Pope Francis

Does Pope Francis Understand Economics?

Judge Andrew Napolitano says no.


Pope Francis is visiting the U.S. this week with many journalists tracking his whereabouts. But Judge Andrew Napolitano is more concerned with the Pope's fiscal beliefs. In a conversation with Reason's Editor in Chief, Matt Welch, the Judge discusses his frustrations with Pope Francis on the eve of his first Papal visit to the United States. Napolitano takes issue with the pope's exhortations on economic issues and Catholic tradition when it comes to allowing marriage annulments and permitting priests to forgive abortion

Originally published on September 20, 2015. Original text below:

"The pope is by his own words a Peronist," says Judge Andrew Napolitano, Fox News' Senior Judicial Analyst. "He is probably also a communist and a Marxist, who does believe the government ought to control and motivate the means of production and means of distribution."

As both a devout Catholic and principled libertarian, Napolitano believes Jesus Christ would reject the pope's view of economics. "The essence of libertarianism is the primacy of the individual over the state and absolute freedom of the individual to make his or her own choices," Napolitano explains. "That's also the teachings of Jesus Christ: 'I have come to set you free.'"

In a conversation with Reason's Editor in Chief, Matt Welch, the Judge discusses his frustrations with Pope Francis on the eve of his first Papal visit to the United States. Napolitano takes issue with the pope's exhortations on economic issues and Catholic tradition when it comes to allowing marriage annulments and permitting priests to forgive abortion. 

"Speeding up annulments…is a rejection of his papal role," says Napolitano. "He has assaulted matrimony. For him to make annulments easier is a backdoor towards permitting divorce."

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    1. Second.

      And I will add, the rhetorical question in the subject really needs to be put to bed. This Pope answers it himself all the time, in multiple languages.

    2. Oh, come off it.

      The Pope understands economics just as well as President Obama.

      1. No, I think Obama understands economics and he wants an economic system that only benefits a group of oligarchs in a caste system, while everyone outside that special group remains as equal peasants. He's no different than any other narcissistic megalomaniac.

        The commie pope on the other hand, doesn't understand economics at all.

        1. Yeah, the pope probably believes the shit he says, wrong as it is.

        2. He is a narcissist, but you're giving him too much credit on the education front. There are loads of Obama-esque characters with his academic background who would be as economically illiterate.

  1. Wait, Fist isn't first comment? This is historic!

        1. Every Saturday is historic, especially Saturdays of the past.

    1. It's not an A.M. Link. Just the first story. I'm pretty sure his deal with Reason only applies to AM and PM links. Just curious as to what it cost him.

  2. oh, he understands economics all right. He just chooses to insist on things that have proven to be failures.

    1. Collectivism is a proven failure.

      1. Yea, but let's keep trying anyway !

        1. All that bad luck has to run out eventually.

          1. Take it from me, it doesn't.

  3. What if the Pope was a communist piece of shit?

    1. Alex, is it "Who is Pope Francis"? Did I win?

    2. What if he still was?

    3. What?

  4. This Pope's economic beliefs are fully untransubstantiated.

    1. *thunderous applause*

      1. You must have big hands.

        1. I see your dirty mind is at work again.

  5. Better to be equally poor than unequally rich.

    1. Pope Francis can go first, lead by example.

      1. He did! Haven't you heard that he eschewed the papal palatial area, lives in the dorm, and eats with the janitors? I think it was only in the first two paragraphs of every single one of thousands of media stories this past week. Every prog's been falling all over him/herself to praise this.

        1. Meanwhile none of their actual progressive heroes, with perhaps the exception of Sanders who's more old-school socialist ideologue, would deign to sacrifice the slightest creature comfort to slum it with normies for longer than the brief photo ops require.

        2. So he sold off all the church's holdings and gave it away to the needy?

          1. What is Latin for noblesse oblige?

            1. "Get stuffed" I believe.

          2. I wonder, could a Pope actually do that? How much of an absolute monarch is he?

        3. I think that aspect of this pope is praiseworthy.

  6. I had plans to head down to the Philly area this weekend to visit some friends and relatives. I'm reading in Ye Olde Hometown Newspaper about the traffic restrictions close to Philly and the possibility of backups and problem out in the boonies where my friends and relatives are. I'm happy I didn't head down.

  7. and permitting priests to forgive abortion

    Wait...I thought god granted forgiveness? And something about in order to walk in the kingdom of heaven all you need do is accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior?

    I'm confused.

    The only thing worse than Christianity is Catholicism (well, maybe not the ONLY thing, but close).

    1. Catholic teaching looks back to "What you loose on Earth is loosed in Heaven, and what you bind on Earth is bound in Heaven" as a basis for confession and reconciliation.

      And something about in order to walk in the kingdom of heaven all you need do is accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior

      That has been a major fault line between Catholics and Protestants since the get go. Catholic teaching stresses the need to act in a Christian way, not just think the right thoughts or hold the right beliefs in your heart.

      OK, I'll stop being Eddie now.

    2. Wait...I thought god granted forgiveness?

      The vague memory I have from Ye Olde Days of Catholic School is that whomever hears Confession is acting as God's representative, and so is just acting on behalf of God, and so that's how priests and the like can grant forgiveness.

      I never put a whole lot of thought into it. At some point I decided the whole bit is hogwash and stopped going to Confession. God, if any deity exists, wasn't a party to the wrong I did, assuming I did wrong. The Catholic Church considers a whole slew of things "wrong" that aren't actually wrong.

      1. whomever hears Confession is acting as God's representative, and so is just acting on behalf of God, and so that's how priests and the like can grant forgiveness.

        That's good work, if you can get it. I'm Father Flanagan and I'm paid to represent god (and molest little boys).

        1. That's good work, if you can get it.

          Yes it is, and you have to be able to stomach it too.

        2. That's good work, if you can get it.

          Well, I'm pretty sure they are having a hard time getting enough priests.

          I'm paid to represent god (and molest little boys).

          Be fair. A lot of them molest teenage boys and girls too.

          You must know more Protestants than Catholics. Catholics have always been all about the church being the intermediary between God and people.

      2. "God, if any deity exists, wasn't a party to the wrong I did, assuming I did wrong."

        "Whatsoever you do to the least of My brothers, that you do unto Me"

        The basic theology kind of disagrees with you.

    3. Wait...I thought god granted forgiveness? And something about in order to walk in the kingdom of heaven all you need do is accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior?

      I'm confused.

      That's *evangelical* Christianity and variations of liberal Christianity.

      In Catholicism that's only a *first step* on the road to salvation.

      1. Step two is recognizing that your priest is your only avenue to god, step three is tithing, step four is knowing when to stand and/or kneel.

      2. The question of how one is saved has been a major schism point throughout the history of Christianity (when people actually got access to the texts) and the fault is in the New Testament itself. There are five "methods" put forward, each with direct scriptural backing, and they are contradictory. The five are: 1) faith alone, 2) works alone, 3) faith+works, 4) everyone, 5) God already knows who is going to be saved so it doesn't matter what you do. The first gives rise to the evangelicals, the third Catholics and Episcopalians, the fourth Unitarians and the fifth Calvinists.

    4. "Wait...I thought god granted forgiveness? And something about in order to walk in the kingdom of heaven all you need do is accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior?"

      Not in any traditional sect. That's some kind of fundamentalist trip. And what the blazes does it even mean to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour? It may be meaningful in some abstract sense, but it's not like a person can just flex his accept jesus muscle at will and something happen.

      Traditionally, God forgives anybody who fulfils a short list of reqs, which don't require a cleric. Willingness to accept forgiveness, willingness to do penance and be reformed, and something else. Perhaps a monetary donation.

      1. And what the blazes does it even mean to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour?

        I don't know. I don't even know what a saviour is. I mean, I've heard of a savior but never a saviour. 🙂

        1. He's the one he saves Canucks and Limeys. Probably those filthy Aussies and Kiwis too.

      2. What in blazes does any of it mean?

      3. Perhaps a monetary donation.

        I don't know how I missed this from earlier in the day.

        When I was maybe five or six, my dad took me with him when he went to go visit the parish priest. A relative had died. My dad wanted the priest to mention the relative in an upcoming Mass.

        I remember the priest going on and on about how sorry he was for our loss as my dad is trying to get him to mention our relative. My dad eventually pulled out his wallet and gave the priest some money. The priest thanked my dad and said something along the lines of, "When I ask the congregation to pray for others at this Sunday's Mass, I'll ask them to pray for you and yours in your time of loss."

        I don't remember if the priest actually did it.

  8. Napolitano believes Jesus Christ would reject the pope's view of economics

    I'm going to go on record and say I don't really give a shit what Jesus Christ or the pope think about economics.

    1. But that's you. The pope is saying things with the implied meaning that his words = those of a deity. And nothing we have read about Jesus indicates a desire to use coercion or force.

      1. The good part comes when the leftards recite the pope's words to baptists during economic discussions. Coming soon to VOX. Actually, if it is on VOX you might hear about it on Reason before anybody else.

      2. Actually - no.

        Only when the Pope is speaking ex xathedra is he speaking in infallible mode. And even then, there are checks on what he can say and still be accepted as speaking ex cathedra.


      3. Uhm, actually there are several things we've read about Jesus that indicates a willingness to use force.

        The 'money-changers in the temple' story is one of them.

        Oh, and there's that whole 'Hell' thing also.

        1. Perhaps so, but he still not violent. I mean, if you come home one day and there's a gang of Jewish pawnbrokers set up shop on your lawn, busting up the dandelions and mowing down the fairy rings it took you twenty years to culture, blocking the door and yelling obscenities at your mother when she tried to come over and even broke in your treasure room and raped your wife and kids to death... then you'd be justified in some use of force.

          1. OK, Christ might be the Son of God - but that was *God's* house and Jesus didn't live there.

            Jesus had no business getting involved. And he got involved. *Violently*. In expelling the money changers from the temple that *their own donations* had likely built.

    2. I believe that Jesus Christ (the character in the Bible) doesn't give a shit about economics. Wasn't the whole thing supposed to be about not bothering with worldly things like that and preparing yourself for the kingdom of heaven?

  9. For him to make annulments easier is a backdoor towards permitting divorce."



    Everyone knows the role of the church is to force people who've grown apart to live together and be miserable for the rest of their lives. It's a very libertarian concept, Judge.

    1. Right?

      I mean, think of the children growing up in those unhappy marriages. How else are they going to learn what a real, loving relationship is like if they don't have two parents that hate each other?

        1. Hey, if the Catholic church won't think of the chillruns, who will?

          1. Afghan commanders?

    2. For him to make annulments easier is a backdoor towards permitting divorce.

      And to think, it's the back door that often causes divorces in the first place.

      1. Need to remember to scroll down before I post.

    3. You know what other backdoor might lead to divorce...?

          1. What sort of sap works on a Saturday?

            I mean, besides busting up and carting off concrete this morning, but... I'm done with that now.

            1. How did you do it? Did you have to rent a jack hammer?

              I have a concrete rectangle in my backyard that someone had constructed as a parking spot... I want to get rid of it. Do you just jack hammer it up? And where do you dispose of it?

              1. 1. Yes, with a jackhammer.
                2. In the neighbor's yard.

              2. Chipping hammer, the jackhammer's little brother. I don't know whether it makes a difference since the slab I was dismantling was already pulled out of the ground, but the chipping hammer is much easier on the back. And then it goes into my employer's dumpster, but normally you'd haul it to a landfill.

              3. How big is your slab? busting up concrete with nothing but a sledge hammer is no big deal. If you can get under it with a spud bar or other lever and lift it even an inch one or two good whacks over the void should start fracturing it and once started it will usually break apart fairly easily. I've busted up many a slab and unless very thick, really old, or embedded with straw/horsehair there is really no need for a jack hammer.

                1. Chipping hammers? pneumatic jackhammers? Sledgehammers? hydraulic expansion? Amateur explosive demolition?


                  1. Ok the recommended videos in the sidebar for that hydraulic expansion video are perhaps some of the best videos EVER!



                2. If it's well reinforced, it can be pretty damn hard with a sledge hammer.

            2. I work every Saturday, thank you.

    4. When people stop joining your club, time to change the rules of your club.

      1. Yeah, it's not as if they haven't done it before.

    5. Especially after gay people fought so hard to enjoy divorce. It's insulting.

  10. OT: Remember the gun instructor that shot and killed a Pennsylvania State Trooper? The dead trooper's mother is suing the instructor.

    The suit contends that Schroeter, a 23-year veteran of the state police before retiring in April, caused the death of Kedra by acting recklessly and not following safety protocols during a firearms training course.

    Procedures weren't followed?

    "Before his death, David Kedra suffered extreme pain and suffering, shock, emotional distress, and terror of dying. As a result of his death, his estate and heirs have suffered and continue to suffer other damages, including but not limited to loss of earnings and destruction of earning capacity, loss of life's pleasures, and all other damages cognizable under Pennsylvania's 'Survival' and 'Wrongful Death' statutes," the complaint states.

    It will help that Kedra was a King's Man.


    1. Quiz time:

      During the training, Schroeter was demonstrating the trigger pull on the weapon with it aimed in Kedra's direction. The weapon went off and Kedra was hit in the stomach.

      Which rules of gun safety did Schroeter not follow?

      Schroeter was charged with five counts of recklessly endangering another person in January by the Montgomery County District Attorney's Office and in August was sentenced to two weeks in county jail to be followed by three months of house arrest. Schroeter was ordered to surrender himself to Montgomery County Correctional Facility on Sept. 11 and should be released this Friday.


      1. I'm going to go with 1 & 3.

        1: always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

        3: always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

        1. Not 3. The gun was ready to use because he was intending to use it for self defense and in his capacity as a police officer.

          Just like I don't carry my (tiny little) pistol unloaded until I'm confronted by a threat.

          He definitely violated 1 though.

          And the 'keep your finger off the damn trigger idiot!' rule - I'm not sure what number that one is.

          1. The trigger rule is #2 on the NRA list -- all these lists have different orderings and wordings though.

            He was in fact breaking #3 as it was being used for training and demonstration purposes, not self-defense at that moment. The exception that allows you to keep the gun loaded to be ready for self-defense is null and void once you start using the gun for something else.

      2. Which rules of gun safety did Schroeter not follow?

        Depends on how you look at it.

        1. "Stay away from the sharp end"

          Like with snakes.

      3. Always assume the gun is loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

      4. "Which rules of gun safety did Schroeter not follow"

        Never allow a cop to handle a firearm?

      5. "Don't take out your gun if cops are nearby"?

    2. "Before his death, David Kedra suffered extreme pain and suffering, shock, emotional distress, and terror of dying."

      So they're suing because Kedra was a snivelling coward. Next they'll sue somebody for making him gay.

      1. Isn't sniveling, pants-wetting, puppy-shooting coward a prerequisite for getting the job?

  11. No. But he does know how to work his way up to be the head of a large corporation with assets and revenues that fill greedy capitalists with envy.

  12. OT: Ex-cop who stole drugs from the evidence room will spend time in jail.

    Dann pleaded guilty to four felony counts of acquisition of a controlled substance by fraud for taking 1,265 grams of cocaine, 88 tablets of OxyContin, 123 tablets of oxycodone and seven tablets of hydrocodone and the theft charge before Judge Jonathan D. Grine on Tuesday, Office of Attorney General spokeswoman Sadie Martin said in an email.

    Dann was sentenced to three to 23 months in Centre County Correctional Facility followed by five years of probation and will begin serving the sentence on Oct. 2, Martin said. He had been free on $50,000 unsecured bail.

    The remaining charges were withdrawn, Martin said.

    Interesting. He will spend more time in jail than the instructor mentioned in my comment above.

    1. 23 months for all that? Would any of us serfs get such a light sentence, even if we solicited sympathy by claiming we're addicts? Notice how any other time, most articles will give you an approximate dollar value of the drugs so John and Suzy Q. Public can shit their pants and fear for their kids a little more. Fucking horseshit.

  13. I love the Judge, but the mental gymnastics required to square Catholic dogma and libertarianism are astounding.

    1. If you want an even more hilarious example of this, check out some of Tom Woods' podcasts about this. I love Tom Woods, but please drop the attempts at such a synthesis.

      1. God knows we wouldn't want to reassure people of faith that the market isn't Satan's playground.

      2. In Woods' defense, he wrote a book many years ago explaining how the Church contributed to the origins of the market economy.

        The anarcho-Catholic faction (Rockwell, TW, the Judge) is just as weird as the evangelical/anarcho group, though.

    2. "The essence of libertarianism is the primacy of the individual over the state and absolute freedom of the individual to make his or her own choices," Napolitano explains.

      Yeah, that's kinda the heart of Protestantism. Catholicism don't go for that crap.

      Which is why it was annoying as hell all the people squawking about Carson saying a Muslim shouldn't be President and immediately pointing to JFK and the anti-Catholic sentiment that said a Catholic couldn't be President because he would be subservient to the Pope. Well, JFK made it clear he was so qualified to be President because he wasn't a good Catholic. A good Catholic, like a good Muslim, obeys the will of the Almighty - the will of the Almighty being known but to the higher-ups in the Church. (Which in some ways makes them better than the Protestants - George Bush regularly spoke to God and followed His commands without anybody sitting the damn fool down and explaining that it's fine for you to talk to God but if you think God's talking to you you're a loon. Catholics at least have the humility to believe they are not actually worthy to talk to God and therefore require the intercession of their betters to have God hear their prayers.)

      1. I want a Greek/Roman pagan for president.

        Not sure whether to invade a country? Read chicken entrails!

        We'd go to war less often that way.

        1. I could do without the entrails, but a Marcus Aurelius or two would be most welcome. Here's to a whole generation of Stoic presidents.

          1. Yeah, but Marcus Aurelius would be un-electable ala Ron Paul in our system. We'd end up with Commodus or Caligula.

  14. Pretty week slate of college football matchups this week, but here's your predictions for the Top 25 matchups.

    UCLA vs Arizona: I'll take Arizona at home with the Game Day atmosphere in the upset. But UCLA still has some of best uniforms in college football. Love the powder blue.

    Utah vs Oregon: Oregon. I like Utah but the Ducks are too tough at home.

    And of course, I know you are all interested in how Penn State is doing. Well after a historically bad performance in week one vs Temple they've shown some signs of life on offense led by true freshman Saquon Barkley. This is still a very incomplete team, but there is talent there. This week they have San Diego State. Should be a win.

      1. I bet you're a huge lacrosse fan.

        1. I bet you're a huge lacrosse fan.

          I just don't understand people's fascination with spectator sportzballz.

          But, to each his own. I try to be less condescending to sportzballerz than I am to say... Catholics. At least sportzball is real.


          1. Catholics are real. I saw something on the news this week.

          2. You guys like sportsball? Huge sportsball fan here.

          3. Make sure to read the alt text

            Oh, and I'll assume your not a Notre Dame fan.

            1. nice 🙂

    1. personally, I'm hoping to not scream curses at the television over my alma mater's self-inflicted wounds. Who knows; the new qb is a guy Trent Dilfer calls a game-changer. Not sure that's a label I would pin on a redshirt freshman making his first start, but the status quo was no longer tenable.

      1. I think I said last week that Auburn is just one of those teams that is either really good or really disappointing. This year it's going to be disappointing.

        1. still early. And the heart of the schedule is approaching. A lot of people in Columbus OH were disappointed early on and that turned out okay. Not saying AU gets near the last game of the season but there is time to have it end well.

          1. Just looked at the Auburn schedule. SJSU, Kentucky, and Idaho are slam dunks in the "w" column. But the rest of that schedule looks pretty rough. I think it will be a long season for you, wareagle. Maybe this is the year you spend Saturdays rebuilding that '64 Dodge Dart in your barn, instead of watching college football?

            1. Dodge Dart? Why not just knit a sweater.

              1. Because you can't drive a sweater!

                1. Had a buddy in high school with a pretty old dart. Had 3 on the tree. Man that thing was ugly. I had a '72 Cutless 350 Rocket. It was awesome. I also, at points had a '72 Charger and and old Skylark which I believe may have been '72 as well. Paid $75 for the Skylark. Beat up as hell but dependable. Had a '77 two tone Grand Prix with T-Tops that I lived out of for a while. T-Tops unfortunately leaked.

                  1. I only paid $500 for the Charger which was in great condition.

    2. I predict beer. See, it's a win-win.

      1. so what's the over-under on beer today? I'm a say five.

        1. Well my spirit says 20 but we'll see what my body says. Depends if I start with crafts which I probably will. That gameplan always lowers the score.

          1. I have a large bottle of Victory 12 in the fridge. Also, have a bottle if Samual Smiths Organic Cider which I'm curious about and will probably start with.

        2. Probably only one for me today.

            1. I do have a couple of cases in the basement....

              On a more serious note, one bottle. I haven't made up my mind if I'll have a bomber bottle or a regular 12 ounce bottle.

              1. I honestly have no desire to drink one beer. That's just a tease.

  15. As someone who owned a smallbusiness, [ 15 person barber and beauty shop ) and now single self employed,he's a fucking idiot. BTY,I make more by myself not paying all the taxes and payroll then I did with all those people.Not to mention the headaches form some employees.

    1. Having been in H and R for almost 27 years, most of it in Labor Relations, I've noted over the years that I would never, ever hire an employee if I had my own business. Would have to be something I could do on my own, or with my family, or through subcontractors, etc.

      Cause employees are nothing but future lawsuits and Workers Comp payments. No, not the majority - but enough that I would NEVER entertain hiring anyone as an employee.

      It's not so much "the potential non-employees'" fault as it clearly is the government, who mandates all this shit and makes big companies like the one I work for a target.

      OTOH, I've made a career out of it. Between government and people's nature, I will always be employed if I wish to be. It's a target-rich environment.

      1. You preach it brotha.

        My next move is to sell out and do exactly that.

        Employees can potentially be a head ache and can literally ruin you. My father didn't expand his tailor business because of the problems employees gave him. He had 15 at one point and figured it was better for his sanity to be a one man show.

        I have to build a case file each time we have a problematic employee. You can't just fire their fricken asses. In the meantime, they can come in late, steal hours, make trouble gossiping, and so on while I pay payroll taxes to cover social benefits for their sorry asses.

        It's implicit now in the mindset that businesses exist to A) be a cash cow for parasites and B) to pay for people's social benefits.

        1. I've seen plenty of people fired. WTF are you talking about?

          1. Sorry, that was too pithy. I understand what you're saying, but I think you're overstating it. Most people, when fired, will just go away quietly.
            ie. at my last banking job, there was an annual bloodletting, and I never heard of any negative repercussions to the company. And HR always took Management's side in any dispute.

            Now for a small business owner, without HR and Legal Depts, I can see your point though.

            Man, reading my post, I'm really fucking wishy washy on this. Never mind.

    2. funny...the woman who cut my hair for about 10 years in a previous town talked a lot about wanting her own shop. Eventually she got it and spent the next couple of years periodically wishing she was back to having her own booth, not dealing with employee drama and all the other stuff that did not involve hair.

    3. A friend of mine liked gardening and landscaping. He decided to leave his factory job to start a landscaping business.

      For a while, he worked from dawn until dusk doing jobs and giving out job estimates. One rainy day when he couldn't work he sat down and did some figuring about how much he could net for the number of hours he worked.

      He figured he would net as much at his landscaping business for a year that he would make at the factory. He worked fewer hours at the factory. He also didn't have to deal with employees. At this point, he did everything himself but he figured he would soon get to a point where he'd have to hire people. Finally, he realized he hadn't thought about how to get through the winter. He figured he'd have to buy a plow and take plow jobs.

      He decided the factory was easier, wrapped up the landscaping business, and went back to the factory. He never regretted the decision.

      1. Yeah, I've thought about ditching the corporate world and doing my own thing. There is definately some large trade offs. Now days I think more about how can I retire as soon as possible. I'm probably maximum 15 years away but would like to cut that in half. Could possibly subsidize with aome contract work or something else with less bullshit.

    4. The government-imposed cost of employees is mostly a fixed amount per employee.

      Meaning the companies that hire the poorest Americans are the ones with the biggest burden. You couldn't make a worse system for unskilled Americans if you wanted to.

      1. This is a very good point. We're much more careful about hiring hourly than a Controls Engr. Cause the Engr is more worth the risk, and MUCH less likely to cost us WC, healthcare, absenteeism, etc. etc. etc. It's just a fact.

  16. Whi lives in a multi-billion dollar complex called The Vatican and who doesn't? I think he understands economics the same way as someone like Al Gore does. Populist deflection.

  17. The judge comes off sounding a bit like Mike Huckabee.

  18. OT:

    A, B, C, D, E, F, Guy...H, I , J K, LMNO, Fwend....

    I enjoyed the most-recent South Park immensely. Better than the season opener, brah.

    1. They were both pretty epic.

    2. I love the little top-hat on the G. And Jenner running over women while a crowd applauds.

    3. Cool - still have to catch it. I haven't tuned into new episodes in years but I did last week.

  19. When you live off of donations and guilt you don't need to understand economics. Or much of anything else, really.

    1. Pope is like a stockbroker. Can't lose. You buy capitalism I get rich. You buy communism I get get rich. You buy fascism, I get rich.

      1. IIRC, the Catholic church did not exactly clean up with the Communists or the Fascists. Mussolini wanted to expropriate all church property and Stalin simply shut them down, until he needed them for something.

  20. Obama admin exploring ways to get around smartphone encryption. Also, Trump, Pope, Kaitlyn caught in love triangle.


    1. government-proposed technical approaches would almost certainly be perceived as proposals to introduce 'backdoors' or vulnerabilities in technology products and services and increase tensions

      No shit?

      1. You know what other vulnerable backdoor causes tension?

        1. You're all over backdoors today...

          (NTTAWWT, as long as you have consent)

  21. Funny = a news-link that appeared on my home page had almost the same headline

    A Guide To Pope Francis' Economics

    And its not bad. Its pretty detailed, and if its more focused on various economic-buzzwords than theory, its still better than you'd find in any broadsheet analysis of the current Pope's antipathy to

  22. [Rich reads that Matt Welch writes that] Napolitano believes Jesus Christ would reject the pope's view of economics

    Kevin Bacon!

  23. OT: 4 groups of Local enforcer class use the combined might of 2 city states...to fight real crime...in a safe manner.


    Your Future Reptilian Overlords are dissapointed.

    1. I appretiate the intent to minimize the risk of a high speed chase (which they really don't have to do anyways), but this is just another example that we have way too many cops and spend too much money on LE. How much did that operation cost? You probably could have paid to replace every stolen car in the city with that money.

  24. The pope is a dope who if he could would hang everyone that believes in freedom and liberty from a rope. He believes in douchebag economics, that are as complicated to navigate as a triple black diamond ski slope.

    To his nonsense folks say nope, because with reality this douchebag in white cannot cope.

  25. As both a devout Catholic and principled libertarian, Napolitano believes Jesus Christ would reject the pope's view of economics.

    I don't remember Jesus giving many lessons in economics. He had some teachings that might border on economics, like "sell all your possessions," "don't be rich," and "teach a man to fish instead of giving him a fish." None of these except the last one seem to be good advice.

    1. Buyith low, sellith high

    2. I don't remember Jesus giving many lessons in economics.

      And the common ground was, from the biblical perspective, an instruction from God to his followers on what they should be doing in their personal life. Nothing in there about engaging with the power of the state to force people to do those things. Even clearing the money-changers from the temple was not an attack on profit, it was an attack on those who had corrupted the temple by using it for a purpose for which it was not designed.

      Also, "teach a man to fish..." - not in the bible IIRC.

  26. Ahh, Diplomacy

    "In an interview aired by private broadcaster TVN24 on Friday evening, Russian ambassador to Poland Sergey Andreyev said Poland was partly responsible for Nazi Germany invading in 1939 because it had repeatedly blocked the formation of a coalition against Berlin in the run-up to the conflict"

    You have to credit the Russians with some wicked nerve, at least. I guess they've long had a very intimate appreciation that History can always be re-written when convenient, because most people don't know, and enough people who do know don't care.

    1. Forgot the link,

      the story is basically =

      "Relations between the two countries have been extremely fragile due to Russia's support for separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine. Warsaw has been one of the most vocal critics of Russia's actions - which Moscow denies - and a strong proponent of upholding economic sanctions against it."

      So the Russian ambassador talks shit whenever convenient.

      Poland, FWIW is the only country in NATO who seems concerned that NATO isn't concerned about Russian territorial expansion. I can imagine they could envision a repeat-instance where someone attacks them, and all their "Friends" say 'well they probably did something to provoke it'

      1. Repeat instance? Their friends in 1939 immediately went to war against the invaders.

        While I sympathize with Poland's concerns, it's dangerous to put the Russians in a position where they can't save face. Putin would rather fight a costly, pointless war than be seen as weak by backing down in the face of pressure from the West.

        1. "Putin would rather fight a costly, pointless war than be seen as weak by backing down in the face of pressure from the West."

          Oh bullshit.

          Putin may be an expansionist asshole but he is not Obama/Bush.

          Honestly between Europe leaders, US leaders and Putin he is probably the most rational actor of the bunch. He not only has defined goals but actually does things in pursuit of those goals that actually work and are not unicorn in the sky bullshit.

    2. FWIW: the Soviets did propose an anti-Nazi alliance in May, 1939 but the terms were far too onerous for the Poles to accept. From Wikipedia:

      As of May 1939, the Soviet conditions for signing an agreement with Britain and France were as follows: the right of the Red Army troops to pass through Polish territory, the termination of the Polish?Romanian Alliance, and the limitation of the British guarantee to Poland to cover only Poland's western frontier with Germany. The Polish leaders rightfully feared Stalin's communist expansionism and throughout 1939 refused to agree to any arrangement which would allow Soviet troops to enter Poland.

      The Poles were much more concerned with the Soviets, proposing a joint central European alliance:


      1. Oops, meant to add: none of this negates your main point about the Russians.

      2. Considering the Nazis cut through the Red Army like butter a year later, it's hard to see how adding the Soviets to the alliance would really have helped prevent WW2.

        1. Once the command got Stalin out of the picture, things got better. However, Hitler's "we don't have a problem, we've got an opportunity" management style certainly helped do him in.

      3. If the Poles are so concerned with Russia, then why don't they own more guns? Maybe they could take some clues from Finland.

        1. Since when is firearms ownership principally driven by concerns of potential International Conflict?

          Individual gun ownership is more common in places where there's a widespread, longstanding gun culture.

          As far as concerns about Russia... I am pretty sure poles are far more supportive of a strong, independent National Armed Forces, compared to other NATO peers.

          1. I wonder how many Poles, and others in Europe for that matter, have firearms buried in the back yard that they won't admit to.

            1. We just recently got a new postdoc from Britain here. She is really looking forward to being able to buy a gun. Take from that what you will.

    3. You know who else blamed Poland for WWII?

      1. The original slut-shaming patriarchy?

  27. The point isn't that he doesn't understand Capitalism; lots of people do not, but they don't embrace socialism/communism. This pope in fact is ideologically committed to these movements. If you don't believe it, ask Naomi fucking Klein, a rabid anti-capitalist whom the pope recruited in the cause of growing government and destroying the economy, i.e., socialism.communism, i.e., the "climate change movement."


  28. Jesus' parables imply that He embraces property rights. The parable of the rich man hiring workers is a case in point. The employer goes to the Ancient Near East equivalent of an employment agency several times throughout the day, each time offering a day's pay to work in his fields. At the end if the day, those who had worked all day were expecting to get paid more than what they contracted for, and became angry that those that only worked part of the day were getting the same amount as themselves. The rich man (who represented God in the story) basically said, "This is what you agreed to, so this is what you are going to get paid. Its my money, and I can pay these other guys the same amount if I want to."

    1. The parable of the talents (and the similar parable of the pounds) put in a favorable light taking market risks and growing wealth. In fact, at the end of each parable, it's the guy who made the most money who receives the highest praise. The guy who doesn't make any money gets thrown into Hell.

      We can take from this parable that God is not worried about "income inequality"; those who have shown themselves to be responsible with their resources are given greater amounts of resources to manage.

      1. Parables see to be a pretty stupid way of explicating divine law.

      2. The parable of the talents was not about money. Any more than the parable of the seeds was about farming or the parable of the dishonest steward was about ripping people off being a good idea.

        1. That a parable has primarily a spiritual application does not invalidate temporal lessons that can be drawn from it.

          1. That doesn't mean he was blessing the behavior of the characters in the parable. He certainly didn't want his followers to do what the dishonest steward did and cheat people out of their money.

    2. Even in the account of the rich young ruler, in which Jesus instructs the guy to sell everything he has, give the proceeds to the poor, and then follow Jesus, isn't about alleviating poverty. The rich young ruler approached Jesus, asking what he needed to do to get into heaven, and Jesus told him to get rid of the stuff that was keeping him from God. In addition, Jesus didn't say to give away his wealth because it was "the right thing to do"; rather, Jesus was basically telling the guy to make a wise investment in his future, promising him heavenly treasure in exchange for giving up temporal wealth. When the man decided he'd rather keep his temporal wealth, Jesus respected his decision; He didn't argue with the guy or chase him down and ask for just a small donation or try to have laws implemented to reduce wealth inequality.

      1. Jesus absolutely did not "respect his decision". He immediately followed up that event by saying that a rich man has as much chance of getting into heaven as a camel has of going through the eye of a needle.

        1. One can respect another's decision while still disagreeing with it.

          1. He said the guy was pretty much fucked when it came to the afterlife.

    3. To me, the central point of Christianity is libertarian.

      The idea that Jesus died for every individual so that they could choose for themselves whether to live in harmony with God makes individual choice paramount.

      I am not righteous because of the groups to which I belong. I am not to be condemned for my ancestors' choices. My ultimate destiny is my own choice--an individual choice that was given to me by God.

      The idea that the creator of the universe sacrificed himself so that individuals like me could make that choice for myself, that by itself elevates the individual above the collective.

      P.S. If everyone lived by, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", we'd be living in instant Libertopia. In my reading, Heaven is a place where every individual chooses to respect other people's rights of his or her own free will.

      1. Christianity was more individualistic than the existing religions in the first century AD, but that's an awfully low bar. Christianity is meaningless without the doctrine of original sin, which is about as unlibertarian an idea as you can find.

        1. Adventists historically didn't believe in original sin, and their Christianity isn't meaningless.

          Why would the suggestion that Jesus died for my sins specifically make Christianity meaningless?

          If anything, that underscores the preeminence of the individual and individual choice in Christianity.

          P.S. Individual judgment came to Western thought by way of Zoroastrianism, which predates Christianity by a long shot. And given the treatment of Jesus' birth, the early Christians seem to have given considerable weight to Zoroastrianism's endorsement of Christianity by way of the adoration of the Magi (magi being a term for a Zoroastrian priest).

  29. Love the judge but we no longer have free market capitalist society. We now have a crony capitalist society and we can't fix it until people start addressing the reality of today instead of the illusion of days long gone.

    1. Capitalism isn't something we had in the past and then lost. It's being in harmony with economic forces and economic reality, which is something to strive for both now and in the future.

      And economic forces don't require the participation or acquiescence of government to be effective. Just ask the former Soviet Union. Just ask Greece. Just because they ignored economic reality doesn't mean economic reality was ignoring them.

      P.S. We weren't necessarily more capitalist when women weren't allowed to control their own earnings or own property by law. The last states to correct that did so just over a hundred years ago. We weren't necessarily more capitalist when the courts and the police weren't protecting the property rights of black people. If capitalism has something to do with private ownership and protecting an individual's property rights, we're more capitalist now than we used to be.

      No doubt, income taxes and redistribution of wealth schemes hiding under the guise of welfare programs are worse than they used to be, and I'd get rid of both of those tomorrow if I could. But before Obama came to office, we were more capitalist in other ways than we'd ever been before.

      1. A lot of people frame their pro or anti-capitalism arguments by assuming that capitalism is the result of economic policy and not a phenomenon resulting from human activity. It is as if an extraordinarily clever human decided one day to say to his fellow men "Hey! You know what would be cool?"

        Capitalism is a process where Capital (savings or postponed consumption), Capital Goods (land, tools, etc.) and Labor are mixed together to transform gods of a lesser vslue into goods of a higher value for the purpose of exchange and wealth accumulation. People like the Pope and others seem to think that this process is somehow something else. Or, like the Marxians, believe that Capitalism is the achievement of profit through exploiting workers out of their deserved full value. This misunderstanding of what really happens in a productive process was long ago severely (yet ver elegantly) debunked by Austrisn economist Eugen von Bohm-Bawerk, yet refuses to die.

  30. Why would I take policy advice from a guy who teaches that once a week, you need to sit in a phone booth with a guy wearing a dress and scarf and tell him how many times you jerked off?

    1. In order to get the media to pay attention to you, you have to give them something to film and show on television and the internet. And if you do give them something to film, the media will make a much bigger show of it than something else that's more important but can't be filmed.

      That's how organizations like PETA and Green Peace operate. That's why we all know the name of the Westboro Baptist Church. They reliably gave the media good stuff to film and photograph. It's the same thing with the Pope.

      The Pope offered the best photo ops of the week, so he has the biggest, loudest, most important voice.

      Next week, maybe it'll be the next Pussy Riot. Those girls really knew how to make a photo op.

    2. I think the actual teaching is that you're not supposed to jerk off in the first place. If you find yourself doing it once a week, well Jesus did make some recommendations about DIY hand surgery.

      1. Once a week? LOL, sure buddy.

  31. Okay, I've trolled enough this AM. Sorry, couldn't help myself and...

    ...I'm an asshole.

    Going hunting. Have a nice afternoon Reasonoids.

    1. I don't know where you live...

      But if you are one of the assholes breaking down my gate and tresspassing please fuck off.

      There are literally millions of acres of government forests on the other side of the river. Go there.

      If you do break down the gate and trespass do be sure to shoot one of the cows. They are trespassing as well.

      1. Sorry to hear there are some dickheads making us responsible hunters (who get permission from landowners, hell, I know these farmers personally) look bad. Wish I could trade you security services for the right to hunt on your land 🙂

        Lots of places have motion-activated wildlife cameras you can rent. Maybe set one up in a tree near your gate?

        1. us responsible hunters

          I have no problem with hunters and I do not conflate hunters in general with trespassing gate breakers.

          There is also a cattle rancher who is a neighbour who breaks the gate to herd his cattle which wonder on the property. I don't conflate that asshole with all ranchers either.

          Post was just a million in one shot in case Francisco d'Anconia (or anyone here) was actually one of the assholes.

          1. "Post was just a million in one shot in case Francisco d'Anconia (or anyone here) was actually one of the assholes."

            Plus it is kind of funny

  32. If the pope was advocating for the free market, you can expect the leftist crowd to chant "separate of state and church"

    The irony is that the pope is coming to the one nation that's relatively stable and lecturing us to adapt policies that led to ruination elsewhere.

  33. Logic

    My Own State's Laws Have Failed = Therefore, Impose These Same Laws on Everyone

    ""It's not enough for New York State to pass a gun law and close the front door when the guns are coming in the back door, when the guns can come up from Virginia or South Carolina for anyone willing to take a car ride," he said.'"

    Is the admission that NY gun laws have zero deterrent effect on illegal possession of firearms ever noted by anyone? That the niggling regulations they always rush to promote are repeatly shown to be entirely meaningless from the POV of criminals, while highly burdensome to non-violent citizens?

    1. They're animists. Guns are an evil supernatural token. Banning them and restricting them is a good in its own right just because...symbolism. I'm not kidding. This is the level of intelligence animists operate on. They are, quite literally, on a tiger-repelling-rock level. Yes, they are actually that stupid. They're fucking morons.

      You have to understand this to understand the continued idiocy from gun banner animists. You have to realize that they are effectively mongoloid cavemen about the issue. They are stupider than you can possibly imagine and will not deviate from that stupidity at any point.

    2. "the rampant violence that is spreading like a cancer through our society, especially in our poorer communities and especially in our communities of color"

      The man has a talent for packing an impressive amount of lies, arrogance, and hypocrisy into few words, doesn't he.

      1. Isn't that the textbook definition of "New York politician"?

    3. Any NY resident (with the possible exception of active duty military) buying guns in VA or SC is already committing a federal felony under current law.

      Any NY resident buying a gun in NY from a non-NY resident without going through an NY-based FFL dealer and getting a background check is also committing a federal felony under current law.

      But I'm sure adding one more law will deter them.

      1. There is no federal law against buying long guns in a state different from your state of residence, unless some crazy law got passed while I wasn't paying attention. There *is* federal law preventing buying handguns in a state other than your state of residence (unless you go through an FFL). I have personally, while a resident of both NYC and NYS, bought long guns outside of both NYC and NYS, all perfectly legally.

        So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. That being said, your final statement still stands as a sarcastic point.

        1. I had to look that up; while I thought long gun sales were only permitted to residents of states with similar gun laws, the federal restriction is actually just that the transfer must comply with the laws of the transferee's state of residence. Good luck finding an FFL in VA or SC willing to comply with NY's onerous gun transfer laws. But I will amend the statement thusly:

          Any NY resident (with the possible exception of active duty military) taking possession of guns in VA or SC which they would not be allowed to take possession of in NY is already committing a federal felony under current law.

          Just a clarification: you can buy a gun from a resident of any state -- the GCA only controls where you can take possession and from whom. So you can buy a gun online, even a handgun, from anybody and have it shipped to an FFL in your own state. Obviously FFLs in NY are going to force you to comply with NY laws.

        2. Should have waited before posting. It is a federal felony for an NY resident to buy even a long gun in VA or SC, because NY law only allows them to purchase in contiguous states. Thus the transfer would not be in compliance with state law.

          265.40 Purchase of rifles and/or shotguns in contiguous states

          Definitions. As used in this act:

          1. "Contiguous state" shall mean any state having any portion of its border in common with a portion of the border of the state of New York;

          2. All other terms herein shall be given the meaning prescribed in Public Law 90-618 known as the "Gun Control Act of l968"(18 U.S.C. 921). It shall be lawful for a person or persons residing in this state, to purchase or otherwise obtain a rifle and/or shotgun in a contiguous state, and to receive or transport such rifle and/ or shotgun into this state; provided, however, such person is otherwise eligible to possess a rifle and/or shotgun under the laws of this state.

    1. Yeah, a lawyer would say that :/

      1. Ken White especially would say that.

    2. "Look, officer, I couldn't have been robbing the bank at the time because I was cultivating my marijuana crop, let me show you..."

  34. OT: Piece of String Creates Hate Crime Panic

    Then students started to wake up. And many knew the rope was not a rope, but a string. And the noose was not a noose.

    And the act was not a hate crime. Or even a fake hate crime.

    It was just string that held up a paper lantern -- left over from an alumni party in June.

    But none of that mattered. The anti-string, anti-hate crime rally went on, as scheduled.

    1. Warty finds your anti-intellectualism troubling.

      1. Papaya's? Oh my, yes I certainly do.

    2. One by one, students like Agyeman, along with top university officials of all races, took the stage to share harrowing experiences of how they were treated as minorities on and around campus. Agyeman fought through tears, recalling her first night on campus when she said a white man followed her back to her dorm, asking her how she could be "so f------ black."

      Hahaha, yeah, I'm sure that actually fucking happened.

      Man, that higher education bubble needs to pop so bad with "vice provosts of diversity" getting paid to push "fake but accurate" narratives. I mean, get a load of this resume. Good heavens.

      1. "Hahaha, yeah, I'm sure that actually fucking happened."

        To find out if it's true, check the local prisons and see if anyone is serving a life sentence at hard labor for hate crimes against Ms. Agyeman. If not, take the story with a grain of salt.

        1. Note: "Grain of salt" means "maybe it happened and maybe it didn't, but before committing myself to the story I'd need more evidence."

      2. Maybe that's what he meant when he said how she could be "so fucken black". Her resume is black.


        Yeah. Given the accounts we've seen, I doubt that actually happened.

        Maybe in her mind or more likely she twisted what he said.

        1. The vice provost of diversity and Agyeman aren't the same person. I realized that might not have been clear after I hit submit, alas.

          There would have been a time when I was far more likely to believe such claims, but after so many fake "awareness-raising" racism hoaxes, strident claims that any opposition to Obama is racist in nature, etc., coupled with the fact that she's decided to actively participate in what is quite literally one of those "manufactured outrages" that the left loves to project onto its opponents, I am heavily disinclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

          1. #IStandWithAgyeman

            ///// Because the real social-currency of "being a victim" isn't in the immediate rewards, regardless of your merit (see = Ahmed)

            ...but rather in the value it delivers to all the people who use it to Ostentatiously Signal Their Moral Superiority

            i.e. "Victim" stories aren't about the "victim".

            Its about giving all these *other people* the opportunity to use the story to amplify their own social-standing. Its about giving the Race-Trolls a new cause du-jour. Its about feeding the media another "Racist Right Wing Conspiracy" story

            Just as "Jackie" was a disposable unit in the Rape Crisis movement... people's fawning, gushing, over-the-top, invocation of near-religious devotion and support for "her" regardless of whether or not her story was true or not.? was never about "her".

            Do any of the writers who were defending her to the death even bother to note her existence anymore? If they had actually believed her , why are they not continuing to seek "justice" against the perpetrators?

            because it doesn't do anything *for them* anymore.

            Which is why everyone rushes to accept a piece of string as a noose. Its not about the string. Its about what the string can do for them.

          2. And even were it proven to be authentic, what does it really say about the efficacy of "hate crimes" when the hate crime is vastly outnumbered by stunts? At this point, why would a Klansman bother getting his hands dirty when some victimology major at Oberlin will do his work for him?

            1. (Just to be clear, I mean "crimes" prosecuted solely as hate crimes, not assaults or murders trumped up with hate crime modifiers.)

      3. get a load of this resume

        Not very diverse, is it.

      4. Everybody wants to be Tawana Brawley these days.

    3. Ah, Colin Flaherty. His beat is black mob violence and the media's kid-gloves attitude toward same.

      Progs have probably pegged him - and his readers - as a racist.

      1. Of course, it may turn out he *is* a racist, and I'm not ruling it out.

        Or he could be correcting media bias. Or both.

        1. Racists are wrong even when they're right.

  35. Wow, I really didn't see Michigan dominating BYU like that.

    1. Did I hear correctly that they didn't score in the second half?

      1. Dunno, just saw the final 31-0.

  36. He's the head of an organization devoted to superstition. I don't look to him for clear thinking on any subject.


    1. I don't think that the church of Rome would have any problem going back to being an organization of power and authority. Right now looks like commie pope is trying to team up with Obama and the Chinese emperor to save the world, so it could theoretically happen. I mean, I think Obama and his commie bud, Jinping, wouldn't mind giving commie pope all the power he wants if they could use it to steal a few trillion crony bucks.

  37. Oh, does the commie pope understand economics? The question should be, does the commie pope understand anything at all? What is bewildering to me is that in 2015 we still have people who take seriously some old dumbfuck in a funny costume who what... talks to and is the representative of us mere mortals and peasants to said invisible sky god? No, he's some old dumbfuck in a funny costume, nothing more.

    1. Agreed that Francis is out of his league talking about economics, but thank God that people in Eastern Europe took John Paul II seriously when he blasted communism. Bash Francis for his statements, not for his papacy.

    2. Almost as bad...uh, no worse, is that we still have people who buy into marxist horseshit. It is an economic and social theory that has been tried countless times and has a 100% record of failure, has left over 100 million murder victims in its wake and impoverished countless millions more. The toll on humanity is not measurable yet dunces are still drawn to it like moths to the flame.

      1. It's the origin of progressivism. They simply can't be wrong, because they're so much smarter than everyone else.

        1. Just ask Tony.

      2. Yeah, agreed that statism is the religion who has killed more than any other religion.

        1. I used the term 'marxism' but yes, that is what I really meant. Statism, collectivism...whatever. It usually takes a marxist bent because that is the one that works the best. Appealing to people's envy and resentment while relieving them of responsibility has a lot of appeal.

  38. Other question. How many Syrian and Libyan refugees has commie pope taken in at the Vatican? You know, I'm just asking because I don't know.

    1. Just the little boys

    2. He doesn't have a lot of room there.

      What I'm wondering is why Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc, aren't taking any refugees, but are willing to finance hundreds of mosques in Europe. Normally I would be confident that any attempt to convert a Western country to Islam by flooding them with refugees would backfire and merely result in a shitload of secularized former Muslims. However, European countries are terrible at assimilating people from other cultures, preferring to just pen them up in ghettos, give them welfare and ignore them.

      1. ^100 Percent Turbocharged THIS^

      2. I can't confirm this right now, I'll have to look for the link, or feel free to google it. But I heard that the Saudis set up a refugee camp that can house tens of thousands of refugees with lots of amenities including AC, and no one showed up.

        Most of these people are not refugees, but people trying to get to Germany and Sweden to get a cushy lifestyle from the generous free stuff programs those countries continue to offer to anyone who comes.

        1. In theory, Grand Hegemon Merkel's plan for forced acceptance of refugees includes provisions for rejecting economic migrants.

        2. The Saudis built a refugee camp in Turkey.

          Oh, by the way, did you know that the refugee crisis all the Israeli's fault?

          1. I'd prefer camping in Turkey overr Saudi Arabia.

          2. "Saudi Arabia to aid Jordan with Syrian refugees"

            They not only support free trade, they support freedom of movement, albeit to other countries. How much more libertarian can you get?

      3. "What I'm wondering is why Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc, aren't taking any refugees, but are willing to finance hundreds of mosques in Europe."

        Because they support free trade and want to generously bestow all of those construction labor jobs onto Europe?

      4. "why Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc, aren't taking any refugees"

        Because they are closed societies which provide citizens hugely lavish welfare benefits, and outsource almost all of their labor/economic productivity to 2nd-class citizen/serfs that they continually import/export as needed?

        they have zero actual conception of what a non-pakistani-worker/imported-"immigrant" would do in their societies. They prefer their labor force in most cases to be non-arab, AFAIK. They'd much prefer to mail these "refugees" millions of dollars in charity, rather than actually have them cluttering up their hand-swept streets.

    3. How many Syrian and Libyan refugees has commie pope taken in at the Vatican?

      His job is to tell you to do it, and your job is to do it and like it.

  39. This Victory Twelve is excellant. Hides the 12% abv very well. Very Belgium.

    1. My one beer for tonight is a bomber bottle of Extremely Angry Beast.

      1. That looks right up my alley:) I've heard of Clown Shoes. Not sure I've had them though. Yeah, this 12 is over a pint and a half. Had the Samuel Smiths Cider before this which was a little over a pint. Cider's just a touch too vinegary for me. Good with a hearty soup but a tad harsh on their own.

        1. The Cider was not nearly vinegary as this Gose I had at a bar last month tbough. Firat Gose I think I've ever had. Was not a fan.

          1. I like an occasional Gose. I wanted to try this one particular Gose at a Boston bar. The Gose was from an American brewer and it was brewed with blood oranges. Unfortunately, the bar was out. I got a Gose imported from Germany. I can't remember the name, but it was pretty good, and it did not come in the traditional Gose bottle.

            There used to be a German brewer that exported to the US Gose in traditional bottles. I don't know if that brewer is still around or still exports to the US.

            1. I had Anderson Valley's Holy Gose in June. That was great!

              1. That looks interesting.

            2. Are the ones you've had super tart or vinegary?

              1. Tart. I've never had one that reminded me of vinegar.

                1. Hmm. Maybe I'll try some others. Actually don't even remember the name of the one I had.

    2. I haven't had many Victory beers, which is interesting considering I grew up not far from where the brewery is located. We used to call Downingtown "Dying-town" when I was a kid. It's odd to see the town has some life.

      1. Love Golden Monkey. Love Storm King. Victory label is why I picked this up. Was not disappointed. I'm a big fan of Belguim style beers. We have have a little Brewery here called Zaubers which is focused on Belgium stlye beers. Have not had a beer from there I didn't like. Several local bars are carrying their beers now which is nice to see.

        1. I've had Storm King. I've not had Golden Monkey but I've heard good things about it.

          Zauber looks good. I flew through Columbus Airport once. A friend, who at the time lived in the Dayton area, was getting married in Springfield. Columbus Airport was eerily empty when I flew through it.

          1. Columbus airport is usually pretty tame. I've seen it buay only on a few occasions. And when I say busy I don't mean O'Hare busy:)

  40. While considering renewing my call for the resumption of "Weekend Open Threads"...

    ...it dawned on me suddenly why H&R reposts certain (sometimes ancient, sometime recent) articles over the weekend, seemingly at random.

    = Because *there's no weekend open thread*.

    and those articles, which may have gotten well-less-than-average page clicks than should usually justify their existence?....get a free boost.

    I suppose there are other concerns. People more likely to watch Reason.tv segments over the weekend?... makes sense. But the idea of using the commentariat as so many free-click-monkeys for under-performing posts seems equally plausible.

    1. "While considering renewing my call for the resumption of "Weekend Open Threads"

      Yeah, they don't much listen to we commentariat, which seems amazing considering that a lot of us actually give them money.

      I would like to see at least one open thread per week. I bet the very first one would set a record for posts in under one hour.

      1. We could try with this one.

      2. I thought every thread posted over the weekend is an "open thread".

      3. I don't feel obligated to comment on topic on any thread. It is entirely within our power to make any thread an open thread.

        1. Hell, I mostly come for the comments. The articles are mostly rehashes of the same stories but with different names and places (or sometimes the same names and places). How many times can you opine about the same damn thing.

          1. You know who else used to opine about the damn damn thing?

            1. Or: You know who else used to opine about the same damn thing?

    2. "it dawned on me suddenly"

      My recent H&R epiphany is that Denton modelled Gawker after H&R (a continuous every 30 min or so, daily roll of mostly hack sensationalist opinion pieces with click-bait headlines).....but unlike Reason actually made it work.

      1. "[a] daily roll of mostly hack sensationalist opinion pieces with click-bait headlines"

        if that's how you see it, what are you doing here?

        1. Well, the food is better over here.

  41. Book thread to complement the booze thread above.

    I'm reading I Used to be French: An Immature Autobiography. Jacques Delacroix occasionally writes for Liberty (now found here). One day I saw a group of book reviews which included Delacroix's book and I decided to buy the book.

    The book is interesting and funny. He was born in Paris during the Nazi occupation and emigrated to America after becoming an adult. I'm reading his description of his high school years. He's had some interesting digressions and observations about language and French culture.

    1. That sounds fun. I need to to read something fun. Been drudging through this java book for a while "for fun":) Just ordered some tcp/ip books from Amazon who likes to take all my spare money so no end from tedium in sight. Maybe should take a break and read the Bourne series I have but never read. Loved Ludlum's Rhineman Excange and Osterman Weekend as a youngster.

      1. Which Java and TCP/IP books?

        I tried the Bourne series when I was a kid and got nowhere with it. I have a vague memory of reading a Ludlum book when I was a kid, but I'll damned if I can remember the title.

        1. I thought the first Bourne was really good. Second and third were ok.
          I should note that pretty much the only similarity to the movies is that Jason Bourne is a character in both the books and movies

          1. I think Ludlums cold war stuff may seem kind of dated today

            1. Do you mean in the political sense or the thriller sense?

              As a thriller, I like the outdated technology. I don't read a many thrillers but those based in the 80s or earlier like Bourne and the Americans can be more tense because the technology is so old. The cell phone has totally ruined suspense :p unless the sudden "poor reception" technique is employed.

              Anyway, The Martian was one of the best books I read this summer.

              1. Is that the book that based the new movie on?

                1. Yea. It was a quick read. The author is some sort of engineer or space hobbyist, so its fairly realistic and there is comedy throughout the book.

                  1. That sounds cool. I ll have to check it out.

              2. I thought Castle Gandolpho was very fun to read.

              3. A character finding that his cell phone has been compromised or rigged with a,bomb can be suspenseful.

          2. I should note that pretty much the only similarity to the movies is that Jason Bourne is a character in both the books and movies

            I've been trying to come up with a book/movie set where this is also true and isn't Starship Troopers, but I am drawing a blank.

            1. Hmm this is going to bug me

        2. Just finishing up Java in 24 hours. Have a JDBC API tutorial on order. I do SQL everyday at work. Interested in learning something front end to that. Really for my own amusement. Ordered Stevens tcp/ip illustrated, tcp/ip sockets in java, some other tco/ip packet inspection type book. Just got Comer Computer Networks. Interested in cyber security so thought that would be a good place to start. Books kind of old but cheap. This is just for my interest so not looking to go broke on books. Although kinda late for that. My 2nd story study could cave any day:).

          1. The packet inspection book was was Computer Protocols:internet Protocals in Action.

          2. The Stevens TCP/IP books are excellent. I relied on them as I learned network programming on the job.

            I'm ashamed to say that I don't own Effective Java. I've read some excerpts from it and found them to be quite helpful.

            1. I'll have to check that out. My background is Finance not Programming although like everything else there is more than just some merging taking place. I've always been a natural, learning application software but have never gotten into programming unless you want to count sql which I'm pretty strong on. I don't seem to have any problem picking up java conceptually but would like to see more practical application. I think that would help put it together for me.

              1. My first exposure to Java was in the mid 90s. I didn't touch it again until about 2007 or so. The basic syntax was the same, but there were so many other changes it was overwhelming at first. It was another "learn on the job" experience.

                I know some folks count SQL as a programming language. I've only learned enough to write a couple queries to debug problems, so I don't know enough to have an opinion.

                Finding practical application is going to be tough if you're teaching yourself and you're not learning through a job. Maybe jump in on an open source project?

                1. That's a good idea actually. Might work through a more intermediate book first. For me me it's more about just understanding how it works but nothing really beats that like practical application. What I woukd like to do is to create a web page that connects to a database using java, jdbc, and SQL server. That I think would be a nice project for me.

                  1. Yes, that will tie in nicely with some things that you already know, so you won't have as steep of a learning curve.

                    1. Cool. Yeah, that's my short term goal:)

                    2. Some words to google that may be useful:

                      - Play Framework
                      - Hibernate ORM

                    3. Good ideas. Also, stay far away from Java EE unless you want to stick a fork in your eye.

                    4. Lol:) thanks. Do not want to stick a firk in my eye:/

          3. Really for my own amusement.

            Have you looked into something a little higher-level like Python or Ruby for that sort of work? Might be a more pleasant experience.

            1. I do have an Automate the Boring Stuff with Python Book I recently purchased that I haven't quite gotten to. Possible after I finish the Java book:) So many books, so little time:)

            2. I don't like Python's lack of type checking. It drives me up a wall whenever I have to work on a large system that someone built in Python.

              1. Yeah, I only ever use dynamic languages for small, often throwaway stuff. I would never consider using them on a large project with the possible exception of Ruby on Rails which is pretty cool. At work I use C#/.NET.

                1. I normally use Java these days. I was originally a C guy that dabbled in C++. I've never used C#/.NET or Ruby.

                  1. Java fucking sucks. C# is the computer language you want to use.

            3. For my purpose, it's more about understanding on a technical level what's going on. From what I've read it sounds like C would take me closer to that (without going straight to machine language but I'm not a masochist) but gotta start somewhere I guess:)

              1. C is about as close as you'll get to assembly without using assembly.

                Assembly is painful.

                1. C is painful.

                  1. I have mixed feelings on C. I worked with it for a while with no problem, and actually liked it. Now that I work with Java, I doubt I could go back to C.

                    I'd never call C painful though.

                2. Yeah, I have no doubt about that. I love getting "under the hood" of things but there are limits on time and patience:)

                  1. A book I really enjoyed was called How Computers Really Work or something like that. Read a long time ago. They took the bit processing down to a transister gate level. Even showed how arethmitic worked at that level. Obviously couldn't take that concept too far in a single book but very cool. It's still all somewhat magic to me:)

            4. .NET bro, or GTFO.

              1. I started out with C++. Well that's actually not true. I started with C++ professionally. I taught myself programming back in the 80s using assembler and line basic. Terrible, horrible stuff. When I got my first work writing code, I was using C++. I've since programmed in a lot of languages, including Java ( I hate it), Dbase, Foxpro ( I hate both of those too), and for the last 10 years mostly .NET, C#, VB.NET, and a lot of javascript since I do mostly web based development now. I'm also very well versed in SQL and all the HTML stuff including CSS. I'm bored with it all now, I've done everything outside of game programming. I want to change fields and go into something like molecular biology.

                1. That's how I feel feel about Finance. Which is why I'm buying programming book. Also, bought a book and one of those Great Courses programs on Organic Chemistry.

                  1. Yeah. It used to be different. People started a career and retired doing the same thing. But now since we're staying active longer, living longer, it's hard to do it.

                    If you want to get into programming I'd highly recommend C#, and if you want to switch careers, that will get you a job faster than just about anything and it's lucrative.

                    I'm very interested in everything chemistry and biology. I'm trying to figure out how to get started with this, I would like to get into a bio engineering type of field.

                    1. You know I'm at that point but I think more about retirement than about another career:) I still love to learn though and since computers run everyting and I've always been interested in them that's a good aubject for me. Of course anything tgart helps my marketability can't hurt in this economy so I definately appreciate the C# tip. Interested in Organic Chemistry because that encompasses all things related to Carbon which like silicon also helps run the world:)

                2. So any books you would recommend on bringing together front end web app development with a backend sql database.

                  1. I don't read books on coding anymore. Seriously, google is your best friend. The mobile app coding stuff is really hot now, and there are some cheap online courses.

                    Basically, for web development, I would recommend just learning HTML, CSS, Javascript and C#. For your SQL back end, you just need to learn TSQL, you'll be calling stored procedures from your .NET code. The great thing about .NET is that it separates out the HTML from the 'code behind', actual programming code. And then all of your SQL code is in stored procedures in SQL. Makes it a lot nicer and more organized. I think you can download basic versions of all this stuff for free and run it on Windows 7 or 8 or 10.

                    1. Thanks! That is helpful info:)

                    2. If you ever have any questions about any of that stuff, just let me know here, I'm more than willing to try to help.

                    3. Appreciate that:)

                    4. Seriously, google is your best friend.

                      And stackoverflow.

                3. Btw, my first experience with budgeting software was Hyperion. Quite an adventure:)

                4. a lot of javascript since I do mostly web based development now

                  I hate javascript with the heat of a thousand suns. I cannot imagine a more horrible outcome than javascript taking over the world the way it is. It is so painful to work with that people create new languages which translate to javascript so you don't have to use javascript.

    2. re: Books -

      I mentioned the Adam Savage/Tested podcast the other day... and they were about to talk about the book "Redshirts"; so i stopped it and decided to read the book.

      i'm about 1/2 way through, and its pretty good in a PKD-with-a-sense-of-humor-way. Summary = The 'redshirts' (lowest ranking members) of a star-trek style universe wonder why they are being predictably-killed-so-often, then deduce that they are living inside a TV show narrative.

      Basically, same thing as in the end of "man in the high castle", only the realization happens in the beginning of the second act instead of the middle of the third act. Its very fun/cute.. and could improve more if it keeps evolving in the direction its going.

      It also reminds me of another "meta" sci-fi writer, Victor Pelevin, who i really enjoyed.

      1. I hadn't heard of "Redshirts" - will check it out.

        1. I started on thursday. I think i knocked out 100 pages in about an hour. then another 150 yesterday. its very very fast-reading. in fact its almost like a script. just short, snappy dialogue, and some funny brief description. It reads like a TV show, which is exactly how it should, obviously. In hoping the end gets more deeply meta-weird

      2. Sounds funny

        *adds to to-read list*

        1. Hell, my to-read-list is so long. It's so long that when I try to add something, I get a recording telling me that the voice mail for my to-read-list is full.

  42. Is everyone ready for some cauliflower deep-dish breakfast pizza?

    Finger-lickin' good!

    1. What the hell is wrong with you!

    2. "I love sneaking vegetables into my favorite dishes, especially as a swap for unhealthy ingredients."

      That person must be a lot of fun to be around.

      Oh, and *barf*.

    3. That would appear to be none of those things except maybe breakfast.

    1. *two thumbs up for the bagpipes*

    2. I love bagpipes. There, I said it.

      1. I just like them. I don't love them, but I like them.

    3. One day, if I get time, I want to write a book about my step mom's ancestor. He was a union soldier in the only confederate POW camp to get congressional hearings and war crime charges.
      Apparently, from my research, and his congressional testimony, he was both a gangster and a patriot. He ran card games, and ran scams and dug tunnels to help other POWs escape, while he stayed behind. He also decided the discipline in the camp was not being adequately maintained by the COs, so he organized a "protection squad".

  43. Every week, I try to post a Deep-Dish Pizza story, a Civil War story, and a Circumcision story.

    But no circumcision story today, because the stories I Googled are too gross even for me.

    1. Thank God:)

  44. The pope doesn't understand that unrestrained markets bring maximum prosperity, because he's not a fucking idiot like all of you.

    1. Yeah, he believes in free ponies, magical flying unicorns, and invisible sky gods, like Tony. He's sooo smart.

      1. The alternatives are not a laissez-faire hellscape and nothing. There's a world out there. Look at it.

        1. Go get a real education and get a job. Or if you're too fucking lazy, go to Burger King, they hire the uneducated and otherwise useless, like you. Stop being a net drain on humanity.

          1. Are you talking to cockroaches again? You know they can't carry on an intelligent discourse with you. They just scamper about aimlessly.

          2. get a job

            Why bother when he can just leech off the rest of us who actually do have a job? That is the whole point of prattling on against "unfettered" capitalism after all.

          3. He's gotta either work for the government or be in a union.

    2. "The pope doesn't understand that unrestrained markets bring maximum prosperity, because he's not a fucking idiot like all of you."

      Tony doesn't understand that markets are people. He seems to think that market forces are some kind of disembodied non-entity--rather than people making choices.

      Tony doesn't understand that you can't "restrain" markets without also restraining people and the choices they can make.

      Tony doesn't understand that because Tony doesn't want to understand it. He's willfully obtuse, and he's been that way for many years.

    3. The pope isn't interested in maximizing prosperity, he was praising the virtues of poverty just a couple days ago.

      Nor is the Church interested in maximizing prosperity. Religions, by definition, are fundamentally not interested in material well-being.

  45. He seems to understand it as much or more than Judge Andrew Napolitano, who seems to be a political imbecile.

  46. Who cares? He's trained in theology not economics.

    And I thought religion was supposed to be the opiate of the masses.

    Why any educated person gives a shit what the Pope thinks about economics is beyond me. It's not like the Church hasn't been preaching poverty and asceticism for 2,000 years.

    The pope starts spouting the usual bullshit about the glories of poverty and communal sharing and all of a sudden the Left finds religion. Too funny.

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