Gun Control

What's Obama Trying to Accomplish with Tonight's "Town Hall" on Guns?

Likely little more than letting a narrow base know he cares, though the implications of more feckless "gun policy" choices might be alarming.

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President Obama will be joining CNN's Anderson Cooper for a closed-to-the-public "town hall" event to be aired on CNN tonight at 8 pm eastern. CNN says the whole thing was their idea and that they did the inviting, and promise "the audience would be evenly divided between organizations that support the Second Amendment including NRA members as well as groups that back gun regulation" though the National Rifle Association declined to play a part officially. Seeing what questions that seem to come from an anti-gun-control perspective tonight should be interesting and telling. (Michelle Malkin writes on the history of apparent plants in CNN audiences asking questions.)

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And what will the message be? Obama already laid out the specifics of his new wave of "executive actions" to, he insists, curb the (non-existent) growing epidemic of gun violence (which has shrunk in half in the past 23 years.)

They mostly involve small adjustments in enforcement about who qualifies legally as a gun seller required to conduct background checks, and giving people who care about their right to self-defense more reason to avoid ever getting enmeshed in our mental health system.

He's given no hint he has any fresher ideas to offer, so this is just more showmanship to hit home the point Jacob Sullum made here yesterday: Regardless of how efficacious any of his proposals are, Obama wants you to know again and again that he cares about gun control.

It's conceivable that politically, showing he cares is a lot more valuable than actually doing anything about the problem—especially when doing much about the problem of a tiny percentage of gun owners making the terrible decision to murder is largely outside his legal abilities. (Such acts are against the law already.) He and his administration seem to think the issue resonates, though it's worth remembering that guns are a very low political priority for most Americans.

But guns, and being against them, have become part of the core tribal identity of his party, and likely part of a deliberate cultural game of "problematizing" gun ownership like the culture has done to, say, smokers.

Because after two decades plus that have seen gun homicide cut in half, it's quite unlikely that national policy can do much more about this problem. Indeed we have very little verified knowledge indicating gun policy will positively affect gun deaths or crimes. Obama might not know that, or he might understand just fine that his Party's political fortunes will be buoyed by making people who hate or are uncomfortable with guns know that the Democratic Party is On Their Side anyway.

It may be as well that continuing to insist in such a big and public way that a problem that has been trending hugely downward demands continual strong political action, and continuing to offer meaningless policy solutions, he is greasing that slippery slope he alluded to with his chilling "tomorrow we do more" comment in his presentation Tuesday, pushing the country forward toward the sort of banning and/or confiscations of classes of weapons that we are one Supreme Court justice away from legally permitting.

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    1. Colt .45?

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        1. Damn just saw that Wasteland Wanderer beat me to it.

          Well played, sir.

  2. Wait, I thought he just did a Townhall on guns?

    And why do we keep calling these heavily orchestrated events where participants are handpicked by administration officials “Townhalls”?

    If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s where the most powerful politicians in the land try to get “folksy”.

    Not to be outdone, Jay Inslee calls for strengthened strengthened background checks for gun buyers.

    These background checks are stronger than the last strengthened background checks the state just passed.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/se…..un-buyers/

    1. Double Secret background checks!

      1. Toga ,toga,toga.

        1. Forget it; he’s rolling.

          1. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!

            1. And we’re just the guys to do it!

    2. Just wait,they’ll be wanting finger prints,D.N.A. and a drug test next.

      1. If it saves one life…

        1. But voting can’t require an ID…

    3. Coming from a part of the country that has actual town halls and town meetings (in towns that are still small enough, like the one I live in), that always really annoys me. Town halls aren’t for bullshit political Q&A sessions/campaign events. They are for conducting the business of town government. And mediocre local theater.

      1. The Feds have mediocre national theater.

  3. This is no town hall,it’s all about the glory of the god emperor. CNN isn’t eve pretending to be impartial anymore. I expect to see Cumo’s lips pressed to Obama’s ass.

    1. I like how the NRA could smell their bullshit from a mile away. It’ll be like interviewing on the Daily Show. The game is rigged; the cards are stacked against you; they’ll just transform you into a strawman and skewer you with their wit.

      1. So comrade Stalin,how much have the 5 year plans exceeded expectations?

        1. There was a great old Onion headline:

          Stalin unveils 5-year “Everyone Dies” plan

          1. Mao already did that

          2. I thought the Onion only wrote fake stories?

            1. Stories written in “The Onion” actually create reality!

              Surprised ya didn’t know that?!

  4. It’s an infomercial on why his bs isn’t really about what it is really about.

  5. Positively EFFECT?!

    Class C grammar felony, right there. Turn in your guns.

  6. So, I guess the Democrats wanna get fucked hard in November cause they have yet to figure out that “Gun Control” is a losing issue…

    1. Control is their only issue.

    2. It’s the electric fence that they just can’t help pissing on. Sort of like abortion for Team Red.

    3. The Democrats are believing their own extremist rhetoric that a “majority” of Americans supports “common sense” “gun control.”

      It’s pretty amusing when you look into it. They now believe there are in excess of 300 million guns in this country in the hands of fewer than 20 million gun owners. The reality is that gun ownership is a lot more common than they wish to believe. In fact there are quite a lot of hard core Democrat gun owners. They refuse to accept that there is a huge percentage of Americans who don’t want their right to purchase, own and use firearms restricted because criminals may also use them. More to the point, there is a large portion of Americans who want firearms BECAUSE criminals may also use them.

      Unfortunately for America the “other” (progressive) “side” is littered with screaming moronic loudmouths who could fuck up a wet dream. But Gary isn’t banning clothing anymore, so that’s good.

      1. The “interesting” gun-control meme is that “Everybody knows 90% of Americans want universal background checks, but the Evul NRA has a majority of Congress convinced that if they vote for UBC the NRA’s remaining 10% share will vote them out of office.”

        Yeah.

    4. Yeah, they just might manage to lose the election on that. It’s amazing that they never learn.

  7. Obama already laid out the specifics of his new wave of “executive actions” to, he insists, curb the (non-existent) growing epidemic of gun violence (which has shrunk in half in the past 23 years.)

    In government, every equation is algebra and X equals whatever you want it to be.

  8. I cannot determine whether Obama’s pushing ineffectual gun laws is just pandering or if he really thinks they will work. I am also uncertain which is more frightening.

    1. He wants to see if he can get away with legislating via executive order. If he can, his next step will be much more onerous rules.

      1. Maybe congress will find the courage to change the rules governing the ATF?

        Yeah, I thought that was funny too.

      2. He’s already done much bolder executive orders. This one is really quite tame.

        1. He has, but this particular issue is among the most divisive. He’s picking a fight that’s up the ante.

          1. It seems like the Progs make a big deal out of picking the most extreme, divisive issues to completely blow out of proportion.

            I wonder if it’s a deliberate negotiating tactic. If they ask for the sun and moon and stars, you’ll feel ‘fortunate’ when the actual power players only take an arm, both legs, and your left testicle.

  9. But guns, and being against them, have become part of the core tribal identity of his party[…]

    For better or worse. Albeit I think it will be for the worse. People don’t like it when a bunch of self-righteous busybodies wants to take their stuff and their rights away, as the early 20th Century Prohibitionists found out the hard way.

    1. True,and if they think the drug war is bloody think what a a gun war would be like.

      1. I think J D Tuccille pointed out that gun owners, by definition, are a group that can truly ruin your day.

    2. Not to pick nits, but the self-righteous busybodies learned absolutely nothing from prohibition except that they needed to be slower in their incrementalism. Average Joe found out the hard way.

    3. The funny thing is, a significant number of Democrats don’t want significant gun control. There are plenty of working class democrats who like hunting and shooting. But the party elite keep thinking it’s going to be a winner.

      1. These would be the registered Democrats who according to the media are actually secret Republicans on account of they support Trump, and therefore violate the No True Democrat test?

  10. “President Obama, your gun control policies seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are they so popular?”

  11. “President Obama, your gun control policies seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are they so popular?”

    1. “President Obama, how is it that you are so wonderful in the face of so much evil opposition to your policies?”

      1. Mr .President,why do your opponents want to kill women and children?

        1. we did the same joke at the same time

          1. Great minds,ect

            1. One guy…multiple personalities?

              1. Multiple guys, one personality

              2. Yes,I’m also Napoleon Bonaparte.

                1. Yes, I’m also Napoleon Bonaparte Dynamite.

      2. “President Obama, exactly how many children do you think your executive order will save?”

        1. How many little black boys are there that look like they could be my son? That many.

          1. He’s just like Shawn Kemp.

    2. + 2 tree rats

  12. What’s Obama Trying to Accomplish with Tonight’s “Town Hall” on Guns?

    Easy. One less day to discuss foreign policy.

    1. It’s a go-to distraction for Team Blue.

  13. “What’s Obama Trying to Accomplish with Tonight’s “Town Hall” on Guns?”

    The same thing he tries to accomplish when he watches the confiscated porn videos in the Justice Department’s evidence locker, except now he’s trying to accomplish it in public.

    1. I hope he bring tissues,or will he just spray the crowd?

  14. “What’s Obama trying to accomplish”

    Don’t laugh, ok? Maybe he’s interested in public policy as evidenced by the fact that he’s run for president two times *and* he’s sickened by the frequent instances of gun violence committed by extremists, nutjobs, malcontents, and people that hate their co-workers?

    Question I’m working on: do you think a person born in Canada to an American mother and a recent Cuban refugee is a “natural born citizen?”

    1. British common law at the time says yes.

      1. So what? Doesn’t natural born mean what it says. Can’t you be a citizen and not be a natural born citizen?

    2. Fuck him. Fuck him with Beau Biden’s shriveled, rotten pecker.

    3. interested in public policy

      Then he should have stayed in the Senate. Congress makes “public” policy, the President makes government policy.

    4. Question,why do you want more laws against guns that have to be enforced by people with guns. You must believe killing people who break these laws is ‘for the greater good’.

      1. Liberals: Think guns are icky and crazy dangerous and only cops should have them. Immediately turns around and bitches about racists cops gunning down black youths.

      2. Don’t forget, these are the same people who throw screaming tantrums about the evil 1% owning government and demand that the response is to give that same government even more power.

    5. It doesn’t matter what I think, the law of the land is born of an American citizen is a Natural Born American Citizen and can hold office.

    6. Also, why is “public” policy enforced by the government? Am I not of “the public”? Why do I have to be told what to do by the government in the name of “public” policy when I am as much “the public” as they are?

      1. Top men ,for the children,ect,ect.

      2. Because most people don’t get their politics by reading a book and recognize that people probably live better when they don’t have to hire a security guard to ensure their safety. I’m a member of the public and I feel like I want to murder you and rape your wife. Why should I as a member of the public be subject to the government’s rules? You’re such a drag. Is your wife hot?

        1. So you have to tell me what to do because you’re a rapist/murderer. That’s just wonderful.

        2. Also, I thought the discussion was about guns, you know the sort of things I could use to stop you from raping and murdering my “wife” (awfully presumptuous of you).

          So what I’m getting is you want to take away guns from people like me so people like you can rape and murder with only the government standing in your way.

          Please, tell me more about this “libertarian” socialism that you’re peddling. Do you by chance have any bridges for sale?

        3. So wanting to own an item for self-defense is the same as raping/killing. Glad to know how that price of your mind works.

          Still living on the dole, I see.

        4. Security guard? You mean like the cops we already pay that have no legal obligation to protect actual individuals or their property? Or do you mean like the Secret Service details that follow the President and Vice President around for the rest of their lives? Or the Capitol Police that serve as security details for Congresscritters and their families? Or the private security firms that famously anti-gun celebrities such as Matt Damon can afford to hire round-the-clock?

          Because, see, for regular people, which is to say the middle class and the poor, and those people who don’t have special political clout, the 2nd Amendment is that security guard. I would think that if you actually cared about the poor and downtrodden and hated the rich and powerful as much as you say you’d support the right of the common people to defend themselves.

        5. american socialist|1.7.16 @ 7:06PM|#
          “Because most people don’t get their politics by reading a book and recognize that people probably live better when they don’t have to hire a security guard to ensure their safety.”

          Poor, poor infantile shit bag. Please go commit suicide; the world will be a better place.

        6. Says the guy who got his politics from that little red book by Marx.

    7. Maybe he’s interested in public policy as evidenced by the fact that he’s run for president two times *and* he’s sickened by the frequent instances of gun violence committed by extremists, nutjobs, malcontents, and people that hate their co-workers?

      Weird then that none of his proposals would actually have any effect on that sort of thing. But hey, he cares!

    8. Don’t laugh, ok?

      Sorry AmSoc…….your mere presence is guffaw inspiring~

    9. The question I have is this: who prefaces their questions by announcing they’re coming?

      Yeah, we can tell it’s a question by the ‘?’ symbol at the end.

      You don’t have to announce the entrance of your questions. They’re not royalty. Hell, they’re not even good questions.

    10. Maybe he’s interested in public policy as evidenced by the fact that he’s run for president two times *and* he’s sickened by the frequent instances of gun violence committed by extremists, nutjobs, malcontents, and people that hate their co-workers?

      He could always use his bully pulpit to ask Congress and the state legislatures.to eliminate the gun-free zones where such “gun-violence” almost always occurs.

    11. He’s about as interested in public policy, and the effects his actions have on it, as you are in paying your mortgage.

  15. This is what Obama believes to be “a national dialogue”, which is Obamese for STFU and let me pontificate for a while to a hand-picked audience of my fans ask pre-screened questions.

    1. I am the kwisatz haderach !

  16. “…a closed-to-the-public “town hall” event…”

    Whut? The whole point of a town hall meeting is that it is open to the public.

    Before this guy showed up I never would have believed that any person could be dead wrong about everything and completely fuck up everything they touch. I guess the only thing he has accomplished is convincing me that such a person exists.

    Also, fuck him. I am not giving up my guns.

    1. And fuck you too AmSoc. Really. Go shove barbed wire up your ass.

      1. +3 rusty wire

      2. I have these terrible doubts about the ultimate perfidy of a man that pulled 150,000 troops out of Iraq. I know it’s better that I align myself with right-wing Republicans who openly long for the days of GWB’s foreign policy. I can’t help myself. I’m an incorrigible apostate, I think.

        1. Too bad I was against the Iraq war,patriot act,et. Have another straw man to use? Your a stupid as you name implies.

          1. This time it’s going to be different. republicans have a great record when it comes to non-intervention and decreasing military spending. How many American soldiers have died in wars started by the past 3 Democratic presidents? Is it more than 10?

            1. LOL at “past 3”. “Past 4” gets kinda awkward, what with the tens of thousands of dead in Vietnam.

              1. How many American soldiers died under wars started by the last 3 Republicans? How about the last 4? I think LBJ and Kennedy were complicit in war crimes. What’s that got to do with bill Clinton and Barack Obama?

                1. What’s that got to do with bill Clinton and Barack Obama?

                  Somalia, Libya…

                  1. That’s like Vietnam or Iraq?

                    1. It’s like gratuitous wars, in general.

                      And you are disingenuous because you keep bringing up this Team strawman thing when most commentators here are far less partisan than you are. Yes LBJ escalated the war, as did Nixon. Bush invaded Iraq and Obama escalated Afghanistan and is currently escalating Iraq and attacking Syria. It’s not about Team Democrat versus Team Republican. It’s about collectivist versus individualists.

                    2. ” It’s not about Team Democrat versus Team Republican.”

                      Good to know. I’m voting for Peace and Freedom Party this year so I’m with you, brother.

                2. AmSoc: “How many American soldiers died under wars started by the last 3 Republicans?”

                  kbolino: “Somalia, Libya…”

                  AmSoc: “That’s like Vietnam or Iraq?”

                  If you’re including wars Reagan started (which you are), then kbolino is right to include Clinton and Obama. Sucks being a partisan shitbag, huh AmSoc?

        2. I have serious doubts about the ultimate perfidy of a man who has murdered more children than a dozen Adam Lanzas suddenly shedding crocodile tears for dead kids, especially when it’s in furtherance of policy preferences he already held.

          Oh, and cool false dilemma, bro.

          1. What false dilemma? I’ve openly stated that I think Obama is the best u.s. President since fdr and that he is far preferable to anyone that is vying to replace him– Bernie sanders notwithstanding.

            1. What false dilemma?

              Either you’re playing dumb or you really are dumb. Dishonest or stupid or both; I don’t care which one it is.

              1. Either you’re playing dumb or you really are dumb.

                Aw, come on Jordan. You should know that if you criticize the Democrats then you’re all-in for the Republicans. Libertarians are just Republicans who smoke pot. Everyone knows this. Duh.

                1. I criticize Democrats all the time. I think Hillary Clinton is a terrible candidate. Is it ok with you if I point out that GWB put 150,000 troops in Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, while Barack Obama pulled out 140,000? Most of the time I spend here I point out things about the extremism of the political Right and the Republcan party. You should see the nastiness my well-intentioned missives engender. It’s appalling. I’m called a racist and a Stalinist! Outrageous. I need some of your sarc in combating some of these people who obviously have become untethered by either decency or reality.

                  1. Most of the time I spend here I point out things about the extremism of the political Right and the Republcan party.

                    The thing that you and most leftists fail to understand is that libertarians are not defenders of the political right nor of the Republicans. Often libertarians end up voting for Republicans only because we see them as the lesser of two evils, mostly because Republicans pay lip-service to economic liberty. But we’re not Republicans. We favor liberty, as in we believe anyone should be allowed to do any damn thing that they want, buy or sell any damn thing that they want, without asking permission or obeying orders, so long as they are not harming the life, liberty or property of someone else. It’s that simple. So simple that leftists like you cannot get it.

                    1. “So simple that Leftists like you cannot get it”

                      Hey sarc,

                      Is this racist?

                      Ching Chong Ding Dong

                      Brian thinks I’m being insensitive. Maybe I should just own it like this…

                      Michelle Malkin

                    2. No, that’s not racist.

                      If he said, “I’m suspicious of black people who claim to be capable of reading,” that would be racist.

                      You know: something actually close to what you just said.

                      You can pull up a performance of “Who’s on first” if you want. That’s not racist or relevant, either.

                    3. Funniest part is, you keep trying to explain how you’re not racist, more or less.

                      “Oh, I’m racist? Is Colbert racist, too? What about Malkin? If they’re not racist, then I’m not!”

                      Whatever makes you feel better, racist.

                    4. american socialist|1.7.16 @ 11:11PM|#
                      “…Brian thinks I’m being insensitive. Maybe I should just own it like this…”

                      You’re an asshole, and there’s no reason to expect otherwise.

                  2. You’re a racist because you said that no real Asian salon works could ever use correct English.

                    You’re obnoxious Team Red obsession has little to do with it.

                    You were called out for your racism. Boo hoo. If you don’t like it, stop saying racist things.

                    The whole “I bitch about Republicans and people say mean things” whine is a little weak. If you want a safe space, go somewhere else.

                    1. “You’re a racist”

                      I’m bored already racist. What’s the next thing you talk about? “Talking about how recent immigrants might not use perfect English is racist” Blah, blah, blah… “It’s bad to talk about Republicans”… “Safe spaces” Oh, so it’s like a tedious litany?

                    2. I get it. You’re bored of your racism, and you find racism accusations “outrageous”!

                      Boo hoo.

                      As far as tedious litany goes, everyone was talking about gun control, until you started on another round of:

                      “Yeah, but what about republicans? Don’t they suck worse than democrats? Oh, you have a response other than complete agreement? You’re all team red hacks! I hate all of you! All you do is talk about republicans and how awesome they are!”

                      Talk about tedious.

                      Sorry you find your racism tedious, but you flipped out completely for a few days over that one, and you can’t really ever take that away from me.

                    3. “Started another round of…”

                      Most of the commenters here we’re concentrating on the duplicity of Barack Obama so I said–and you can read it above– “*and* he’s sickened by the frequent instances of gun violence committed by extremists, nutjobs, malcontents, and people that hate their co-workers?” So, you see, I’m saying that Barack Obama– a man caricatured as a monkey by right-wing fellow travelers, who aren’t racist at all– might actually be motivated by real emotion and conviction and not partisan politics.

                    4. You know, you’re right, Am Soc.

                      God, I’m sorry. I feel like… such… a jerk.

                      You know, this wouldn’t be nearly as fun if you could just get over yourself, but you can’t.

                      Must be a big part of compassionate socialism, or something.

                    5. “God, I’m sorry. I feel like… such… a jerk.”

                      You should. You also throw around false accusations of racism which is despicable. You’re just an asshole, you can’t help it. I get it. Some people are like that. Have you been divorced like 4 times?

                    6. You also throw around false accusations of racism which is despicable.

                      That’s it. Let the butthurt flow through you.

                      I’m sorry. Accusations of racism seem like all the rage with the usual leftist crowd.

                      The reason why it works so well on you is that you define yourself by hating the racist right, which only makes sense if you’re not racist yourself.

                      When your own racism is shown to you, you see that you are what you despise. You’re no better then what you despise.

                      So, of course you go apeshit, and as much as you pretend not to care, you still can’t stop yourself from saying, “Oh, yeah? Well, does that make Colbert a racist, too? I’m not racist if he’s not!” You pretend that you’re bored, but you can’t just let it go. Cover it in as much snark as you want, but you just can’t help but try to justify yourself.

                      Personally, I’d look for some sort of aspiration that goes beyond “being not-racist and hating racists”. It’s a pretty low bar. Too bad you can’t reach it.

                      You’re just an asshole, you can’t help it. I get it. Some people are like that. Have you been divorced like 4 times?

                      See, here’s a response from someone who’s actually being accused of nonsense:

                      .

                      Did you catch that? It’s called not caring about nonsense.

                      It’s quite telling that you respond differently.

                    7. Boy, that’s a lot of psychoanalysis. I’ll pay you $2/hr for this kind of thing. Right-wingers used to bitch about being called racists (a complaint that I thought had some merit), but now they go around accusing the dreaded progressive of being racist. It’s like they’ve become the bitchy, queeny, whiny transvestite whore SJW they once decried. I say it’s not good for your side, Brian.

                  3. “Im called a racist and a Stalinist!”

                    Yes, and a liar, and incredibly stupid and witless

                    (these are 2 different things. There are plenty of dumb people that know how to save face. You walk into the same idiotic mistakes over and over)

              2. “I’ve openly stated that I think Obama is the best u.s. President since fdr and that he is far preferable to anyone that is vying to replace him– Bernie sanders notwithstanding.”

                He’s certainly dishonest, but comments like this suggest that stupidity is the primary driving force.

                1. He’s certainly dishonest, but comments like this suggest that stupidity is the primary driving force.

                  True. But then comments like this suggest it’s actually dishonesty:

                  I know it’s better that I align myself with right-wing Republicans who openly long for the days of GWB’s foreign policy.

                  Most of the time I spend here I point out things about the extremism of the political Right and the Republcan party.

                  So, the correct answer is dishonest and stupid. The perfect recipe for a socialist.

                  1. “So, the correct answer is dishonest and stupid. The perfect recipe for a socialist.”

                    Whatever Ted Cruz. I’ll be sure not to criticize conservatives when I write in the comments of reason.com. You boys are nasty.

                    1. See? Even after you’ve been caught, you just can’t come clean. A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth, right comrade?

                      I couldn’t care less if you criticize the GOP. Of course you have to take it a step further and insinuate that anybody who criticizes Democrats is a Republican.

                    2. american socialist|1.7.16 @ 8:57PM|#
                      “…You boys are nasty.”

                      You are a slimy, dishonest and thuggish piece of shit.

            2. Bernie Sanders is a brain dead fuckwit, ever met the man? I have. He’s a loon.

              1. Bernie Sanders is a brain dead fuckwit

                That describes everyone I’ve seen with one of his bumper stickers as well.

                1. Seriously, what you’re seeing is the carefully groomed version of the Bern. This is him after his handlers have polished him. In reality he’s the guy who will argue with the potted plant in the corner about how much photosynthesis does HE really need, what about all the other plants, Squirrel.

            3. His foreign policy alone disqualifies him for any discussion.

              I meant really. Sit there and tell me his Mid-East shenanigans have been impressive.

              And then there’s Obamacare…his crack down on the press…his killing of U.S. citizens without due process…I’m sure people will finish this off.

              1. his killing of U.S. citizens without due process

                How many tears has BHO wiped away publicly for his administration’s extrajudicial killing of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki? How many town halls has he held to apologize for the hundreds of other children killed in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and a half dozen other nations? I’d love to be a fly on Obama’s wall for a week just to document how many minutes of sleep he loses over the horrendous loss of innocent life that he enables, if not actively causes.

                I’ll give the man this, though: he’s a finer actor than Reagan, and he’s watched Broadcast News often enough to be able to sell the crying schtick (never about children he’s killed, natch) flawlessly time after time. If we get out of his final year without significantly more damage done to civil liberties in one way or another, we should count ourselves lucky.

        3. Drones. Guantanamo Bay is still open. ISIS was essentially created through this President’s hamfisted idiocy, although Hillary helped. We’re going back to Iraq. We’re still in Afghanistan. We’re also now in Africa.

          I can keep going.

        4. ” a man that pulled 150,000 troops out of Iraq”

          I had no idea you were such a GW Bush fan

          ” in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which “all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory”.[11][12][13]’ The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12]

          1. Oh look who decided to show up. It’s reince priebus. Hi, reince.

            Is giving a speech about how you’re going to withdraw troops from a country that you invaded the same as actually doing it. If so, you’re probably a fan of obama’s Afghan policy. I’m not, but you probably are.

            1. I didn’t realize signing an agreement was the same as giving a speech. I learn new things from you everyday, AmSoc.

              1. See? his best idea of ‘clever’ is to pretend that he can’t read plain English, because he’s terrified of confronting facts.

                1. GILMORE?|1.7.16 @ 11:20PM|#
                  “See? his best idea of ‘clever’ is to pretend that he can’t read plain English, because he’s terrified of confronting facts.”

                  Pretty sure the ‘pretend’ naivete isn’t pretend at all; he is that stupid.

                2. No, I get it. The hero of the anti war movement in Iraq is george bush. I get what you’re saying just fine.

                  1. LOL

                    See?

                    Sweetie, Obama did nothing. NOTHING to change the status quo he inherited. Bush “wrapped up” his failed war and set the timetable for withdrawal before Obama took office. He was then freed up to play Warmaker himself and threw 30,000 Americans into Afghanistan which he then decided to ignore for the next 7 years.

                    You think slinging petting insults at the Red Team none of us belong to is supposed to be insulting. And then you falsely try and attribute credits to Blue Team, demonstrating your total ignorance of policy.

                    No one here cares for either team. The only “fact” being demonstrated here is your bone-stupidity and desperation. If you had just a few more brain cells you’d probably be embarrassed.

                    1. So, Gilmore, are you going for Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio? Let me know which pol, who wants to turn sand in Syria green or whatever, you’re going for, would you? Thanks, bro.

                    2. ISIS and the Taliban= Saddam Hussein. I get it– you can’t differentiate. You’re pals below are singing the praises of Anwar al-Alwaki. Good for them, I say.

                  2. american socialist|1.8.16 @ 12:11AM|#
                    “No, I get it. The hero of the anti war movement in Iraq is george bush. I get what you’re saying just fine.”

                    One lie after the other, shitbag. Please commit suicide; the world will thank you, including your mom, if she is honest.
                    You pollute the universe by your existence.

        5. Yeah, it was totally ballsy to stick to the withdrawal plan set up by his predecessor, that scourge of freedom, Booooooshhhhh!

    2. Also, fuck him. I am not giving up my guns.

      I only purchased one of my guns from a licensed dealer, so if they come for them, I’ll gladly hand it over and tell them that that’s all I’ve got. And by the time it does come to that, the rest of them will be in a hole in the ground with several thousand rounds of ammo.

  17. Masturbation, en masse.

  18. I’m marveling that the DNC hasn’t asked Obama to kindly knock it off with the gun control shit. All it takes is for the Stupid Party (grand old version) to get Hil’s opinion (and add Biden and Warren too) on what O’s trying to push through, and then play that back all through September to November. Even better if she keeps yammering on about a mandatory buy-back for AR-15s.

    I can think of few better ways to drive GOP voter turnout, and from people like blue-collar Democrats too, than for Hilary to tie herself to the ‘we’re going to take your guns’ movement.

    1. Except who’s gonna tell him to knock it off that Obama would listen to? DWS, Hillary, Bloomberg, Cuomo? Thanks to Obama’s coattails, the only Dems left in office are from the bluest of blue states, and they all believe that this is the issue that will lead to big electoral success.

      While they claim to be down with the unions, they don’t actually go out and have beers after work at the local UAW hall. So the idea that there are a bunch of hardcore Dems that like to hunt is a foreign notion to them. Even if they don’t go out and vote for Trump, they’re probably not going to be enthusiastic supporters of whoever is running on gun confiscation.

  19. Obama will accomplish face time, pretty much all he’s interested in doing.

  20. According to a hot-off-the-presses NYT news alert, the Ascended One has just vowed to withold support from any nominee who does not tow his mangy malnourished lion with regard to common sense gun control.

    1. So most any R candidate isn’t gonna get to list the light-bringer as a supporter?
      I’m sure that brought tears to, well, just about no one.

  21. Obama is gonna practice his Tammy Baker skills.

    1. Squirt for me!

  22. Group Cry everyone!

  23. What’s he trying to do with this townhall? Isn’t it obvious, he fills the room with sycophants and activists and presents a consensus opinion to the world. Isn’t that how politics works now? This way when you try to bring up legitimate counter points you can be shouted down by a chorus of “CONSENSUS.”

    1. Consensus? The science on gun control is settled! Anyone who disagrees on gun control is a science denier!

  24. Supreme Leader Obama Barrack addresses his spiritual children, absolves dung-devouring cravens at NRA for failure to submit to his majestic presence.

    1. The reality is that the NRA has probably done more to make gun ownership safe that a tool like Obama could possibly understand.

  25. [A] closed-to-the-public “town hall” event[.]

    IOW, astroturf.

  26. On this note, a Colorado legislator just Tweeted about lubricating an AK-47 with “Obama Tears”. Lulz.

  27. If he wants to do something, how about gun safety classes in school?

    It seems like a lot of accidents are caused by people who don’t know better, and those that are simply just playing around with guns.

    Once you make guns not cool by teaching about them in school, demonstrating that they are a tool, not a toy, then you won’t have people playing with them (as much).

    Maybe. But by hyperventilating over them it just sends the wrong message. Like DARE actually encouraging kids to use drugs.

    1. Because that would require some sort of intellectual consistency.

      It’s of utmost importance that we have sex education in schools, but teaching gun safety would expose our nation’s children to truly dangerous ideas.

      /fuckwits

    2. If he wants to do something, how about gun safety classes in school? Once you make guns not cool by teaching about them in school, demonstrating that they are a tool, not a toy, then you won’t have people playing with them (as much).

      Or they might discover that holding a gun doesn’t transform you into a murderous killing machine, that a concealed pea shooter just another thing to have to haul around all day in addition to your wallet and keys, and that it’s really no big deal if someone wants to own or carry one just in case he or someone else nearby is faced with a dangerous situation.

      As every member of the ruling class knows, guns belong in the hands of safe, responsible, intelligent people like technocrats and their highly paid guards, not tax cattlevoters.

  28. Watching CNN. This guy is horrible. He ignores what “shall not be infringed” means. It doesn’t say you are to require the people to pay for licenses, undergo backround checks, and be seen as guilty, or as some dangerous person because they want to protect their families. He’s labeling people that engage in private sales as irresponsible.

    No matter what, anyone hell bent on depriving someone of their liberty or property will do so regardless of the law. They don’t care. So these laws are bullshit, and meant to lead to confiscation should the gov’t get their way.

    The guy just asked a question, how is he going to confiscate all those unregistered guns. He completely ignored the question, and wants to do whatever the hell he wants.

  29. So.

    Is he town halling it up?

    I can’t bear to watch.

  30. Sometimes you gotta roll with it.

    http://www.Full-VPN.tk

  31. “I have heard the voice of The People (my PR team put together) and now I shall Act (like I care)”

    hey, what’s that over there?

    best comment on the link there =

    shread802 2 days ago

    questionably legal
    questionably reliable
    questionably safe
    i have the weirdest boner?

  32. “…CNN says the whole thing was their idea…”

    And they are stupid enough to admit it.

    1. CNN also conducted a poll which they make absolutely zero attempt to make any sense of =

      :
      A new CNN/ORC poll finds 67% say they favor the changes Obama announced
      Almost 6 in 10 say these measures will not be effective in reducing the number of gun-related deaths in the United States.
      Fifty-three percent say they disapprove of Obama’s handling of gun policy in the new poll, while 43% approve.
      More now say Obama has done the right amount to change the nation’s gun laws, 31% say so now, up 11 points from 20% in December. 38% say the President has gone too far in changing the nation’s gun laws, and another 30% say he just hasn’t gone far enough.
      Most Americans say they oppose Obama’s use of executive actions to make these changes, 54% oppose it, while just 44% support that mode of action

      So = “majorities” favor the changes… and “majorities” also think will do nothing to solve the problem, disapprove of his handling of gun policy, and disapprove of executive action.

      Makes sense.

      1. It’s signaling.

        Might as well be a popularity contest on rednecks.

        That answer means, “No, I don’t like rednecks, but I don’t think the government can do anything to stop them”.

      2. Someone should sponsor a poll asking whether MSM journalists should be horsewhipped.

        If you’re going to ask people whether they support the Second Amendment, why not ask them if they support the First, too?

        Thank Allah, our rights don’t depend on a popularity contest.

        Oh, ask people whether Muslims should be thrown out of the country!

        If the unpopularity of our rights is somehow relevant as to whether they should be respected, let’s see how the idiot masses feel about their sacred cows, too.

        Let’s ask the same respondents whether they want to live in a black neighborhood, too. Give us the answer to that poll, and then tell us what the same group of Americans said about gun rights.

      3. “So = “majorities” favor the changes… and “majorities” also think will do nothing to solve the problem, disapprove of his handling of gun policy, and disapprove of executive action.
        Makes sense.”

        And commie-kid is here to provide the evidence…

        1. I don’t care about gun control laws at all. I simply a.) don’t vote for a politician because they’ll let me openly carry a bazooka because I don’t care and b.) aren’t looking to start a war with the federal government.

          1. american socialist|1.8.16 @ 12:48AM|#
            “I don’t care about gun control laws at all.”

            You lying piece of shit, do you think anyone believes the crap you post here? There are life forms less worthy of consuming oxygen, but I’m having a hard time remembering them.
            Please commit suicide; the world will be a better place.

  33. “Reality TV” script written by Aaron Sorkin.

  34. From the headlines:

    The president also called the notion that he is trying to take people’s guns away a “conspiracy.”

    Assuming that Obama understands what a conspiracy is–and he must, being a former law professor–this off-script gem marks him as a conspiracy theorist.

    I’m only surprised he didn’t call it a vast, right-wing conspiracy to provide continuity between obnoxious Democrat executives.

  35. What is Obama trying to accomplish?

    He’s trying to keep gun control and his name in the news–like he isn’t a lame duck.

    We all know AR-15 sales go through the roof every time Obama opens his mouth, but I came across this statistic the other day:

    “In 2005, the ATF processed 41,579 NFA applications of all types. By 2014, that number had increased to approximately 235,000.[7]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Trust#Origin

    I bet a ton of those people paying their $200 and sending in an application never thought they’d want an NFA firearm before Obama opened his stupid mouth. And aren’t those the guns we’re supposed to be worried about?

    1. You see, Brian, this is what most of the thread was about. You know, how Obama is a duplicitous asshole pol, etc., etc. I maintain that maybe he’s legitimately sickened at having to host shell-shocked and grieving parents who have lost their kids to gun violence. I’m just so naive, I guess.

      1. american socialist|1.8.16 @ 12:44AM|#
        “…I maintain that maybe he’s legitimately sickened at having to host shell-shocked and grieving parents who have lost their kids to gun violence. I’m just so naive, I guess.”

        That’s because you’re a fucking ignoramus.
        Please every one of your ‘friends’; commit suicide. They and everyone else will thank you.

        1. While I have found much to disagree with Amsoc about, I find your suggestion that “every one of [his] ‘friends’; commit suicide” extremely disagreeable. While I won’t wish severe depression on you, I do hope that you will some day come to understand it. Maybe you will then be a little bit less hateful toward your fellow human beings.

          1. Yeah, sevo… Why don’t you take the night off and dunk your head? You need to smoke a jay.

            1. Fuck off, Amsoc.

              1. Are you and Sevo one and the same?

  36. from hhs.gov

    Introduction

    The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) required the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to develop regulations protecting the privacy and security of certain health information.1 To fulfill this requirement, HHS published what are commonly known as the HIPAA Privacy Rule and the HIPAA Security Rule. The Privacy Rule, or Standards for Privacy of Individually Identifiable Health Information, establishes national standards for the protection of certain health information. The Security Standards for the Protection of Electronic Protected Health Information (the Security Rule) establish a national set of security standards for protecting certain health information that is held or transferred in electronic form. The Security Rule operationalizes the protections contained in the Privacy Rule by addressing the technical and non-technical safeguards that organizations called “covered entities” must put in place to secure individuals’ “electronic protected health information” (e-PHI). Within HHS, the Office for Civil Rights (OCR) has responsibility for enforcing the Privacy and Security Rules with voluntary compliance activities and civil money penalties.

  37. from gillian tett at ft.com

    “During part of the week, he works in a local pawnshop but he does not lend out cash. Instead, Dave fills out application forms for people who want to buy firearms ? but cannot read or write. He only charges a few dollars for this but the service is so popular that it provides a steady income. “Lots of people round here can’t read and write,” Dave told me with a rueful laugh. “But they all want guns. So they pay me to do that ? I use their driving licences to get all the details.””

  38. Meanwhile the US sells 60% of the worlds military arms and Obama did the largest sale ever to Saudi Arabia a country that just beheaded 47 people for crimes against the State.

  39. I was working all night. So was there crying ? Did it go down like this ?????????

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK0JaEde4VI

    1. A COMPLETE BARFORAMA !!!!!

    2. And this Brian… It goes on and on.

      1. american socialist|1.8.16 @ 12:45AM|#
        “And this Brian… It goes on and on.”

        And this lying shitbag goes on and on, right?

      2. And look who shows up?? Walking. Talking. Vomit.

        1. AMSOC is just butthurt over his hero being a crybaby.

          1. Geesch, people here are so cray-cray that they can’t talk politics without having an anuerism or making false accusations of racism.

            CALM… THE… FUCK… DOWN.

            1. Are you getting angry ? =)

            2. american socialist|1.8.16 @ 1:02AM|#
              “CALM… THE… FUCK… DOWN.”

              Poor shitbag lost his dream in ’89; his stupidity keeps him going…..
              Hey, did you see my suggestions of suicide? I wasn’t joking. You are a cancer on the universe and I’m sure your dog would be happy to piss on your grave.

        2. That was meant for AMSOC not for you Sevo.

      3. And this Brian… It goes on and on.

        Dude, as much as it’s not all about you, it’s not about me, either.

        Get over it.

        1. I’ll try, but did you notice that the commenter was complaining for the 1,212.456th time about how Obama was a dick and how my original comment was about how Obama possibly wasn’t a dick. It wasn’t about guns or Republicans– no matter how much you long for Dick Cheney. Criticizing people who knee-jerk themselves into the pretzel position over Obama doesn’t mean you want to disarm America.

          1. “I’ll try”

            And Fail.

            I’m sure Bass Reeves appreciates your efforts on keeping guns, and law enforcement jobs away from teh black folks.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_Reeves

            1. Fuck Off you Racist Democrat.

            2. I’m almost completely apathetic about efforts to restrict gun ownership. I’d probably say I wouldn’t vote to prohibit private ownership of guns, but wouldn’t care if my community enacted such a law. I don’t own a gun, am not particularly worried about crime, and don’t see private gun ownership as a plausible guaranteer of liberty in the face of a modern army equipped with tanks and nuclear weapons.

              1. “I’m almost completely apathetic about efforts to restrict gun ownership.”

                Good. Then give up on trying to convince people otherwise.

                1. Also give up on trying to use violent force to convince people otherwise.

  40. On The Road to Mandalay was such a great movie. Do you not agree “American” Socialist ?

    1. I haven’t seen it. The 1926 movie? Should I see it? If it has Asians in it, I probably won’t like it.

      Sadly, I don’t get a chance to watch many movies right now. Two toddlers in my house put a damper on my art movie watching hobby.

      1. Shitbag, save your kids. Commit suicide; they will thank you for it.

      2. Right. You just outed yourself. =)

        1. I don’t understand. Sorry.

          1. Oh but you do. =)

  41. Ok… Have a nice night everyone. I’ve enjoyed myself and found most of what I’ve read pretty hilarious. Sweet dreams.

    1. Have nightmares of average people making their own decisions, and choices. =D

    2. Have nightmares of average people making their own decisions, and choices. =D

  42. Teh squirrels are on my side. =)

  43. If I had been in the audience, here’s what I would have asked Obama:

    You say that it’s a crazy conspiracy theory that you want to take away people’s guns, but you have proposed to ban so-called “assault weapons”, and the New York Times has published a front page editorial calling for the government to confiscate those weapons. Do you support the position of the Times editorial?

    If so, then you *are* calling for the government to take away at least some of people’s guns. Why should gun owners believe that you would stop with “assault weapons”, given that handguns are used far more frequently in violent crimes?

    If not, then why not? Is the New York Times promoting crazy ideas and conspiracies?

    1. He said it was a conspiracy, presumably among all those bitter clingers who want to destroy his legacy and leave a trail of dead children from coast to coast, not a conspiracy theory.

      He’s the conspiracy theorist in this scenario, not the RKBA crowd.

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