Maryland Lawmakers Attempt Veto Override for Police Forfeiture Reform
New bill would require conviction before police could take ownership of property.


Last spring Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan vetoed an effort to institute some modest reforms to the use and abuse of civil asset forfeiture by police within the state. While it wouldn't have gone so far as to demand that prosecutors actually get convictions before law enforcement agencies take their stuff, it would have established a minimum amount of money to prompt seizure, required police to establish stronger proof that the property owner knew the property was connected to a crime, and most importantly, blocked law enforcement agencies from transferring property to the Department of Justice in order to use the (now temporarily suspended) federal asset forfeiture sharing program to bypass state rules.
Like a lot of civil asset forfeiture reforms that make it to the governor's desk, this effort was bipartisan, and this week the state's Senate will attempt to override Hogan's veto. Logan Albright at FreedomWorks notes:
The Maryland State's Sheriffs' Association and Maryland Attorneys' Association oppose civil asset forfeiture reform, claiming that police need all available tools to go after drug dealers and other criminals. But the constitutional guarantee of due process applies to all Americans, and you can't just circumvent it because it's convenient or makes your job easier. We have to resist the temptation to surrender our freedoms for sake of security.
The sheriffs and attorneys would have you believe that civil forfeiture only happens to bad people who have broken the law, but without a high burden of proof on the government, there's no way of knowing that. In fact, forfeiture could happen to any one of us, leaving us with little recourse to retrieve our stolen property.
The veto override vote is scheduled for today.
And there's more. A new bipartisan push involving one Republican and two Democratic state senators is going to take it to the next level. The three of them have introduced legislation that would eliminate the civil version of asset forfeiture and require police to secure convictions of alleged criminals in order to take their property. Read more here.
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What was Hogan's rationale for the veto?
Anarchy would ensue passage.
Losing the endorsement of the police union?
I live in AA county. There were (at least) two candidates for sheriff in the Republican primary. One whose most noteworthy characteristic was having the police union's endorsement, and another whose most noteworthy characteristic was calling for the police to more effectively and more accountably serve the county's citizens.
Guess which one won?
police union guy?
Naturally.
I don't know what part of the average Anne Arundel County voter's mind favors "give government employees even more preferential treatment" over "your government should serve you", but there it is.
What was turnout?
Cops and their families, plus neighbors, plus firefighters, and other unions types could equal a huge chunk of the voters.
It's Maryland. Part of Maryland that happens to lie near Baltimore and DC. A large chunk of the voters could be government employees of one sort or the other.
It was enough to paint the governor's mansion red, although it seems Howard County deserves the most credit for that.
Howard County definitely deserves a lot of the credit. Hogan got all the Koreans to vote for him.
I love the way that the locals say Annarunnel Caiwnny.
The most notable distinctions (coming from Frederick County) were:
- Everyone has a boat. At least one.
- Old Bay is sold by the gallon, and you may get dirty looks if you buy it in smaller sizes.
- There is only one football team: the Ravens.
I think there are more Steelers and Redskins fans in Balmer City than Ravens fans. Especially after this season.
Frednecks.
Downey Ocean, hon!
Sous entendu, but he must have made some sort of public statement about why "officially" he was vetoing.
Hitler?
He wants to make sure a Republican is not elected as governor again next term. It's a Maryland tradition.
Actually, I think it's more about Republican turnout. In a state generally controlled by Democrats and where any Republican governor is practically guaranteed to be a one-term wonder, the goal of a Republican gubernatorial administration is to avoid pissing off Republicans. As much as that doesn't seem to make sense, you don't want to depress turnout of your own party, even if it means pissing off the other party or "independents".
There's no hope. Well, there's one. I'm moving to Frederick County and getting in on the secession to form West Maryland movement.
You best move west of the city, then. While gerrymandering definitely skewed the picture, the county's been turning purple for awhile now, with Frederick City and environs leading the charge.
I'll just move up into the mountains beyond the city and form a coalition with the good ol boys up there. One day, when they least expect it, we'll come ridin down out the hills in our pickup trucks, rebel flags wavin, coon dogs brayin and pull a coup on the insurgents. We'll put up a Gaden flag on city hall, turn it into a beer hall and bordello, and send all lefties back to Balmer.
send all lefties back to Balmer
There's a lot of MoCo transplants, too.
Ok, send them to Montgomery County, or Anne Arundel County, or Prince Georges County. Any of those places where us New West Murlander's can point our ballistic missile arsenal at.
Y'all could hook up with the separatists in the eastern panhandle of WV and form a new state: East West Virginia.
I'm in
One of the nicer McDonald's franchises i've ever been to is in Berkley, so you'll have that going for you, which is nice.
Boring name. You need something like
Guntucky or Hillbillachia or New FYTW.
What was Hogan's rationale for the veto?
You can't have order without the law!
Make the state secure conviction before punishment? Anarchy!!
But the constitutional guarantee of due process applies to all Americans, and you can't just circumvent it because it's convenient or makes your job easier.
If that's not the most damning proof of a war on cops I don't know what is.
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
Hogan looks like the aging male version of Miss Piggy.
Or the bad guy from an episode of BJ and The Bear.
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
touched, Warty
We have an 8th Amendment, you know.
fucked, donkey
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
defecated on, Ebola patients
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
mushroom-slapped, BBCs
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
found attractive, Crusty
This one tickles my tummy with the taste of nuts and honey.
Lasciviously licked, Lena Dunham.
That's just mean. No one deserves that. Maybe Hillary, but she'd probably like it.
I used to work at a restaurant in Kennebunkport where the Bush family has a vacation compound back when Clinton was president. Secret Service guys used to some into my place of employment to drink after work when Bush was in town, and boy did they have some stories. Apparently Hillary had a thing for perfume parties, and while she didn't have as many conquests as her husband, she fooled around a lot. What the two had in common was that they both liked to fool around with women.
Some people learn to late that drinking perfume swells your ankles.
Sat upon, Chris Christie.
Tickled, Jocelyn Wildenstein.*
*Don't click that.
Painted, G?ricault.
I want his face to be _______ by ________.
the subject of a long-form piece, SugarFree
eaten - ebola
bukakked by Caitlyn Jenner
improved - Mike Tyson
off the street, 5 PM
But the constitutional guarantee of due process applies to all Americans, and you can't just circumvent it because it's convenient or makes your job easier.
Hey, it's cute that you think that. Unfortunately, the Constitution does not apply when the police sue your stuff, not you. -- Supreme Court of the United States in all its wisdom
If you are unwilling to stand up to police unions during your treatment for aggressive cancer, when will you stand up to police unions?
You'll stand up when the Union tells you to stand up.
How is it that this is not 9-0 slam dunk unconstitutional at SCOTUS based on takings and due process?
You mean 8-1 with only Sotomayor in dissent, upholding it as essential for the government to fight crime?
"New Professionalism"
7-2, it could be a penaltax.
Has Roberts ever been in such a small minority? Also, wouldn't it being a "penaltax" put him in favor of it?
Oops, I meant 2-7.
Who besides Sotomayor would oppose it?
/confused
Damnit, never mind. Work has already screwed my brain today. 8-1 it is.
The FYTW clause. When I took constitutional law, which is called "con law" for good reason, I found the bad-faith reasoning in many of the decisions breathtaking.
Pretty sure I stroked out when we discussed Wickard v. Filburn.
The reason asset forfeiture reform has such an uphill battle is because CA reform IS Union reform.
A new bipartisan push involving one Republican and two Democratic state senators is going to take it to the next level.
Mo' money?
You know, i've heard it said many a time that mo' money leads directly to mo' problems, but i'd still like the chance to find out for myself.
I've been in a state of no' money, and a state of mo' money. I prefer the latter, what with all of its problems.
Word to your mother.
I am proposing a study with the hypothesis "Money can't buy happiness". By my rough back of the envelope calc, to achieve a statistical significance of .95, I would need something on the order of $ 10 Million (US). I am thinking a nice, big grant from the NSF ought to cover it. After all, it is for science!
NIH gives bigger grants, and it sounds like a better fit.
Make sure you work in a firearms and climate change angle...
Quadruples your chance of getting the grant.
better yet, delve into the intersectionality of firearms and climate change, because I can just feel the correlation between the two.
Just say 'I guess I'm going to have to agree with the scientists' and try to look smart and progressive when you say it.
don't forget "diversity"
What an asshole. Hogan was doing so well otherwise.
Oh almost forgot: Libertarian Moment.
Hogan has done some good: http://www.forbes.com/sites/re.....d9b3ae6601
President Trump is going to send you back to Iceland or Greenland, somewhere up there.
The Berninator is ahead of Hillary by like 30 points in the latest polls in NH. Ouch!
You know who else attempted a veto overri....
Ah, fuck it.