Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Nevada, and the Silent Armies of the Non-Voting
Rosie Gray at Buzzfeed reports from Nevada, where Ron Paul fans have had an outsized influence on the state Party, to find that it seems many of his old supporters can't see fit to go to Cruz (as many of them seemed to in Iowa) or Trump (as many seemed to in New Hampshire).
Many of them, she reports, are in fact still working hard to get voters to caucus for Rand Paul, even though he's suspended his campaign.
Gray did find one ex-Paul operative, Carl Bunce, who is for Cruz now. He told Gray
that he was trying to get others on board, but that it was slow going; loyalty to the Paul family is still high, and many say they won't back another candidate.
"The liberty movement is a bit fractured at the moment," Bunce said.
Cruz's campaign manager didn't want to say they are going out of their way to pick up Rand's leftovers:
"I don't know that we fundamentally change our strategy that much more," Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe told reporters on Saturday, the night of the South Carolina primary, when asked if libertarians were the linchpin of the campaign's Nevada strategy. "It's a lot different race now because of tonight and because of people getting out of the race and who's actually invested in that state."
Lacking real rigorous polling, we are only making educated guesses as to where the "Paul vote" went. If it's true as one poll indicated that New Hampshire saw only around 15 percent of first-time GOP primary voters, it seems hard to avoid the conclusion that many people who voted for Ron Paul in 2012 inexplicably (from a libertarian mindset) went for Trump.
However, it is always worth keeping in the front of your mind when talking about where any potential vote goes that for the majority of potential voters in a primary (or caucus), the most popular choice is to not vote at all.
In my rough empiricism from communicating with hundreds of serious Paul fans in 2008 and 2012, from the ranks of the previously non-voting is where a lot of "the Paul vote" came.
It could well be that in Nevada at least, Ted Cruz is not a strong enough force to keep them from returning there.
Bunce hopes that's not the case, and wants the liberty minded to keep themselves in the GOP game:
"It's important for us to participate so we can retain that influence within the party," Bunce said. "If we step out for two years, it's a bunch of Trumpholes taking over. If we back out and don't find someone to support and participate in the county conventions, in the state conventions, we will be left out in the cold."
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Cruz's campaign manager didn't want to say they are going out of their way to pick up Rand's leftovers:
"I don't know that we fundamentally change our strategy that much more," Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe told reporters on Saturday, the night of the South Carolina primary, when asked if libertarians were the linchpin of the campaign's Nevada strategy. "It's a lot different race now because of tonight and because of people getting out of the race and who's actually invested in that state."
Not sure if Rand's leftovers would be worth a major change in strategy, given what I'm seeing in this race.
Rand was polling in the low single digits in Nevada so no, I can't imagine they're worth altering strategy for either.
2016 is making it clear that Ron Paul was less the liberty candidate in 2012 than he was the anti-establishment guy that Trump has taken the mantle of with much more effective results.
And now I'm sad.
Yeah, that seems very likely.
They don't give a fuck about liberty. They only care that it's not more of the same. To the point that they'll vote for a complete moron.
This explains how Bernie picked up so many Paul supporters.
Definitely. I ran a country Ron Paul group, and I was amazed at the number of non-libertarians involved.
I AM A SILENT ARMY OF ONE. A wolfpack, really.
Fry: What party do you belong to, Bender?
Bender: I'm not allowed to vote.
Fry: 'Cause you're a robot?
Bender: No, convicted felon.
Jack Johnson: It's time for someone who has the courage to stand up and say,
[slams his fist on the podium]
Jack Johnson: I'm against those things that everybody hates!
John Jackson: Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But quite frankly...
[slams his fist on the podium]
John Jackson: I agree with everything he just said.
"Bodies are for hookers and fat people."
Nobody likes a fat man except his grocer and tailor.
Oh, Bender, I've been down that road. I know it's glamorous and the parties are great but you'll end up spending every dollar you make on jewellery and skintight pants.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Why in the fuck would they do that?
Because inertia is a powerful force.
Totalitarians to the right and socialists to the left. The libertarian moment is six feet below in the dirt.
It's totalitarians on the left too.
It's totalitarians all the way down.
Not six feet down... Where you'll find the libertarian moment.
I got the feeling that something ain't right.
totalitarians all the way down
fuck, i need to refresh once in a blue moon
I think for the time being it's authoritarians to the right and totalitarians to the left. The right wants absolute security and control over particular activities they consider socially unhygenic; the left wants to own you, body, mind, and soul.
Because it works, as demonstrated by the appointment of Clint Bolick to the Arizona Supreme Court and other libertarian reforms at the state level.
Well, when the GOP starts running some libertarian candidates, at any level, they'll get my vote. Until then, they can pound sand.
Way to move those goalposts. Have fun pounding your soapbox. The Adults like myself will get things done, as usual.
Is that adults with a capital "A"?
You are so cute. I just want to pinch your little cheeks.
You stand on a soapbox. And what does that even mean?
"It's important for us to participate so we can retain that influence within the party," Bunce said.
Oh, Carl. Try to assert your influence over the GOP with Cruz as president. You can't even get him to stay on track during the primary campaign.
"It's important for us to participate so we can retain that influence within the party," Bunce said. "If we step out for two years, it's a bunch of Trumpholes taking over. If we back out and don't find someone to support and participate in the county conventions, in the state conventions, we will be left out in the cold."
Libertarian moment. It's somewhere in there.
"Trumpholes" - that's a new one. I'm still kind of partial to "Trumpaloes", though.
I am Trumpholio!
You must learn to love the 1000 year Trumpenreich.
Trumplestiltskins knows where to find you otherwise.
Trumplestiltskins knows where to find you otherwise.
Highly fashionable male mammal rocks out Trump gear...and is dissapointed at his peers response. Also surprise Whoopi Goldberg cameo, RTFA for more.
http://mashable.com/2016/02/23.....ZAIoagkkqR
That is exactly how Gilmore was dressed yesterday.
That is literally exactly me in every way if only Toshiro Mifune had been my dad like I've always dreamed he should have been
Exactly.
Feel shame at never seeing such wonderfulness joy until today.
*Plunges and twists knife in abdomen*
This is how you know certain aspects of human experience are universal - when you look at Toshiro Mifune and complete identify with him (his character).
He was the tits.
""Dude, that's not even funny," an editor from InStyle said. "It's not cute what you're trying to do. That man could be president! Literally, you're dumb for doing that."
OMG LOL BURN
THE EDGY, IT BURNS
"This country was founded upon a mix of differing ideologies. Its very foundation, in fact, is freedom of speech. The beauty of America is that it's wide open and diverse, in color, creed and convictions. And no matter what you believe in, it's never appropriate to tell someone their opinions are wrong"
SMILEY FACE THUMBS UP WINNING HUGS
Pretty daring to tweak the groupthink like that. Bet he's on a list or two now.
Oh, with comments like this:
It's virtually guaranteed he is.
Damn that guy for leaving the plantation (or whatever the Chinese/Korean equivalent is)
"While each had their own opinions, I was a little disappointed at their very narrow reactions."
I, for one, am shocked that a bunch of hipster fashionistas had such narrow reactions.
OT: This fucken cunt still wrote books?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kee_MacFarlane
"MacFarlane went on to testify in front of the United States Congress that she believed there was an organized, nationwide conspiracy of individuals and "orthodox satanic groups" sexually abusing children, although she never presented evidence of who any of the individuals are nor proof of any orthodox satanic group."
Question is: Was Playa one of the children?
Playa was not one of the children, if I remember correctly. Of course, would he admit it if he was?
Not sure. There has to be a source for him being an asshole, no?
You really like punishment, don't you?
It's a fetish.
Maybe he's just a natural born asshole? It happens.
Well, everyone is born with an asshole. Even Hillary Clinton.
Hillary wasn't born with an asshole, she married that asshole.
I have pics, if you're interested...
You're going to link to goatse, aren't you.
NO. I am not predictable.
Rickroll
Save them for Crusty.
Or maybe when a subliterate French Canadian Yokel catches me when I'm in a bad mood, he should shut the fuck up and try another day,.
Whoa! I haven't been around here much lately. Bad blood between you and Rufus?
I have no opinion.
Don't ask, just place bets. I have $50 on Playa, KO by round 3.
Bastard. I see Playa trained you well.
No. Like I said, I'm in a bad mood. It's been a long day, and this isn't cute.
You two! Don't make me come in there!
Not that I'm aware of. Just the usual 'playful banter' on my part. But I don't have ESP.
BUT I'M NOT FRENCH CANADIAN!
Playa, the bad day will pass.
I promise.
You can't possibly claim that English is your first language.
Ah, there's the Playa I've come to know and love.
I speak and write three languages - terribly.
YOU MOCKING ME IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
Doesn't sound like Playa's the asshole.
My God. ONE DAY I decide to horse around...
Did you learn nothing from the wimminz thread this morning?
No. I wasn't around much today.
I should be on someone's newsletter to keep me up to speed.
Catholic church?
+1 hot altar boy
Maybe Cruz can snag some last-minute libertarian votes by applauding Judge Kearney's cop-photo ruling from earlier today.
I will vote GOP to assert influence within the party. After that, I'll piss in the ocean to turn it yellow.
Cuz nothin asserts influence like telling the Republicans they have your vote regardless.
Feel like you can come to me, GOP. Yeah, I'm gonna turn you in. This ain't Dexter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0fXKu1hUA
It might be for much of the same reason people seem attracted to Sanders on the Democrat side - Ron Paul, Trump, Sanders all have the message the the establishment sucks and they'll overturn the status quo to bring about . . . whatever. Then end of racism.
Rand Paul by contrast has been explicitly working inside the establishment framework running as a voice of 'reform'.
"Overturning the establishment" isn't a popular idea 'round these parts. Good governance and progressive solidarity-signalling is where it's at.
Fuck off.
He was kidding, dumbass.
No he wasn't.
"...we will be left out in the cold."
As opposed to being a midget stripper twerking baggies from her tiny taco for smug GOP operatives?
Go on...
In the GOP nomination process the only option for defenders of liberty is to promote the candidate who promotes limits on government growth. Not because they have a chance of being nominated but because the act of voting is information that guides the future of the party and of candidates. When limited government candidates receive primary votes the value of the defense of liberty to "likely" GOP voters has been demonstrated. If votes go to a "bandwagon" candidate or to the "lesser of evils" then no useful information about the voter's preferences regarding future party decisions and future candidate characteristics has been provided. They might as well just stay home.
Only option, guys.
The only one.
Well, I guess that settles it then.
More or less this.
In other words, if you use your vote during the nomination process to promote Candidates who will grow government you are doing the opposite of defending liberty. Actions have consequences. You can't claim to be a defender of liberty while acting in the real world to promote oppression.
A lot of Ron Paul's supporters were involved in the GOP nomination process before Dr. Paul's run. His limited government principles were like an oasis to the long suffering GOP defenders of liberty against government growth.
And a lot of them came off their couches to join public spectacles as they are programmed to do by our culture and our public schools. A small number of the newbie participated in the nomination process inside the party as well as in public spectacles. Most of them were only arm chair supports who would cast a "FOR" vote in a general election should he be nominated but they were not willing to do more. Most Libertarians remained in the LP. Most non-participants remained non-participants. Most of the bandwagon jumpers went back to whatever they were doing before Ron Paul. Hardly anything at all changed. That's OK though. The defense of liberty must be successful despite the behavior of those who don't understand the relationship between their political behavior today and the growth of oppression tomorrow. They can't help defend liberty today...but they can change. I hope they do.
Burn it all down! All remaining candidates are the final punch line to the America joke. Time to start researching black markets and faking ones own death
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I can't believe what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up "money laundering" in a dictionary.
My cousin is a coke head...
Rand Paul ended up with 0.2% of the vote, LOL.
Enough is enough. I just re-registred a Decline to State. I gave the Republicans eight years to change, and while at times it appeared that they may have moved a milimeter or so on occasion, the rapidity of the Trump takeover is enough. The party is irreparably damaged.
No, I'm not going with the Dumbocrats. And no, I'm not going with batshit crazy conspiratards over at the LP. I'm done with the party thing.
I am hoping all of this means that Trump will be the Republican nominee and Hillary will be the Democrat nominee. Any intelligent person will not go for either of them and will switch to anything but them. Another month or so we will start hearing more about third parties because they will start promoting their choice of party that will be the opposing either of the main parties. Most likely the Green Party. You know the one that ruined Hillary's presidential run last time. Well what I am hoping is either the Libertarian Party or Constitution party gets a big lift. In my opinion there will be more undecided this time around than any other time. The only reason being there will be so many is because of who got the nominees. Which means any party out there will have a good chance. So for now they are helping Trump but in the end they will back a totally different party.
which party? i think everyone, at this point, is just focused on keeping the wrong lizard from winning.