle. If I'm going to be the crazy cat lady of Reason, I should live the experience.
Took me a moment to place that. Well done.
Ok, it. We're happy to call you it. How you like it, mama?
Call me what you want. I have volume 17 of the encyclopedia to memorize.
Damn it. You can identify as whatever the hell you want, but if you ask start changing you handles, imma be even more confused than usual.
Soviet Wheel of Fortune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZTfmhij_g
More like Scrabble. Anyway.
Freed from capitalism, utopia!
Stairways to Heaven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFDsUgjqIo
A different route to a different destination.
Eh.
Is that a Rebel flag, bigot?
Gator Country
That song and the album cover are so well matched.
That was sarcasm.
No it wasn't. You're a bigot! Apologize sheep!
Am *I* the sheep or do I apologize *to* the sheep?
If the latter, there's no way I'm having makeup sex.
Apologize to the sheep and await your fate, sinner!
So...you're more of a mean drunk.
Oh wait, I see. So you're saying that mega horse riding Viking mecha-warriors did not ride into the Florida and proclaim the Rebel galaxy? Bigot!
Probably the most burnt out song of all time.
Runner ups:
1. Proud Mary - CCR
2. Walk this Way - Aerosmith
Where does Hotel California rank?
Yes, it *is* rank.
As in "my offense is rank. It smells to Heaven."
But at least Claudius didn't write Hotel California.
I won't reveal what Claudius *actually* did, you'll have to watch the movie.
Best overplayed song? Or maybe Song with the longest halflife is better. Mine is Life's Been Good
Zeppelin is the most overrated trash of all time, except when they're not. But Stairway is definitely not their best tune by far. You can always count on the fact that the most popular of anything is not the best, due to the fact that most people are idiots.
Whole Lotta Love has the best solo of all time. I never understood the continuing, decades-long boner for stairway. Classic radio DJ's all need to get checked for priapism.
I'm usually game for Zeppelin.
For some reason, as massively overplayed as its been the past couple years, I love all the indie folk/bluegrass getting radio time. If Monsters and Men or Mumford & Sons comes on while I'm cycling I get my heart rate above 190 while I slam it out. And Trampled by Turtles? Fuhgeddaboudit.
Mumford & co. all sounds the same to me.
Say it again, motherfucker.
Mumford & co. all sounds the same to me.
THAT'S IT
*tears off shirt*
The singer sounds mildly like Kermit the frog. And the scratchy acoustic guitar thing has been done. A lot.
I really can't hold it against you. It's pop music with banjos. That said, I like it.
I don't hate it at all. They just seem to be stuck in the "this got us on the radio, let's not stop" trap.
Custard Pie, get you some!
Trampled Under Foot is one I put with Custard Pie.
Bonzo's buried, only three more left...
Walk this Way - Aerosmith
Holy fucking shit. Is there anything that these cat aliens cannot pervert?
With respect to HM.
The most overplayed song in the world
(Did I "go there"? Check and see)
Don't be a "stranger."
Yeah, whatever.
United States of Whatever
Libertarian anthem!
I thought this was the libertarian anthem.
Bullthit! This is the libertarian anthem. Don't ask why! I discovered it one night when very drunk, and so it just is!
Interesting, my people recently discovered oysters. Its been five thousand years. Quite a trip.
I generally think the libertarian anthem is whatever I'm listening to at the moment.
I am over classic rock. I have heard every single one of those songs at least twice a day for 47 years. Believe it or not, they have made new music since circa '83, and you know what? Some of it is actually pretty bad ass. So, cut your damn mullet, turn off the Zeppelin and Floyd and Eagles, and listen to something new.
My god, would you watch Sleepless in Seattle over and over, day after day, year after year, for decades?
Link away, bro. You really think everyone here is a Classic Rock guy with a mullet? I do think good music is getting more and more fewer and far in between, but I'm ready for anything good.
Click it.
This came out after 1983
So kinda like the 60's happened in the early 70s, the 70s happened in the 80s?
All the drugs the 70s took kicked in around 1990.
So did this
Why doesn't Bernie have this as his official theme song yet?
And I'll take the redhead off his hands. She looks like she could polish a monocle.
The redhead is Kate Pierson of the B-52s, and I don't know if you're her type.
I know who she is and don't care if she's my type as long as she gets off those britches, lol.
Keep it in your pants and watch this.
I've seen that like a thousand times, did I miss the part where she doesn't have a pussy?
This came out last year:
https://youtu.be/mhlS8nKjRRE
I learned the bass line for that so I could clear out any Guitar Center I walked into. "Can I see that Fender Precision? Thanks!"
Only on Groundhog Day.
Perhaps you should quit music.
(Impatiently awaiting KoK3)
I am not a fan boy of classic rock, but putting Sleepless in Seattle on the same plane as Pink Floyd is just wrong.
Like, judge-in-a-woodchipper wrong.
Holy shit, the teevee is on Fox again. What does everyone here think of Megan Kelly? Is she any less of a cunt than Couric? I'm starting to doubt it. Self righteous bitch, her and Bill O'Reilly would be the perfect couple.
Rule 34.
Let me see, Federal rules of civil procedure rule 34, requests to inspect, copy, test, or sample certain items in the responding party's possession, custody, or control...yeah, that could get real kinky real quick.
No need for Rule 34.
I don't understand why being fappable is a qualification for reading the news.
Reading the what?
News, idiot. Things happen when you don't live in a mineshaft. Me jealous? No.
You know, I'm not convinced national news should be a thing people are generally interested in hearing. Presidential elections shouldn't be a cause celebre (or whatever its opposite is, a cause goddamnit) for the general public. Democratic institutions are altogether too highly regarded by the public (obviously), but the public doesn't even get the source of their fondness for democracy right. People think democracy puts power in their hands, but they're wrong. Persons in the singular exercise an infinitesimal bit of political influence, but people in general exercise the will of their political betters. What people like about democracy is the feeling of civic involvement in exchange for investing a little bit of time and effort. They don't understand that democracy as exercised in a republic is about restraint, not about exercising power.
I agree. You're cute.
Today we had a special Memorial Day ceremony on base. About 300 DLI grads have been killed in battle since 1961. No grads have been killed so far this year. Several of the buildings here are named after Army linguists who got killed in battle.
During the ceremony, they unveiled a plaque with the names of all those killed in the past few years in "overseas contingency operations". I think they should have said "war" instead.
But it was a good ceremony and I am off work until Tuesday. Plenty of time for H & R and my Pig Latin flash cards.
Is pig latin the name you've given the language you can't disclose?
[taps nose knowingly]
The surrounding area is a feeding frenzy foreign intelligence agents. I heard the grads of a recent Russian class all got letters of congratulation from the FSB. Spooky.
Any jobs for someone who took three years of German back in high school? I could use a career path.
The big green machine is always hiring and many of them end up Germany at some point.
f
It's Esperanto. He's off to fuck over the Zamenhofian bastards. Godspeed, sir. Godspeed.
I think I had one of those once at Starbucks.
Fun fact: the military often uses Esperanto as the language of the OPFOR (opposing force) in training exercises.
I missed out on the chance to be OPFOR in basic training. What a shame. I really wanted to run around with a big toy RPG and yell "aloha snackbar!"
Esperanto was developed by an ophthalmologist. We might soon...ok, we're pretty much right now...fighting an ophthalmologist.
Coincidence?
Rand Paul?
DAMNIT
Tales from the Derp
So all the branches come here for language training and each branch has its own little quirks. The Navy decorated their dorm to look like a ship. There's a mast with flags and a pair of giant anchors in front. If you want to go in, you have to ask "permission to come aboard?" to the guy at the front desk.
Old WW2 German soldiers try to justify it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20
Memory says "I did that". Pride says "I did not do that". Eventually, memory gives up.
Nope, three years of high school German failed me. I guess I won't be pursuing that career after all.
Some of this does comport with what little I've read about captured German officers who were bunked together and spied on by the Brits, and the details they related re: disciplining their troops and trying to maintain some civility.
Man, that is rough to watch. I can't imagine the wheels spinning and the slurry of brainmatter they're ejecting trying to mesh this poor girl's account with what they've come to imagine about their war. I get that not all German servicemen were members of the Schutzstaffel, but even still there's got to be an inkling of humility in understanding that wartime conditions give the historical victims a much greater share of the benefit of doubt than the aggressors. Is it fair? Not by a long shot. But history isn't written by foiled aggressors, and it's absolutely not unimaginable that good people thinking they're doing right by their country might do wrong by any humanitarian standard.
No one is the villain of their own story.
I can imagine being wrong for the right reasons*. It doesn't seem like a huge stretch of the imagination to think that a man like me could be called upon to do things for reasons which later would prove indefensible.** The fact is, we live in nations which sometimes come into conflict with one another, and the notion of defending my family and community and country seems like a rightful and proper response to concerns of whether, as it might later be documented, it is considered right or proper***.
*I say, with the full understanding that I will never likely be called upon to test that hypothesis.
**I say, with the full understanding that I will never likely be called upon to test that hypothesis.
***I say, with the full understanding that I will never likely be called upon to test that hypothesis.
That's basically how the US and UK troops thought when dealing with regular German POWs. That is, they did not judge them harshly for doing what they themselves were doing.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but could Nick Denton possibly be any more of a disgusting little weasel?
http://gawker.com/an-open-lett.....1778991227
I refuse to add to their click count. What did the rat fuck say?
"Something something kid porn is ok if it gets clicks."
Sex sells falls within the purview of public interest.
Basically, "How can you sue me for ruining people's lives? Don't you see how many people's lives this lawsuit is going to ruin? Can't we just talk this out?"
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