Ben Carson Lives in a Different America (One That Includes Vermonticut)
Leading the Republican presidential field, the good doctor flubs basic geography.
Just yesterday, Matt Welch pointed out what everyone kind of already knew but was too polite to discuss: Ben Carson, the current leader in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, doesn't know anything about foreign policy.
That wasn't Matt's opinion, by the way. That was what one of Carson's own foreign-policy advisors told The New York Times:
"Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East," Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security, said in an interview. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so "we can make him smart."
To be fair, the Carson campaign said Clarridge, who was pardoned for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan years, was basically senile (he is "coming to the end of a long career of serving our country") and is only an informal counselor to the retired pediatric neurosurgeon. Whose own comments on foreign policy are still pretty odd.
But that was yesterday. More recently, the Carson Campaign has shown its ability to look bad extends to domestic concerns too. Here's a tweet the campaign sent out voicing solidarity with governors refusing to accept Syrian refugees:

Graduates of fifth-grade geography—do they even teach geography any more?—will note that New England looks a little odd in the Carson Campaign's drawing, featuring a state that appears to be Vermonticut. Whether Canada regards this map as an act of aggression remains to be seen, but there's at least one more act of territorial flimflammery hidden in the picture too. (Carson's campaign has since fixed the graphic on its Facebook page.)
This isn't the sort of mistake that makes or breaks a campaign. But even (or especially) as Carson continues to climb in the polls, there's a strong sense not simply that he is a novice in the political arena but that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. That feeling extends even to health care, where you'd expect Carson's depth to be most evident. As Peter Suderman and other have noted, Carson's understanding of health care doesn't seem to be much better than his grasp of foreign policy or the country's northeastern border. Given that Carson's whole campaign is built around his success as a medical doctor, that's far more troubling than his campaign's graphic skills.
Hat Tip: Justin Monticello
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Vermonticut is the 57th state, obviously.
Damn you and the traffic that kept me from posting this before you.
Did Canada not say they would take in 25,000 refugees?
That's just Cytotoxic's cut. The rest of Canuckistan has yet to chime in.
I don't think his grandmother's basement can fit that many.
He'll share everything except his pumpkin spice latte.
You guys really do know me! *blushes*
He'll share everything except his pumpkin spice latte.
Mr Happy Sock has a sad face 🙁
Climate Change.
I blame Bush
So you seriously believe Carson himself drew that map and this shows he doesn't know several of the different 57 states occupy that spot?
Yeah, come on Reason. This is pretty lame. Sure, I'd make fun of it, if Hillary's campaign did the same, but I wouldn't take seriously the claim that is was proof that Hillary Clinton didn't know basic geography.
He should, I mean, he has the responsibility of making sure his people don't fuck up
They didn't screw up, it is normal to group those six states together.
The Jacket seems to be on a run of shitty articles.
A run? You don't get hired by the New York Times without attacking some conservatives!
Obviously he's signalling that campaign donors can kick in a little extra to have their state borders redrawn more to their liking.
+1916
Presidents no longer need to have even a basic knowledge of geography. When the current one campaigned in all 57 states, I think that ship has sailed once and for all.
If Carson, or ANY other candidate, thinks that Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Connecticut are a single state, what difference, at this point, does it make?
If anything, it will make the campaigning slightly easier, because he will only have to visit 45 states to hit every single state in the union. Assuming, of course, that California doesn't go forward with that plan to split off the northern part into its state. Then we will be back at 46 -- or 51 -- or 58, depending on whose math you like.
Put another way -- If you like the state you're living in, you can keep the state you're living in. If you'd prefer it to merge with one or more of its neighbors, just go for it!
"When the current one campaigned in all 57 states, I think that ship has sailed once and for all."
Would that ship be the battleship Missouri where Emperor Hirohito signed the Japanese surrender in Tokyo bay at the end of WW II?
"at the end" makes it sound like a coincidence.
"Tokyo bay" should capitalize "Bay" too.
At least one other error is present.
Hitler signed the treaty, right. It would be appropriate since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
He's on a roll.
A California roll?
I live in NH and we don't want anything to do with the rest of Vermonticut.
"Ben Carson, the current leader in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, doesn't know anything about foreign policy."
Neither does Hillary Clinton but that didn't stop her from becoming Secretary of State.
So, now we're thinking that Carson does his own campaign graphics? Because the person who botched their geography is whoever did the graphic, not the guy who tweeted it.
Get with the narrative RC. Geez.
Literally nowhere in this post does Nick accuse Ben Carson of personally drawing that map.
He suggests that Carson does not know what the Northeastern United States looks like using that map as evidence.
Not a Carson fan by any stretch, but he doesn't suggest it, he outright says it. Though for some reason he blames Peter Suderman and "other".
On a closer read, I see they were pretty careful to refer to the "Carson campaign".
However, I note that the subhead accuses Dr. Carson personally of flunking geography:
Leading the Republican presidential field, the good doctor flubs basic geography.
So my snark stands.
Just let Nick do his cocktail signalling in peace, OKAY?
Literally nowhere in this post does Nick accuse Ben Carson of personally drawing that map.
Who know that Hugh was as disingenuous a cunt as Nick?
Also Ben Carson didn't tweet the graphic. It was an intern who doesn't get paid enough to QA the content before it goes out.
$15 Now!
And speaking of Hillary, let's all remember her conversations with the ghost of Elanor Roosevelt
Wait a second. Did you need to write this story to get invited to the free drinks Press Party in DC? If so, it's perfectly understandable Nick.
You can say that again
Wait a second. Did you need to write this story to get invited to the free drinks Press Party in DC? If so, it's perfectly understandable Nick.
noyce!
Welp - I was on the fence, but now FER SURE I'm not voting for Carson.
Thanks, Nick!
Now you're just throwing away your opportunity to prove you're not racist!
No, voting for a black Republican just proves that you are a racist and trying to hide it. At least I think that's how it works.
Ben Carson, the current leader in the race for the GOP presidential nomination
Huh? Is there a poll that supports this? Or has someone become unmentionable?
Wishful thinking?
It is an astonishing introductory statement, contrary to fact, after which Nick goes into a full force micro-geography grievance.
The contestants are asked:
The president of Turkminstan is:
a) Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow
b) Muhammad Muhammad
c) Engelbert Humperdinck
d) Turd Ferguson
It's a funny name.
Isn't it a little early for Clarridge to be giving interviews where he announces the boss' incompetence and jockeys for a book deal?
Vermonticut would either be completely amazing or total shit, depending on which aspects of each it got. Kind of like Nick's alt-text.
The map also seems to show the Maine has annexed Nova Scotia and the Bay of Fundy.
That much flannel can't be contained by borders.
The obsession over the "57 states" comment in here is amazing. Who gives a fuck? Obama (quite obviously) misspoke: there were 57 Democratic presidential primaries in 2008. Seriously, beat a different dead horse. It wasn't a "gotcha" moment then and it looks even dumber to repeat it 8 years later.
But there are also 57 Islamic things or varieties of Heinz ketchup so it proved that Obama is a Manchurian condiment or something.
It's what is known as a joke.
And its trotted out, these days, as a response to people accusing candidates of being stupid ("flunking basic geography") on pretty much the same basis as Obama's error.
Especially since the constant refrain from the left has been that Obama is the smartest president that the country has ever had.
I have it on good authority that GWB was mentally disabled, and the proof is that he would misspeak.
Obama is an authoritarian, cocksucking, conniving piece-of-shit politician, and making fun of that demonstrably awful, immoral, gutless fuckbag is a positive thing in every way.
Agreed.
I hate that little twink with the heat of a thousand suns. Everything he has done has been detrimental to our country and I cannot believe it is due solely to stupidity.
You forgot "malodorous pervert". Not that I disagree.
One thing you will find is that there is no horse too decayed and pulped for H&R commenters to continue flagellating.
Way to tow the lion, Hugh!
Or feed into a woodchipper, as it were.
woodchipping dead horses is the glue that holds the commentariate together.
#Oldmemesmatter
Present company [fill in the blank]cluded?
The only old meme I know I keep alive is the "For a magazine called Reason..." one, but only when it's absolutely essential.
Well then your fingers should be sore from typing it so many times yesterday.
*googles Hugh's comments from yesterday*
I did it once yesterday.
You know who else continued to flagellate a dead horse....
Mongo?
The guy in Raskolnikov's dream in Crime and Punishment?
Catherine the Great?
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it: there is a slight tendency for Reason commentators to occasionally indulge in just that kind of behavior.
Only about 8% of the posts.
Nick is a cosmotarian, Moynihan is a Nosferatu, ENB is a hipster and Shackford is playing the long con.
STEVE SMITH LOVE DEAD HORSE! OR LIVE HORSE! STEVE SMITH NOT NITPICKY COSMOTERRIBLIAN!
Why don't we poll millennials?
Or a just piece of bare ground where used to lie the carcass of an ex-Equus caballus. In any of the 57 states.
Obama, being a secret Muslim will only get 57 virgins.
There is no "secret" about it.
It is a comment that most of these "gotcha" moments are cheap grandstanding but some special pols get a pass on them.
The obsession over the "57 states" comment in here is amazing. Who gives a fuck?
To borrow a favorite phrase of the open-borders crowd: ease off on the pants-shitting rage, bassjoe.
The article we're commenting on is an empty-headed attempt to spin a careless error into Proof the Candidate Is an Ignoramus. That's why I poked fun at the "57 states" comment, because it was the exact same thing.
Yet people are still repeating Quayle's misspelling of tomato even though he was simply reading off the spelling card given him by the spelling-bee organizers.
My real concern is what the hell is up with Maine.
Did someone not remember it?
They remembered it, but decided to stretch it out like a sardine.
Sardine-stretching time!!
Psychics, ancient Indian burial sites, aliens, and fog-dwelling monsters.
At least they remembered Michigan's upper peninsula.
#YooperLivesMatter
They do not you liar!
What we need is smart, Mid East expert like Hillary Clinton as President.
What I want to know is how the fuck do you fuck that up? There are dozens of open-source/public-domain maps of the US in existence that can be used to make a graphic like that, so who the hell went through all the trouble to re-draw it only to fuck it up? That's just baffling to me...
"who the hell went through all the trouble to re-draw it only to fuck it up?"
Yeah, that was my first thought. Future government employee I suppose. Jobs ready to fuck up.
This is stupid.
For christ's sake, Nick, most mainstream media would characterize Reason as being more retarded on Foreign Policy than the worst of Carson's inane babble. Your "expert" on the topic is *Sheldon Richman*... and the only person backing him up as far as I can tell is Ed. Not exactly the team you're going to impress the wonks in Georgetown with.
If you're going to bust Carons ball, at least do it on something that this magazine has some credibility in. No one AFAIK reads Reason for its sharp, informed commentary on international relations.
True story.
Hey, how about having Balko rank all of the Presidential candidates on police brutality and drug policy? You know, the guy who put Reason on the map for coverage on those issues?
No?
Eh, you're right. Donald Trump/Syria refugees clickbait is what we're all here for. That, and Lobster Girl.
Balko's not here, man!
*hangs up phone*
Wait, there's a lobster girl?
There is only one original. Full size
http://user.vse42.ru/files/P_S.....475227.png
Carson has the Vermonticut equivalent of testicles - just one solid mass where at least two should be.
Boom. Someones on a roll.
Can we call him Butter?
Brutal truth.
That's the future map. Carson's master plan to consolidate and cut overhead. Why do we need 50 States?
Because nothing is sexier than a bloated flatulent man with garlic breath.
Nothing says I want to impress like an all you can eat buffet.
Good news for all you ladies who take me to the buffet: my shit don't stink.
You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.
My comments on this story are less stupid than the actual story, which is not right.
That's not okay?
Absolutely not.
Sorry.
(hides face in shame)
He's just trying to suck up to Maryland by giving them more territory and New York by embarrassing New England.
Reason's "Ben Carson is Dumb" meme is getting a little old. Do any of the writers at Reason think they are more intelligent than Carson?
Not just old but pointless. The man has little chance of winning.
I just ran to the store to get smokes...Levin was on the radio hammering away about the 'refugee' situation. The invasion of europe, the collapse of Sweden and the snowballing of things there is going to cause people to rethink things.
I have already talked to four people in the last week who are deserting the Dems and looking for the Republican with the biggest war boner. I think the terror attack in Paris and the growing awareness of the situation over there has people scared. It is going to change the whole dynamic of this race.
The SJW shenanigans on campuses also have them concerned. One person I talked to who has been a hippie type since the 60's was voicing her concern over 'moral decay'. I had to bite my tongue on that one. I think they have some sense that there is an intersection between the SJW nonsense and the muslim thing but they don't know how to articulate it, it is just a sense.
I see the left pushing things too far. What happened in Europe won't happen here, at least I hope not.
Every time Ben Carson opens his mouth some sort of crazy shit comes out. I don't necessarily think he's dumb, just completely fucking nuts.
The man may have great hand-eye coordination, excellent spatial reasoning, and be able to memorize tall stacks of index cards in a single pass. I also think he's dumb as a rag. He's a surgeon.
A bigger concern about Carson to me, by the way, is his vanity. http://tinyurl.com/ofat7pb
Lets jsut roll with the punches dude, I mean like seriously.
http://www.CompleteAnon.tk
That's just fucking terrible. I'd expect a retarded 5th grader to do better. It's like the staffer who put that together got to the New England states and just went "Tiny states! So hard! How fit?" and just stacked them together any which way. I'm pretty sure not all 57 states are even there!
There is a worse problem with Dr. Carson, worse even than his apparent near-total ignorance of basic civics, government, and foreign policy, and that worse problem is that he shows no interest in correcting these problems. Carson's ignorance is not new news; the media have been noticing it for several months now. In that time, a serious candidate would have been able to take crash courses in civics and foreign policy and learn what he needs to know. Carson has apparently done nothing, not tried to learn anything.
Ignorance is excusable--no one is born with knowledge of civics, government, or foreign policy--but failure to correct that ignorance is alarming.
New Brunswick would make a fine addition to the US that Canada (aka "Ontario") wouldn't even miss. What's wrong with forward thinking?
I have to take issue with this whole thing.
There aren't 57 states. That's nonsense.
Dear Leader said that He'd been to 57 states already and that He had one more to go.
There are, as He noted, 58 states. It is important to keep His word from being corrupted.
Boy, do I feel sheepish!
I'm sure Carson is really responsible for campaign maps...
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Looks like an intern inadvertently dragged and dropped a few states in a powerpoint slide.
OMG
touchy, touchy, Mr. Sensitive.
This is awesome.
2nd best doctor running!!
Does anyone here think this article would be written if it was Rand Paul's map?
Does Paul have a map with stuff outside the U.S., or is that all labelled "Not My Problem Land"?
As someone who grew up in new England and has lived in most of the states there, this article is absurd. Many maps group the 6 states together because they are so small.
It is so common to do this, that to attack Carson for it simply means Nick is trolling against Carson and looking for any reason to hit him.
Nick obviously is a racist monster who should be banned from here
Someone just became the best commenter ever.
*bookmarks thread in "Private Window" folder*
Only 9 more for a calendar
Ladies and Lobsters 2016?
And for the ladies, we can make a calendar using pics of shirtless, oiled-up commenters posing seductively next to busts of the Founding Fathers and Ayn Rand. Our trim, firm bodies, honed through hours of desk work and internet commenting, will surely command the attention of many a fine potential female libertarian.
I'm still waiting on the female libertarian calendar
You forgot bemonocled!
We'll fix it in post production like they did with Bieber*
*It is alleged the before photo is faked, but I'd counter-allege that they should've kept altering the photo until he looked like Ben Cohen, and only then stopped with the editing.
And swarthy.
The monocle, top hat and cane were implied by "posing seductively", you idiot.
Now if you'd mentioned my lack of mention of orphans, you'd have had a point.
Can't have orphans in the calendar, you madman! Enough of us are on various sexual offenders lists already...
...I mean, so I hear.
To be truly good looking Ben Cohen needs to get his nose broken. He's a bit too perfect and well groomed.
Someone's having a Fight Club moment.
Also your like of homeless Tom Hardy makes a bit more sense.
HAWT.
It is so common to do this, that to attack Carson for it simply means Nick is trolling against Carson and looking for any reason to hit him.
It makes sense. Nick is as "libertarian" as they come, not a socialist at all. Just like former reason writer Dave Weigel.