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Harry Potter and the Pointless Outrage: J.K. Rowling Accused of Appropriating Native American Culture

Want to know what North American magic was like in the Potter universe? Activists say you shouldn't.

Robby Soave | 3.10.2016 2:32 PM

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This story might make you want to point a wand at your computer screen and shout Avada Kedavra: Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling has come under fire for appropriating Native American culture in recently released stories that build on the mythology she created. 

Some background: the Harry Potter novels take place in Great Britain, and provide scant details regarding magical life outside of Europe. But now Rowling has begun releasing short stories on her website, Pottermore, that expand the scope of her books by providing information about wizarding communities in other parts of the world. 

A recent entry examined the history of magic in North America. Rowling drew on Native American legends, practices, and cultural beliefs to accomplish this, which is hardly surprising. The British witches and wizards of the Harry Potter universe are similarly inspired by real-world depictions of witches and wizards in European stories. 

Is something wrong with this? No. There is an entire genre of fiction, in fact, built around "secret histories," where authors use real historical events or legends but retell them with revisionist or fantastical elements. 

But Rowling has run afoul of the people who shout "cultural appropriation" whenever someone borrows from an ethnic tradition to which they do not belong. As was the case with Renee Bierbaum—the yoga instructor who was shut down by the county government after a Native American activist accused her of culture theft—a militant defender of Native traditions is asserting that Rowling is taking "a living tradition of a marginalized people." 

"That's straight up colonialism/appropriation," wrote Dr. Adrienne Keene, an academic and member of the Cherokee Nation, on Twitter. 

Keene was particularly perturbed that Rowling had referenced "skin walkers," an actual Native American legend. In Rowling's fictional universe, skin walkers were just normal magical folk who could turn into animals. Non-magical people created myths about evil skin walkers in attempt to demonize the magical community. 

Here was Keene's response: 

I had a long phone call with one of my friends/mentors today, who is Navajo, asking her about the concepts Rowling is drawing upon here, and discussing how to best talk about this in a culturally appropriate way that can help you (the reader, and maybe Rowling) understand the depths to the harm this causes, while not crossing boundaries and taboos of culture. What did I decide? That you don't need to know. It's not for you to know. I am performing a refusal. 

In Keene's mind, not only are non-Natives forbidden from adapting Native stories, but they should be kept in the dark about their ignorance! 

Rowling noted on Twitter that she was only explaining Native American magical traditions in the context of her world, to which Keene responded, "It's not 'your' world. It's our (real) Native world." 

Keep in mind: they're arguing over the details of a story that features a magic boy who talks to snakes and rides a broomstick and battles dragons. 

It would be one thing if Rowling's depictions of Native Americans were offensive, or racist. But merely drawing inspiration from Native American culture is not the same thing as marginalizing it. 

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  1. RFID   9 years ago

    She's still upset about the defeat at the stuffing mines.

    1. Mr. Flanders   9 years ago

      +1 Natalie Portman's vagina

    2. The Other Libertarian   9 years ago

      She lost her whole family to a forced march along the Trail of Snowflakes.

  2. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

    Dr. Adrienne Keene is hot.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      She's not your Land o' Lakes butterbox indian native american maiden, you cisnormal shitlord.

      1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        Seriously, super hot, especially her Twitter pic with the angry-schoolmarm look along with the unbuttoned-to-cleavage-level denim shirt. It's also hilarious that if you GIS her, the 7th or 8th pic is a still from Pocahantas.

        1. R C Dean   9 years ago

          Mrrowr.

        2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

          God dammit, this is why etc.

          But, honesty compels to say, you're not wrong. A total HeteroPatriarch yes, but wrong no.

          1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

            Hey, I know who I am.

          2. TheZeitgeist   9 years ago

            So white people pretending to be Indians in movies is bad, but white people pretending to be Indians at college is...good?

      2. Entelechy   9 years ago

        When will the producers of The Wiz fork up for expropriating the neoKickapoo flying monkey mythos ?

        Chthulhu wants to know.

    2. SugarFree   9 years ago

      She's certainly ridden that 1/27th of nothing a long way.

      1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        Oh, nothing she has written that I can see is worth paying attention to, but she looks like a brunette Amy Smart. Really gorgeous. And I try to say nice things about people if I can.

        1. Marcus Aurelius   9 years ago

          you need your glasses checked if you think she's anywhere close to looking like amy smart

    3. This Machine   9 years ago

      *clicks twitter link*

      Hmm. I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating fry-bread.

      1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        I fucking love fry-bread. I wish there were more native american restaurants, but maybe that is problematic because of appropriation or something.

        1. Citizen X   9 years ago

          Fry bread is entirely non-native. It exists because flour, salt, and oil were the only foodstuffs the U.S. Army would give to Apaches, Navajos, et al as they herded them onto reservations.

          Corn on the cob, on the other hand...

          1. Brandybuck   9 years ago

            Holy succotash, you're right!

          2. DarrenM   9 years ago

            So fry bread is cultural appropriation by Native Americans?

    4. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      Is she the one on the right?

      1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        No, that's Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig. She finally decided to do something about the dead tooth and, well, she went a little overboard.

      2. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        Is she the one on the right?

        Unfortunately, D-o-M 5000, Dr. Keene's image has bee cropped out of that picture, adding yet another layer of marginalization.

    5. Inigo Montoya, Micro-Aggressor   9 years ago

      Yes, if you like the dumb blonde, or dumb brunette in this case, type.

      I'm frankly fed up with the sheer idiocy of this "cultural appropriation" thing. It's beyond stupid.

    6. prolefeed   9 years ago

      Dr. Adrienne Keene is hot.

      Not seeing it. Reasonably good looking, sure. Almost as pretty as my GF, sure.

      Is there a pic of her I missed where she is better looking than the ones at the top of the search on google images?

    7. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

      She categorically cannot be hot, attached to a brain that would produce those posts. I am flabbergasted that someone can think this way and attain a PhD.

      1. Spartacus   9 years ago

        I think it's an Ed.D., actually.

        1. Sigivald   9 years ago

          From Harvard!

          Proving that they're trying their best to undermine their brand.

    8. IceTrey   9 years ago

      Meh.

    9. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      Dr. Adrienne Keene is hot.

      And bothered.

      1. Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!   9 years ago

        I aint bovvered.

    10. croaker   9 years ago

      Hypatia Lee is hot. Keene is only hot when you put her next to a stove.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    High ranking red muggle Elizabeth Warren hardest hit.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      ^This. The hypocrisy and selective outrage are delicious.

      1. Doctor Whom   9 years ago

        I noticed that Keene had done some cultural appropriation of her own, as is often the case with those who scream about cultural appropriation.

        1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

          Cultural appropriation isn't a thing. I reject the very notion.

        2. HolgerDanske   9 years ago

          The lack of awareness is almost Dolezalean.

          Rowling's correct response should be that she identifies as Native American. Sometimes. When she writes about their her culture.

  4. Mint Berry Crunch   9 years ago

    There is an entire genre of fiction, in fact, built around "secret histories," where author's use real historical events or legends but retell them with revisionist or fantastical elements.

    You should have provided a trigger warning for this sentence. I'm traumatized because it reminded me how disappointing Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter was.

    (The movie, I mean - didn't read the book.)

    1. Marcus Aurelius   9 years ago

      Try reading Abraham Lincoln: Vampire (an actual history of Abraham Lincoln, with the phrase "because he was a vampire" inserted randomly throughout the text).

    2. Suicidy   9 years ago

      Do you mean the mainstream adaption of the adult film, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Humper?

  5. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

    I'm glad Twitter wasn't around when Neil Gaiman started out.

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      I was going to make a similar comment, so nicely done, Hugh.

      1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

        Welp, off to the shower for a few hours.

        1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          Pics?

          1. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

            Umm....This?

            Some rather nice concepts in there.

            1. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

              Frakkin' link......

              Try this.

              Or, this, if you're more of the traditional type.

              1. Citizen X   9 years ago

                +1 Serbian army surplus showerhead

    2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      He didn't do cultural appropriation in Sandman (because all White Cultures are the same, so no one gives a fuck when he plunders Celtic or Greek myth), where he got his Right Thinking Bona Fides, so he'd have probably gotten away with Representing Marginalized Cultures in Mainstream Fiction to Educate White Dudebros.

      On the other hand, I think of him as Subpar Terry Pratchett, whose fame is because he makes semi-educated people feel real-educated.

      1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

        he makes semi-educated people feel real-educated.

        HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

        Gaiman culturally appropriated the dickens out of American Gods.

        1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

          That was after he established himself among the In Crowd with affectations of erudition mixed with hot punk chick in Sandman. When it was time to appropriate outside Whites in AG and Anansi Boys, he was recognized as a Right Thinking Person Who Thinks Rightly.

      2. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

        Seasons of Mist features at least one Asian god. And there were whole issues devoted to an African tribal story and Ramadan in Baghdad.

      3. R C Dean   9 years ago

        I think of him as Subpar Terry Pratchett

        I love 'em both. Terry is scary consistently awesome, while Neil is less consistently awesome.

    3. Hoofddorp Haarlemmermeer   9 years ago

      or Tony Hillerman.

    4. mattcid   9 years ago

      Yeah Rowling appropriated a copyrighted character, that's the crime. Lucky for her Gaiman's such a nice guy.

  6. Rhywun   9 years ago

    Oh, J.K... you don't humor these people. You laugh in their face and then take a couple laps in your swimming pool full of gold coins.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      Yeah, she's actually in a position to be able to do this. Presumably she's set for life even if her books never sell another copy.

      But I suspect that she'll let herself be shaken down, make a donation to some Indian charity, issue a public statement of contrition and issue hastily revised second editions with the imprimis of the indians and some indian-dictated editing.

      1. Rhywun   9 years ago

        Note to self: purchase 1st edition racist edition ASAP...

        1. Tonio   9 years ago

          ^This. Guaranteed to be a collectors item if only because of rarity. Hang on to it because I suspect that JKR will try to have people buy up all those old copies.

          1. Tonio   9 years ago

            Can't remember who, maybe Kubrick, but one of the really big directors bought up all the prints of one of his early works he wanted to memory hole.

            1. SugarFree   9 years ago

              Are you thinking of The Day the Clown Cried?

              1. SugarFree   9 years ago

                Kubrick cut 17 minutes out of the test screener of 2001 and burned the negatives and work prints so no one would ever see them.

                Although that was a myth. The cut footage still exists.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        It's the way of the world!

      3. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        I assume she's smart enough to know if she does this, there will be descendents of Druids shaking her down for more within hours. If you pay the Danegeld...

        1. Tonio   9 years ago

          The neopagans I know are all about JKR and her works. She is the best publicity they've had.

          But I wouldn't put it past them to bite the hand that feeds them since they are uniformly progressive and reality-challenged. Pardon the redundancy.

          1. Tonio   9 years ago

            The neopagans I'm closest to are of the celtic/druid tradition. All of them claim that their religion was passed down in secret over the years and is therefore authentic. I'm skeptical of this because it would be too easy for any of the various passers-down to have invented stuff.

            Bear Odinson, what's your take on all this?

            1. Rich   9 years ago

              I'm skeptical of this because it would be too easy for any of the various passers-down to have invented stuff.

              Hsst. That's the point.

              1. cgr2727   9 years ago

                I'm skeptical of this because it would be too easy for any of the various passers-down to have invented stuff.

                Isn't that pretty much ALL religious traditions?

                "Hey, we're losing the audience. Let's throw in some shit about this bush just bursting into flames..."

            2. Brett L   9 years ago

              How do they feel about Erik Keane's (?) Ginger Druid chronicles? (It's actually the Iron Druid series)

              Personally, the first one was fun, but it suffers from Dresden Syndrome. The protagonist is by the third or fourth book, basically a god. I do hope for a film adaptation because he's continually ravished by Irish goddesses until he brings up his own hot ginger apprentice.

            3. BearOdinson   9 years ago

              I can't fucking stand the "druid" crowd. Though, you are dead on that most of them are "progressive" politically, and they just make shit up as they go. These and the wiccan's drive me batshit.

              I think the fact is that the Abrahamic religions have been able to adapt (to the extent that they have chosen to) organically over time. But since Germanic and Celtic paganism hasn't been a living religion for a long time (the neo-pagan revival notwithstanding) there does have to be some element of try shit out and see what sticks. I am not a hard-core reconstructionist either, since I am not an 8th century fisherman/farmer.

              So as far as practices go, do whatever you want. But don't claim some "secret" knowledge that was passed down. That is why i pretty much stick to the Eddas as far as wisdom and religious teachings go. It isn't a divinely revealed text, so it isn't about "Odin's word" down to every jot and tittle. But it is as about as much as Germanic neopagans have in terms of understand the beliefs and stories that our ancestors understood.

        2. IceTrey   9 years ago

          There are no descendants of Druids. The Romans wiped them out. But hey since they were white no one cares about THAT brutality.

      4. Suicidy   9 years ago

        I would teach that Keene bitch a lesson. if I were Rowling, I would donate a few million bucks to Brown University's Natove American studies dept.. On the condition the name of the dept. be changed to the JK Rowling department of Native American studies. I would additionally stipulate the placement of a giant statue of Rowling in front of the building. So this Keene bitch would have a daily reminder of who the fuck is boss.

        It's more of a Trump maneuver, but what the hell. I could see Trump totally doing that to some pissant academic for calling him out on some PC bullshit. He would probably even insist on a public ceremony where the attending academic would be there to shake his hand at the unveiling of the statue.

      5. croaker   9 years ago

        "You're a subjugate race. Start acting like it."

    2. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      Yeah, Rowling's mistake is acknowledging these idiots at all

    3. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

      Turns out J K Rowling is also hot, and successful for something not government-or-grievance-related. She wins over Keene.

    4. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      Or accuse the professor of culturally appropriation herself.

      After all, aren't universities a big part of the European culture/history? Remind me again how many Native American universities there were?

      I don't know how Dr. Keene can live with herself.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

        I'm pretty sure they've come up with a way to rationalize keeping all of the good or convenient things that heterosexual white Christian males have contributed to the world.

        1. Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!   9 years ago

          Yeah? it's only cultural appropriation one way.

        2. Suicidy   9 years ago

          I would be willing to contribute a good long deep dicking to Dr. Keene. The bitch clearly needs one. Then perhaps she can quit her bitchin and get back to the kitchen. Where she can bake me a pie!

        3. Wizard4169   9 years ago

          Why, it's no more than they're owed for their suffering and repression, dontcha know.

      2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        I don't know how Dr. Keene can live with herself.

        I don't know how she can live in Rhode Island.

      3. The Other Libertarian   9 years ago

        Ask her if she can speak/read/write Cherokee?

  7. Dr. Fronkensteen   9 years ago

    The cultural appropriation people drive me nuts. People have been appropriating each other's cultures since there were more than two tribes on the Serengeti. Appropriation does not equal denigration by any means.

    1. SugarFree   9 years ago

      denigration

      So you want to remove all the Negroes? Racist.

      1. Tonio   9 years ago

        Worse, genocidal eliminationist rhetoric!

        1. Dr. Fronkensteen   9 years ago

          I know. I'm worse than Irish.

          1. Tonio   9 years ago

            No, he's a chief, you are a mere brave.

    2. FreeToFear   9 years ago

      They don't think of it as denigration - their issue is that Rowling gets to profit off of something that their ancestors dreamed up 500-1000 years ago and current followers of these imaginings don't get any kickbacks for their efforts (that they did anything to deserve such a payment is of course a matter of some contention

      1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

        The Native American shit is published as a short story on a website, not the original series that got her billions of dollars and thousands of pages of creepy SugarFree "sequels". I don't think she's making a profit from it.

        1. cgr2727   9 years ago

          The whole thing (her new short stories I mean) smells like a marketing tie-in for the new Potter-universe movie, which is set in New York according to what I've read on the interwebz.

      2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        Otherwise known as "envy".

        1. FreeToFear   9 years ago

          It's a natural evolution from 'equality of outcome' type thinking, no? I'm envious of your wealth, I need to rationalize some reason as to why I should have it and not you... this is but one example

  8. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    What did I decide? That you don't need to know. It's not for you to know.

    I see. "Circling the wagons", then.

    1. RBS   9 years ago

      Hey, GILMORE! look what I got.

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        Your link truly wounded me. i shall leave a trail of tears from here to my safety blanket, which i recently received in trade from some soldiers.

        1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

          Vying for the position of "worst" on these threads, Gil?

          1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

            I'm sure whatever problems people have will be cured by Big Medicine. And the people in Flint should really Fire their Water commissioner.

            1. cgr2727   9 years ago

              I see what you did there.

    2. Drake   9 years ago

      I am performing a refusal.

      I refuse to give a fuck about the nonsense leaking out of these idiots mouths.

      1. RBS   9 years ago

        She's not lying...

      2. cavalier973   9 years ago

        I am performing a refusal

        Refusal?! Very good! Very good!

        Know. What. I. Mean?

        *twists hand back and forth*

    3. Jerryskids   9 years ago

      "It's a black red thing, you wouldn't understand."

      That slogan used to bug the shit out of me - I'm a white guy so I wouldn't understand? Then what's the point of talking and why the hell won't you shut up?

      1. Brandybuck   9 years ago

        Just tell them that your great great great grandmother was 1/32nd Cherokee...

        1. DarrenM   9 years ago

          An Indian princess. (It seems there were a lot of those.)

  9. SugarFree   9 years ago

    Rowling has enough money to reply in the only manner she should have to: Go fuck yourself, Adrienne Keene

    1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

      Wait I thought the only necessary response would be a Vine of her queefing over a stack of Euros.

      1. SugarFree   9 years ago

        Queef on them, throw them in Keene's face and yell, "Keep 'em, bitch! I'm rich!"

      2. This Machine   9 years ago

        Shut it down, everyone. Hugh wins the thread today.

      3. Loki   9 years ago

        I thought the only necessary response would be a Vine of her queefing over a stack of Euros Sacajawea dollars.

        FTFY.

        1. cgr2727   9 years ago

          I thought the only necessary response would be a Vine of her queefing over a stack of Euros Sacajawea dollars heap big wampum.

          FTFY again.

    2. Jerryskids   9 years ago

      Are you fucking kidding me? DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!! How damn hard is that to understand? They're extremely sad and pathetic creatures whining for attention and if you pay them the slightest bit of attention, even by telling them to go fuck themselves, you're giving them what they want and thereby ensuring a fresh bumper crop of trolls tomorrow. Rowling should say nothing and if anybody asks her about it, look them straight in the eye, give them a polite perfunctory smile and say "I'm sorry, I'm sure I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about." And then walk away.

    3. Suicidy   9 years ago

      I actually would watch her do that.

  10. Catatafish & Woodchips   9 years ago

    This is identity politics approaching the event horizon of peak retard.

    1. Loki   9 years ago

      There is no such thing as Peak Retard. Unless you consider infinite retard.

      1. DarrenM   9 years ago

        Didn't Einstein write a paper on that?

  11. RBS   9 years ago

    I read my son book based on a Cherokee legend last night. I guess now I have to explain to him how wrong that was.

    1. SIV   9 years ago

      Cherokees appropriated legends from West African immigrant culture. True Story

      1. Tonio   9 years ago

        It only counts when it's done by white people.

        1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

          Jung and Campbell (and others) have written about the idea that human beings have something of a collective consciousness,s and most of their creation/life-stage fables are quite similar.
          If so, one cannot really appropriate anything that is part of one's DNA.

          Thoughts?

          1. Inigo Montoya, Micro-Aggressor   9 years ago

            Jung and Campbell (especially Jung) belonged to an earlier time when rational folk would have laughed in the faces of today's SJWs.

            Now, however, Jung and Campbell are both relegated to the ranks of "old, dead, white men," and can therefore be ignored. From the viewpoint of today's precious little snowflakes, they both lived like a hundred years ago and probably owned slaves.

          2. Ron   9 years ago

            considering the similarities of stories even between those that supposedly never meet their would either be a DNA or a spiritual connection thus making everyone connected beyond our common ancestors in Africa.

            1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

              Ron,

              Your comments/observations return me to (the slightly older versions of) "Determinism Versus Free Will" discussions.

          3. Suthenboy   9 years ago

            I have always just taken that for granted. Also, people have always traveled. Down in central america there is a tribe of Japanese. The West Africans paddled freakin' canoes across the Atlantic and traded with the Arawaks. Some of the chronicles of Columbus and his men include a description of iron spear heads the locals possessed. The name they had for them is the same as the tribe from Africa that apparently brought them over. When questioned about it the Arawaks said "Some black dudes come from that way (points east) and trade those with us."

            I haven't looked at this stuff in decades so my memories about it are vague. Still I don't see why any of that would be surprising or unbelievable.

            Also, one cannot steal, borrow, or appropriate culture.

      2. Jerryskids   9 years ago

        Yeah, but the West African immigrants themselves appropriated those stories from the rabbits and the foxes. As a self-appointed spokescreature for the oppressed of the so-called animal "kingdom" I condemn this speciest approach to transgressive intersectionality and the normalization of homocentric observational criticism.

    2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      I read my son book based on a Cherokee legend last night. I guess now I have to explain to him how wrong that was.

      And you're appropriating their culture by leaving out an indefinite article.

  12. See Double You   9 years ago

    That's straight up colonialism/appropriation[.]

    Man, for all the praise leftists heap on Native Americans for supposedly eschewing property rights*...

    It would be one thing if Rowling's depictions of Native Americans were offensive, or racist. But merely drawing inspiration from Native American culture is not the same thing as marginalizing it.

    What about when my culture is marginalized and depicted in offensive or racist ways? Why should basic human decency only be reserved for "historically oppressed" people and not on an individual basis?

    *see, e.g., "indigenous intellectual property rights".

    1. Marty Comanche   9 years ago

      Do people heap big praise on Native Americans?

      1. This Machine   9 years ago

        How.

        1. Rich   9 years ago

          Scrambled.

      2. Ron   9 years ago

        Star Trek the next generation went all out in their praising of native Americans in several episodes, to the point that it ruined the show.

    2. Doctor Whom   9 years ago

      The conclusive evidence of what nonsense it all is came when someone criticized gay men for appropriating aspects of her culture that had originally been appropriated from gay men, and the goodthinkers hailed her wisdom.

    3. Anomalous   9 years ago

      That's straight up colonialism/appropriation

      I prefer my colonialism/appropriation on the rocks, with a twist of lime.

    4. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      Why should basic human decency only be reserved for "historically oppressed" people and not on an individual basis?

      Because such decency is the concept of white men.

    5. Spartacus   9 years ago

      No, colonialism would be if JK smashes through her front door, takes most of her stuff, and forces her to move permanently into the hall bathroom so JK can have the rest of the house for herself. That's colonialism. Not some bunch of electrons arranged in a disagreeable manner on a screen.

  13. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    It would be one thing if Rowling's depictions of Native Americans were offensive, or racist

    OMFG of course that would be totally different. Then we'd rightfully demand her scalp.

    1. See Double You   9 years ago

      ISWYDT.

  14. Doctor Whom   9 years ago

    Not her world? Works of fiction, how do they work?

  15. HazelMeade   9 years ago

    Imagine if someone was to write a story in which a famous saint was depicted as a funny old man who rides a magical sled and delivers toys to children.

    1. BearOdinson   9 years ago

      Considering that the idea of him traveling around to children with 8 reindeer was stolen from Odin on his 8-legged horse Sleipnir, then I charge CULTURAL APPROPRIATION! (At least from a religious standpoint).
      Christmas trees? Stolen
      Stockings? Stolen
      Easter eggs? Stolen
      Halloween? Stolen

      But thats alright. I can celebrate these things in their original way. And it doesn't take away from Christians joy at their holidays.

      Cultural INTERCHANGE? How does that work?

      1. Tonio   9 years ago

        Mmmmm....stollen.

        1. jarflax   9 years ago

          But is the stollen stolen, perhaps by Stalin

  16. SugarFree   9 years ago

    Anyone want to bet that she'd still be bitching if Rowling said there was no magic in North America until crackers showed up?

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      Of course they would. Because then she'd be ignoring the "rich cultural heritage, blah, blah, blah..."

    2. Lee G   9 years ago

      I think it's time for some trademark Sugarfree cultural appropriation

      1. SugarFree   9 years ago

        Me heap big afraid of fake squaw.

        1. HeteroPatriarch   9 years ago

          So don't do any cultural appropriation. Just straight Keene/Rowling slashfic.

          1. SugarFree   9 years ago

            Either I can write about the dreamcatcher dildo or I'm not writing at all. I am performing a refusal.

            1. This Machine   9 years ago

              It's comforting to know you're not going to sell out your principles to good taste and couth, SF. Very... *shudders* ... comforting.

      2. Tonio   9 years ago

        No, she's not worth it. She's just a grievance monger and low level shakedown artist. Save the Sugar for elected officials who can do real harm to us.

        1. R C Dean   9 years ago

          Alright, Rowling should post vid of herself saying "You know, I get that you want me to pay you off. Here's a 100,000 quid, in real paper notes. Watch carefully.

          *sprays pile o' pounds with lighter fluid, tosses match*

          Appropriate that, Mx. Keene."

  17. Citizen X   9 years ago

    So, i couldn't help but notice that Dr. Keene tweeted this nonsense in English...

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      And tweeted as opposed to using smoke signals.

    2. John   9 years ago

      What I can't find in any of her online bios is just exactly where she grew up. She claims to be a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, but that just means she had a parent on the rolls. That doesn't mean she grew up anywhere near Indian land or Indian culture.

      My guess is that this chick is marginally more "Indian" than fauxchahontus. She likely figured out there was SJW gold in being a professionally offended Indian. And she has managed to make an entire academic career out of it. So, you really can't say she was wrong.

  18. John   9 years ago

    Dr. Keene is a cutie. She is also a total nut who is likely doing all kinds of harm to Indian kids all over America. From her Harvard bio

    As a citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Adrienne has a deep personal commitment to exploring research methodologies that empower Native communities and privilege Native voices and perspectives, with the ultimate goal of increasing educational outcomes for Native students.

    The reason why Indian kids are not doing well is because they are not giving the "Native voices privilege". It has nothing to do with the prevalence of things like divorce and alcoholism in these communities or corrupt and incompetent tribal education systems that seem to do nothing but line the pockets of hacks like Dr. Keene.

    1. See Double You   9 years ago

      Dr. Keene is a cutie. She is also a total nut[.]

      So very much like Sacheen Littlefeather back in the day?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        And so utterly, charmingly polite:

        As the stunned audience erupted with a confused mix of boos and applause, Littlefeather explained that Brando was regretfully turning down the award to protest "the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry" and the ongoing siege of 200 American Indian Movement activists by armed authorities in Wounded Knee, S.D. "I beg at this time that I have not intruded upon this evening," she concluded before leaving the stage, "and that we will, in the future, our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity."

        1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

          Remembering the Nation Lampoon send-up of Brando after "the refusal."

          "Those Injun squaws, boy. They [bleep] like bunnies."

      2. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

        Sacheen today

    2. This Machine   9 years ago

      Yeah, I've got a relative who "works with the tribes" out West. What kind of work, you say? Teaching on the Rez, maybe, or providing medical aid to impoverished natives, or maybe counseling for conflict-ridden families?

      Nope. None of the above. She helps them write applications for federal money. She helps them by getting them free money from Uncle Sam. And apparently, you can make a pretty good living doing it!

      1. John   9 years ago

        I did a lot of work with Indians in law school. And I like the Indians a lot. They are however a perfect example of what welfare dependence can do to a community. And the tribal governments are appalling. IF you have any sense, you get the hell away from the communities and the tribes and make your own way. The worst thing you can do if you are born and Indian and hang around the tribes looking for a handout from Uncle Sam.

        1. This Machine   9 years ago

          IF you have any sense, you get the hell away from the communities and the tribes and make your own way.

          Sucks that it's like that. Sounds like a good way to get ostracized from your own community.

          1. John   9 years ago

            It is that. Sadly, living in poverty and misery is somehow considered "authentic" and being "true to your roots".

        2. Loki   9 years ago

          It's funny I knew a couple of Navajos years ago. When they left for college their parents basically told them to go, get their education... and NEVER. COME. BACK. to the reservation.

          You wouldn't believe the amount of shit they got from other NA's for actually having the gall to better themselves and get away from the shit show that was the reservation.

          1. John   9 years ago

            There is an old movie from back in the 80s called Running Brave. It is about Billy Mills. Mills was a res Indian from South Dakota who won the 5000 meter gold medal at the 64 Olympics. A lot of the movie is about the push and pull of his father telling him that it does no good to try and be an "Indian" and that he needed to get out and make his own life away from all of that and the rest of his friends and family constantly pressuring him to come back to it.

            1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

              That goes on in a lot of poor communities. They're poor so they cling to some sort of tribal identity. Of course, clinging to a tribal identity makes you poor. You can't fix that institutionally, only a individual can make the decision to try something other than a vicious circle. Same shit goes on in Appalachia, the south side of Chicago, the Middle East, etc.

              I can concede that tribalism has a sort of security in it, but there's also an excess of pride in it which can make it stifling and prison-like. It sort of shows the imbecility of American culture that we despise racism and praise tribalism when they're two sides of the same coin. Cultures are constantly changing or they die. The idea that cultures should be preserved is absurd; documented for history's-sake, sure, but preserving them is the surest way of putting them into a permanent coma.

        3. Red Rocks Rockin   9 years ago

          Working on an Indian reservation single-handedly turned my wife from a progressive into a liberal-tarian.

    3. BearOdinson   9 years ago

      "exploring research methodologies that empower Native communities and privilege Native voices and perspectives"

      Ok, here is a fair trade. We of European stock won't mention indigenous American culture any more. And indigenous Americans aren't allowed to use science, or logic.

      1. See Double You   9 years ago

        How do research methodologies "empower Native communities"? Use methods that purposely carry a Native racial bias?

        1. John   9 years ago

          It teaches them how to be perpetual victims and never take ownership and responsibility for their lives.

        2. Inigo Montoya, Micro-Aggressor   9 years ago

          How do research methodologies "empower Native communities"?

          I think it's a reference to the hundreds of thousands of dollars the typical government research grant pays out.

          For example, the guy who studied the femininity and sexual identities of arctic glaciers or whatever the hell he wrote about got $700,000 of taxpayer money for his worthy efforts. NOTHING LEFT TO CUT!!1!

        3. IceTrey   9 years ago

          Especially since their methodology is the Sun Dance were they hang by their nipples from a tree.

        4. Antisocialist   9 years ago

          How do research methodologies "empower Native communities"?

          It's academic-speak for "get a welfare check." The non-academic approach would be "get a fucking job."

      2. The Last American Hero   9 years ago

        To be fair, Keene isn't using either.

  19. SugarFree   9 years ago

    Postdoc... the fanciest way to say unemployed.

  20. Tonio   9 years ago

    Yo, Adrienne, I don't complain when you speak English, wear plaid or drink scotch, so shut the fuck up.

    1. cavalier973   9 years ago

      You're Italian? Huh.

  21. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Dr. Keene is truly on a warpath

  22. JW   9 years ago

    "That's straight up colonialism/appropriation," wrote Dr. Adrienne Keene, an academic and member of the Cherokee Nation, on Twitter.

    That's nice. Feel free to not buy the book.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      It doesn't work that way. Impressionable minds are buying the book, and that must be stopped.

  23. Loki   9 years ago

    In Keene's mind, not only are non-Natives forbidden from adapting Native stories, but they should be kept in the dark about their ignorance!
    ...
    But merely drawing inspiration from Native American culture is not the same thing as marginalizing it.

    You know what would be marginalizing? Refusing to talk about and share one's culture with "outsiders." What a stupid fucking cunt. I bet she barely has enough Cherokee ancestry to be a member of the Cherokee Nation.

    In my admittedly limited experience it's usually the 1/32nd (or whatever the minimum is) who get all uptight about "their" Native American culture. Most others are a lot more open about sharing their culture - appropriation be damned - and less likely to freak out over imagined slights against them.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      Yeah, that's a total trap: "We won't tell you what our culture is because SECRET, but if you dare to appropriate our culture, which we won't tell you about, you're in big trouble." Total fucktardery.

    2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      I grew up near a big reservation and an old timer indian who used to let me hunt squirrels on his farm would always refer to AIM as "Assholes in Moccasins".

      The funny thing about most indians I have know is how fucking racist they all are. They respect us white eyes because we beat them, but they have nothing but scorn for other tribes or blacks and asians.

      1. John   9 years ago

        All of that and a bag of chips Jimbo. You want to see what real racism looks like, get an Indian talking about a rival tribe. They make Shias and Sunnis seem like reasonable people with reasonable differences.

        And in Oklahoma at least up until the 1990s, the one kind of bar left where a black person or a Mexican was in real personal danger for entering was an Indian bar. White people were not welcome either but they generally wouldn't get violent with a white person.

    3. Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!   9 years ago

      In my admittedly limited experience it's usually the 1/32nd (or whatever the minimum is) who get all uptight about "their" Native American culture.

      It's not a percentage? you just have to have an ancestor on the Dawes Roll.

    4. trig   9 years ago

      Pretty sure I'm 1/32 cherokee.. maybe I should apply for some guvment $ 🙂

  24. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    JK Rowling must be pale-faced with embarrassment

  25. SugarFree   9 years ago

    I see that Keene is just another steaming dump that Harvard has laid on America.

    1. JW   9 years ago

      Stop appropriating Scheisse culture!

      1. Loki   9 years ago

        "Dude, what the hell is wrong with German people!"

        1. Tilting at Windmills   9 years ago

          "Mom, if you were ever in a German scheisse video, you'd let me know, right?"

  26. JW   9 years ago

    I had a long phone call with one of my friends/mentors today, who is Navajo, asking her about the concepts Rowling is drawing upon here, and discussing how to best talk about this in a culturally appropriate way that can help you (the reader, and maybe Rowling) understand the depths to the harm this causes, while not crossing boundaries and taboos of culture. What did I decide? That you don't need to know. It's not for you to know. I am performing a refusal.

    IGNORE ME!

    1. SugarFree   9 years ago

      So she appropriated the white man's phone? And Mentor is from Western Mythopoetics.

      SOMEONE LEFT A BABY!

      1. JW   9 years ago

        She needs to return the white man's denim that she appropriated.

      2. Red Rocks Rockin   9 years ago

        Heh, during my senior seminar in college we watched a video on Native Americans, and there's a voiceover of one saying that he's proud of his heritage and "will never adopt the white man's ways." The voiceover was juxtaposed over a picture of an Indian holding a rifle and riding a horse. To the professor's credit, he actually laughed when I pointed that out.

        1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

          What exactly ARE "white man's ways"? I mean, aside from buying Rush albums.

  27. Irish Breaks Up W/ ESB   9 years ago

    People like this complain that there aren't enough stories about non-white protagonists, but how the fuck can someone write about non-white protagonists if they're going to get accused of racism or cultural appropriation when they do?

    They just want to whine. If there aren't minority protagonists, they whine about that. If there are they claim it's somehow appropriation.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      They just want to whine.

      Pretty much. They get more attention from being outraged than by quietly enjoying a movie, book, or whatever.

      It must be a miserable existence to be upset about everything always.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        They're gonna miss out on everything fun, and die angry. Poor fuckers.

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      Excellent point, Irish. Even though you are racist and all.

    3. See Double You   9 years ago

      In the end it comes down to money. I can't help but believe there is as much a pecuniary motive as a "dignity" motive behind their complaints.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

        as much a pecuniary motive as a "dignity" motive behind their complaints

        I'd say more. If there were not dozens of tenured professors across the country who made their careers off of this nonsense, it would have ended years ago

        1. See Double You   9 years ago

          I'm trying to be generous.

  28. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

    Dr. Keene sounds like an idiot/moron

  29. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    It's not "your" world. It's our (real) Native world. And skin walker stories have context, roots, and reality.

    Yes, it is her world. Conversation over.

  30. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

    I truly can't wait for the first time I'm accused of cultural appropriation.

    Anyone want to guess my response?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      Hitler?

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      Laughter?

    3. Loki   9 years ago

      I'm also waiting for the day some SJW fucktard comes up to me after Taekwon-Do class and accuses me appropriating Asian culture.

      That way I can look them straight in the eyes and tell that "I choose to self identify as Korean and your failure to recognize my choice is a microaggresion. A microagression that will be met with macroagression if you don't fuck the hell off right now."

    4. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      Yeah, Baby!

    5. Mindyourbusiness   9 years ago

      When you hurl, stand very close to them?

  31. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Robby displays Great Spirit in his handling of the issue.

    1. The Immaculate Trouser   9 years ago

      He piped up for peace -- the trait of a wise chief

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        He probably had a pow-wow with the editor beforehand.

  32. Irish Breaks Up W/ ESB   9 years ago

    I also love the concept of cultural appropriating because it's inherently racist.

    American black people are not the products of African culture. They have a completely different culture than the Africans do. So how can a black American get away with taking offense about 'cultural appropriation' from Africa when it isn't even a culture to which black Americans belong?

    The entire concept is based on the idea that culture and skin color are somehow inextricably linked, when in fact they are completely separate from one another. How is it not racist to argue that someone's skin color inherently connects them to a culture they otherwise have nothing to do with?

    1. Irish Breaks Up W/ ESB   9 years ago

      Also, from Rowling's story:

      "The Native American wizarding community was particularly gifted in animal and plant magic, its potions in particular being of a sophistication beyond much that was known in Europe. "

      Yeah, I can see why portraying Native Americans as uniquely sophisticated in certain types of magic would be seen as offensive. Total bigotry.

    2. John   9 years ago

      That is a great point.

    3. Tonio   9 years ago

      Oh, Irish, they get a pass on that because traditionally oppressed.

      Also, in all seriousness, their cultures (plural, because they came from different tribes and areas) were indeed stolen from them. They certainly have a right to try to reclaim their cultural heritage, but that doesn't exclude anyone else from adopting parts of those cultures.

  33. Doctor Whom   9 years ago

    One last thing. As someone of Southern European ancestry on my mother's side, I take huge offense at the appropriation and desecration of my culture represented by the bad Latin in the spells in the Potterverse.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      JKR uses Medieval or Church Latin, right?

  34. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

    SO...

    Who's gonna dress in green, drink beer (or whiskey) and talk like a Mick next Thursday?

    KULCHRAL PROPREAYSHUNZ!

    Fuck these idiots!

    1. This Machine   9 years ago

      All of the above, Franco. All of the above. I might even celebrate St. Patrick's week, since I can't fit all of my appropriation into a single day!

  35. R C Dean   9 years ago

    This is my question:

    The multi-cultis tell us to "celebrate" these cultures. Then, they tell us not to "appropriate" these cultures.

    How can I do the first, without doing the second?

    1. BearOdinson   9 years ago

      I don't know but I am fucking sick and tired of all these people culturally appropriating haggis!!

      1. Tonio   9 years ago

        Not me, you can have my share - both of the haggis and the spoils from the appropriation.

    2. JW   9 years ago

      How can I do the first, without doing the second?

      Just like golf balls in miniature golf; please return the cultures to the giant clown head when finished.

    3. See Double You   9 years ago

      I think you can do both if "celebrating without appropriating" means constantly apologizing for your European ancestry.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      You introduce the real cultural adherents onto the stage, then get the fuck off.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        That must be it.

        So I'm not allowed to internalize their culture, or otherwise do anything but passively observe it. Not much of a celebration, but OK.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          Observe and report, that's it.

    5. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      Well, which is it, young feller?

      You want l should freeze or get down on the ground?

      l mean to say, if l freeze, l can't rightly drop and, if l drop, l'm gonna be in motion. You see?

      1. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

        +1 Not unless round is funny

    6. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      How can I do the first, without doing the second?

      I think it involves money.

  36. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    I think this story really beats a drum of false-outrage.

  37. OBJ FRANKELSON   9 years ago

    So the real story is that J.K. Rowling is writing what, by the brief discription, appears to be, fan fiction of her own work... huh.

  38. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    I think this Dr. Keene should get off her High Horse and just smoke a peace-pipe

  39. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    "Straight up colonialism/appropriation" was a great Longmire episode. LDP killed it, as usual.

  40. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

    Fuck you,

    culture is an accretive process, not a deliberate undertaking,

    nobody owns ideas, let alone historic traditions,

    curation is the death of culture, not its salvation,

    and

    go piss up a rope.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      ^This. Culture is not a thing that can be "stolen." Ideas are constantly changing and adapting, and influencing other ideas. It is absolutely impossible to partition ideas off in discreet units that only select groups may use or be influenced by.

    2. Citizen X   9 years ago

      Exactly. "Appropriation" is how culture comes to exist in the first place.

  41. SIV   9 years ago

    Native American is the hardest diversity quota to fill. With that status you can go as far as you want in any field or discipline so long as you can demonstrate a minimum competence in it. Miss Keene has an education degree.

    1. John   9 years ago

      Yup. Like I said above, nowhere that I can find in her online biographies does it ever mention where exactly this woman grew up. If she had actually grown up in the Indian community, I am pretty sure she would be including that little bit of street creed in her online bios. I bet you anything she grew up nowhere near an Indian community and is culturally was a top shelf white girl right up until the moment the admissions counselor told her that her being an Indian meant she could get into any school she wanted.

      1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        It sorta has that stench of that white girl who darkened her skin and frizzed her hair in Spokane. But if there is "one drop" of Native in her she'll even get a pass for doing the same shit.

    2. R C Dean   9 years ago

      so long as you can demonstrate a minimum competence in it.

      You left out the (optional).

  42. John   9 years ago

    I think Sugar Free made this point above and it is a good one. Imagine if Rowling wrote books about magic in places out side of England but didn't include any native cultures. She just had Chinese and German and Japanese magicians but no Indian or African magicians. Does anyone here not think these idiots would be calling Rowling racist for having such an exclusionary and racist view of magic in her fictional universe?

    People like Keene make their living off of finding things to be offended about. There is no point in trying to appease them since nothing will.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      That's always the case. You can't win with these idiots, no matter what you do, which is why you shouldn't even acknowledge them.

  43. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

    "J.K. Rowling has come under fire for appropriating Native American culture in recently released stories that build on the mythology she created."

    Bwahahahahaha. Oh man. The critics are RIGHT. She should've just made everyone in her universe White and British!! That would make for interesting and non-appropriative storytelling!!

    People in the "appropriation" crowd really want boring fucking media.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      everyone in her universe White and British!!

      *shudder*

      1. John   9 years ago

        Downton Coven.

        1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

          "You were fucked by an oven of witches??"

    2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      J.K. Rowling has come under fire

      So they're burning her at the stake?

  44. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    Video Game The Division not inclusive enough.

    1. This Machine   9 years ago

      Christ, Diane, what an asshole.

      Forbes won't let me read the article, but I assume he fails to take into consideration the fact that most of the people playing that game are young white guys?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        Huh, opens for me, goes to ad, but you get the option to skip in the upper right.

        1. This Machine   9 years ago

          *resists urge to throw work computer into the dumpster*

          1. R C Dean   9 years ago

            File that Form 87/C (Disposition of Faulty Computer Equipment) first.

        2. John   9 years ago

          Did you read his update that he wrote after getting killed in the comments? its delicious.

          Since it appears most commenters on this post are simply skipping both the video and the text in order to let us all know how offended and horrified they are, I'm not sure that the one's who need this update most will even see it. I'll say it anyways. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm not saying playing as a white character is a problem. I even said that, up above, if you were paying attention.

          He is not bitching about you playing white characters Paul. He is just saying you playing white characters is a problem and shows why diversity is so hard and that is totally different.

      2. Irish Breaks Up W/ ESB   9 years ago

        No, he specifically mentions that. He then gets pissy and whines that people misunderstood him and blah blah blah

        1. This Machine   9 years ago

          Ah. Thanks for the TLDR version.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          I didn't read the text, I watched the video. His complaint in the video was that there were too many white NPCs.

          1. See Double You   9 years ago

            Is it any coincidence that most (all?) FPS's have you killing Germans, Russians, and other white dudes? Even "Modern Warfare" had you fighting off a fictional Russian invasion of the U.S.

            1. R C Dean   9 years ago

              Its not a coincidence at all. The game companies know, like the film companies, that using black or brown people for bad guys catches you accusations of, wait for it, racism.

              1. See Double You   9 years ago

                I remember Black Ops 2 getting flak for the Angola levels. Because you can never make a game where the player kills POC's for a couple missions, even though the player kills white guys for the rest of the game. Because we can't judge people as individuals, only by skin color. Weird. It's almost like it's the SJWs who engage in the most blatant racism.

          2. R C Dean   9 years ago

            too many white NPCs

            Also known as "bullet-catchers".

            He's really complaining that the nameless, faceless, corpses-to-be are disproportionately white, and that's racism? Imagine his reaction if they were all blacks and Puerto Ricans.

    2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      Ooh, nice going, Forbes. Can't read article if I don't turn off AdBlock. AND I don't have Private Window. But let's give you benefit of the doubt...

      What's interesting to me is that in spite of all the customization options, most players are still choosing to play as white guys. I think this speaks to the market, and to the real challenge behind making games more diverse. Many critics out there regularly criticize the gaming industry for being too white and too male. But when that's the reality of your market, or at least the reality of the market for games like The Division, making games more diverse is hard. Giving players choice is great, but as we can see here that choice may end up simply reflecting the demographics of the real world.

      "Oh no, I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong, but just saying, if you let white people play as white people you won't be diverse. Also, GamerGate was all about psychotics seeing conspiracies where there are none, whatsoever."

      1. This Machine   9 years ago

        Giving players choice is great, but as we can see here that choice may end up simply reflecting the demographics of the real world.

        So... reality is racist? Should game devs force players to choose racial minorities when they create a new character? I mean, come on, it's a fucking video game. Don't tell me how to entertain myself, you pants-pissing retard.

        1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

          Yes, "make stupid white people play as PoC" is what he is saying. He's also denying he's saying it because he's a cowardly, lying asshole. He's not writing for people who play games, he's writing at people who make them.

          Disclaimer: Ever since Mass Effect 1, my preference (when offered) is for a female avatar. They usually have more appealing voice acting, and they look more human, less ape-like.

          1. SusanM   9 years ago

            I'm sure the prospect of watching a lesbian romp has absolutely nothing to do with it.

            1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

              You're getting uncomfortably close to home, SusanM....

            2. The Immaculate Trouser   9 years ago

              As opposed to watching oppressive cis sex, you shitlord?! I will always choose to play as a lesbo, when given a choice. For social justice.

            3. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

              Not really, though Mass Effect itself was disappointing in having such poor option for straight females, so I went with Liara. Dragon Age 1 and 3 were much better, with Alistair being awesome, and Cullen acceptable. Saint's Row IV just let me be omnisexual, including my beloved bot.

              We do not speak of male romantic interests in Dragon Age 2. Or of Dragon Age 2 in general.

              1. This Machine   9 years ago

                Or of Dragon Age 2 in general.

                Fuck Dragon Age 2. That is all.

              2. See Double You   9 years ago

                Barely a week ago I started a new Skyrim character, the first of its kind for me: a dark elf lesbian. Normally I play a straight male character because, well, that's what I am. But at least my character still likes women. 😉

                1. R C Dean   9 years ago

                  My second playthrough on FONV, I played as an anime chick, as close as I could with their character creation software.

                  Because, why the fuck not?

            4. SusanM   9 years ago

              I'm not here to judge, guys... 😉

              1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

                We all know to judge Dragon Age 2.

                1. KDN   9 years ago

                  Yeah, DA2 was pointless; Hawke's Bisexual Band of Brothers was a near-total miss. The only compliment I'll give it is that combat control was significantly better than the sequel (I literally screamed the 82nd time Dorian ran into a dragon's breath).

          2. This Machine   9 years ago

            Disclaimer: Ever since Mass Effect 1, my preference (when offered) is for a female avatar.

            Oh, so you're one of those weirdos.

            Kidding! Kidding. It really is surprising how forced some of the voice acting can feel, even when delivered by top-tier talent (see also: Black Ops 3). So I can understand that. Not that it matters to me, shit, just have fun playing it how you wanna.

            1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

              Voice acting should be left to voice actors, not bringing in semi-big Holywood names (exception: Vice President Keith David, star of screen and stage).

          3. R C Dean   9 years ago

            Yes, "make stupid white people play as PoC" is what he is saying.

            If I do, does that get me cred as having "lived experience" as a PoC that I can cash in at my next intersectionality seminar?

            If it doesn't, what's the fucking point?

          4. Sigivald   9 years ago

            ... and as I put it "if I'm going to be staring at someone's ass for the entire game, I want it to be a nice ass".

            Not a problem in first-person games, of course.

            (Also, frankly I prefer it in many games in any case, because the male characters are often even stupider caricatures, where there's no free-form character designers.

            I don't wanna do RPGs as "me with magic" or "me with a gun"; go all out, I say.

            Why even be human?)

          5. DarrenM   9 years ago

            my preference (when offered) is for a female avatar

            Plus (if you're male) and have to look at your avatar's backside for hours at a time, you might prefer it be female.

        2. Jerryskids   9 years ago

          Giving people a choice is great, but what if they choose something other than what you want them to choose? You can't force them to make the right choice because that defeats the whole purpose of giving them a choice - which is to make them want to make the right choice. You can't just strap the ratcage over the head and make them say they love Big Brother, they must actually want to love Big Brother - freely and of their own accord. It's a tricky proposition.

          1. R C Dean   9 years ago

            You can't force them to make the right choice

            Sez who?

            /prog OFF

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        If I may borrow from Irish, I believe he may be exhibiting "Peak Millennial".

      3. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        When I played Space Invaders, I pretended I was a bad-ass black chick.

    3. MetalBard   9 years ago

      Just make half the white characters self-identify as something else to piss them off.

  45. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Tatanka

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      The White man has clearly lost his mind.

    2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      Did you say Tachanka?

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        The White Man has stolen many things from my people

  46. Thrackmoor   9 years ago

    This is exactly the kind of thing I would expect out someone who got an Ed.D. in a social study. Go the extra mile and get the PhD or be forever regarded as the retarded step-sister of those of us who did real work in grad school.

    1. Raven Nation   9 years ago

      Nice.

      *Looks at real PhD hanging on the wall.*

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        As one doctor to another, I feel your pain.

        *dusts JD hanging on wall*

        True fact: our chief medical officer refers to me as "doc" on account of my JD. Mostly to piss off the other doctors.

        1. Thrackmoor   9 years ago

          I love that! It's good to see that some MD's have a real sense of humor.

  47. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    I am sure life on the reservations will benefit from her Tweets.

    1. John   9 years ago

      I don't do twitter. But if you do, you should start sending her tweets about all of the amazing benefits reservation Indians receive from her tweets. See how long it takes her to figure out the sarcasm.

      1. MetalBard   9 years ago

        Your tweets have lifted the spirits of our people like the penis of the buffalo.

        1. The Immaculate Trouser   9 years ago

          Always wondered what they used that part of the buffalo for

    2. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      If you retweet her, you can get an extra $20 in chips at the Cherokee Nation Hotel-Resort and Casino right off I-64W, just past Chief Crazy-Bear's Waterslides & Mini Golf. Squaws Drink Free every Tuesday and Thursday.

      1. Alcibiades   9 years ago

        Damn, almost sprayed my keyboard with Diet Coke!!

  48. Michael Ejercito   9 years ago

    Anyone wonder if Keene supports Donald Trump?

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      [offensive casino joke deleted]

  49. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    So an "academic" claims that Rowling is engaging in cultural appropriation, but refuses to provide evidence about what was appropriated?

    I suppose she'd be appropriating paleface cultural norms if she furnished evidence in support of her claims, like other academics are supposed to do.

  50. Zeb   9 years ago

    that can help you (the reader, and maybe Rowling) understand the depths to the harm this causes

    Give me one fucking example of an actual harm cause by this or any other so called "cultural appropriation".

    God I fucking hate these people.

    1. MetalBard   9 years ago

      How come it's only cultural appropriation if the people aren't white? I don't remember anyone accusing Japan of appropriating Germanic culture when they made those old Dragon Warrior games.

      1. John   9 years ago

        Or the History Channel of appropriating English Medieval culture in Vikings?

        1. Zeb   9 years ago

          Or American culture being appropriated by everyone in the world.

          1. Sigivald   9 years ago

            "America has power so its culture can't be appropriated! That's different!"

            Just like "Racial bigotry isn't racism! Because power!"

            Try to tell them they're redefining words and then just demanding everyone else accept that - and that nobody else has to - is like talking to a brick wall, sadly.

      2. Zeb   9 years ago

        "Marginalized cultures". Seems like a good way to keep your culture marginalized is to forbid outsiders from mentioning or knowing about your culture.

        It's just total idiocy. Cultural appropriation is how culture happens. These people seem to think that culture is something fixed that should never change. But that's never been true and never will be.

        I don't know why, but of all the annoying SJW type complaints, the cultural appropriation one really pisses me off.

        1. R C Dean   9 years ago

          Now, Zeb. White folks are allowed to passively observe the quaint rituals of these cultures, as long as they internalize nothing and speak of it to no one.

          1. DarrenM   9 years ago

            I think what Keene and other like her are saying is that all other cultures are inferior to White culture. Appropriating anything from those other cultures would only serve to pollute and corrupt it.

        2. Sigivald   9 years ago

          This is especially ironic for "native culture", which is sadly basically destroyed, by long periods of actual colonialism and actual racism, leaving pale imitations, cobbled-together bits, and half-remembered folk tales, often mish-mashed by "helpful" people between the many various real, once-extant native cultures.

          I respect someone saying the US government has a lot to answer for re. how it's treated natives and what that's done to native cultures [plural] ... I do not respect someone saying "mentioning parts of native culture in fiction, even respectfully, is BAD".

          I especially don't respect it when that person is talking as if there's one unified "native culture" that everyone before Columbus shared.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      THE EXAMPLES ARE ALL AROUND US ZEB!

  51. This Machine   9 years ago

    *scrolls through comments*

    Man, you guys are the best. Fuck the Trumpicles, these articles are where the commentariat shines.

    1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

      WHERE MY CULTURAL APPROPRIATION GONE??!!!

      1. This Machine   9 years ago

        Right here, baby. It's all right here.

        *gyrates hips, gestures in general direction of crotchal region*

    2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      Makes me wish I wasn't lurker during the happy time of Video Games Edition.

  52. Medical Physics Guy   9 years ago

    I am performing a refusal.

    lolwut

    1. JW   9 years ago

      I refuse your refusal! Whaddya think about that?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        Well I refuse your refusal of my refusal! Times infinity!

        1. R C Dean   9 years ago

          *Waits for double dog dare to be issued*

          1. Sigivald   9 years ago

            You're on secret double refusal probation!

  53. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

    help you (the reader, and maybe Rowling) understand the depths to the harm this causes

    No, no - please. Let me help YOU. It cause NO "harm" - none at all.

    Welcome.

    Retard.

  54. robc   9 years ago

    Colonialism is part of Rowling's cultural history.

    1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

      The sun never sets on the remnants of the British Empire, it's true.

  55. MetalBard   9 years ago

    You cannot win with SJW crowd. Try to make a diverse world with a variety of different cultures you get accused of cultural appropriation. Make a world all white and get accused of not being diverse enough. Make a world ethnically diverse but give them the same culture, and you get accused of white washing over marginalized cultures.

    Basically these people are miserable little insane pricks, and are only deserving of ridicule.

    1. Irish Breaks Up W/ ESB   9 years ago

      I still remember the time Cracked called Skyrim racist because it gave the Redguards a -10 Intelligence hit in order to make them bad at magic.

      Of course, Orcs and Nords got the same Intelligence score, so apparently Skyrim is also racist against Swedes and green people.

      1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        Holy shit, I remember reading Cracked 2010-2012 on daily basis. Why must SJWs ruin everything?!

        1. R C Dean   9 years ago

          Yes. Yes, they must.

    2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      Ridicule's too good. Gives them the attention they crave.

  56. CE   9 years ago

    inspired by real-world depictions of witches and wizards

    Somehow I doubt there were real-world witches and wizards to copy.

    1. cavalier973   9 years ago

      I can prove witches are real. All I need are a large scale and a duck.

  57. CE   9 years ago

    As was the case with Renee Bierbaum?the yoga instructor who was shut down by the county government after a Native American activist accused her of culture theft

    I must have missed this story. Why would a Native American activist be upset about yoga? Don't you mean an Indian activist, as in, from India, like yoga is?

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      All SJW's look the same

    2. Raven Nation   9 years ago

      She put a sweat lodge in which led to the Native American response.

      The city came looking and decided the tent she was using for the yoga classes violated the code.

      Speaking of Indians from India, what happened to "Injun, as in from India"?

      1. cgr2727   9 years ago

        Dots or Feathers?

  58. Farm to Toilet   9 years ago

    "That's straight up colonialism/appropriation," wrote Dr. Adrienne Keene, an academic and member of the Cherokee Nation, on Twitter.

    Does Cherokee National Dr. Keene realize her last name has been appropriated from the Irish?

    1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

      She's too drunk on cultural appropriation to care.

  59. 0x90   9 years ago

    Choice tweets...

    On love:

    Roses are red,
    My iPhone is broken,
    Spending Valentine's Day at the Apple Store,
    Is probably an apt metaphor for my love life.

    I'm watching @MeetThePatels on Netflix right now. Why aren't our kind of Indians this organized for matchmaking?!

    On sensitivity:

    Great class this morning! Protip: To get students to engage at 8:30am, don't let them sit down. For the whole class. haha.

    ?ETA: Realized there could be some ableist undertones there--we just did a lot of movement in the discussions. Not penalized for sitting!

    On Star Wars:

    Oh man #starwars was so good.

    I also need an occasion to dress up as Rey from #TheForceAwakens ASAP.

    1. 0x90   9 years ago

      (stuff got cut off)

      Anyone else notice the Navajo influences in Rey's outfit in #TheForceAwakens? Just me? #NativeStyle #waycool

      And, of course, we all know where the original Leia buns came from...#Hopi #StarWars #NativeStyleinfluencers

      On gibberish:

      Indigenous ways of knowing/being are based on reciprocity and relationships. These requests are inherently transactional, not reciprocal.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        Because transactions are never reciprocal.

        I'm willing to believe she grew up speaking Navajo, and English is her second language.

        1. See Double You   9 years ago

          Yeah, that caught my eye, too. It's almost like she's trying to say NA's are a superior race. Almost.

    2. Trshmnstr, terror of the trash   9 years ago

      It's like she is 13

  60. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

    I'm betting Tony Hillerman is glad he's dead now. Think of the trouble he'd be in for his books about the Navaho. Shit he even titled on Skinwalkers!

    1. John   9 years ago

      They love to bitch about the Army naming its helicopters after Indian tribes. The Army did that as a sign of respect for what they considered worthy adversaries in the Indian wars. Somehow showing respect for the prowess of Indian warriors is now THE RACIST.

      I really hate these people.

      1. tarran   9 years ago

        Oh John, you're just smarting from that time Bo Cara proved that the U.S. army was the most racist institution on Earth through its confederate apologia. 😉

        1. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

          Bo Cara

          Now, there's a name....

          Long time, that one.

      2. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        Bullshit. Next thing you'll tell me is the Washington Redskins were named after their Native American head coach.

        1. Thrackmoor   9 years ago

          I think they should change their mascot to a potato and tell everyone to go pound sand.

    2. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Those are good books.

  61. Antisocialist   9 years ago

    I'm going to bitch about cultural appropriation right after I grab a few new albums off this torrent.

    1. kbolino   9 years ago

      Real culture is free of the taint of evil money.

      For evidence of this, look at the thriving culture of North Korea...

  62. Bryan C   9 years ago

    All I see a non-European shamelessly appropriating Marxism. Straight-up, even.

  63. Antisocialist   9 years ago

    The best part of Native American culture is the one where most of them die off from European diseases and alcohol.

    1. cgr2727   9 years ago

      I'm getting a bumper sticker made with that. Funniest thing I've heard all month.

      1. Antisocialist   9 years ago

        I stole it from Trump.

  64. IceTrey   9 years ago

    Why is it that Europeans are the only ones who WANT others to appropriate our culture? We want it so bad we even force it people.

    BTW, anyone here read the "Shadowrun" books? They are chock full of Native American lore and magic.

    1. Deep Lurker   9 years ago

      Because being socialist about cultural practices is a part of European culture: "From each society, cultural practices and traditions according to their ability, to each society, cultural practices and abilities according to their needs."

      And this is one of the very few places where socialism is a good thing.

    2. Thrackmoor   9 years ago

      I do love me some Shadowrun. RPG and books.

  65. Antisocialist   9 years ago

    Dr. Keene's viewpoint would have more validity if it were sent by smoke signal.

  66. Antisocialist   9 years ago

    I would like to read Dr. Keene's research on the Native American tradition of copyright.

  67. Anomalous   9 years ago

    Dr. Keene is attractive. I would love to take her to a Redskins game.

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      I'm sure she'd be all hot and bothered in no time.

  68. Antisocialist   9 years ago

    "That's straight up colonialism/appropriation," wrote Dr. Adrienne Keene, an academic and member of the Cherokee Nation, on Twitter.

    The only proper Twitter reply from Rowling: And Loving It!

  69. Sigivald   9 years ago

    [...] understand the depths to the harm this causes, while not crossing boundaries and taboos of culture. What did I decide? That you don't need to know. It's not for you to know. I am performing a refusal.

    Harm caused to natives who are not academic grievance-artists?

    Zero.

    (Respect for someone who just pouts off about how it's harmful and how they're "performing a refusal" to explain how it's harmful?

    Negative; not only zero respect but active disrespect; this behavior is the opposite of intellectual behavior, which is ironic from someone claiming authority from academic credentials.)

  70. JeremyR   9 years ago

    This is one of the nuttier things about the left. To them, all religion is actually correct, except Christianity.

  71. Eman   9 years ago

    So you're supposed to be like "no, I won't have anything to do with that. that's native american stuff."? that doesnt seem racist.

  72. Agammamon   9 years ago

    Keep in mind: they're arguing over the details of a story that features a magic boy who talks to snakes and rides a broomstick and battles dragons.

    There's been a metric butt-ton of blood shed over the details of a story that features a magic immortal fisherman who talks to the Devil.

  73. Dinerboy   9 years ago

    So, does this mean that everyone who's ever worked on the Thor comic books and movies who's not of Scandinavian ethnic origin is also guilty of cultural appropriation?

    Or does this bit of nonsense only apply to favored minority groups?

  74. DarrenM   9 years ago

    This is so stupid. Every "ethnic tradition" draws from a previous tradition, from values of and practices by other ethnicities/cultures/groups (however these might be defined). Keene and other lamebrains seem to think every tradition or culture sprouts up fully formed from thin air.

  75. Toner Cartridge   9 years ago

    Who is this person who is misappropriating my English Language and my culture to spread her nonsense?

  76. MJBinAL   9 years ago

    See, we can ' even do genocide right, we didn't get then all.
    Pity.

  77. The Other Libertarian   9 years ago

    ""That's straight up colonialism/appropriation," wrote Dr. Adrienne Keene, an academic and member of the Cherokee Nation, on Twitter. '

    Well perhaps she would like to stop appropriating the written English language and instead use that of her Cherokee Nation. After all, somebody when to a lot of trouble to make it a written language. I wonder if she's even bothered to learn or, or does she just "straight up" appropriate English all the time.

  78. Rockabilly   9 years ago

    Alert Central Committee = sub/section = Cultural Appropriation Crimes Unit !!!

  79. Jayburd   9 years ago

    Which brings us to reparations.

  80. n00bdragon   9 years ago

    "It would be one thing if Rowling's depictions of Native Americans were offensive, or racist."

    No, it wouldn't. If the Harry Potter books were all racist screeds calling for genocide from cover to cover it would not, as you say, be "one thing". They might fall afoul of one of those backwards British anti-hate laws if they did, but nothing would warrant some college ditz deciding who is allowed to talk about skinwalkers or whatever.

  81. Arroway   9 years ago

    Guyssss...this is really not okay. You persistently fail to understand the airtight logic:

    It's not appropriation when a minority uses elements from the dominant culture because it was forced on them and they had their actual culture forcibly taken away. This, along with any other claims made by social justice warriors may change without explanation or notice. And, no, you cannot ask why. Argumentation will not be entertained. Assertions will be made, and the only appropriate reaction on your part is silent compliance. Why is this so fucking hard?

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