ISIS

Did ISIS Mess With the Wrong Country By Attacking Istanbul?

Erdogan might finally stop playing footsie with this outfit

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ISIS's suicide bombing of Istanbul has been buried under the headlines emanating from the clown show that is called the annual state of union address and the horror show that is the Republican presidential debate. But while the GOP

Blue Mosque
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hopefuls debate how they can ban victims of ISIS – aka Syrian refugees, not to mention other Muslims – from America in order to fight ISIS, the end of this noxious outfit might have already begun.

That's because this bombing that occurred in the iconic Blue Mosque district might finally convince Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, an authoritarian quasi-Islamist, to finally prioritize the threat ISIS poses ahead of his other bugaboos such as the Kurdish insurgents, I note in my column at The Week.

Turkey has endured ISIS attacks before. So what's different this time? Go here to find out.

But the fact of the matter is that unlike the weak-kneed Saudi regime, Turkey has the military capacity – it commands the second largest NATO army after the United States—and the local knowledge to successfully take out ISIS. The issue to date has mainly been a lack of political will and real-politik concerns. On paper, Erdogan is a US ally in the fight against ISIS. In practice, he's been playing a sly game of using ISIS to contain the Kurds and eliminate Syrian President Assad, his mortal enemies. That may end now.

In other words, while Trump's GOP tears up the constitution and does a war dance on its torn pieces, the answer to ISIS might lie some place else.

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  1. This would be a good opportunity for Turkey to assert herself,

  2. Turkey is the new Texas?

    1. Bomb safe, the Texas way

  3. Trump’s three singing girls made an impact on someone.

    1. Derpbook for sure! They’re freaking out about that. You’d think it was Prussian Blue.

      1. More like North Korea.

      2. Wow! I just looked up Prussian Blue, and guess what? They both got medical marijuana cards and now say they’ve turned away from racism:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..ppies.html

  4. Believe I read old Erdo arrested a bunch of professors yesterday over signing some stop-murdering-Kurds petition.

    Keep dreaming Shikha.

  5. I have no doubt that Turkey will kill every Kurd they can on their way to fighting ISIS.

    1. That would be unfortunate.

    2. Thanks, Debbie Downer.

  6. Tick tock, Reason. How the hell am I supposed to distract myself from the last few minutes of work before a long weekend if you won’t post PM lynx?

      1. I can sort of see having a probationary period. Not the best solution, but there are far worse.

        1. You know who else looked for the best solution in Germany?

          1. Robert Bunsen?

    1. They’re just letting Fist finish taking his dump.

      1. I saw we make our own Links right here.

        1. How rugged individualist of you.

    2. By reading and re-reading the blinding derp of a Shikha post, of course.

    3. I’ll repost in the links, but the XX at Slate feminist have just discovered that equality laws are being applied to both men and *gasp* women. Bitching ensues, and arguments for separate but equal abound in the comments.

      http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_…..ation.html

      1. Your faith that we will get links is…touching.

        1. The way you’re touching his faith is disturbing.

          1. I find your lack of touching my faith disturbing

            1. Reach out and touch faith.

                1. She looks like the Indian Katy Perry…

      2. “All Chic CEO is trying to do is provide women with the information they need to get a business started,” Burns told Mother Jones. “Just because we help women, doesn’t mean we hurt men.”

        Yeah, like that has ever been an affirmative defense for men caught in your situation.

      3. In fields dominated by men, especially those where sexism demonstrably thrives, there may be gender-specific benefits that women can only glean through events tailored to their own needs.

        The new VP of engineering is a woman the same age as my son. I’m pretty sure she got the job by being really fucking good at what she does.

      4. Ladies’ night discounts, which are usually money-making schemes to get women and the men who want to ogle them in the door, should not be judged on the same plane as woman-run spaces in industries where generations of old-boys’-club hobnobbing has left women out of crucial leadership pipelines.

        Well, it’s not, which is why you have one serial litigator forcing a number of comparatively minor settlements vs. the quite lucrative industry in sex discrimination lawsuits going the other way.

    4. This is getting to be funny.

    5. Rifles converted to automatic fire an increasing risk, RCMP internal report warns

      The number of military-style firearms that can be temporarily jury-rigged to become automatic weapons has increased “dramatically” in Canada over the last decade ? and so has the public-safety risk.

      That’s the stark conclusion of an internal RCMP laboratory report on improvised methods for upgrading semi-automatic weapons, and for illegally altering magazine clips to allow for rapid continuous fire.

      But…

      Upgrading any weapon to fully automatic status is clearly prohibited by Section 102(1) of the Criminal Code, with prison terms of up to 10 years. But Smith’s report raises questions about the current effectiveness of 20-year-old Criminal Code regulations as they apply to newer weapons shown in lab tests to be “amenable to the improvised full automatic fire technique.”

      It’s already illegal, but we’re going to scare-monger to get those bans on some semi-autos we just plain don’t like.

      1. military-style firearms that can be temporarily jury-rigged

        Perhaps the number of military-style firearms that actually have been temporarily jury-rigged would be a more relevant fact.

        By not providing it, the RCMP pretty much guarantees that this isn’t exactly a big, or increasing, problem.

  7. ISIS has been playing Turkey and Erdogan like a fiddle and is now turning on its benefactor. Who didn’t see that coming?

    BTW, the Turkish military has been fighting Kurdish insurgents for decades and they haven’t managed to stamp them out. I don’t see them doing any better against ISIS who is better funded and who has an independent base of operations and an almost limitless supply of ululating jihadis.

    1. The Kurds are MUCH better at fighting than ISIS. They routinely rout them.

  8. The answer to Isis has always been “somewhere else”.

  9. Make the U.N. earn it’s keep and have them declare ISIS “Hostis humani generis” Enemy of all humanity.

    But unfortunately RC Dean is correct.

    1. No, because that would be pretending that the UN has moral authority.

    2. Make the U.N. earn it’s keep and have them declare ISIS “Hostis humani generis”

      Why not start at home and make the US earn its keep… No, because that would be pretending that the US has moral authority.

  10. Why should the Turks care, it was only German tourists killed by a Syrian Refguee.

    And it seems Merkel does not seem to care, she is too busy welcoming Rapefugees.

  11. I don’t think ISIS miscalculated….

    ISIS wants to separate moslems from the west. Destabilizng Turkey serves that goal. And it’s easy; Turkey is not a stable country; up till 2010, it hardly went three decades without a coup. The tension between the secularists and the islamists has always been boiling under the surface with a great deal of repression keeping it in check.

    The tourist trade in Turkey is collapsing as we speak… Turkey’s economy is going to dip downward badly stoking discontent. The AKP is corrupt and polarizing. And Turks have a great propensity for political violence. So no matter what they do, the ruling party is going to piss off people who will try to undermine it. In all likelihood, it will stoke the sort of violence that all but destroyed civil society in the 1970’s and sent a 7 year old tarran to live permanently in the U.S.

    The current political fault lines guarantee that the conflict will have a very religious component (the secularists vs the islamists). And the conflict will further polarize society, providing ISIS with both recruits and an enemy to strike.

    1. And then, amidst the chaos, the Byzantines will finally reclaim their long lost city.

      1. Ataturk sorted the last chance of that in 1920.

        In his defense, Greeks were total dicks.

        1. Actually, its the Romans who can claim Byzantium as a long-lost city, not the Greeks.

          1. Byzantion was a Greek colony before it was a Roman city.

            1. Pfft. You and your “facts” and “knowledge, again.

              1. I am more than happy to stand in agreement that the modern Greeks are not deserving of anything.

    2. The tourist trade in Turkey is collapsing as we speak… Turkey’s economy is going to dip downward badly stoking discontent.

      Don’t know if I agree. I’m no Turkey expert, but Turkey is having a real Erdogan boom. Ostensibly this is because he is modernizing a bit, and the economy is starting to pick up steam? If so, I don’t see loss of tourism as having a major economic impact. Legit growth tourism. But I don’t follow Turkey carefully or nothing.

      1. Tarran was, I believe, born and raised in Turkey so he’s our resident expert.

        1. I’m a poor expert. Over the past decade the older relatives I stayed in touch with have all passed away.

          But my employer does a fair bit of business there which is how I know the tourist industry is sinking rapidly.

          1. But my employer does a fair bit of business there

            ISIS?

            I always guessed as much about you, tarran.

            1. Nah, t is more of an ODIN guy.

      2. Turkey WAS having an Erdogan boom when he first came to power. Made some good pro-market reforms. That was a while ago.

        1. The AKP went from reformers to corrupt establishment pretty quickly. However, unlike the prior corrupt establishment, they are more inclined towards Islamic law than “secular” (they hold a bizarre reverence for Ataturk, or at least used to) law.

    3. The tourist trade in Turkey is collapsing as we speak…

      And I’m sure that hastening that collapse is one of the interim goals of ISIS in furtherance of the ultimate goal of MENA caliphate.

    4. “The current political fault lines guarantee that the conflict will have a very religious component”

      Turkey’s most unstable fault-lines run between the Kurds and the Turks. It is ethnic in nature rather than religious. They speak different languages and share different folk-ways. Both Turks and Kurds however are typically Sunni Muslim. I don’t see Turks of any ethnicity being driven into the camp of ISIS, an organization whose base is tribal Arabs of Syria and Iraq, especially after these atrocities.

  12. the clown show that is called the annual state of union address and the horror show that is the Republican presidential debate

    I’d say that’s backwards. You can laugh at them now, once one of them becomes Prez the horror starts sinking in.

  13. I’m not sure if I’m detecting a coherent theme in Dalmia’s article, even if her headline is 100% correct.

    Hence, he has allowed the free flow of ISIS terrorists and weapons across Turkey’s southern border ? which ISIS used last summer to infiltrate Kobani, a Kurdish-controlled border town, and massacre 150 civilians. Most Turks loathe Erdogan’s enabling of ISIS but were resigned to giving ISIS its pound of flesh, so long as it followed the example of Kurdish guerillas and left its major city centers alone

    A cynic might note that Erdogan has employed a kind of open-borders attitude because he didn’t care about the people that were being killed, hence he allowed his country to be filled with ISIS fighters and sympathisers.

    Erdogan was finally spooked last July into rounding up and imprisoning hundred of ISIS fighters ensconced in southern Turkey. Even more significantly, he allowed America to use Turkey’s Incirlik air base to mount anti-ISIS air strikes. The Sultanahmet bombing is ISIS’s blowback for this “treachery.”

    By doing what, exactly. When you ’round up’ anyone, be it ISIS fighters, secret Muslims etc., you have to first identify them.

    It also sounds like Dalmia is pointing out that the solution to ISIS is to bomb the tar sands out of them.

    1. Most Turks loathe Erdogan’s enabling of ISIS but were resigned to giving ISIS its pound of flesh, so long as it followed the example of Kurdish guerillas and left its major city centers alone was mostly only killing Kurds

    2. And, I wouldn’t doubt that Erdogan was kinda hoping that Kurdistan would get a major ISIS infestation that he could use as justification for going in really heavy and wiping everyone one.

      1. Hey, it worked for the Fourth Crusade.

  14. This is just a smoke shield to distract from the inconvenient fact that ISIS depends on Turkey for oil trade.

  15. Turkey is too busy killing Kurds to notice, I think.

    Funny how Turkey killing Kurds gets almost completely overlooked by the Western media and leftists, even though the Kurds certainly have as good a case as the Palestinians. Especially given that the Kurds are lefties themselves, in the vein of Cuba or Venezuela.

    1. “Especially given that the Kurds are lefties themselves, in the vein of Cuba or Venezuela.”

      You probably can find Stalinists among the Kurds. One of the main groups, the PKK, have turned away from Marxism over the past few years and have been following an American theorist, Murray Bookchin, who advocates “libertarian municipalism.” They are secular, oppose ISIS, and the nation state in general. The are almost completely overlooked by Reason.

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