Hillary Clinton

Clinton vs. Trump

The good news is one would lose.

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The first time I looked at the website for Either, "the world's largest game of would you rather questions," this was the dilemma at the top of the page: "Would you rather be stabbed in the stomach 10 times or shot in both kneecaps?" That is pretty much how I feel about the increasingly plausible prospect that Americans voting for their next president this fall will be asked to choose between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

For sheer entertainment value, Trump is the obvious choice. Consider his solution to the "drug epidemic," which he presents in a 43-second campaign video.

"I'm going to create borders," says the billionaire reality TV star. "No drugs are coming in. We're gonna build a wall. You know what I'm talking about. You have confidence in me. Believe me, I will solve the problem."

That is Trump's campaign in a nutshell: Whatever the problem, he will solve it, because he is a problem solver. But Clinton is no slouch when it comes to pie-in-the-sky promises either.

While Trump promises to "get rid of ISIS," Clinton promises to "defeat ISIS and global terrorism and the ideologies that drive it." While Trump says he will be "the greatest jobs-creating president that God ever created," Clinton says she will "create good-paying jobs and get pay rising by investing in infrastructure, clean energy, and scientific and medical research."

In addition to grandiosity, Trump and Clinton share the same authoritarian instincts, which lead them to sacrifice civil liberties in the name of national security. Clinton has never seemed very concerned about the government's mass collection of telephone records, which Trump supports, and both want to fight terrorism by attacking online speech.

Trump's defense of the right to armed self-defense may be his biggest advantage over Clinton, who promises a bunch of new gun restrictions without so much as mentioning the Second Amendment. Trump, who used to support waiting periods for gun purchases and a federal ban on so-called assault weapons, may not be completely sincere on this subject. But assuming the next president gets to pick a replacement for Antonin Scalia, Trump is more likely than Clinton to choose a justice who will continue to enforce constitutional restrictions on gun control.

Clinton is clearly better than Trump on immigration. Almost anyone would be, since Trump's idea of "immigration reform" involves the aforementioned wall, on which he would post a "No Muslims Allowed" sign and through which he would deport 11 million unauthorized residents. Clinton also seems more inclined to support criminal justice reform, although her interest in that issue is relatively recent.

Unlike Trump, who at least claims to be worried about the national debt, Clinton evinces no concern about the size of government. Her campaign website highlights 28 alphabetized issues, ranging from "Alzheimer's disease" (which she opposes) to "workforce and skills" (which she supports). Someone who casually declares that "affordable health care is a basic human right" and promises to "end" drug and alcohol addiction "once and for all" clearly does not have much respect for reality, let alone limits on government.

That goes for foreign as well as domestic policy. Clinton, who did not admit the Iraq war was as mistake until 2014, cites the Obama administration's intervention in Libya, which likewise replaced a dictator with chaos and strengthened terrorists in the process, as a paradigmatic example of "smart power." Trump, who turned against the Iraq war a decade sooner and criticizes the toppling of Libyan strongman Muammar al-Qaddafi (which he initially supported), may be slightly more cautious about foreign entanglements.

Since Trump has never held public office and seems to have few firm beliefs about anything aside from his own unparalleled competence, it's hard to predict what he would do as president. Clinton, by contrast, has a long, almost uniformly awful record of public service. Whether Americans decide to be stabbed in the stomach or shot in the kneecaps, the consequences will be painful.

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96 responses to “Clinton vs. Trump

  1. Vermin supreme, his “free ponies” idea is more economically sustainable than either Trump’s or Clinton’s policy and he has the only Zombie Preparedness plan, which means he’s focused on something far more likely to destory America than the “threats” the others have our military focused on.

    1. And Vermin would not even have to raise taxes to do it, because those ponies are free !!!! =D

      Vermin Supreme 2016 !!!

  2. The article states, “he (Trump) would deport 11 million unauthorized residents.” Whatever happened to the perfectly good term, “illegal aliens”? Talk about PC overkill! When will the nonsense end? Otherwise, great article. Thanks.

    1. I actually heard someone say that “they’re not little green people, so they shouldn’t be called aliens.” I pointed out the dictionary definition of “alien” and she shut up.

      1. Why am I not surprised it was a she?

        1. Because you are a sexist.

          Always assume everyone evil is a “cis-gendered, salmon-shorts-and-baseball-cap, white male shitlord” unless proven otherwise. And then, if reality doesn’t match your preconceived notions of reality, simply make up some shit about Stockholm Syndrome or something that sounds scientific-ey, until the bad-think goes away.

      2. Huh. I honestly had no idea “a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization” was the first definition for “alien” (at least according to dictionary.com). I think that means I watch too much sci-fi.

    2. They are called “unregistered democrats.”

    3. How true! I’ve noticed that a lot of supposedly conservative writers have started using the PC-terms “undocumented immigrants” or “unauthorized residents.”

      By succumbing to the left’s intentional reframing of the term Illegal alien into a euphemism, those conservatives have already lost the philosophical war of ideas.

      It is the same as if we started calling rape “uninvited lovemaking” or a stabbing-to-death “insertion of object through the epidermis leading to expiration.”

    4. “Wah! They aren’t using my preferred pejorative!”

      Christ you people are the whiniest cunts.

  3. Another trump positive…. The first lady would be a looker for the first time in a long time!

    1. Wouldn’t he also be the first president who was on his third wife?

    2. And the first daughter! Yowza!

      The Trumps could be the new Kennedys.

      The times, they are a changing back.

  4. everything donald trump has put forward about his “policies” or whatever is pretty meaningless. he’s never actually been in office, and X the elected politician never, ever bears any relation to X the candidate. we absolutely KNOW how terrible clinton would be, but as unappealing as trump is we don’t actually have any idea what he would do as president (im just guessing here but it probably wont involve building a wall on the southern border).

    1. But, it could be even worse than we imagine…

      1. true. it sure would be surprising if a pol got more libertarian for the general election though. bigger government is that legendary “common ground” sometimes spoken of.

      2. Trump *could be* even worse then we can imagine, but Hillary is *certain* to be.

        1. No. There’s really no reason to believe that. She’s a crook. He’s a bigger crook, and a fascist.

    2. He praised TARP, the stimulus, and the auto bailouts (in addition to the ideas behind Obamacare). So that certainly shouldn’t be comforting.

      1. Stop it! My worst fears can’t take this Rollercoaster any longer. Just when they seem to “stabilize” some rationale sets the room to spinning again!

        *extends one foot from under the covers to touch the floor. Again.*

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  6. Assuming urgent medical care, including an excellent trauma surgeon and blood bank supply, was immediately available, I think I’d choose the stomach stabbing over the kneecap shooting — if only because the knee-capping would likely leave me unable to ever walk again.

    In a similar vein, assuming he would not disband Congress and that he would have a functioning cabinet not made up entirely of morons, and that the combination of the two could put the brakes on at least some of Trump’s most disastrous ideas from going into effect, I’d rather see Trump.

    Why? Because whatever else you can say about him, he does not have an actual record of deliberately committing criminal acts and then hiding behind barefaced lies that insult everyone’s intelligence. And, even as egotistical as he is, he doesn’t quite exude a sense that he should rule by divine right.

    1. Well put. Trump’s rise is depressing, but marginally less depressing than the thought of President Hillary. We *know* she is a criminal. Trump is more of a mystery. Maybe he would start World War III. Maybe he would be a surprisingly competent technocrat type of president. (Not betting on that latter one, but you never know). Point being, if absolutely forced to choose, I’d go with the devil I don’t know in this case.

      1. That’s how I feel. I cannot vote for Hillary and allow the SJW, constitution shredding, hyper PC, deficit spending, unicorns and rainbows left have another four or eight years.

      2. This is like going for Hugo Chavez in 1997.

    2. He had the government steal land from a lady for one his casinos. That’s criminal right there.

  7. Now that I know Hillary is opposed to Alzheimer’s, I may have to rethink my my low opinion of her. Anyone know her stand on athlete’s foot?

    1. oh man she’s been a shill for big athletes foot for years. get educated.

    2. Given her age and the diagnosis of the only president who was older than she is when he was inaugurated, I’d think she would not want to remind people of Alzheimer’s at all. But, good political instincts and self-awareness are two things her millions can’t buy her.

    3. “Whatever it is, I’m against it!” – Professor Wagstaff (Groucho Marx).

    4. She’s Pro Athlete’s Foot for conservatives, libertarians and “those nasty tea baggers.”

      “But I’ve opposed athlete’s foot for progressives since I was in college,” she explained.

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  9. in other words their campaigns are no different than any presidents in the past. I don’t like much of Trump but I have to vote against Hillary, she scares me more than Obama

    1. Ive re thought this as a Californian my conservative libertarian leaning votes are undermined by the rest of California and the electorial college system, in essence my vote does not matter in the presidential race so I will vote for the best man of any party unfortunately there is no one of any party so i’m not voting. first time in my life.

      1. Don’t blame ya.

        1. My state can swing blue or red, and I don’t want it to swing blue, so I’m voting. I voted Gary Johnson last time, but I’m getting more and more sure I’m voting for whoever of the Repub will be. Looking like Trump. I guess hell froze over.

      2. Wow. I do not underestimate what thought process led you to this decision. Do not despair ( easy to say). There ARE larger forces at work here.
        It will balance at some point. That’s life. Even the worst of us Americsns come around somewhat when we realize there is no counter. We all recognize it’s importance, but throw our weight around when we think we have room to spare. I hope.

  10. A decade from now, each of us will look back and remember the first time that they realized that Donald Trump could actually, really, truly end up being the next President, for realz.

    All it took was the final collapse of the Republican party and their satanic alliance with the evangelicals and the racists and the Democrats’ lemming-like march to line up behind one of the worst politicians in history as their standard-bearer.

    I oppose just about everything he stands for – closed minds, closed markets, closed borders. But never in my lifetime (born in ’66), or my parent’s lifetimes, have I ever seen such an outsider get serious consideration. Perot? Maybe, if he hadn’t gone insane and dropped out then jumped back in. But he faced legitimate opposition – a well-credentialed incumbent and a charismatic young governor. Trump is running against the weakest field in memory – and the fields have been notoriously weak of late.

    I’m never going to vote for him, I’ll never contribute to the campaign, but if it is him versus Hillary I will cheer for him wholeheartedly as he drags her into the mud with him and, unlike past opponents, pulls no punches with regard to her decades long history of corruption and deceit. And I will be thoroughly entertained the entire time.

    1. Trump is running against the weakest field in memory – and the fields have been notoriously weak of late.

      By the usual standards, this was the strongest Republican field in my lifetime.

      3 governors of medium to large states who actually accomplished things. A libertarian senator. A constitutionalist senator with extensive legal experience.

  11. BTW the Trump position as far as I can ascertain it is “No unvetted Muslims”. “Mexicans should come in legally”

    Remember Milton Friedman? “You can’t have open borders AND a welfare state.”

    He couches what positions he has on a subject in a way that garners maximum headlines. Clever boy. They are usually not quite as extreme as portrayed. But he knows how to go for those clicks, eyeballs, ears, mindshare.

    His position on cannabis is marginal, “Medical? Yeah. No recreational legalization” But that is likely to be overtaken by events. What I would like to see is, “No cartels. Legal or illegal.” It may be a while. We may need some more old fart die offs. 2020?

    1. Hey. This is “Reason”! You’re not allowed to question open borders. What are you, some kind of racist or something?

      Frankly, I’d like to see a flexible immigration system where it’s tied to a “categorized” unemployment number, and no welfare. That is, if unemployment for scientists is very low, but for short order cooks it’s very high… invite more scientists in, not short order cooks.

      Just having open borders leaves you open for invasion. The EU is figuring that out now.

      1. But see, Milton Friedman was right! So obviously, we need to get rid of the welfare state. Why do you want to maintain the welfare state?

        1. I don’t know if that was a joke or not. If not, read on.

          For the life of me, I can’t see anywhere in my post where I said I want to maintain the welfare state.

          I did write “and no welfare”. The context of that statement implies only people who come accross an open border, but I’m totally on board with no welfare of any kind, if we can ever get there.

          I guess I didn’t state this clearly, but I think all immigration should be legal. So, yes. Build the wall. That’s against the Libertarian Open Borders principle, I know, but I’m not a Libertarian. Open borders sounds great, but in the real world, there’s a lot of people that would love to walk in and take total control of everything. Resources, Government, Military, our lives. I’d prefer to keep track of who wants to come here and have the option to say “NO”.

          When we do need workers with a certain skill which cannon be found domestically, by all means vet others, and let them in. But just letting people come in who immediately have their hand out for government assistance is not solving the problem of getting that skilled worker. It just gives more power to the state.

          To summarize… No to open borders, Yes to guest workers if the skills cannot be found here, and No to all welfare.

          1. “Yes to guest workers if the skills cannot be found here”

            That’s stupid. Domestic labor isn’t inherently better than foreign labor. If some guy from freaking Swaziland is better at carpentry than the guy next door and is willing to come over, I’d prefer to employ the Swazi. I don’t fucking OWE the guy next door my business just because his mom had the good sense to pop him out over a certain patch of land.

            The American in my example isn’t ENTITLED to my business, and if he wants it, then he should do his job BETTER rather than bitching about how I shouldn’t be allowed to employ his competition. I don’t care if they have the same skillset, if one is more qualified than the other, fuck the less qualified guy, regardless of his nationality.

            We shouldn’t have to settle for shitty services if there are better ones out there just because the worse services are “American”. We should be able to get the best we can in life, without interference by people concerned about the piece of dirt beneath a baby when it’s born.

            1. ” Domestic labor isn’t inherently better than foreign labor.”

              No, but they are US citizens, and you will be supporting them in their unemployment, unlike unemployed Mexicans who stay in Mexico.

              1. So what? It’s not my job to employ my fellow countrymen.

          2. Good. The anti-prohibitionist Liberal Party Platform published 1931 said NO to communism or the dole in any form, and called for tariff reductions. Also, “Especially do we call for a policy of reduction in public expenditures in States, cities, and counties, where the burdens of taxation now amount almost to the confiscation of property and the resulting impoverishment of individuals and corporations.” This is important because the Federal government has been shrinking lately but state and muni are biting off increasing fractions of GDP.

    2. MSimon. I want to hear more from you.

    3. “Remember Milton Friedman? ‘You can’t have open borders AND a welfare state.'”

      Totally agree. Now why are we so obsessed with keeping the welfare state and no the other one??

    4. BTW the Trump position as far as I can ascertain it is “No unvetted Muslims”. “Mexicans should come in legally”

      Everyone remembers Trump’s Wall, but few remember the Big Door he plans to put in it. How big? Will we just end up with all the same immigrants, *and* a Big Wall with the Big Door?

  12. On the upside, Clinton and Trump being the nominees would create hundreds of new voters willing to support a third party for the first time.

    And yes, using “hundreds” instead of a larger number was a joke, but a sad one.

      1. Maybe even tens of hundreds, if we’re lucky and the stars are aligned just the right way to allow the summoning of Lb’rthomuim, the Dark Elder God of Limited Government.

      2. This is my gut feeling. No matter who wins in 2016, people will turn Libertarian in our lifetime. My concern is which of the two parties will adopt the “neo” Libertarian position as their own.

        1. I’d bet on the Dems, because the word liberal means gelded libertarian, not “jewish communist” which is the meaning the Republicans copied from German National Socialists and assigned it after 1932. Before 1932 nobody but Germans made “liberal” an epithet, and certainly never an euphemism for communist. If we quit calling looters liberals, we will attract true liberals. We will never attract conservatives for the same reasons we will never attract Sharia law mohammedans, national socialists or communists.

    1. I am more optimistic. Trump and Bernie are both infiltrators, so even looter voters are disillusioned with looter soft machines. We should be helping out those busted for victimless bullshit, then ask, like Plunkitt: “can I count on your vote?” Once we get 5% of the vote anything within 2% of the difference between winner and loser PARTY, we’ll change the laws even more quickly than is happening now. That’s how it’s worked these past 50 presidential elections.

  13. Would you rather be stabbed in the stomach 10 times or shot in both kneecaps?

    Genius of the “and” rather than the tyranny of the “or,” mang.

    1. I will take option “C”… neither stabbed nor shot in the knees. I will vote for one of the OTHER parties. One that’s running a candidate more in line with my political beliefs.

      1. Well yeah. Except I HATE Clinton wit a Purple Passion.

        I voted Libertarian last time. And a few times before (Ron Paul ’88, Harry Browne 2000).

        This time I want to vote AGAINST a candidate. I mean can you Imagine? A vaudeville comedian could be our next President. A certified clown.

        1. I understand your point. My problem is that I live in New Jersey. I could vote for the Repug 10 times and New Jersey would still go for the Democrat. I’m moving out soon, but for now, my vote is meaningless.

          I could have voted for Rand with a pretty clear conscience. I could even hold my nose long enough to vote for Ted. But TRUMP? I have more dignity than that.

          So since my vote wont matter either way, I get to vote for the person that best represents my beliefs… which are close to Libertarian.

          1. My problem is that I live in New Jersey. I could vote for the Repug 10 time

            In Joisey, I’m sure you could vote for the Dem 10 times, but could you vote for the Repug 10 times? I doubt it.

        2. Before there was an LP all I did was vote “contra.” It doesn’t help because the other looters take that to be “for” their criminal incompetence.

    2. You know ‘or’ can be inclusive or exclusive.

      1. Don’t bring formal logic into a thread about Trump v Hillary. I now want to write a book called “The Art of Taming the Shrew: How Trump defeated Clinton” of course it would mean President Trump, but at least I would amuse myself with the title.

  14. …enforce constitutional restrictions on gun control.

    We just need some common sense gun control control in this country.

    1. We just need some common sense in this country.

      Fixed it for you.

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  16. he would post a “No Muslims Allowed” sign

    Ohhhhh noes, not that!

    1. Indeed, not that. It’s not the USG’s position to indulge your neurosis.

  17. “Trump, who turned against the Iraq war a decade sooner and criticizes the toppling of Libyan strongman Muammar al-Qaddafi (which he initially supported), may be slightly more cautious about foreign entanglements.”

    This election cycle has at least given me a source of fun: Asking my Hillary-supporting friends why “they choose to support a candidate objectively more pro-war than Donald Trump” and watching them squirm.

  18. Clinton is clearly better than Trump on immigration.

    If you’re a Progressitarian.

    If not, importing millions of votes for big government may not seem like such a wonderful thing to you.

    1. “importing millions of votes for big government may not seem like such a wonderful thing to you.”

      That’s a fucking lie. There is no evidence that immigration into America is leading to bigger government.

  19. Since we really don’t know what Trump would actually do, the whole article is pretty silly. Trump changes his mind all the time. He exaggerates and he tells people what they want to hear. The number of things he was for because he was against is large.

    About all we can confidently predict is that he will do whatever it takes to satisfy his heeeeuugh ego.

  20. “The good news is one would lose.”
    The glass is half full – of infected urine.

  21. All the recent elections have boiled down to “Would you like to be stabbed or would you like to be shot?” choices.

    Mc(can’t fly)Cain or Obozo?
    Obozo or Romulaney?
    Shrubble-you or Algore
    Shrubble-you or “I shot myself for a purple heart” Kerry?
    Klinton or Bushie?
    Klinton or on the Dole?
    Bushie or Dukakis? (Dukakis? Really?)

    So this election won’t be any different – except one of the candidates may stand the political establishment on its ear. Electing Trump would send a big fat, “Fuck you!” to the political elites – both Demoncrap and Republitard. Electing Hitlery would say, “we surrender our freedom, our future, our lives and our minds to the machine that is the American police state”.

    “Fuck you!” or “We surrender!”?? Easy choice for me. I’d rather be shot.

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  25. The better choice is pretty fucking obviously Clinton because she won’t start WW3 or a new Great Depression. Anyone who says otherwise is not a remotely serious thinker.

  26. Yeah, this article pretty much sums up my feelings on the election.

    Clinton = the status quo + a much more annoying person in the White House

    I disagree with Obama, but I don’t despise him as a person. I despise Hillary.

    Trump = who the fuck knows?

    Seriously, I’m less worried about the wall then the fact that he thinks a 45% tariff on imports is a good idea. Great idea, if you want another global Depression.

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  30. I never understood how open borders is supposedly a libertarian policy. Can someone explain that to me? And I mean libertarian as in philosophy of rights and government, not the political party.

    1. I’d like to add that to me, border policy is something to be debated and can go either way. it’s part of the democratic process within a constitutional republic. Just as it is up to you who can come in and out of your house. it can be open or closed completely.

      1. And when i say closed, I mean closed to people on the outside. not closed to people leaving. I’m sure that’s obvious. btw why is there no edit button on this website?

    2. I’ll try. TANSTAFFL and a free market results AFTER rights are secured, ergo the securing has to be paid for (if A then B). Traditionally this happened during customs inspection to ensure no anthrax, ebola, sarin, H-bombs, mohammedans wearing suicide vests, etc. come in and the revenue-only tariff paid for the federal defense of rights (A, ergo B). The commie income tax of 1848 added another layer on top of that one. I believe the tariff alone is better than both, and it’s “easier” to get rid of the commie tax first than both at once. So a tariff and screening at borders both make sense until something better comes along. LP 2014 plank 3.4 commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent when it reverses causality (B, ergo A) and violates TANSTAAFL. I wish the LP would drop that plank and either drop the abortion straddle plank or have the guts to defend the individual rights of pregnant women. The platform is 178% the size of the 1932 Democratic platform, and better to delete than keep bad content. We cannot afford to have logical fallacies or pander to anti-constitutional mystical fanaticism ignorant of population biology in the platform. The Millennial Caucus wants the “conspiracy” plank at the bottom deleted, which sounds good to me.

    3. Libertarians believe that the initiation of force is wrong. If your neighbor invites you onto his property, which happens to be on the other side of national border, why should the government initiate the use of force to stop you?

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