Bill Weld

William Weld: 'Taxation is Theft'!

Former Republican governor Weld of Massachusetts, who Gary Johnson wants to the Libertarian Party's vice presidential pick, has an interesting outlook that sometimes flirts with the radically libertarian, but mostly doesn't.

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William Weld will likely be announcing his intention to seek the vice presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party (L.P.), in partnership with presidential hopeful Gary Johnson, the L.P.'s 2012 choice and the former Republican governor of New Mexico.

Weld/Mintz Levin law firm website

Weld was a former Reagan administration Justice Department official (who, winningly, in 1988 resigned in protest over Attorney General Edwin Meese's unpunished misconduct) and governor of Massachusetts through much of the 1990s.

He had a strong reputation but a checkered record as a government-cutter in his state, starting off strong but ending, according to some critics, failing to utterly rethink or shrink state government.

Weld gave a speech in the mid-'00s giving a wide overview of his beliefs about government, which should probably be studied by those considering him for the L.P.'s vice presidential slot.

It presents some things to make a libertarian smile, and a lot to make them question how much Weld gets the full-circle libertarian vision of government's purpose and role.

I'll lead with Weld's most radically libertarian expression, which should delight fans of silly libertarian internet memes: "I think coercive taxation is theft, and government has a moral duty to keep it to a minimum."

While some libertarians take the implications of "taxation is theft" to mean it's entirely improper, it is pretty rare to hear those words from a politician. It shows the right mindset, at least.

The giveaways, from the hardcore libertarian perspective, come thick and fast after that.

We need government as "a safeguard of our property" but also to "help us better our lot, to act as an economic catalyst. When I was the governor of Massachusetts, we used taxpayers' money to stimulate growth in biotech and telecommunications, two high-end industries that were tailor-made for the state because of all the universities."

He believes that in the cases of those industries, "government had a legitimate role in stepping in to address what I saw as a market failure."

Weld also talks up government's role in "redistributive justice," applying it first to education, where he thinks it's wrong for richer localities to have more money for schools than poorer ones.

He was proud his administration in Massachusetts:

already put in a statutory scheme of spreading the wealth around with a redistributive formula for financing education that went as far as was politically feasible: You have to get the votes in the Legislature. My Secretary of Education at the time was a woman, a native Cuban, who had been in the hills of Cuba with Fidel and Che in 1958. The joke around the statehouse was that this was the most Communist piece of legislation sponsored by a Republican administration in a long time.

That line could haunt him on the L.P. convention floor.

He goes on to praise government's role in righting wrongs, such as "slavery" and "Second-class citizenship for women." (Those wrongs were of course government-caused or at least government-buttressed, which Weld doesn't point out but many Libertarians might be likely to.)

He cops to:

depart[ing] radically from the Republican orthodoxy [on] the environment, or conservation, which is fundamental to human happiness. Natural resources are so vast that no single individual or business is going to protect them; they don't have an incentive to.

The creation of a Water Resources Authority to clean up the Boston harbor happened partly because of a suit I filed when I was US Attorney in 1983 against the State of Mass, saying this harbor is too damn dirty. That's one of the things I'm proudest of in my tenure as US Attorney. One of the things I'm least proud about is that I chickened out and never filed the suit against Ohio for public nuisance on account of the air blowing Northeast on the prevailing winds to Massachusetts. It is unlikely to have been approved in Washington, but it would have been interesting to try.

….In the Western part of this country, the property rights advocates think the government is riding roughshod over them. By and large I come down on the side of government assertiveness in that area.

There goes the Bundy Ranch vote, I suppose.

He's also proud of being for family leave legislation, which is "just government enacting support for the way the workforce has changed."

Weld sounds like a proto-"libertarian paternalist" when he says:

It's healthy for government to be a kind of moral catalyst, using the bully pulpit of high office. I am not talking about organized religion or being preachy. I mean moral suasion….Government can contribute to a shared sense of purpose on the part of the citizenry; that's its highest and best application.

He applies this idea in very vague terms to his sense of our role in the international arena, and fortunately doesn't openly say he's looking for reasons to use military force overseas.

He goes on to list some of his problems with government. These include: too much administrative bloat in education and health care, any kind of wage and price control, and regarding health care Weld wisely states: "It's not good for government to tell people that the world owes them a living and that things are free."

He states he's mostly for the idea of privatizing or ending government monopolies which have "proved to be a disaster" but adds the caveat that "I think transportation and corrections are not the first two areas that I would go looking for massive change."

He's terrible on campaign finance:

We need a complete ban on soft money, which is sort of an enveloping problem, and a ceiling on the amount of money that can be spent on a given race. The problem is the Supreme Court case, Buckley v. Vallejo, which says that any limited like that is unconstitutional, because money is speech…

Some libertarian pluses:

• "Managing people's sex lives is something that I don't think is a good role for government. I extend that to the abortion issue, I extend that to the so-called gay rights issue, I think this is a freedom principle and consistent with the analysis in the economic area as well."

• "Opposing the free flow of goods or people is a bad idea."

• "Telling people that we know better is one of my least favorite exercises of government. Government is the people, so the government, by definition, can't know better than the people."

Now, the above quote appears only slightly later in this speech than his praise for government moral suasion, a sign that in libertarian terms he hasn't forged a completely consistent and developed sense of what government is for.

That's often something Libertarians want or expect from their candidates, so while Johnson may be right that doubling up on "serious political credentials" might be a plus in the general election, it's by no means obvious it will be in the political battle that comes first: getting 50 percent plus one of the delegates at the Libertarian National Convention in Orlando over Memorial Day weekend to pick him, and then pick Weld.

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  1. Good god another Weld piece. He’s pushing Trump right out of the news. By the way, did Trump’s plane ever take off from Dulles?

  2. So at the rate this is going the LP will be Republican lite. Oh joy.

    1. Or Democrat lite. Take your pick.

      1. Well considering the behavior of the GOP, well yes. I mean the “anti-big government while not really doing anything about it” is pretty Republican.

      2. Team Purple Lite! Can someone start making our flag?

        1. An elephant and a donkey peeing on a porcupine.

          1. +1 Betsy Ross

        2. Purple? Kool-Aid can be our official drink!

          1. Flavor Aid?

            1. If the LP nominates GayJay they’re drinking a cyanide cocktail.

          2. Pandering for the black vote.

        3. Cloaks. Purple cloaks are awesome. The candidates have to wear those.

  3. Why not get a Romney-Ryan ticket while we are it?

    1. You already said that, like 6 times.

  4. Also will Bill Weld get the LP some Prog voters? I’m mean all those Northeastern Democrats that love Bill Weld….Hahahahahaha!!!

  5. “Weld was a former Reagan administration Justice Department official”

    Uh-oh.

    1. Why so glum? Look at Paul Craig Robertson…oh wait.

    2. Some more info on this dude:

      http://mlstrategies.com/profes…..m-weld.htm

      http://humanevents.com/2012/08…..ing-obama/

      1. The ML piece is standard corporate bio-boilerplate; NWS and I presume most everyone knows it.
        The other article defines him as ‘liberal Republican’, but who knows what that means? Some folks here ‘backed’ Obo and were decent enough to admit is was a horrible mistake; the other folks he pitched, I hardly know.

    3. It’s like the Timothy Leary/ G Gordon Liddy tour.

      GayJay’s the hippie and Weld is the Drug War Prosecutor

  6. What, there’s only one picture of this guy on the whole internet? I get more photos taken of me in one day than this guy in his whole career.

    Lazy interns. Sad!

    1. Those are two different pictures. He just never changes expressions.

  7. We need government as “a safeguard of our property” but also to “help us better our lot, to act as an economic catalyst. When I was the governor of Massachusetts, we used taxpayers’ money to stimulate growth in biotech and telecommunications, two high-end industries that were tailor-made for the state because of all the universities.”

    He believes that in the cases of those industries, “government had a legitimate role in stepping in to address what I saw as a market failure.”

    Awe inspiring pick by Gay Jay. Truly overwhelmed here.

    You know how NOT to sell libertarianism? By pushing yourself as Republican-lites. That is what this pick is about – a wrongheaded appeal to try and siphon off a few of the never Trump bunch.

    1. I think lighter Republicans would actually appreciate a VP that talked the real lp talk. Most people that would even look at the lp have some appreciation for the principles we stand for.

    2. You know how NOT to sell libertarianism?

      Why, yes, yes we do. We’ve got 40 years experience in not selling libertarianism. At some point you gotta figure it’s not because people don’t know what you’re selling, it’s that they do know. Maybe you have to consider that you’re going to have to choose between supplying a niche market or changing your product. If appealing to NeverTrumps gets them in the door, maybe we can sell them some of the other product we keep behind the counter. If we just keep trying to sell the one product, they’ll never even poke their heads inside to see what all we may have to offer.

      Whether or not Weld is the guy to try this approach with, I don’t know. But right now is the best shot we got at doing something different than all of us standing around the store reassuring each other that any minute now the customers are going to come busting through the doors – yep, any minute now they’re all going to realize what great products we carry here and then they’ll all want to get some of that. Any minute now.

      1. You can compare political parties to a free market. Bill Maher sure did that when he quipped to Nick how libertarians struggle in the marketplace for voters or some such. Maher probably should have looked in the mirror and examined how that applied to many of his own beliefs and political inclinations. He often laments the lack of a real leftwing party in the country.

        This isn’t an open market. It is a heavily regulated market where two political parties get to write the laws and control the institutions through which voters get their information. Most people in this country are mostly disengaged non-consumers of politics to begin with, but as the old adage goes – you may not be interested in government, but it’s interested in you.

        Most people can’t define libertarianism to include Republicans. Most have never heard of the NAP. Many of us started off as roughly aligning with one of the two parties at some point in our lives. And most of us did not need a watered down libertarianism when we went looking for an alternative.

      2. Very well said, Jerry.

        I support GayJo for that very reason. He is good enough and he won’t scare the straights. The message is worthless if you can’t get anyone to listen to it. GayJo is libertarian enough and can plant seeds where the other two won’t.

        That said, Weld sounds like the wrong choice. Picking him prior to the nomination will turn one mistake into two.

  8. I only came here cause I didn’t want Libertarian to cross the squirrel singularity on his own.

  9. All Taxation is Theft.

    We should eliminate all taxes and just close down the government.

    People who have fires should put out their own damn fires or hire someone to come put out the fire.
    Why should I pay for someone else’s fire.

    Same with the police. Why should I pay for the cops. People should just hire their own security or protect themselves.

    Anyone who supports the idea that I have to pay taxes is a SLAVER.

    1. Alice Bowie (is back)|5.18.16 @ 9:45PM|#
      “We should eliminate all taxes and just close down the government.”

      Ya know, reading isn’t difficult; even a caveman can do it. But Alice? Nope.
      Fuck off, slaver.

    2. Alice is feeling the need to expose that intellectual inferiority and get that general I am woe fetish on once again. Sigh, I’m trying to play some Space Pirates and Zombies 2 here, I don’t have much time to inflict you with an intellectual lashing right now. Don’t you have a cat-o-nine tails or something with which to flagellate yourself?

    3. Throughout human history, outside when theocracies, most people have rightly viewed government as a compromise. A necessary evil. Piece of shit bootlickers such as yourself, though, practically sprint to the voting box to vote away your rights. Why do progs feel the need for to have a big, strong, burly government to take care of them and their family?

      You propose those scenarios thinking them ridiculous, yet the fact remains that I highly resent knowing that if you were on fire, my tax dollars would be wasted trying to save you.

      You piece of shit.

      1. Be nice. Alice does not have a burqua into which someone can force her, or someone to stone her for her sins, without bigger government. Therefore, Alice needs more government, much more bigger stronger government to make her be a good girl, or else.

          1. According to Alice, he’s a middle-aged white guy who made some money by accident and presumes anyone else who made money was equally stupid/lucky.
            Alice is a typical limo-liberal, quite like H-wood ‘celebrities’ who made money by luck.

      2. There is absolutely no need for government.
        Practically every “necessary” function can be purchased.
        Police and fire services can be purchased by those who need them.

        If one needs to take one to court, one can hire their own lawyers and judges and can hire a private security company to execute any judgement.

        I don’t need a bunch of slavers taking my money to pay for other peoples services.

        1. Alice, why are you here? Why hasn’t big daddy gov prepared your safe space yet? There is no need for you to suffer the brutality of reality and mean old libertarians. Poor child, poor poor child.

            1. So you’re here to show you really are a pathetic excuse for humanity?

            2. See my post above about Alice’s fetish self flagellation.

        2. Alice Bowie (is back)|5.18.16 @ 9:56PM|#

          There is absolutely no need for government.
          Practically every “necessary” function can be purchased.
          Police and fire services can be purchased by those who need them.

          If one needs to take one to court, one can hire their own lawyers and judges and can hire a private security company to execute any judgement.

          Again, just like exists right now. After all, we can already purchase services from private fire and security companies, and binding arbitration has been a thing for longer than this country has existed.

          1. Private security? Are you crazy?!

            Why, if we had private corporations conducting law enforcement, they’d be out of control! They would probably shoot unarmed individuals at the slightest hint of risk! They would routinely steal money through “asset forfeiture”! Maybe this is just my morose imagination, but I think there would probably be incidents where private police officers shoot peoples’ dogs!

            You see, a private security company would have the incentive to do these things because of profits. When you take the profit motive out of it, people will behave much better! You should thank your lucky stars that police are run by the government in this country.

      3. “…Why do progs feel the need for to have a big, strong, burly government to take care of them and their family?…”

        Think “Batting Ts”.
        Juvenile proggies like Alice never grew up; the thought of acting as a moral agent is terrifying to such pathetic beings.
        If a ‘parent figure’ doesn’t tell them what to do, they are lost. And in their ignorance, they presume the same of actual adults. And they resent it mightily when their arrested development is pointed out to them.

        1. Oh, Alice?
          Along with learning to read, GROW THE FUCK UP.

      4. Now THAT’S the kind of stuff I want to hear McAfee spewing at the presidential debate with Hillary and Trump.

        1. Get me liquored up and a ticket to attend somehow, and I’ll go in and shout it during the debates.

      5. . . . most people have rightly viewed government as a compromise. A necessary evil.

        This is what I don’t get. I have anarchist *leanings* but I understand the midset that accepts that there are *some* things that are more efficiently provided as a group – even to the point of coercing those who will benefit but are unwilling to pay – but I don’t get all these people that want to keep shoving shit into that bag.

        There are technical limits to how much government can manage and how large a group it can manage. Guys like Alice like to point out how technology is not going to save the planet from global warming but somehow believe that our governing tech will always increase juuuuust in time. Despite evidence that unless we find a new paradigm soon, we’re rapidly approaching the limits of what the nation-state can handle and would be better off not *unifying* even more government but breaking them up into smaller, more manageable chunks.

    4. Alice Bowie (is back)|5.18.16 @ 9:45PM|#

      People who have fires should put out their own damn fires or hire someone to come put out the fire.

      Which is what we do already – we just don’t have a choice of service providers.

      Why do you hate choice Alice?

    5. People who have fires should put out their own damn fires or hire someone to come put out the fire.

      Would I be allowed to get together with my neighbors and form some sort of group that would be a just-in-case protection scheme? Like say, we could each pay a monthly amount into a pool and use that money to keep a fire crew on stand-by just in case one of us had a fire and then this crew could come put out the fire. We could probably do the same thing with pooling an amount of money to guard against the risk of our houses being damaged in other ways, like by storms or by burglars or something, too. Heck, we could even extend this concept to our cars, like in case we had an accident, or our health, like in case we got sick, maybe even our lives in case we got dead. Dang! Why hasn’t somebody thought of this sort of thing before? We all pool a little of our money together as an assurance that if something bad happens we’ll be able to take care of it. We could call it an assurance policy!

    6. I don’t disagree with any of this. So that’s just a sarcasm failure.

  10. Reason is also moronically in it for Johnson. He’s not winning so guess what? His executive experience means dick. He doesn’t have name recognition, either. He’s a nobody and has a the charisma of a potted plant. Give me a strong advocate of real libertarianism. Not this bullshit ‘fiscally conservative, socially liberal’ BS spouted by Johnson.

    1. He doesn’t have name recognition, either.

      Yep and any recognition he will get will be of the “Libertarians are crazy and/or evil” or “Libertarians are just evil Republicans!” variety. And Weld won’t have much either. And it’s not like this will get a bunch of Dems to vote LP or get the Never Trumpers either.

    2. I think Johnson does have some name recognition. The problem is the premature pick of a VP candidate that makes no sense at all. I mean I can think of a LOT of potential picks right off the bat that would have been vastly better. What about Peter Thiel?

      1. John McAfee fucking wins on name recognition.

        1. Augustus Sol Invictus wins on Satan recognization.

      2. Peter Thiel is a Trump delegate.

        1. Thiel is also a libertarian.

          1. Yes, a libertarian for Trump.

            If the LP nominates GayJay there is going to be a lot more libertarians for Trump.

            I pray they have the wisdom to nominate John McAfee. 2016 is the Year of the Outsider.
            Not the Year of boring moderate Retread Republican ex-Governors

            1. Anyone who supports Trump is not a libertarian. Just like anyone who supports Clinton or Sanders is not a libertarian.

  11. “already put in a statutory scheme of spreading the wealth around with a redistributive formula for financing education that went as far as was politically feasible: You have to get the votes in the Legislature. My Secretary of Education at the time was a woman, a native Cuban, who had been in the hills of Cuba with Fidel and Che in 1958. The joke around the statehouse was that this was the most Communist piece of legislation sponsored by a Republican administration in a long time.”

    “Not a true Scotsman” doesn’t begin to define *that* stand. I’m sure it came with a 5-year plan.

  12. To be honest – this guy sounds horrible.

    He’s obviously not a libertarian. Not even libertarian leaning. There is simply no way to pair ‘small government’ with ‘redistributive justice’.

    ‘Taxation is theft and so we have a moral duty to keep it to a minimum’ is just a WTF statement. Its something said by a guy who has no idea what ‘moral duty’ means. He’s like Trump – he says shit that he thinks will resonate with his current audience without regard to whether or not it even makes sense.

    Oh, and he’s perfectly fine with a massive and unaccountable bureaucracy (headquartered a thousand miles away from the property they’re ‘managing’) controlling somewhere around 50% of the West – because he doesn’t understand *incentives* or what ‘tragedy of the commons’ means. BLM and its peers do not have any incentive to manage their lands ‘in the best interests of the people’ not only because there is on such thing as ‘the people’ (which a libertarian should know) but also because its not ‘the people’ signing their paychecks – its the pols in Washington. So the lands will be managed in the best interest of those politicians.

    1. No. No, FUCK NO. This guy does not need to be VP for a Libertarian candidate – I don’t even understand why he’s seeking that position as he obviously has pretty much no respect for personal liberty.

      IMO, and I don’t know jack about the third candidate, if Johnson or MacAfee got the nod, their best candidate for VP would be the other. MacAfee/Johson or Johnson/MacAfee – both bring goods to the table that the other can use and neither comes with the policy bullshit that Weld does.

      1. I think I’m totally on board with the ‘No. No. FUCK NO’ thing here. Yeah, I’m totally on board. WTF, Gary? You’re dead to me.

      2. i completely agree. those are my two favorites, and the ways they contrast with each other could help immensely. it is definitely the best option, that is visible to me

        when i see the write up on Weld, i have to say WTF?! this guy does not seem even close to libertarian… he has a record of supporting big government and redistribution…. he is a republican that even a lot of hard core republicans would have a hard time supporting. even, on the off chance this was successful… and it pulls some GOP support for this one election… it will alienate us form the very middle we represent, and severely tarnish what being libertarian means.

  13. Enough with the shingles commercials, TV people!

  14. I understand the LP will have infighting between the pragmatics and the radicals and the cosmos/yokels but couldn’t they settle for more than “Good for a New England Republican”?

    1. Are you joking? I mean seriously? Is that, what the fuck is that?

      1. Weld’s status as a libertarian think tank favorite was because he was regarded as less shitty than a typical New England politician?

        1. The case for Romney maybe, but for a libertarian VP candidate?

          1. That was what I was trying to say? Weld being less shitty than your typical New England Republican is one thing but not what I would expect from a Libertarian Party?

            Well if we are going for a Massachusetts Republican why not someone more like Calvin Coolidge?

            1. Because there is no Mass Repubs like Coolidge? I suspect if you really want to make your name as a libertarian Republican, Massholio is not on the consideration list.

          2. Frankly, if anyone expected a third party to win big in November, it’s going to be a GOP alternative candidate.

            1. I’ll vote for Rand if he runs third party. And I fully expect him to NOT pull any brain dead bullshit like Johnson just pulled.

              1. You mean like some of the brain-dead shit he pulled in the GOP race where he repudiated some of the stuff that made him even moderately palatable to libertarians and trotted out the stuff that turns them off? The stuff where he de-emphasized what made him different and emphasized what made him just like all the rest?

        2. Largely that even w a heavily D legislature, he was able to get some cuts…for a while. That plus he’s a policy wonk, and some of his wonking happens to work in a libertarian direction, plus he made enemies with the GOP nationally re the drug war while earning their respect. He’s a maverick! There must be something to that!

          20-30 yrs. ago all it took to get heavy consider’n from organized libertarians was to be against some facets of the wars on drugs. It was such a rare thing for pols to deviate from the consensus on that it was weighted very heavily in the eyes of libertarians. Still is today, except that what was cutting edge then isn’t any more (because of progress re pot & OTC syringes), which means that very soon it becomes an extreme outlier position again, because who’s going to advocate anything more than possibly loosening up on painkiller prescribing?

        3. Largely that even w a heavily D legislature, he was able to get some cuts…for a while. That plus he’s a policy wonk, and some of his wonking happens to work in a libertarian direction, plus he made enemies with the GOP nationally re the drug war while earning their respect. He’s a maverick! There must be something to that!

          20-30 yrs. ago all it took to get heavy consider’n from organized libertarians was to be against some facets of the wars on drugs. It was such a rare thing for pols to deviate from the consensus on that it was weighted very heavily in the eyes of libertarians. Still is today, except that what was cutting edge then isn’t any more (because of progress re pot & OTC syringes), which means that very soon it becomes an extreme outlier position again, because who’s going to advocate anything more than possibly loosening up on painkiller prescribing?

    1. You fucked Link!

        1. What a great movie

    2. Insufficiently precise URL. But then this happened.

  15. Is there no evil men will not do?

    FiveThirtyEight finds column inches with one of the most pointless articles ever.

    1. Are men sabotaging youtube dislikes on the Ghostbusters trailer?

    2. He says sex and the city is aimed at women. Does he have a cite for that?

    3. That article made my menstrual cramps start

    4. Now, if men didn’t feel compelled to crap on shows that plainly aren’t aimed at them, this might not be a problem.

      So the crux of it is that some viewers don’t deserve a voice because they turn out in a higher proportion.

      Okay, thanks, Walt.

    5. So, we need government intervention in IMDB, right? Only reviewers who match the target demographic can review.

      Frankly, I’m just surprised that men rated Sex and the City a 5.8. Way too fucking high.

      Zero point zero.

  16. OK OK OK

    I got it. Government is a necessary Evil.

    Nevertheless, we don’t need to tax everyone to pay for it.
    People can pay for the services they need.
    And, instead of taxes, people can voluntarily give money towards those that can’t afford government service.
    You know, charity.

    1. Alice Bowie (is back)|5.18.16 @ 10:09PM|#
      “OK OK OK
      I got it. Government is a necessary Evil.
      Nevertheless, we don’t need to tax everyone to pay for it.”

      Once again, Alice proves himself incapable of understanding simple concepts.
      Now, this could be willful ignorance, in that (like commie kid) Alice does understand, but then, in a warped attempt at cleverness, feigns not to.
      But given Alice’s record, even that elver of stupidity is doubtful; it seems Alice is just fucking stupid.

      1. Sevo, have u been using too much aderall. You appear to have no serotonin left.

        Lighten up !!!

        Besides, don’t you believe “All taxation is Theft”?

        If so, why not eliminate taxes and have government funded by fees and charitable contributions ?

        1. Still too much government.

          Drowning it in the bathtub was too charitable. Crushing like a roach is better.

        2. Alice Bowie (is back)|5.18.16 @ 10:30PM|#
          “Sevo, have u been using too much aderall. You appear to have no serotonin left.
          Lighten up !!!”

          Alice!!! You’re full of shit!!! And for a second opinion, stupid, besides!!!

  17. Ya’ll want a libertarian with ballz and who can speak? I hope this guy doesn’t scare you too much. Apparently, he’s too crazy to be welcomed in polite libertarians circles.

    Adam Kokesh

    1. I like him, but his speaking style is like 100 full throttle at all times based on that speech. Need to build to it.

      1. He is pretty high energy.

        1. He would have been a hero in 1770, now he’s a crazy. I personally really like the guy, always have.

          1. And we have to have someone like that in the libertarian party, not everyone can be the calm and compromising Rand Paul. We need Kokesh, we actually need thousands of him.

            1. Rand Paul’s Samuel Adams?

    2. No.

      He sounds fine on a few things, then he goes full retard.

      I think the way he was arrested for his gun-right antics was horrible, and i think he should be defended from certain criticism in the “extremism in defense of liberty”-type way… but otherwise? i can’t stand to hear the guy talk. Adam vs the World was not a good look.

      1. There were a few derp points to me about consumerism and such.

        1. I think Hyp is right that “we need people like him”… he’s enthusiastic and seems to bridge a gap between the Occupy Wall St and the Malheur Occupiers in a way… speaks to both audiences… but a bit too “Alex Jonesey”, shall we say. A good, well intentioned dude, but prone to excess.

  18. Who is the milf on Srange Inheritances? I don’t like blonds much, but what a rack this girl has.

  19. Socially liberally/fiscally conservative is in theory supposed to be the best elements of both parties yet in practice it seems to be the worse parts of both parties…

    1. Funnily enough the worst elements of both parties, no matter how much lip-service they pay to the concepts, are neither fiscally conservative nor socially liberal.

      1. Depends on what you mean by “liberal”. If you mean “leave everyone alone” (something that even Reason glosses over when speaking of “social liberalism”) then yes. If you mean “force everyone to have the right values” on the other hand…

  20. I think we get a good idea of what “economically conservative and socially liberal” means in practice.

    Sure, they’re economic conservatives, but on the *social issue* of redistributive justice in education, they want to spread the wealth around (which of course is the same phrase Obama used with Joe the Plumber, but let’s not get hung up on that).

    Sure, they’re economic conservatives, but on the *social issue* of fairness for women, they’re for mandatory family leave.

    Sure, they’re economic conservatives, but on the *social issue* of gay rights they will force bakers to make gay cakes. If that means forcing small businesses run by religious families out of business, that’s not economics, it’s just breaking a few eggs to make a…cake.

    I think it’s time to rethink the entire “economic conservative, socially liberal” paradigm. Social liberals can’t be conservative, and they can’t be real liberals either (if we’re using the term “liberal” to mean concerned with liberty).

    1. “Economically conservative and socially liberal” was pretty much always a reactionary appeal to a non-existent 1960s-1970s era past. Looking at Nixon/Ford and LBJ/Carter shows what those two terms meant in practice.

    2. The term socially liberal should be replaced with snobbishly liberal.

    3. Can you see the clear, bright dividing line between social issues and economic issues in the examples above?

      Neither can I.

      1. It would barely matter because even if we did have a clear division, the ‘liberal’ left’s solution to those social problems is always more government. There is no issue progressives are reliable allies of libertarians on because their end goals is always to force compliance.

    4. What it means in practice is that the politician claiming to be so is either flat-out lying or has so many ‘buts’, ‘ifs’, ‘whens’ and so on because they’ve never actually examined their core principles – if they had they’d have realized that they are either not fiscally conservative or socially liberal or not both.

    5. “Economically conservative and socially liberal” is different than what you describe, which is “economically conservative and socially progressive.”

      1. Only, socially liberal these days is socially progressive. They might as well be synonymous since most of the people who consider themselves the former fall into the latter camp.

        1. Reminds of when Zeb complains about how there are no liberals anymore and complains that Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ were not liberals. He seems to be referring to a definition of “liberal” that hasn’t been around for over a century yet acts as if these “liberals” existed during his lifetime.

          1. Mort Sahl said 40 yrs. ago that there are no more liberals, there are only social democrats.

      2. To repeat what I said above, “Social liberals can’t be conservative, and they can’t be real liberals either (if we’re using the term “liberal” to mean concerned with liberty).”

      3. Seems the term “social liberal” originally referred to those Edwardian Liberals who rejected laissez faire. And they were big social reformers at that The term “social liberal” as used by Reason and other libertarian has always been referring to a non-existent tendency.

        1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

          In American political usage, however, the term “social liberalism” describes progressive stances on socio-political issues like abortion, same-sex marriage or gun control, as opposed to “social conservatism”.

          The third issue is unlibertarian and for the first two the liberals are far from “leaving people alone” on them.

          1. I’m mostly pro-choice, with reservations that I think are better addressed privately between individuals than through public policy.

            I have no doubt that, given enough latitude on the issue, progressives will reintroduce eugenics within a generation.

            1. Will should be would. Given enough latitude, they would.

  21. Johnson/ Weld 2016

    “Spread the Wealth Around”

      1. And yet the proponent of that very plan himself refused to follow it.

        Progessivism – plans so good you need to force others, at gunpoint, to execute them and work hard as hell to not have to live by yourself.

  22. 90+% of those who have ever voted for an LP candidate for president have never joined the LP, sent in a check, or remained interested beyond election day. They are protest votes for the most part. Running a “real libertarian” with no credentials won’t likely attract even more protest voters and won’t do much for the LP in the long run. I wish Richard Winger could chime in with an analysis of how many states would be in play for future automatic ballot status if the LP candidate could draw A,B or C% of the votes. Perhaps 2016 is the year to play for future ballot status so the grind and expense of ballot drives could to better use in 2018 and 2020?

    1. You want to goose those percentages?

      Knowles/Ritchie 2016!

        1. She’ll turn 35 this year, according to Wikipedia, and that’s the minimum age for President.

        2. Why didn’t you just Bae so?

    2. Then the LP should draft Romney

    3. creech|5.18.16 @ 10:33PM|#
      “90+% of those who have ever voted for an LP candidate for president have never joined the LP, sent in a check, or remained interested beyond election day.”

      As it should be.
      Politics should be worth about 1/365th of our attention. It’s the janitor of the world, and should clean up on Aisle 6 when someone drops a box of cereal and STFU otherwise.
      I used to send checks and ‘joined’, but after a bit of reflection, I wondered why I had to ‘join’ a goddam political party. Not even the Ds or Rs require ‘joining’; you just vote.
      Not sure what your intent is for the candidates, but I hold firm to the theory that I’d rather vote for what I want and lose than the alternative. Starchild ain’t on the June SF ballot r he’d get my vote. Other than that, I voted against every spending measure (all were to cover ‘shortfalls’ from the former measures that somehow got spent elsewhere) and I think there was an anti-Kamala Harris candidate that got my vote (I sent it last week, and like I say, it was due that much attention).

  23. These aspirants for the Libertarian nomination remind me of link text“this guy.

  24. One would think that all the hatred towards Trump and Hillary would had made someone like Gary Johnson a great alternative for both Dems and Republicans.

    1. “One would think that all the hatred towards Trump and Hillary would had made someone like Gary Johnson a great alternative for both Dems and Republicans.”

      He ain’t offering free shit, which is what drives the majority of the voters.

  25. Governor Weld: as an unrepentant professional thief, how ought you be punished?

  26. Hmm, I didn’t see the free market enslave folks for 100 years, and then create the black codes in 1866, followed by jim crow which lasted for another 99 years, only to create a drug war that goes on till this day. That along with stealing half of everyones incomes after the fed and state are through with folks.

    Oh, don’t forget the well over 70 plus interventions into foreign lands that occurred in the name of “freedom”, which the result has been less of it.

    Slaves like Alice and Winston will never get it. They believe the douchebags on “their side” are benevolent, and can rarely do wrong. these are the folks that call themselves compassionate, while advocating robbery, coercion, and extortion take place against others. Of course they would never engage in those acts themselves. They know they would face consequenaes for their actions. This could be kung fu, a dog, knives, or firearms (which they want reatricted so badly). That is why they don’t rob their neighbors and “redistribute” the stolen money to others.

    They get to hide behind the politicians, who hide behind their own standing armies. Who seriously thinks Harry Reid or John Boehnor would be capable of extorting someone? They might make it past one gate, until they get the shit kicked out of them and get left in the road.

    They are the ones who allow the likes of pol pot, hitler, mao, stalin, etc. and all these other douchebags to rise to great power as they lick their boots in support.

    1. Slaves like Alice and Winston will never get it. They believe the douchebags on “their side” are benevolent, and can rarely do wrong. these are the folks that call themselves compassionate, while advocating robbery, coercion, and extortion take place against others.

      I would like to see links to the posts where I said those things…

    2. Malcolm x was murdered by a bunch of blacks that felt that Mr X was simply NOT RACIST ENOUGH.
      George Wallace was left Paralyzed by a White Man that felt that Georgie was simply NOT RACIST ENOUGH.
      Itzhak Rabin was murdered by a Jew that felt that Mr Rabin was simply NOT RACIST ENOUGH.

      Poor Alice Bowie (A very left-leaning libertarian) is frequently thrown under the bus for simply being NOT LIBERTARIAN ENOUGH.

      1. Unlike the other three, you keep coming back.

        1. Not True, George Wallace lived for years after being shot.

            1. Don’t we wish Alice was…

              1. Not really. All commenters are welcome.

                1. “All commenters are welcome.”

                  Your generosity is appreciated (by some), but Alice, like commie-kid, shows up and posts the same crap regarding libertarians regardless of the number of times people have tried to explain where Alice (and commie-kid) have misunderstood the issues.
                  By now, it is obvious that the mental abilities of the two of them are simply not up to understanding what has been explained, even when folks have attempted it at a very elementary level.
                  I will agree that I have no particular wish that Alice is dead, but I *do* have a wish that Alice would permanently fuck off. Yes, I appreciate that cockroaches are successful as survivors, but I still have no wish to have them around; Alice is at best, vermin.

      2. ‘left-leaning libertarian’? You mean a big-government socialist?

  27. Johnson isn’t a libertarian. He’s more of a Michael Huffington Republican. His VP pick confirms this.

    1. So he’s gay and his wife will create a bunch of leftist sites?

  28. Probably won’t be the last time I link to this.

    1. I think this sums it up nicely, too.
      I’ve been feeling blue ’cause you need me some of the time, that’s the way it stays. (When I think of all you’ve said and done, you’d think you could read my mind when I try to tell you these are my ways.)

      1. Hey, that’s catchy, thank you for the link.

    1. TL;DR he thinks it’s awesome and totally scientifically accurate.

      /sarc

          1. She’s a rocket scientist?

            1. Wait, I didn’t see Vivica Fox.

            2. She knows how to launch my rocket.

              1. Assuming that all systems are go, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

    2. . . . and it costs no more to write well than it does to write poorly.

      Says the guy neither paid to write nor paying others to do so.

      1. Yeah, I think the ghost of Carl Sagan would like a word re: why Contact was panned by viewers and critics. You want realistic sci-fi? Well, Neal Stephenson published a ~1100 page book that posits what happens if the moon spontaneously fragments. It’s painstakingly detailed from event to mass extinction. Somehow I doubt he’s getting any calls from producers.

        1. Its not even that – a lot of the holes the guy points out in the article really could be patched if someone had spent the time to think things through, without impairing anything or, really, even changing a single bit of what you saw. They would just need to change up the dialogue with more believable stats.

          There would of course still remain the cliche problems – no reason for the invasion in the first place as there’s nothing on Earth (including living space) that isn’t more readily available in the rest of the solar system and without the pesky hairless ape infestation.

          But it would have taken *time* – either to find writers that have already internalized this stuff or to have someone on hand to point out those problems. And time is money.

          So it does cost more to write well than to write poorly – because I don’t believe the people making movies are complete idiots (certainly not the guys *financing* them) and because so many movies are poorly written, I would have to assume that there is a price difference between poor writing and good writing.

          1. That’s true. These are just vehicles for telling stories, after all. Well, no. Vehicles to sell tickets. The stories are pretty much bolted on after the plot device has been explained.

            1. Actually, no. Not because they couldn’t change some key stats, but because a lot of the film was a matter of playing up the gigantic and overwhelming nature of the visitor. So either the alien craft would need to be (relatively) unimpressively small, or they’d need to fudge the science a bit.

              1. Not at all – mention the amateur astronomers and how that discovered it first and how the whole world knows what’s coming.

                You can have a gigantic alien craft, just make its density is less than water – keep the size, change the mass. It won’t make a difference to the average viewer (3.5×10^8 Gigatons vs 1.8×10^10 Gigatons) and the people who do know would appreciate it.

                A mention about how much energy is being manipulated upon re-entry and how their control of it raises the stakes.

                You’ll still have to handwave the Endor Holocaust that ‘winning’ will result in, but its a hugely smaller problem than the fact the the very arrival and landing are extinction level event in themselves.

    3. I’m sure lots of rocket scientists got their inspir’n from Independence Day sky rockets.

      1. Goddard did.

        Gerald Bull probably got his from Roman candles.

  29. Johnson/Weld have the potential to be taken seriously as a libertarian ticket. They have better records than either major party candidate. This is one of the few elections where it is faintly plausible to imagine the LP getting over 10% of the vote. That won’t happen if the LP goes with someone who’ll just spout off orthodoxies at the first sign of press attention. Does anyone really think there would be a Cake Executive Order on day one in office?

    1. Pretty sure I’ve voter L for the last 5 or 6 pres. elections, but this:

      “already put in a statutory scheme of spreading the wealth around with a redistributive formula for financing education that went as far as was politically feasible: You have to get the votes in the Legislature. My Secretary of Education at the time was a woman, a native Cuban, who had been in the hills of Cuba with Fidel and Che in 1958. The joke around the statehouse was that this was the most Communist piece of legislation sponsored by a Republican administration in a long time.”

      is enough to keep me from voting L.
      Dunno about others here, but I don’t vote the party ticket; I vote the platform.

      1. agreed. i would probably still go with GJ, but having this guy on the ticket would require putting more thought into it.

      2. I think it’s a bad joke, but no one with any actual political experience is perfect. I cannot think of anyone who has been in politics who never said or done anything I objected to. If you want a ideological purist then you’ll only find people who have never actually governed, and I wouldn’t expect better of them once/if they actually do.

  30. He has some good qualities from a libertarian perspective, but overall, this is yet another disappointment from Johnson. Looks like he is trying to pander to the #NeverTrump crowd. Regardless, this duo would be infinitely better than anything consisting of Clinton or Trump, and I will most likely be voting for them in November.

  31. GayJay is probably the best for crossover appeal. He’s super squishy on “rights.” Peterson might be the most Libertarian. Capital L. McAfee is probably the best for this election, as far as crazy-seeks-attention quotient. There’s no correct answer, since breaking 2% is really the goal. All I ask is that my Florida friends(as a native born and raised Floridian) vote Augustus Sol Invictus for Senate. The rest of the nation looks to Florida for crazy.

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    Weld is just another opportunist.
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    Just like Trump the Grump, Heil Hitlery and Comrade Bernie.
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