Soda Taxes

Is Mexico's Soda Tax Really Working?

Can we really say taxes that reduce consumption but aren't reducing obesity are effective?


Credit: Waldo Jaquith / photo on flickr

Mexico has become the most obese country in the world. In a purported effort to combat the problem, the country implemented a one-peso-per-liter excise tax on sugar-sweetened beverages in January 2014.

That tax, supporters claim, is working.

A 2015 working paper by University of Chicago Prof. Jeffrey Grogger found that Mexico's soda taxes raised sugar-sweetened beverage prices by approximately 10 percent.

More recently, a study published last month in the British Medical Journal found between a 6- and 12-percent reduction in purchases of sugary drinks after the law's passage.

That study was funded by Bloomberg Philanthropies—which also provided $10 million to push Mexico to adopt the soda tax in the first place—and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which supports soda taxes.

It's no surprise that a tax on sugary drinks might cut into consumption of those drinks. But there's never been any reason to believe that, say, a 10-percent decrease in the small percentage of the calories people consume (soda accounts generally for around 5 percent) would result in decreases in obesity levels, or in calories consumed.

While the BMJ study notes that "humans do not reduce food intake when consuming caloric beverages"—based on research that shows sugar calories consumed in liquid form don't make people feel full—it's reasonable to conclude that humans also don't reduce caloric intake when not consuming caloric beverages.

They're simply more likely to consume other calories.

"Soda and candy taxes do not necessarily decrease caloric intake," reports the Tax Foundation, which has studied the issue. "One recent study finds that when adolescents switch away from soda due to price increases, the drop in calories is offset by an increase in calories consumed in other food and drink."

Not surprisingly, while the BMJ study shows a reduction in soda consumption, the results aren't crystal clear. For example, the study also indicates bottled-water sales are down by four percent. In a country without adequate sources of clean water, that's a public-health issue.

Critics have blasted the tax. The American Beverage Association points to data showing the reduction in calories equates to a decrease of less than five calories per day. And reports indicate that Mexican lawmakers already "have second thoughts about the soda tax."

There are other problems with the tax, none small.

"The [BMJ] study authors say it's too early to determine for certain whether the tax is really working," writes Time's Alexandra Sifferlin. "The study is observational and cannot prove causality, and other factors, like health campaigns about sugary beverages and economic changes, were also happening simultaneously."

A recent Urban Institute analysis of food and beverage taxes also notes that Mexico's tax "exempt[s] products like orange juice and beer—which have significant sugar content—to focus on soda, teas, energy drinks, and similar beverages." That's practically an invitation to consumers to simply switch from soda to other caloric sources like beer or juice.

"That narrow focus creates substitution opportunities that will weaken the effect of the tax; some consumers, for example, may switch to juices," the Urban Institute authors write.

After all, as Chicago's Prof. Grogger and others note, the purpose of soda taxes is not to raise the price consumers pay for soda. It's not to reduce soda consumption. Rather, the purpose of soda taxes is "[t]o staunch the rise in obesity" among those who live in the taxed area.

Regardless of what else soda taxes might achieve, there's no evidence to date that shows soda taxes reduce obesity.

Let me be clear. Even if such evidence did exist, I'd still oppose soda taxes on the same grounds I'd oppose Doritos taxes, raw milk taxes, bread taxes, or any food taxes that are intended to skew consumer choice. It's on those same grounds that I oppose farm subsidies and other agricultural measures that are at least partially responsible for the glut of cheap sweeteners that are on the market in the first place.

Obesity is a real problem. Food taxes are not a real solution to that problem.

[Editor's note: In a letter to the editor, a representative from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) took issue with Baylen Linnekin's statement that RWJF "supports soda taxes." 

While it is accurate to say that the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation contributed funding to the evaluation of the Mexico soda tax, it is inaccurate to characterize RWJF as a supporter of soda taxes. It is our view that public policies affecting public health should be rigorously evaluated, and that is why we supported the research on Mexico's soda tax. We have not taken a position on the issue of soda taxes, and will not until there is more evidence about the effectiveness of these policies. The Mexico evaluation is an important contribution to the research on this subject, and we were proud to support it, but further data is required before RWJF would consider taking a position on soda taxes.

Linnekin responds: 

I'd like to know if RWJF also asked e.g., the NYT to correct the last two sentences of this 2010 article

Officials of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, who had encouraged Save the Children to advocate for soda taxes, are disappointed.

"They were obviously some of the strongest out there working on the issue, and we had such high hopes," said Dwayne Proctor, team director for childhood obesity at the foundation. He said the two groups would continue to work together on other aspects of the obesity fight.

The NYT article notes that RWJF "encouraged" StC with about $3 million in funds.

In addition, Linnekin noted the following passage from an article on the RWJF website titled "Top 10 Signs We Are Building a Culture of Health." 

3. Voters pass the nation's first city tax on soda.

In November voters in Berkeley, Calif., passed the nation's very first tax on sugary beverages, including soda—a major contributor to the obesity epidemic. I know what you're thinking—Berkeley. But consider all the trends that started in California!]

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  1. If government raises the price of something with the intention of people consuming less, like a sin-tax for example, then people will consume less because that is the intention.

    If government raises the price of something with the intention of people consuming more, like minimum wage for example, then people will consume more because that is the intention.

    See? Intentions are magic.

    1. I heard on the radio this week, I believe it was Wendy’s experimenting with automated kiosk. Will CA outlaw those?

      1. Not at anything owned by Pelosi.

      2. I seriously doubt it

        I’ve been telling FOH for a couple of years now that this was coming. Automation is coming for BOH as well, only a bit slower and more targeted. In a couple of chains off the top of my head, their BOH doesn’t really cook – they reheat a series of frozen factory-produced goods from freezer to rethermalizer or conveyor oven.

        Personally, I’m boggled that people will pay $30 entree prices for what is, in fact, a better-quality frozen Stouffer’s. But then WALTD.

        1. Rethermalizer.

          The person who concocted that term should be fired immediately.

          1. You would think that an industry that has a piece of equipment called a salamander could have come up with something better.

            1. Like ‘oven’?

              The kinds of people that invent terms like that to make themselves seem more competent than they are are the kinds that also invent new forms to fill out for the sake of filling out forms. They, and telephone sanitizers should board a starship bound for the sun.

              1. It’s not an oven. “Telephone sanitizer” is also causing some confusion here.

                I’m on board with the rest of your comment though.

                1. “Telephone sanitizer” is also causing some confusion here.

                  Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy reference.

                  1. Timbo needs to brush up on her nerd references.

              2. Yeah, that sounds great, right up until you catch some nasty telephone based super plague.

        2. WALTD? We all like TV dinners:)

          1. Apparently, before a minimum level of coffee consumption, We All Like Things Different.

            Should have been WALDT. My bad.

            1. when did that become an accepted acronym? I can’t keep up.

          2. I googled waltd. it came back walt Disney and I was confused

        3. The article is interesting, not to say biased:
          ‘Automation would happen even without M/W hikes…’
          Yeah, and it’ll happen quicker WITH M/W hikes, plus it’ll happen to jobs that aren’t seen by the public b/c of the hikes.

        4. Is there a glossary for your comment?

        5. I’ve been telling FOH — FEH. Also FMH. And FRH.

          Just let them WRLDTA. If not then BSRPNZ.

          1. From the movie “Hamburger Hill” — “don’t mean nuthin.”

      3. I’d have to made a wild guess here that the automated kiosk will get orders correct around 100% more of the time than your typical Wendy’s employee.

        1. Or any other fast food chain for that matter

          1. I had trouble at a Dunkin’ Donuts yesterday trying to get a combo.

        2. This. From my experience Wendy’s is the worst.

          1. They used to be much better than McD’s but they have seriously gone down hill over the last 20 years. I don’t even do fast food anymore though. Maybe on a long road trip. Usually even then I try and plan ahead to find some nice local mom and pops somewhere on the way.

          2. The worst I’ve even seen was in one small town in Indiana that I had the misfortune to live near for a while. The Taco Bell there became famous as being the only fast food restaurant that never got an order right, ever. They actually walled up the drive through lane, so that you could not just drive away in anger.

            There were some picnic tables right on the outside of the 2 foot high wall across from the drive through window. It became a thing that in the summer weekends, people would sit on those tables just to watch the spectacle of the drive through. If you were 3 cars back in the line, you could roll your windows down and listen to the angry customers yell at the retards ‘I fucking told you 3 times already, I didn’t order a large orange drink. It’s ice tea damnit!’ What do you mean you’re out of tacos! This is fucking taco bell!’. Seriously.

            1. Yelling at a Taco Bell employee will probably entice them to take your taco to the bathroom and fill it with jiz.

            2. We had a similar issue at a Burger King in a small Indiana town I had the misfortune to live in for a while (ah, heck, it was Muncie).

              My sister went to the drive thru, ordered and asked for ketchup. They went through the order, gave the total price. My sister again said ‘and my ketchup’. Went to the window, paid, got our food, asked ‘is my ketchup in here?’. The drive thru schlub said yes. Sis drove to the front of the store, opened the bag…no ketchup.

              My sister parked and stormed inside, I followed (so I could point and laugh at the bloodletting). Right at noon on a weekday, sis sees the manager, starts yelling at him loudly enough that EVERYTHING stopped. Manager has no idea how to deal with a 20-year old girl loudly cursing in his face about ‘my fucking ketchup’. He finally fills a bag with ketchup packets and gives them to her, while apologizing profusely the entire time.

              It was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.

          3. This. From my experience Wendy’s is the worst.

            Apparently you’ve never gone to Nikki’s.

    2. They should just tax obesity. I’m sure that will work.

      1. *** pumps fist ***

        Right on!

      2. Ad campaign could include less than flattering photos of Chris Christie. To get the liberals on board.

      3. Once you’re obese, you’re a protected class. You get government aid.

  2. …and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which supports soda taxes.

    Guy sounds like a dick.

    1. It’s a shame his folks lacked the cojones to name him Richard.

    2. They should have named him Richard.

    3. Everyone is a dick who supports such inefficient taxes.

      1. Teamed up with Bloomberg. They should call it The Wood Johnson and Tiny Pecker Foundation.

        1. Just seeing his name pisses me off.

  3. For example, the study also indicates bottled-water sales are down by four percent. In a country without adequate sources of clean water, that’s a public-health issue.

    How is a decrease in bottled-water sales any more a public health issue than an increase in sugary-drinks sales a public health issue? Are you saying that if the studies show government taxing sugary drinks does lead to lower obesity than it is a fine and dandy use of government power?

    1. “Let me be clear. Even if such evidence did exist, I’d still oppose soda taxes”

    2. Ok, so bottled water sales are good now? I thought that bottled water sales are really bad because evul plastic bottles? Can these dingbats get their shit straight or not?

      1. No, they won’t.

        1. It’s all part of their make-work strategy.

      2. A Bernie Sanders supporter that I know is now in charge of the bottle redemption program where I live. I’d be surprised if her Prius had an anti-Nestl? sticker on it. Yes. She does drive a Prius.

        1. Unless you hate polar bears, its the right thing to do.


  4. I think a decrease in physical activity has played a far greater role in the obesity problem than an increase in calorie consumption.

    1. I have been pushing a book idea for a few years called the Medieval Gallic Peasant diet. The barebones of it is that one can eat 5,000 calories a day or more, but they have to lift heavy things and engage in backbreaking physical labor for 70 hours a week.

      Still haven’t found a publisher. Looks like the world is still afraid of a little truth.

      1. Just write a book about which exercise fad or latest advertised exercise gizmo works best. After 1000 pages, conclude that the one that you actually use is the best.

        Myself, I’m trying to come up with a book about how we’re all doomed if we don’t do something right now that will involve everyone sending me checks for large sums of money.

        1. Appreciate the suggestion, but it would undermine the theme of my series of self-help books. Titles include How to Train for a Marathon in Only Three Hours a Day, How to Learn a Foreign Language in 10,000 Hours, and How to Become a Millionaire in Three Decades.

          I would ditch the cheque idea and go straight for Paypal or federal subsidy.

          1. You can’t write self help books that deal with reality, people don’t want to hear that shit. I’m fix it for you:

            How to Train for a Marathon in Only Three Hours a Day minutes a day, while you sleep!

            How to Learn a Foreign Language in 10,000 Hours become fluent in all foreign languages in just 5 minutes a week, without studying!

            How to Become a Millionaire in Three Decades by just reading my 3 easy tips, no effort required!

            1. In college my roommate freshman year took out an ad in the local paper: Send 5 dollars for a tip on how to make easy money!

              When he got the 5 bucks he mailed them these instructions: Take out an ad in the local paper that says ‘Send 5 dollars for a tip on how to make easy money!’

              He also took out an ad that said : Desperate! Please send money!

              He got enough to buy his gas and food for that year.

              1. Sounds brilliant to me.

                1. I am still amazed that a 19 year old kid could be that cynical and jaded.

      2. *Technically* they didn’t consume 5000 calories. /wink.…..t_diet.htm

        1. Chopping Wood – occupation, fast
          7,403 Calories in 8 hr

          Now I can begin work on my sequel.

    2. It depends on which study you wish to cite in your argument. Exercise may be of far greater importance in maintaining a healthy weight, or diet may be of far greater importance. This all depends on who conducted the study, where the funding came from and for what reason, which way the wind is blowing, the price of eggs in China, daily tidal forces, etc, etc, etc.

      IOW, figure this out on your own is the best bet. Obviously both are important. You burn off as many calories as you consume and presto magical fucking zing zang, you stay at your healthiest body weight!

      1. It’s just interesting to me that when I was a kid no one knew what a calorie was outside of high school science class. Now people are obsessed with them. There is a lot calorie counting and salad eating going on but not much progress reducing obesity. I do know also we are as a whole way less physically active than we used to be. Kids and adults. People who do exercise regularly don’t seem to have much of a problem even. I don’t really think you need a study to see that.

        1. Of course no study is needed. And everyone is different. Some people I’ve known can drink beer all fucking day, eat anything they want, never exercise and never gain an ounce of body fat. And they maintain this condition into their later years. Sure, that’s the exception, but it’s just more proof of how everyone is different.

          It’s like trying to judge what your perfect weight is from only height. It’s impossible, too many different body types, different bone structures, body shapes, muscle mass. Just look in the damn mirror, you can see if you are too fat or not. No scales needed.

          1. No scales needed

            Once you get them off your eyes.

      2. Yeah, I started skipping dinner a few times a week and walking and running up stairs, and I lost 60lbs in a year. It ain’t rocket surgery.

    3. I doubt that Mexicans are consumer more calories. I was down there in the early 70’s and soda/candy consumption seemed pretty high to me. They also eat a lot of corn and rice. I have no doubt you are correct that they are simply becoming more sedentary.

      1. I’ve noted that a lot of the young ladies flocking across the border last few years have what is referred to as a muffin top, which they seem to be proud of guessing by their need to wear low cut jeans with shirts that don’t even come close to covering the belly. Too many tacos man, tacos and burritos. That’s all they really eat you know. Taco, taco, taco.

        1. Taco, taco, taco.

          Yeah, well…

          1. Dude, that was my line to pickup the latin women back before I finally got one. I would say ‘hey baby, want to get some tacos’? Now there’s something all the latin girls understand. I finally got one of them who didn’t know what a taco is. See how this can work for you?

            1. (furiously scribbles notes)

            2. Did you use your Mr. Microphone for that?


              1. Damnit, I missed on my Ebay bid to get one, so I just had to yell from my car ‘Hey baby, want to get some tacos!?’. But as I said, one magical day, one of them came over and said in her broken English ‘I don’t know taco’. And I said, ‘Well today is your lucky day, mamacita’.

                1. Just like Valentino

          2. And I thought your link would be to this.

  5. Ain’t advocacy sweet?

  6. “That’s practically an invitation to consumers to simply switch from soda to other caloric sources like beer or juice.”

    I swear. If they touch my sour cherry juice.

    “Rather, the purpose of soda taxes is “[t]o staunch the rise in obesity” among those who live in the taxed area.”

    They can’t even agree what the tax is for?

    1. It’s to “do something”. It doesn’t matter if it works or is even supposed to work as long as you “do something”. I’m quite sure also that its “for the children” so results aren’t what’s important here. It’s intentions that count.

  7. Hopefully, you all get lot’s of sugar from your honey this Valentines weekend.

    1. Since Swiss isn’t here….

      /narrows gaze.

    2. There’s an old lady that runs a newsstand at the station. I never really talked to her before, but then a month or so ago I noticed she was closed for a couple weeks.
      When she reopened, I just casually asked if she was genki. She told me had surgery and was feeling much better. Today as I bought a paper she slid me a little box of valentine chocolate.

      1. Staffinrun is about to score some GILF!

    3. “Lots of sugar from your honey”

      Unfortunately Archie only only promised me a lovin’ spoonful. But he promised it will like magic.

    4. Last nite I came home from work, brought my wife a dozen huge roses, a box of chocolate, and a card. She then gave me some raw chicken in a plastic container and asked me to make some soup for dinner.

      I’m not sure what the meaning or moral of this story is.

      1. She depends on you to provide her nourishment.

  8. Bernie Sanders is mainstreaming atheism in American politics

    “As the [Washington] Post notes, Sanders’s lack of active involvement with a specific religious organization would put him in rare company if elected. Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson are our only presidents who were “unaffiliated with a specific religious tradition.” To be clear, he still hasn’t officially “come out” as an atheist ? that would be a first for a president ? but given how intertwined American politics is with old-time religion, the fact that Sanders has distanced himself from organized religion is itself a pretty big deal….

    “That you can run for president, competitively, without claiming guidance from a supreme being is a signal to the rest of the country that our politics and our morals aren’t necessarily attached to our religious institutions. Regardless as to whether you plan to vote for him, it’s pretty cool that Sanders’s candidacy is, little by little, mainstreaming atheism in American politics.”

    1. The state worshipping progs are just as fundy and fanatical as the Islamist extremists and 100x more violent towards infidels.

      1. 100x more violent towards infidels.

        Say what?

        1. Ok, let me answer with my own question. Who uses more violence on those who don’t obey, ISIS or world governments? I’m feel very strongly that it is the latter.

          1. ISIS clearly takes the cake: they are both a terrorist group and a draconian government.

          2. World governments took the lives of 260 million citizens during the 20th century.

            1. They should give them back.

      2. Progressivism is a totalitarian religion, and we live in the Progressive Theocracy.

      3. Fascism is often a joint project between conservative Christians and state worshiping progressives, like it was in Nazi Germany. After all, in Germany, it was the Catholic Center Party that helped Hitler into power and they continued to support fascist and totalitarian regimes throughout the 20th century.

  9. “One recent study finds that when adolescents switch away from soda due to price increases, the drop in calories is offset by an increase in calories consumed in other food and drink.”

    How odd that teenagers don’t substitute carrot sticks, rosaries, or Sudoku for sugar-filled drinks, but choose other high-calorie junk foods instead.

    If only there were a field of study devoted to investigating the nature of human choice–that is, formalizing common sense–that might have predicted this outcome.

    1. How odd that teenagers don’t substitute carrot sticks, rosaries, or Sudoku for sugar-filled drinks, but choose other high-calorie junk foods instead.

      Hey, at least we know what to tax next.

    1. Of course not. It is about being from ‘Frisco.

  10. Bloomberg Philanthropies

    That makes me have to ask a silly question. But can taxing the living shit out of poor people really be considered philanthropy? If they just pay the oppressive tax and keep drinking their large sugary drink and then we throw them in a rape cage because they refuse to be nudged, is that still philanthropy. Can we get Bloomie’s opine on this?

    1. Taxing the peasants is good for them.

      Bloomberg Foundation, which advocated for the tax, funds a study that shows that it “works”. Uh huh. I have complete faith in that study.

  11. til I looked at the draft which had said $8465 , I accept that my friends brother was like trully making money in their spare time on their apple labtop. . there aunt haz done this less than 1 year and recently cleard the loans on there house and bought a gorgeous Saab 99 Turbo . view ….

    Clik this link in Your Browser

    1. Clik this link in Your Pants

  12. As you may have guessed from my posts, another Troll Appreciation Saturday has arrived.

    So let’s keep going…

    #AtheismSoWhite: Atheists of Color Rock Social Justice

    “The recent merger of the secular organization Center for Inquiry (CFI) and the Richard Dawkins Foundation (RDF) has been dubbed atheism’s supergroup moment….As one of the most prominent global secular organizations, CFI’s all-white board looks right at home with RDF’s lily white board and staff….

    “…Having the ability to claim the space of atheism unabashedly, while being viewed as a secular authority, has everything to do with race, gender, class, and sexual privilege. It is precisely because Dawkins and company are not criminalized, protected from the brunt of state violence due to their inhabitance of white male cis bodies, that they’ve gained global credence as atheist paragons of science and reason. Of course, mainstream media will never be ready for the intersectional atheist organizing represented by non-believers of color who’ve pushed the movement to go beyond the safe platitudes of church state separation. That would involve confronting the “revelation” that a humanistic atheism demands more than simply non-belief, but a radical dismantling of the same old social norms that center whiteness, maleness, straightness and private enterprise as “secular” God substitutes.”

    1. If white people were forbidden to enjoy or join… well, everything, really, we could solve this problem.

      1. You bigot crackers are incapable of understanding.

        1. This a common argument I have with a black lesbian aquantience of mine. She maintains that due to her trifecta of victimhood status she’s incapable of being a bigot and due to my privileged white male status(which I find amusing due to the fact I’m far from being totally white, but hey, skin pigmentation matters more than my genetic lineage, I suppose.) I’m incapable of “getting it”. My retort usually goes along the lines of asking her why she believes black women are incapable of experiencing the full spectrum of human thought and emotion. You are implying that you are, in effect, not fully human. She’s never amused, to say the least.

          Granted, it’s a snarky, possibly childish response made for the singular purpose of pissing her off but after hearing so many unsolicited, self righteous rants from her about the evils of whitey I simply can’t help myself.

          1. I think it’s a totally logical question directed towards someone who, while she may be your friend, seems like she would be totes awful to hang out with.

          2. Your friend sounds insufferable.

    2. “That would involve confronting the “revelation” that a humanistic atheism demands more than simply non-belief, but a radical dismantling of the same old social norms that center whiteness, maleness, straightness and private enterprise as “secular” God substitutes.”

      A radical dismantling of private enterprise. I see.

      They just can’t help themselves.

      1. So I’m confused, why does atheism need a group? I’m an atheist. I don’t really feel a need to go socialize with other atheists to talk about #notgod.

  13. #AtheismSoWhite: Atheists of Color Rock Social Justice

    If ever the human race achieves a post-scarcity society, this is the sort of shit we have to look forward to.

    There is a non-zero subset of the population that, in its tedious Marxian quest for the moral high ground and the ego-fluffing it affords, is determined to stir shit rather than spending eternity playing video games or watching reality tv like sane normies might.

    1. “…Marxian quest for the moral high ground …”

      If ever there was an oxymoron…

      Their complaint usually amounts to ‘you don’t belong to god’, then they go about asserting ‘you belong to us’.

  14. “Three Houston-area sheriff departments opted to display the nation’s motto “In God We Trust” on squad cars, following the Texas attorney general’s ruling that it won’t violate the U.S. Constitution….

    “The use of this motto on police cruisers is part of a national movement spread by social media that [Brazoria County Sheriff Charles] Wagner and others hope will humanize officers and remind citizens how police put their lives on the line every day.

    “It’s also a counter-offensive to the Black Lives Matter movement…

    “Montgomery County Sheriff Tommy Gage used his own campaign funds to purchase the decals for his 400 vehicles and most of the others used donations to purchase them.

    “”This just reinforces our national motto and what we believe our founding fathers stood for,” Montgomery Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel said. “It’s not about black or white but the values our country was founded upon.””

    1. In God We Trust, all others must pay cash.

    2. Wagner and others hope will humanize officers…

      Fifty pence worth of paint is easier than behaving like a human.

    3. I don’t have a problem with this. In fact, if it pisses off some progs, I like it.

      But they really should be honest and paint ‘In Public Unions and Unaccountability We Trust’ on their sus scrofa domesticus machines.

    4. The founding fathers believed in E pluribus unum.

      1. Well I can go for unum. With cute females. Above 5′ 6″ tall and Cs or Ds. Otherwise they don’t make the grade.

  15. Jarritos lima is tits

    1. This is news?

      I thought it was well known that Anne Frank’s Diary was a fiction?

      I don’t know what the point is. That in no way ameliorates what the National Socialists did.

      1. Libertarian guy linked to an anti-Frank post by William L. “Turner Diaries” Pierce.

      2. I thought it was well known that Anne Frank’s Diary was a fiction?

        First I’ve heard of it. Got any good non-NeoNazi/Holocaust denier evidence?

        1. All I knew was that her father edited some of it, which is hardly surprising, but it is generally understood that he did not substantially alter it. Even if it was fictional, I don’t know why Holocaust deniers would care. The diary is about hiding from the gestapo, not the intricacies of the Final Solution or life and death in the camps.

          1. All I knew was that her father edited some of it

            Yes all I heard was that he edited it and cut out some things he didn’t like not that he make it all up or that Anne herself made it all up.

  16. “FRANKFORT, Ky. ? A Senate committee on Wednesday voted
    for a bill that is intended to shield county clerks from having to put their names on the marriage licenses of same-sex couples….

    “The bill is an attempt to largely codify an executive order by Gov. Matt Bevin that was designed to allow Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to have her office issue gay marriage licenses without having her name on them.”

  17. NYPD fires partner of cop convicted of manslaughter in stairwell shooting after victim’s family calls for his dismissal

    Not in the union? Fuck ’em.

    Related: I know a guy who was fired from his high school job before right before he got tenure because the school learned that he had been sexing students at the previous school he worked at, and was probably trying to do something similar at the current school. Soon after that, another guy I know slapped a student in hallway of his high school for being disrespectful, and since he had tenure he was “demoted” to a junior high.

    The story also has this gem:

    It was the first time in a decade a New York Police Department officer was held responsible for a line-of-duty killing

    1. Believing in aliens is more plausible.

  18. “US District Court Judge David Bunning ruled Tuesday that Kim Davis, the Rowan County clerk who defied Judge Bunning’s court order last fall, has not obstructed her deputies from distributing gay couples’ licenses and said that the documents issued without her name on them should be considered valid.

    “”There has been no indication that Davis has continued to interfere with the issuance of marriage licenses since September 20, 2015,” Bunning wrote in his decision. “Moreover, there is every reason to believe that any altered licenses issued between September 14, 2015 and September 20, 2015 would be recognized as valid under Kentucky law.””

    1. “”Today’s ruling by Judge Bunning rejected the ACLU’s request to hold Kim Davis in contempt of court,” [Davis’ lawyer Mathew Staver] said in a press release by Liberty Counsel. “From the beginning we have said the ACLU is not interest in marriage licenses. They want Kim Davis’s scalp. They want to force her to violate her conscience. I am glad the court rejected this bully tactic.””

      1. I would respect Kim Davis if she resigned in protest.

        Keeping her job and refusing to perform it, not so much.

        1. Seriously? A federal judge just decided she *was* doing her job.

          Are you saying the federal courts are wrong?

          But once you admit that the federal courts can be wrong, then you open the door to people like me who suggest the federal courts are wrong about gay marriage in the first place.

          1. Goddammit, Eddie.

            So. I never knew you were from New York.

              1. Upthread, where you…

                Never mind.

                Good morning, Eddie.

                1. The deep-dish pizza link? That was the title of the linked article. By some chick.

                    1. Yes, I know. I was teasing you. It went whoosh. Thus the never mind.

          2. But once you admit that the federal courts can be wrong, then you open the door to people like me who suggest the federal courts are wrong about gay marriage in the first place.

            A court justifying her actions does not justify her actions.

            1. My point is that the people who talk about how she should do her job are adopting the courts’ definition of what that job is.

              If you’re relying on the courts to say what her job is, then of you can’t just say “never mind” when they say she’s actually doing her job.

              And if you *don’t* rely on what the federal courts say, then don’t forget that that Kentucky Constitution defines her job as upholding true, man/woman marriage.

              1. I am not going to get in a long, drawn out discussion about Kim Davis, who is beyond uninteresting to me.

                I do not rely on the federal courts to inform me whether or not something is justified, and neither do you Captain Abortion, so the court ruling is moot, which was my point.

                1. Maybe you and I are too enlightened to fall for such superstitions, but it would be naive to deny that there’s a broad current of opinion that the gay-marriage decision is “the law of the land” simply because the Supreme Court said it was.

                  See, e.g., this Shackford post: “…Trump and Rubio have both acknowledged that the Supreme Court ruling is the “law of the land,” a thing which is, you know, factually accurate.”

                  It would take a great degree of political blindness not to know that this “Obergefell is the law of the land” meme has been used time and time again against Davis.

              2. Can she uphold false, man/woman marriage?

                There seem to be a LOT of the. Judging by the divorce stats.

            2. Apparently, Eddie has the “correct” position whether federal judges agree or disagree. It’s amazing how that works.

              1. That’s right, I don’t think smoking dope is interstate commerce, I don’t think the government can take your money and give it to Pfizer, and I don’t think there’s a constitutional right to gay marriage.

                1. Well is there a constitutional right to unhappy marriage?


                  Should there be a religious test for marriage?

          3. Her job is to issue marriage licenses to the people who qualify under the law. She disagrees with who qualifies. I disagree with her based on the principle of freedom of association, but I would respect her if she resigned in protest. That would tell me she is serious in her convictions.

            Also, the federal courts wrong? That is just crazy talk. This has never happened.

            1. “Her job is to issue marriage licenses to the people who qualify under the law.”

              Exactly right.

              And who is qualified?

              “Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.” Kentucky Constitution, Section 233A

          4. They were wrong about the penaltax and wrong about the meaning of “state”, so in theory they could be wrong about this, too.

          5. Good morning. Of course the courts are wrong about gay marriage. The federal government should have nothing to do with marriage. But neither should the states. Marriage is a religious ceremony between two people, their church, and their god. If your church things it’s ok to perform same sex marriage, go for it. If you think it’s immoral, or your church feels that way, don’t may somebody of the same sex.
            The government should enforce civil union contracts, and stop violating the establishment of religion clause in the first amendment.

              1. I think the best thing to do would be to grant a general amnesty to all those ministers who solemnized same-sex weddings, emptying the prisons of such offenders.


          6. the federal courts are wrong about marriage


          7. Are you saying the federal courts are wrong?


            But once you admit that the federal courts can be wrong, then you open the door to people like me who suggest the federal courts are wrong about gay marriage in the first place.

            They are that too. What’s your point?

  19. So, what is Carson going to say tonight, before he suspends his campaign in a couple of weeks?

    1. The pyramids weren’t really built for grain storage, I was wrong about that, I now admit that aliens built them so bigfoot could have a place to live?

      1. Said with a chuckle, then “No, seriously, they were built for grain storage.”

    2. “Wake me up when it’s my turn to talk.”

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    2. maybe the purpose is to see how your significant other reacts to a not-ridiculously PC action?

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    1. What you want is a bagel with locks.

    2. When it comes to carbs, what matters a great deal is the glycemic index, not just carb content.

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