Libertarian Party

Libertarian Party: Can It Take the Ball and Run?

A roundup of media considering that maybe this is the year for the Libertarian Party to shine, as various candidates fight for its soul.

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I've been keeping my eye on the L.P. since an Ed Clark TV ad in 1980 scared me (straight!) when I was 12 years old, and am reasonably certain that the amount and nature of press attention to the Libertarian Party in these weeks leading up to its presidential nominating convention in Orlando over Memorial Day weekend is unprecedented, and unprecedentedly willing to consider the possibilities the Party offers an America suffering from Clinton and Trump.

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Who is to thank? Doubtless decades of efforts of libertarian journalists and polemicists, cough cough. But also, thank the most nightmarish pair of "real candidates" America has offered since the last time, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

I am as willing as the next libertarian to entertain counter-intuitive takes proposing that Clinton and Trump on some deep level aren't really any more awful than any given candidate ever since the Articles of Confederation were overridden, but the vibe is different now, and Clinton and Trump surely represent to the people who hate them (which is most of us for one reason or another) an apotheosis of what is so awful about their respective parties that is making many people notice that the "system" is failing us, big time.

So, here come the Libertarians and here comes the chatter about the Libertarians. A survey of some of the latest:

• Ex-Reasoner David Weigel at the Washington Post finds incumbent would-be L.P. nominee Gary Johnson a little shocked at how aggravating and nasty the fight to reclaim his throne has been: "It's the most negative race of my career, by far," Johnson told Weigel.

Here's what Weigel got out of Johnson's most prominent competitors, antivirus maven and international man of mystery John McAfee, and "freedom ninja" Austin Petersen:

"I like Gary Johnson as a person," said McAfee in a phone interview from his well-guarded Tennessee home. "I do not see how his lackluster personality can help the Libertarian Party any more than it already has."

"Governor Johnson gets most of his money from special interests and the marijuana industry," said Petersen, as he drove to western Pennsylvania for a fundraiser. "I'm trying to create a grown-up movement."

McAfee added later that Libertarians are foolish to go for the apparent value of "experienced executive" that Johnson has going for him, believing Trump is living proof that a "successful politician" is not what the American people seem to want right now.

Petersen credits himself for being the "architect" of the rise of Judge Andrew Napolitano, on whose Fox Business News show Freedom Watch Petersen was a producer.

Johnson in Weigel's story still clearly believes his experience, both within the L.P. and without it, make him the only sane choice compared to the volatile and controversial McAfee and the relatively untried Petersen. Passing him up might, as Weigel sums up, cost the Party its greatest chance at real political relevance in this most significant of years for political outsiders.

Marc Ambinder at The Week worries on the Libertarians' behalf that they have already blown it, for a confusing and rambling set of reasons. He starts making uneducated assumptions about alleged billionaires ready to fund the L.P., predictions that, before they even have a candidate, voters are not convinced to "give the party a second look."

He makes an ironically self-reflective point about how "The media has begun to write its cursory stories, which only serves to convince libertarians that the fix is in: As long as you've checked the "we did cover the libertarians, once!" box, you can go back to the click-bait and ratings vehicle that is Donald J. Trump."

Ambinder then assumes, based on nothing other than Johnson's personal and business advocacy for pot, that it is the only issue the party is "organizing seriously" around, with vague declarations that its "fiscal conservative policy planks" are somehow fuzzy or unemphasized, when in fact they are quite clear (below from the L.P. platform, not Ambinder):

All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.

Tax and spending issues are also by no means ignored by Libertarian candidates in my experience. Not really sure what Ambinder is basing this sort of airy punditry on, but he can be assured most of his audience won't know any better, what with how little the media reports on the L.P. and all.

On that little drug dig, consider how incredibly prescient and ahead of the political curve Libertarians and Johnson himself even as a Republican have been on the drug issue, rather than just mock them for it, and wonder if the out there crazies of the Libertarian Party might have more ahead-of-the-curve ideas to latch on to.

Ambinder then slams the Libertarians for, well, having a set of beliefs that most Americans don't share, kind of the nature of an upstart Party and ideology. "We elect people to give us the stuff we want, whether that's stuff that makes our lives easier or makes life harder for the guys we don't like," Ambinder writes. Yes, but this is America's problem, not the Libertarians. 

• Nora Kelly at The Atlantic also asks if this is the Libertarian Party's moment. She does a decent roundup of the reasons for and signs of a banner year for the L.P. and of the presidential candidates notes:

If there were a contest for the best campaign slogan this cycle, two of these guys might be contenders. McAfee bills himself as "The Most Interesting Candidate in the World" (sans any mention of Dos Equis), while Petersen's motto stays on message: "Taking Over the Government, to Leave Everyone Alone." (Johnson's slogan is the ho-hum "Be Libertarian With Me.")…

[Johnson] said yes when I asked if he was in the race to win the presidency. McAfee, known for his intense personality, took a harder line on his eventual victory: "I don't have the time to waste on folly."

The Free Beacon provides a very detailed account of some of the stances of the long L.P. undercard, the candidates not Johnson, Petersen, or McAfee, based on an 11-candidate debate from February in Biloxi, Missouri. A fair amount of sneering in it, but not a bad survey.

• Ed Rogers at the Washington Post damns the rest of the political world with this praise for Gary Johnson: "He's not a nut and he's not manifestly dishonest, and that sets him apart from the field."

• Candidate John McAfee's latest business venture news this week, he: 

has been tapped as chief executive of tiny MGT Capital Investments, an investor in fantasy sports and mobile games.

MGT Capital said on Monday it would change its name to John McAfee Global Technologies and that it would buy some assets of McAfee's anti-spy software company, D-Vasive.

Shares of MGT, which had a market value of about $5 million on Friday, soared 85 percent to 66 cents in early trading.

That price rise continued since that news earlier this week, and Insider Financial reports today that:

Shares of MGT Capital Investments Inc (NYSEMKT:MGT) have rocketed higher on a perfectly executed short squeeze. The company was successful in combining news with a paid promo to send the shorts covering and penny stock traders chasing the next microcap runner. Smart investors are asking what's next after shares moved from $.40 to almost $2.

Tweets suggested that Johnson forces were claiming this MGT move was tantamount to dropping out of the presidential race. McAfee tweeted back that "No. My time requirements as chairman are minimal."

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    1. My buddy used to run the ballroom business there.

      its a Steve Wynn hotel. When he hired my buddy, part of the pay package was “a speedboat”. something to use on the weekends, that is, not a keeper.

      1. That’s a long ride to Belize. There has to be an easier way to run coke.

      2. Was just there 2 weeks ago for our 10th anniversary. Thought it was a nice place, regardless of what Free Bacon thinks.

        1. I was invited down on multiple occasions but never took him up, sadly. He was there in… ..the late 1990s? Early after the place opened. In fact i think he was hired before it opened and only worked there 2 years then moved on elsewhere. He didn’t like the weather.

          1. Hmmm. I found the weather awesome, but it’s not hard to sway me after all these years of North Texas weather.

            That said, I’m sure any kind of hospitality gig (well, the kind where the owner hires you) would be an improvement from Biloxi.

            1. I’m sure any kind of hospitality gig (well, the kind where the owner hires you) would be an improvement from Biloxi.

              He now owns/runs a hotel in Saratoga NY. I think Yankee-bred people prefer ‘Seasons’. It could also have been a cultural-mismatch. He’s half-british, half New Yawker. I think he dug drinking beer and fishing on the speedboat on the weekends, but it got old quick.

            2. Hospitality is fickle.

              My sister was the administrator for the new (at the time) casino in Columbus. She skipped out after about 18 months.

              1. I also suspect that “Casinos” are not necessarily the part of the hospitality industry everyone is just *dying* to work in. I mean, yes, there are probably plenty of plum gigs, but its a culture which may not be ideal for everyone.

          2. Biloxi weather is nice in the winter. Hot and humid Summers begin early before developing into carnage and catasrophe.

    2. I am glad to see my former-favorite in the LP is highlighted in that story =

      {a question for Johnson} “”By running for the Libertarian Party candidacy again, are you not holding back the Libertarian Party?”””

      It turned out that this was Derrick Michael Reid, one of the governor’s fellow candidates.

      When I approached him after Johnson left the stage, Reid was very short with me. When I mentioned the example of Nixon, who went on to win two general elections after a bad loss in 1960, he told me that I was missing the point?namely that Johnson was preventing him from obtaining the nomination, the only thing standing between him and winning all 50 states and 90 percent of the popular vote. “You may not realize that I am an engineer, a lawyer, a military scientist, a bullion banking finance market analyst, and a geopolitical analyst.” Donald Trump, he said, plagiarized “Make America Great Again” from him.
      ….
      When I returned at 6:45 p.m. to the Camellia Ballroom and sat down at a front-row table, a woman came by and handed me five plastic gold coins emblazoned with a skull and crossbones.

      “They will be explained later,” she said mysteriously.

      Really, the author of this story wasted a real opportunity to do a lot of drugs and go full Hunter Thompson. It feels like its missing something. Instead of being a hilarious romp, its just sort of pathetic and depressing.

      1. Well, I’m depressed.

        I skimmed toward the end. Were the gold coins explained later?

        1. After one hour of debate, he said, there would be a 15-minute break, during which we were supposed to put our coins in the baskets of the best candidates. The five people with the most gold in their bins would go on to a second round.

          1. I wasn’t sure how they could possibly make the DNC and GOP debates seem more credible, but by God they managed.

      2. I am glad to see my former-favorite in the LP is highlighted in that story

        I gotta ask….”favorite” as in a grab-some-popcorn-for-this-spectacle, or, more like I’m-gonna-work-on-his-campaign? (why not both, right?)

        Because this:

        “You may not realize that I am an engineer, a lawyer, a military scientist, a bullion banking finance market analyst, and a geopolitical analyst.”

        is about all I myself could handle of the guy*.

        *still better than most candidates out there

        1. Popcorn (*and acid)

          Side note = people who refer to their “Accreditation” as some kind of de-facto proof of their inherent credibility are invariably lunatic-morons.

          The author illustrated that point with this exchange

          “You study geopolitical analysis?”

          “Of course, of course!” Reid said with a manic Jerry Lewis-in-The Nutty Professor sort of expression.

          The guy started talking about how he has spent the last four years studying global currency markets. He said that he knows more about them than his idiotic rich brother-in-law in Connecticut.

          “I’m pretty nutty, but I’m pretty intelligent.”

          He asked Reid where he was staying.

          “At the airport,” Reid said. “I don’t have the money.”

          1. Yup!

            to my discredit, once I hit this part:

            he told me that I was missing the point?namely that Johnson was preventing him from obtaining the nomination, the only thing standing between him and winning all 50 states and 90 percent of the popular vote.

            I immediately went to “scan mode”, and skipped over much of his part of the article.

          2. Hey, GILMORE! Off-topic, but… *COUGH*

            1. Still bullshit, sorry.

              You never seemed to digest any of the points i made in the beginning, which is that “Year over Year” crime trends in individual locations are themselves statistically meaningless in the context of a 20year crime-decline; there’s absolutely zero way to claim ANY “Cause” because there’s no ‘trend’ yet. Its just 2 years of data. Two points in time are not a trend.

              Additionally, claiming “X leads to Y” requires some validation. Why does the claimed “cause” only achieve its “effect” in certain places but not others? The need to focus on St Louis & Baltimore is retarded because these are places that have had super-high crime rates for decades while the rest of the country has mellowed. Trying to pin their problems on some new, isolated causes is retarded.

              BTW, the claimed, “Ferguson Effect” keeps changing in these articles from “police are afraid to enforce laws because of viral videos” to “protests are encouraging the killing of police”

              Which one are you claiming is being proved ‘real’, again?

            2. Further, i want you to think about something, re: the way journos use data which is unbelievably misleading =

              they tend to be super-focused on things like short-term “rate of change” relative to (arbitrary base year)

              …rather than looking at where the base year & newer, “epidemic” levels compare to long term averages.

              In all these cases of so-called ‘epidemics’, they almost always pick a starting year which represented a anomalous low-point…

              …and then suggest the “exponential rise” that followed it was somehow “Weird!” or “Unexplained!” and clearly MUST be caused by some [insert random bullshit thing they’re trying to promote]

              when in fact what the data really shows is natural year-to-year variability within historically extraordinarily-low-ranges.

              IOW….ANY change to homicide rates in america will seem like “Spikes”. Because look at homicide rates in US cities (see the chart in the middle)

              we’re at 1960s-level murder rates around the country.

              A 2 year shift up in *a few places*? which moves ‘early 60s’ type crime levels to ‘late 60s’ crime levels? Is significant of NOTHING. Its still “very very very low” by any objective measure.

              Trying to claim that these otherwise-insignificant moves in crime rates are somehow “caused” by some completely novel factor? feels appealing, means nothing. Its speculation to further a narrative.

  1. My parents are freaking 71 years old and without any mention from me told me they were voting for Gary Johnson because the others are a mess. Not sure if he doesn’t get the nod, but his name is already getting around

    1. A few weeks ago I sent my parents to the iside with site. Dad’s pretty libertarian, asked for websites.
      Mom said if bernie doesn’t get it, GJ is closest to her. So that’s nice.

  2. Give it a few months. We will be crazy kooks again, tinfoil wearing drama queens, who won’t stop talking about monetary policy

    1. That would be the best case scenario, because it would mean they’re afraid you’d affect the race.

  3. Has there been a goalie who has been injured more times than Ben Bishop?

    Holy Mackerel.

    1. Jason from “Friday the 13th”? He took a lotta whacks….

      1. I think Jason was a trans-goalie, he didn’t actually play for a real team, he just dressed up as a goalie.

        1. OT, but I was flipping through the channels earlier, and in honor of Friday the 13th syfy was showing a marathon of that classic 80s slasher franchise, A Nightmare on Elm Street.

          Also Elm St. 2 is probably the gayest movie ever made, excluding gay porn.

            1. Elm St 2 is gayer than that.

              When I call it a gay movie, I don’t mean it as an insult. I mean it like Brokeback Mountain is a gay movie. Trainspotting is a heroin movie. It’s just obvious that whoever wrote the movie was obviously dealing with their homosexuality in a really weird horror movie way.

              1. Top Gun-level-gay?

                1. HEY!

                  Have I mentioned they are making Top Gun 2?

              2. I like the part where the protagonist is with his alleged girlfriend, then he decides “nope, I’m not into this” and leaves the pool party to go spend the night in his buddy’s bedroom.

                Then there’s Kuato from Total Recall as the creepy gym teacher. Who gets attacked by balls in his office. And whipped in the shower.

                Yup, gayest movie I’ve ever seen.

      2. /narrows gaze.

      3. From Corey Feldman no less. It’s a sad state of affairs when your serial killing is stopped in its tracks by a child version of Corey Feldman.

        1. Corey Feldman took down Jason, Shredder, and a young vampire Jack Bauer. There was only one demon he couldn’t defeat, 80’s hair.

  4. I like the fact that of the leading LP candidates, the prolife guy – Petersen – also happens to have business experience and not be either (a) the defendant in a wrongful death case or (b) a fan of compulsory nazi cakes.

    1. I admit that Petersen has that politician vibe which isn’t going to stand him in good stead with libertarians, or Americans in general.

      1. I don’t think so. Soundbites are needed today. Not looking “crazy” sure gets some people off that fence. While I wish our candidates talked in a Ron Paul way (routing most answers to a preferred point), it’s not needed. We have big thinkers and writers and philosophers. They don’t need to be busy running a country. We need people who can read that work, and use it appropriately.

        1. OK, then, maybe I was overly influenced by the commentary at H&R about him sounding like Rubio or whatever.

          1. Petersen is a tool. He’s an Internet troll with no record of success in ANYTHING. he has no original thoughts or ideas for getting anything done. He’s bombast. He’s pro life and pro military intervention.

            1. The Internet Troll Anti-Defamation League is going to make so many sarcastic rejoinders to your post…

            2. Pro military intervention is not libertarian. Pro life is perfectly compatible with libertarianism. I myself am pro choice, but the reasons people are pro life usually have to do with the rights of the unborn.

  5. I may vote Libertarian this year instead of for myself. We’ll see when the time comes.

    1. What?! You’ve suspended your campaign?
      Noooooi

      1. Thank goodness! Now I don’t have to vote.

  6. Meanwhile, in Los Angeles…

    “[Steve] Hill is a Democrat running for the state Senate in California’s 21st district, and probably the only candidate in the country who embraces both atheism and the tenets of modern-day Satanism. But Hill, who ran unsuccessfully as a write-in candidate last year during a special election, said this year he’s getting shunned by the Democratic establishment largely because of views the party believes are too extreme….

    “Hill, who also works as a stand-up comedian in Los Angeles, is currently helping organize an L.A. chapter for the Satanic Temple, a nationwide Satanic activist organization. Hill said he identifies with the temp”le’s mission, which he described as a “humanist approach that raises levels of consciousness.”

    (autoplay video)

    1. Which raises the question: Which “extreme” views of his alienate the Democratic Party? Is he prolife? Pro school vouchers? The article doesn’t say.

  7. Can I safely answer ‘No,’ or should I read the article and then say ‘No’?

    1. What do you you care about elections, Len, you’re dead. Did you get buried in Chicago or something?

    2. It’s a headline that ends with a question mark, so the answer is always no.

      Even if the Libertarian party quadrupled the number of votes it got at it’s historic peak,it would pull in maybe 4.5% of the vote.

      1. What if it got, like, 69X the number of votes? How would it do then?

        1. I don’t know, how I would deal with a libertarian candidate winning the White House. I would assume the Cubs would win the world series, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

    1. Your middle name debbie?

      1. According to a stupid card issued by the City of New York, my middle initial is M1. I am ready for the robot apocalypse.

        1. Meaning the Garand, the money supply, or the motorway?

  8. Owner of New York themed pizza establishment seems to be reconsidering his decision to name one of his products Ground Zero Deep Dish: “I don’t want anybody to take it the wrong way, so that’s why I’m probably going to change it.”

    1. Triangle Shirtwaist Neapolitan really rolls off the tongue.

      It would also sell like a house on fire. Oh.

    2. Are you saying deep dish pizza is the best pizza?

    1. Page not found.

      It’s a mystery.

    2. “We need Mussolini-lite! Say Amtrak, WMATA riders.”

    1. Lincoln gives the impression he was a prolific drooler.

    2. Scott Brown says: “Damn!”

  9. “Governor Johnson gets most of his money from special interests and the marijuana industry,” said Petersen, as he drove to western Pennsylvania for a fundraiser. “I’m trying to create a grown-up movement.”

    So which other rights will Petersen ignores for being insufficiently “grown up” to be worthy of defending?

  10. A couple of weeks ago McAfee was vaguely talking about some dirt he may have on Johnson, did anything ever come of that?

    1. I think McAfee said he’d like to put dirt *on* Gary Johnson.

  11. On his program today, Medved referred to Johnson as LP’s apparent nominee. To a phoner-in, Johnson explained his bakery position by saying that, given the choice between the business owner’s being put upon by having to serve certain customers with certain business, and the potential customer’s vexation at being refused the business, Johnson would rather the business owner bear the unpleasantness.

    1. (a) Didn’t Medved refer to Libertarians as “losertarians”

      and

      (b) Is the LP actually going to nominate a cake nazi?

      1. (a) Not this time. Usually, yes. He went out of his way to explain that this time, it’s different.

      2. To point (b)…..can we team the Cake Nazi with the Soup Nazi? If so, hilarity will ensue!

        1. No vote for you!

      3. (a) At least he hasn’t cranked it up to “libertardians”. Yet.

        (b) What did you really expect? At least this one doesn’t have blue skin.

          1. Fucking Na’vi making us look crazy.

    2. Johnson would rather the business owner bear the unpleasantness.

      He, himself, can rather all he wants.

      As a power-seeker, he can shut the hell up. And, I like the guy.

      1. It does make me wonder, though, how he understands the concept of negative liberty. Does he see anti-discrimination edicts as a worthy exception to, or part & parcel of, freedom? The former wouldn’t bother me as much as the latter.

        Or does he just see his duty as a politician as continuing to aver something he was backed into saying once, rather than ever admitting error?

        1. Good questions, all.

          But, this issue seems to be the only one that he departs from principle on, so far as I’ve seen. He’s clearly wrong, but I’ll cut the guy some slack. He’s best positioned to help the cause, I believe, more so than the others. He has my support.

    3. oh gosh, the potential customer could feel unpleasantness? I never thought about it that way, well of course they should be able to force others to serve them, then.

  12. Nearly 1300 habitable planets found.

    http://www.nasa.gov/press-rele…..discovered

      1. Cutter John and the gang already claimed the Planet of Tipsy Stewardesses.

        1. + 1 Dandelion Party

    1. By habitable, do you mean they exist? Because:

      In the newly-validated batch of planets, nearly 550 could be rocky planets like Earth, based on their size. Nine of these orbit in their sun’s habitable zone, which is the distance from a star where orbiting planets can have surface temperatures that allow liquid water to pool. With the addition of these nine, 21 exoplanets now are known to be members of this exclusive group.

      1. Remind me to refresh before I post….

      2. There’s also other factors, such as frequency of deep impact events. It’s entirely possible Earth’s position in the solar system with respect to Jupiter has greatly reduced the number of impact events, allowing life to develop without getting wiped out.

        1. Deep impacts, magnetic field, presence of a large moon that creates tidal forces, axial tilt, ellipticity of orbit, period of orbit, period of revolution, etc.

          We have no freaking clue what “habitable” means, but it makes a good headline.

          1. I would take it as meaning prime real estate for sale, see Earth agent here.

      3. 21 Earth-sized rocky planets that are neither too cold to be frozen over or too hot to be boiling over means …

        Anywhere from zero to 21 planets that might be habitable … eventually.

        Land on it and breathe the air and walk naked on it and not quickly die in some nasty way … prolly about 0 out of 21.

        1. Libertarians are such Debbie Downers.

        2. Yeah, by astronomer standards, Mars and Venus are ‘inhabitable’. Some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn might be ‘inhabitable’ also.

          1. What about Uranus?

          2. Think of them as fixer-uppers. 😛

    2. Well, 1300 planets, yes. Habitable? Not so much…

      In the newly-validated batch of planets, nearly 550 could be rocky planets like Earth, based on their size. Nine of these orbit in their sun’s habitable zone, which is the distance from a star where orbiting planets can have surface temperatures that allow liquid water to pool. With the addition of these nine, 21 exoplanets now are known to be members of this exclusive group.

    3. Just want to make clear I used, perhaps aloofly, ‘habitable’ because I heard a scientist on the story use it.

    1. Would’ve been cool if he’d fallen on a bayonet.

      1. I guess I posted this in hope it would attract the kind of tasteless comments I don’t have the guts to make.

        But anyway, RIP.

      1. Fun fact:

        Three popular songs* can be played with the trombone’s slide locked into first position. Call (to the Races) , Reveille and Taps.

        Convenient, lemme tell ya.

        *Well, they ain’t Gangnam Style, but most folks have heard them.

    2. I was going to comment on how I didn’t even know there were any Civil War battlefields in Michigan, and then I saw this gem:

      McGarry suffered a heart attack on a tour of the Vicksburg, Mississippi battlefield with a friend, according to his wife, Susan McGarry. He was 63.
      Several Civil War battles took place in the Vicksburg area, she said.

      Really? “she said” – and you can’t even be arsed to Google that to see if she’s talking nonsense? What sort of reporter lets that sort of claim just slide by with a “she said”? I mean, “Vicksburg is the site of several Civil War battles” is a pretty strong claim, can’t you at least verify for your readers whether or not such a statement is true or even merely plausible? Sheesh, journalistic standards sure have fallen since my day.

      1. I didn’t even know there were any Civil War battlefields in Michigan

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
        The war between the states!

  13. Libertarians need Mark Cuban of someone just like him.

    Not a fucking old weird goldbug or some Aborto-Freak or — Gawd forbid some Paleo-Con.

    1. Do you come with a prog-ese to English dictionary?

      1. Shorter shreek: Herp da derp derp Boooooooooosh

      2. Do a few lines. You’ll understand.

        1. “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool”

          “Small things make base men proud”

          “Some rise by sin, and some by virtue fall”

          Holy shit, you’re right!

  14. What the hell is that smell?

    1. I’ve been keeping soft cheese in my crotch carry-all.

      1. That was so disgusting I just barfed up half my body mass.

        1. If you have an faster, more convenient way to bring a wheel of Brie up to room temperature, please let us know, Mr. Rumbly-Tummy!

          1. The wheel in my thighs keeps on churning.

            1. *projectile vomit*

  15. A video displaying the vast differences between Hillary and Donald.

    http://heatst.com/politics/clu…..ald-video/

  16. maybe this is the year for the Libertarian Party to shine

    Yep. It’s the Year of the Linux Desktop, as well.

  17. Gary Johnson’s advantage is his appeal to the disaffected establishment Republicans. He’s the Jeb! Bush of the Libertarian Party.

    1. Jeb! Gold at @$600!

  18. The last text you sent is your presidential campaign slogan.

    Apparently I’ll be ending each of my speeches with: “They close at 2:30. So hurry.”

    1. “Sorta in the mood for China buffet if u want to go later.”

      TNP 2016!

  19. The raised minimum wage does not cost jobs, as anyone who checks employment just after the enforcement of a national $15/hr M/W can tell:

    “Wendy’s to roll out self-service kiosks nationwide”
    http://www.sfgate.com/business…..467867.php

    Yep, those who run businesses don’t wait to have their pockets picked; they move the wallet before hand.

    1. And then there’s this.

      You could set up a building full of people anywhere in the world and have them do whatever work is needed.

      You would only incur sweatshop costs for work being done in the US. And you can design your facility to maximize production without having to design around the human form.

      Of course lag might be a problem…

      1. What are ‘sweatshop costs’?

        1. Whatever your all-in costs are for employing third-worlders to produce for you. Such as paying someone 50 cents a day or whatever plus whatever other costs there are.

          Not doing that myself I don’t know what the actual costs are but I assume they are a substantial savings from hiring locals to do the same work.

          1. __Warren__|5.14.16 @ 12:34AM|#
            “Whatever your all-in costs are for employing third-worlders to produce for you. Such as paying someone 50 cents a day or whatever plus whatever other costs there are.”

            IOWs, paying the market rate for production?
            Fuck off, slaver. I hope you have to learn a new job rather than rely on some protectionist government for your welfare.

            1. Are you drunk?

              1. No.
                Why should ‘locals’ be paid more than what the world market rate to produce something? Are you drunk? Stoned?

                1. Why should ‘locals’ be paid more than what the world market rate to produce something?

                  Can you show me where I said that?

                  Or maybe you enrolled in John’s mind-reading class?

            2. Well, that went South pretty quickly.

            3. Might want to read that again, Sevo.

              1. “Might want to read that again, Sevo.”
                Read this?

                “Whatever your all-in costs are for employing third-worlders to produce for you. Such as paying someone 50 cents a day or whatever plus whatever other costs there are.”

                I can read that 50 times and see the gripe is something regarding ‘3rd world’ workers out-competing Warren for his job. You know, those ‘locals’ who should be paid more than ‘sweatshop’ costs for doing the same job.
                If I missed something. please let me know. Don’t see it.

                1. Did you go to his link? I think he was saying you could pay cheap labor rates abroad to do work in the US remotely with a “telepresence robot”.

                  I think it’s a great idea.

                  I think you misunderstood him, Sevo.

                2. Yeah, you missed it entirely but that’s your problem.

                  1. Don;t blame Sevo. Blame the libertarian establishment for shitty marketing..

                    Let’s say Wal-Mart gets all their goods at, hell. TWO cents per hour.
                    So a low-income Wal-Mart shopper saves, say, 50 bucks per week.
                    Where does that 50 bucks go, Sevo? In a mattress, a hole in the backyard?
                    Or …. DOES IT BUY SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE EXIST???
                    Now does that “something” spring up like a weed?
                    Or do one or more jobs exist that would not otherwise?

                    One COULD assume this leads to an entire country of low-wage workers.
                    And it probably would, if everyone shopped Wal-Mart, for the lowest price alone.
                    Why don’t they now?

                    This is just another version of how productivity growth make everyone richer, while Sevo and the Luddites destroy cotton gins.

                    See, before people can OWN more stuff … people must MAKE more stuff!!!!
                    But productivity is secondary. It’s the low prices ALONE which allowed that Wal-Mart shopper to own more stuff. It works throughout the economy, different ways at different income levels.
                    Thar’s why Trump will FUCK low income Americans. (like Obama fucks low-income blacks)
                    Any questions?

                    1. I’m truly impressed! A diatribe not involving a Paul family member. Good job Michael!

                    2. It was fiscal, not social. Also NOT by the libertarian establishment. 🙂

                  2. __Warren__|5.14.16 @ 1:23AM|#
                    “Yeah, you missed it entirely but that’s your problem.”

                    You are correct; I apologize for my lack of understanding. And jumping on you as a result.

    2. The raised minimum wage does not cost jobs, as anyone who checks employment just after the enforcement of a national $15/hr M/W can tell:

      How about grade-school math.
      But first, the last minimum-wage increase was followed by an immediate recession.
      There was no increase during the Reagan years. but also major declines in poverty, especially for blacks. See it’s BOOMS that increase demand, not stimulus. REAL prosperity. Now the math.

      Consider McDonalds. Forced to increase their starting wage by 50% They increase prices.
      By definition. they sell fewer hamburgers, so need fewer workers. Layoffs.
      Or their customers reduce purchases elsewhere to keep all their Bic Macs and fries. “Elsewhere” suffers layoffs.

      You might snarl, they can absorb the costs. But by opening fewer stores in the future … or by cutting dividends to shareholders, most of which are …. pension funds (also screwing workers!)

      Some studies say minor job losses are offset by net gains for remaining workers. All the lost jobs are … young black males. So who gives a shit about them? Even unions have been throwing even their own workers under the bus for decades.

    3. Coincidentally, I went to Target and Chase in Santa Clara for the first time in about a month, and both had self-service kiosks. In fact, there was only one space for a human teller at Chase, the rest were replaced by kiosks.

    1. The author also has a book about how so many professors are progs.

      I wonder if he mentions that there’s more leftists in academically-rigorous professorships like women’s studies and sociology than in gut courses like engineering and economics.

      /sarc

  20. Why should ‘locals’ be paid more than what the world market rate to produce something?

    Can you show me where I said that?

    Or maybe you enrolled in John’s mind-reading class?

    1. Ahh, hit the wrong reply button.

      1. Warren,
        See apology above; Mea culpa.

  21. OT: So, in my work travels this week I had to do a job in the Mission. We knocked on one particular apartment to get in. After two minutes a guy in his mid forties or so came to the door looking disheveled. He complained that we woke him up. It was about 930 in the am. He wore a shirt with a ski masked individual on it along with ‘resist gentrification’ in black cursive script. After five minutes of delaying he let us in. There was a large wall and table that was a shrine to extreme leftism. Every possible lefty cause was represented. There were even pamphlets and newsletters and such. One particular one that was just under the Freedom for Palestine banner and to the right of the Housing Now! caught my attention. It was in English and Spanish and was encouraging people to vandalize expensive vehicles in the city. It had the standard ways to mess with a car, breaking lights, windows, etc., and the classic putting water in the gas tank but also recommended taking sharp instruments to radiator panels. I had never thought of that before. As finished what I had to do and got out of there marveling at the ability of humans to be so jealous of other people’s success and luck.

    1. A shame you have nothing to offer him, or to anyone like him.

  22. Man, I’m drunk and half asleep watching What’s My Line from like 1960. Sponsored by Stopette, and the spokeslady asks “how many deodorants are on there market?” She says 100. This is like 1960. Fuck you Bernie. 100 deodorants; 55 years ago.

    1. And were there starving children in 1960? Thought so. Feel the Bern.

      1. Yes there were starving children in 1960. The economy was so terrible that even my father, a factory foreman, was laid of . Until Kennedy repealed the New Deal tax rates that were destroying us .

        Progressive bullshitters say we has a postwar boom at 91% tax rates, We actually had five back-to-back recessions in a mere 12 years, 1945-1957.

        JFK’s first SOTU describes how that recession had not fully recovered yet (1961) Record high unemployment and bankruptcies. We had collapsed from the only industrial base on earth to “among the last” in economic growth.

        There was no way he’d propose a stimulus, since the largest public works project since the pyramids — Interstate Highways — was launched one year before the worst of those 5 recessions (1956). ANOTHER massive failure of Keynesian stimulus!

        You know the Depression was over when FDR took office, right? Before a dime of stimulus spending? Right?
        You’re not just another misguided Bernie troll, right?

        1. That was an interesting historical anecdote that I enjoyed. More of these please.

          1. Umm, Reason publishes bullshit on the mythical postwar boom.
            In the rightwing version, the boom defied massive postwar spending cuts.
            In the leftwing version, the boom defied 91% tax rates.
            See it?

            Both are true — massive spending cuts AND 91% tax rates. NOW do you see it?
            Dumbass liberals say we had a boom … with massive spending cuts.
            Dumbass conservatives/libertarians say we had a boom… with 91% tax rates.
            The political class is ALL fraud, including the libertarian establishment (Cato/Reason/Mercatur)

            Reason’s report on the postwar years is totally shameful.

            https://reason.com/archives/201…..appen-here

            Claims massive spending cuts did not hurt the economy Sole “proof” is that GDP increased from 1945-1947. Why only those years? (laughing) wait for it …

            1945 had a RECESSION. So GDP increased after a recession! (gasp)

            Even worse … wait for it …
            1948 began first of four back-to-back recessions in only 11 years. (1947-1958 !!!!!

            http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

            Tribal bullshit. Not just the red and blue teams, suckers.

            Goobers lap it up, programmed to ridicule the lies by Progs and the MSM.
            The entire political class is fucked up. That postwar lie came from Mercatur, published by Reason.
            Same Reason piece bullshits Canada.

            Which is WHY libertarianism (the ideology) is rejected by 91% of libertarians

            Let the screeching begin.

            1. Let the screeching begin.

              The irony, it is staggering.

              1. Let the screeching begin.

                The irony, it is staggering.

                TOLD YA!!!
                The screecher also denies absolute, documented proof that he requested!
                That’s how his type operates

    2. Ah, but how many sneakers were on the market? Probably didn’t even sponsor What’s My Line?. Plenty deodorants in 1960 (Mum was already like a century old), not so much variety in sneakers. Only kids, a few disabled people, and people playing tennis?& that was before the tennis boom, so not many of those.

  23. Gary has the messaging skills to convey liberty to voters, but he’s pro-liberty libertarian in a movement captured by anti-government libs. Gary’s no crazy enough.

    Worse, the anti-gummint takeover means not a single libertarian policy proposal makes sense – anti-gummint venom for the choir. Thus. a Cato survey showing libertarianism (the ideology) is rejected by 91% of libertarians (the principles)
    .
    The so-called movement promotes libertarianism for itself instead of a free society for everyone. So it fails, massively.

    ?In a libertarian society, we all live in gated communities with private police forces and competing court systems. John Galt’s statue stands in every town square.

    ?In a free society, Galt’s Gulch exists next to a Marxist commune ? lesbians up the street from a community of Christian Fundies ?. retired Catholic priests across the field from Wiccans. Each community is voluntary. And that statue would be Voltaire, inscribed: “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

    Most fucked up are anarcho-libs, thanks to Rothbard. What’s the best way to live in anarchy?
    1) Destroy government in America?
    2) Evolve to autonomous communities like I described above. DUH.

    Anti-gubs don’t give a shit about liberty because, like Rothbard , theirs is the ONLY liberty. Conformity is liberty. Freedom is slavery. Orwell’s Newspeak.

    1. “And that statue would be Voltaire, inscribed: “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.””

      That should be a statue of Evelyn Beatrice Hall, since the quote is from her, not Voltaire.

      1. She’s the model for Alfred-Pierre Agache’s painting “The Sword – she’s *way* hotter than Voltaire.

        1. she’s *way* hotter than Voltaire

          Should I have used Dagny Taggart instead of John Galt?

      2. If that was for a college exam, I might have credited it to S. G. Tallentyre also.

        She used that to describe Voltaire’s beliefs in The Friends of Voltaire.
        But since that’s from a published political piece, and because “nobody” ever heard of her, the impact would have been severely damaged despite using the most-cited description of “pure” Freedom of Speech.
        And it would have also destroyed the analogy comparing with John Galt.

        Are the words an accurate depiction of Voltaire’s beliefs?

        1. “I might have credited it to S. G. Tallentyre also.”

          “S. G. Tallentyre” was Evelyn Beatrice Hall’s pseudonym.

          I give you a hard time because you are in the habit of mocking other people for alleged ignorance.

          “Physician, heal thyself,” as Abraham Lincoln once put it.

          (The Abraham Lincoln reference was a joke)

          1. “S. G. Tallentyre” was Evelyn Beatrice Hall’s pseudonym.

            That’s why I said it, chump. (laughing)

            I give you a hard time because you are in the habit of mocking other people for alleged ignorance.

            Like I’m ridiculing THIS fuckup? (OMG)

            “Physician, heal thyself,” as Abraham Lincoln once put it.

            (snicker) Did you see how I honored YOUR question with a detailed reply … and you STILL launch aggression? WHOOOOOSH right over your head.

            (My tone is in self-defense of yet more aggression by yet another thug ,… in response to my polite and detailed answer. I this documented a bellowing blowhards)

            1. Let the screeching begin.

              1. (Pompey has requested additional historical data. This is how we are being brainwashed by BOTH the left and right))

                Umm, Reason publishes bullshit on the mythical postwar boom.
                In the rightwing version, the boom defied massive postwar spending cuts.
                In the leftwing version, the boom defied 91% tax rates.
                See it?

                Both are true — massive spending cuts AND 91% tax rates. NOW do you see it?
                Dumbass liberals say we had a boom … with massive spending cuts.
                Dumbass conservatives/libertarians say we had a boom… with 91% tax rates.

                The political class is ALL fraud, including the libertarian establishment (Cato/Reason/Mercatur)

                Reason’s report on the postwar years is totally shameful. See for yourself)

                https://reason.com/archives/201…..appen-here

                Claims massive spending cuts did not hurt the economy Sole “proof” is that GDP increased from 1945-1947. Why only those years? (laughing) wait for it …

                1945 had a RECESSION. So GDP increased after a recession! (gasp)

                Even worse … wait for it …
                1948 began first of four back-to-back recessions in only 11 years. (1947-1958 !!!!!

                http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

                Tribal goobers lap it up, EAGER to be brainwashed. The entire political class is fucked up. That postwar lie came from Mercatur, published by Reason.
                The same Reason piece bullshits Canada.

                This WHY libertarianism (the ideology) is rejected by 91% of libertarians (per Cato)

                Howzat, Pompey?

    2. Oye, still with this 91% thing.

      1. Oye, still with this 91% thing.

        (laughing) I doubled down on it, showing WHY libertarianism (the ideology) is rejected by 91% of libertarians (the principles)

        https://reason.com/blog/2016/05…..nt_6123678

        That was in response to YOUR request for more historical facts!
        When you described actual history as an “anecdote.”
        So glad you asked.

        1. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

          1. Pompey publicly humiliated. This is what HE requested:

            Reason publishes bullshit on the mythical postwar boom.
            In the rightwing version, the boom defied massive postwar spending cuts.
            In the leftwing version, the boom defied 91% tax rates.
            See it?
            Both true — massive spending cuts AND 91% tax rates. NOW do you see it?

            Dumbass liberals say we had a boom … with massive spending cuts.
            Dumbass conservatives/libertarians say we had a boom… with 91% tax rates.
            The political class is ALL fraud, including the libertarian establishment (Cato/Reason/Mercatur)

            Reason’s lies on the postwar years:.

            https://reason.com/archives/201…..appen-here

            Claims massive spending cuts did not hurt the economy Sole “proof” is that GDP increased from 1945-1947. Why only those years? wait for it …

            1945 had a RECESSION. So GDP increased after a recession! (gasp)
            And … wait for it … 1948 began first of four back-to-back recessions in only 12 years. (1948-1960)
            Cherry-picking much?

            http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

            Reason lies about it. Pompey swallows it and BLAMES ME for HIS brainwashing! (OMG)

            The entire political class is fucked up. That postwar lie came from Mercatur, published by Reason.
            Same Reason piece bullshits Canada.

            Which is WHY libertarianism (the ideology) is rejected by 91% of libertarians (per Cato)

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

            He doesn’t like proof!!

            (my tone is in self-defense of repeated aggression by a cyber-bully)

    3. I agree that pro-freedom is a lot better for the libertarian movement than an anti-gov’t orient’n, but on Medved’s show, at least, Johnson parroted “small gov’t” (that phrase) an awful lot instead of selling specific positive benefits. Even if I were mostly anti-gov’t in orient’n, I’d want something more specific than that slogan.

      How about picking some examples of stuff that either doesn’t get done or is seriously held down that would get done if your ideas were in force? Esp., if you’re running for prez, that would be within the power of the admin. to allow to happen? Like, for instance, the life-saving or life-enhancing drugs that could be marketed?not just pot, but other examples? Doesn’t take much research to dig up a few.

      1. , Johnson parroted “small gov’t” (that phrase) an awful lot instead of selling specific positive benefits

        That’s all the movement has, slogans, NO credible policies

        How about picking some examples of stuff that either doesn’t get done or is seriously held down that would get done if your ideas were in force

        I’ve been doing that for over 20 years — starting with a detailed submission to the Journal that the original flat tax they published, Dick Armey’s, is bullshit. Then documented EVERY “conservative” tax plan as Tax Quackery.

        Cato’s MaxTax, by tax guru StepHen Moore … CONFUSES TAXABLE INCOME WITH GROSS INCOME!!!! See “Taxes” on the index page

        I published it myself, because the conservative or libertarian media wouldn’t publish, even 100% documented by original sources of their bullshit.

        My tribalism took this long to see the libertarian establishment is just as corrupt — competing for donors with the GOP. So I’m sending it to the Kochs with a platform for Gary. They should walk away from the rest of the establishment and START uniting LIBERTARIANS.

        The campaign goals are:
        ? Solid policies for both jobs and health care.
        ? Target entire top half of the Nolan Chart
        ? Emphasize Outreach and Persuasion. (enrich your life)
        ? Overcome severe obstacles to Libertarian Brand
        ? Aim higher, much higher. (Restructure federal government)

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  25. I can’t believe the writer wasted so much time on this article. The Libertarian Party will be a nonfactor in this election just the same as ever. They are irrelevant.

    1. The Libertarian Party will be a nonfactor in this election just the same as ever.

      Whenever have both major party candidates had negative approval ratings?
      How often would as little as 34% win the popular vote?
      How often has the 3rd party candidate been the ONLY one with executive experience (governor), in a state dominated by his opposing party?

      Only problem: not a single credible policy proposal to run on.

  26. “Can it take the ball and run?” No, but I will say it won’t be 100% their fault. Yesterday I called in to Dennis Prager’s show to ask him if there would ever be a situation were he wouldn’t vote for the Republican candidate, given his constant talk about how Trump should not be the nominee but come November he’ll vote for him anyway because Hillary. When I asked if he’d consider voting for the Libertarian candidate, his response was essentially because of the foreign policy views of libertarians he could never vote for them. I would bet this is the case for many anti-Trump Republicans/Conservatives. Libertarians are “crazy” on foreign policy since they don’t believe in constant military interventions everywhere, so Mr. anti-free trade, pro-eminent domain, New York Progressive Trump is preferable, apparently.

    1. But Trump is for less military intervention than almost all the other contenders were.

      1. But Trump is for less military intervention than almost all the other contenders were.

        But ALSO wants to “rebuild” our military!!

    2. Oh, I heard that call. Prager comes on before Medved on WNYM. I’m listening to them again after a long time not, because of Windows trouble the past week that’s been keeping me from streaming WFMU.

    3. Prager is among THE most disgusting social conservatives.

      Non-intervention is another stupid policy. Sit on our asses waiting to be attacked. NeoCons are big on pre-emptive war. What of pre-emptive PEACE. Ignore the UN for that. Lead a worldwide coalition that are ALL allies, are required to maintain a large enough military to DEFEND EACH OTHER from attack.

      They also must abandon nukes. INCLUDING ISRAEL. The alliance will defend EITHER Israel or Arab/Muslim countries from attack. Either. We oppose aggression so stop taking sides.

      We now pledge our military might to keep Israel the ONLY nuclear power in the area. So ISIS says, “if nobody else is allowed nukes, why does Israel NEED them … except for more aggression?” DUH

      You can’t replace something with nothing. This would SEVERELY reduce our military spending, AND get us away from subsidizing the world’s defense. A mutual defense pact with very sharp teeth.

      1. “Sit on our asses waiting to be attacked.”

        No, build a wildly sucessful capitalist society then export it. Improve everyone’s life and the support for terrorism will fade. The answer to terrorism as every other problem is simple, capitalism.

        1. The problem with repeating memorized talking points.
          Do we export it against their will?
          Why haven’t they adopted it already?
          My way can be done next year. Yours, how long and how?
          How do we do that here with absolutely no policy proposals?
          “Git gummint out” is not a policy

          You do realize we can’t do a damn thing until we elect a whole bunch of people.
          So what are the two most critical policies solutions you’d stress to convince voters.
          In governance, capitalism is an end game not a solution.

          Ayn Rand said that “voluntary taxation” ( what it was called back then) would be the last step, not the first step toward a free society. The last reform, not the first, to pursue. First, in effect, we must change the culture. Today, in public opinion (culture) we LOSE on EVERY major issue — partly because,again, ignorance of what’s happening today makes it hard to achieve anything tomorrow.

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    1. FUCK BRANDING. A GENUINE POLICY., NO MORE BULLSHIT, WINS.

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