Roger Ailes Demands Trump Apology for Suggesting Megyn Kelly Is a 'Bimbo' (UPDATE: Trump Declines)

The fascinating conservative media war of 2015 barks on

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Republican Party 2016 presidential front-runner Donald Trump last night falsely accused Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly of taking an "unscheduled" vacation after her controversial-to-him GOP debate-moderation, and then began mining obscure Twitter accounts for quotable/retweetable anti-Kelly insults, such as "She has come back looking like Nancy Grace," and (this directed at a mother of three young children) "The bimbo back in town . I hope not for long ." Awkward spacing in original.

Kelly, of whom Trump said after the Aug. 6 debate "She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and, you know, you can see there's blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever," has stayed silent thus far, though 10 of her colleagues had already defended her on-air as of midday. And now Fox head honcho Roger Ailes, who had reportedly negotiated a "truce" with Trump after prior Trump-Kelly skirmishing, has issued a blistering demand for an apology:

Donald Trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly during her show last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing. Megyn Kelly represents the very best of American journalism and all of us at FOX News Channel reject the crude and irresponsible attempts to suggest otherwise. I could not be more proud of Megyn for her professionalism and class in the face of all of Mr. Trump's verbal assaults. Her questioning of Mr. Trump at the debate was tough but fair, and I fully support her as she continues to ask the probing and challenging questions that all presidential candidates may find difficult to answer. Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should. We have never been deterred by politicians or anyone else attacking us for doing our job, much less allowed ourselves to be bullied by anyone and we're certainly not going to start now. All of our journalists will continue to report in the fair and balanced way that has made FOX News Channel the number one news network in the industry.

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This is a fascinating gut-check moment for right-of-center populism, for conservative media, and for Fox itself. Right-wing media rose up as an angry, entertaining response to liberal media bias, but that was a good two decades ago. Rhetorically bomb-throwing media populists are not likely to change what made them successful—which helps explain why many of Trump's biggest media defenders are the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys and Ann Coulters of the world—but the fact is those people have long since converted their regular-guy personae into multi-million-dollar careers. Fox News has absolutely dominated cable news since its inception.

At the same time, success and maturity sometimes threaten to breed, well, maturation. And no Fox broadcaster embodies that notion better than Roger Ailes' hand-picked, next-generation face of the network: Megyn Kelly. A self-described "independent," Kelly—a former lawyer whose hard-hitting interview style has drawn lengthy critical praise from the likes of New York Times Magazine—is nobody's idea of a conservative populist. She's a member of the media elite, even more than Fox is.

Trump is clearly calculating here that his anti-establishment, anti-media, anti-decorum fanbase is angry enough at conservative elitism and sell-outtery that they'll side with his brave attack against the 800-pound gorilla of anti-liberal media. And I suspect he may well be right. The taglines write themselves: Too conservative for Fox! Too anti-PC for the shrinking violets scared of Megyn Kelly's ratings! The only candidate willing to tell Roger Ailes to go fuck himself!

It will certainly be more interesting than usual to watch former Ailes darlings Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity tonight. And also to see whether the people who have profited so handsomely from cable news carnival-barking will ever become reflective about the story of Dr. Frankenstein. The whole exchange perhaps sheds a little insight on this otherwise disturbing Tweet Sunday from Rupert Murdoch:

With Trump becoming very serious candidate, it's time for next billionaire candidate, Mike Bloomberg to step into ring. Greatest mayor.

— Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) August 24, 2015

(Disclosure: I used to co-host a Fox Business Network program; I've never met Roger Ailes, and know Megyn Kelly a little.)

UPDATE: A defiant (what did you expect?) Trump responds: 

I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves.

More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire and the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide…. I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!

Comments

[Old Man With Candy]

He really has the formula down pat. Platinum medal troll. Tulpa should be ashamed.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Make Hit & Run Great Again!

[EndTheGOP]

Yeah right, Roger Ailes demands an apology for Megyn Kelly. That's why Fox covered Trump's speech today and Trump has yet to give her an apology.

[EndTheGOP]

What the fuck, Megyn Kelly is a Bimbo. What the problem?

[Just say Nikki]

Great. Now Matt is trying to get into Megyn Kelly's panties too. White knighting won't get you laid!!!

[SugarFree]

Especially not if she is always on her monthlies. Or maybe Matt has his redwings.

[Heroic Mulatto]

You know I was going to post just that...but I stayed my hand out of respect for Matt's Matt-ness.

You, on the other hand...

[Just say Nikki]

You know how hard it is to defend my tiara.

[Heroic Mulatto]

By "tiara", you mean the tattoo on your lower back, of course.

[Sudden]

God help us all when they invent the blingy tattoo ink.

[R C Dean]

I know they've got glow-in-the-dark tattoo ink.

[SugarFree]

I have my insignia tattooed on my heart. And I don't mean on the skin of my chest over my heart. I mean tattooed on the organ itself . . . It's called visceral tattooing. They have to open you up. They use an ink that contains a radioactive isotope so that the tattoo shows up on X-rays and CAT scans . . . A tip to the guys there ? visceral tattoos really turn on female medical technicians and nurses.

[Homple]

Roger Ailes playing Westley in The Princess Newsbabe?

[BearOdinson]

As you wish

[VG Zaytsev]

OMG!!11!!!!!1

How dare Trump attack the establishment POA Megyn Kelly.

Libertarians everywhere have a duty to defend her!!11!!1

[Jordan]

This article was more of an observational piece than a piece defending Megyn Kelly, but I understand that Trump supporters are a bit touchy.

[SugarFree]

He was afraid someone might look like a complete dumbass before he had a chance to.

[VG Zaytsev]

GOP debate-moderation, and then began mining obscure Twitter accounts for quotable/retweetable anti-Kelly insults, such as "She has come back looking like Nancy Grace," and (this directed at a mother of three young children) "The bimbo back in town . I hope not for long ." Awkward spacing in original.

The bolded portion has the stench of SJW defense-smear.

[Just say Nikki]

Because SJWs are the main cultural group that glorifies maternity.

[SugarFree]

He doesn't have to be coherent, just like Trump doesn't have to be.

[VG Zaytsev]

It's out of their playbook.

What's the point of dropping that into an 'observational' piece?

[Cytotoxic]

BECAUSE IT'S A RELEVANT DETAIL YOU DUMBASS

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Right, SJWs never hide behind children.

[Just say Nikki]

Right, that's what I said.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Yep, it's only right-wing reactionaries crying out "FOR THE CHILDREN!!" SJWs would NEVER leverage kids for a conceived advantage.

[Just say Nikki]

No, it's 99% of everybody, which is why it's not dispositive of anything at all.

[Cytotoxic]

Wow you are a seriously dumb motherfucker. I can see why you'd support Trump.

[VG Zaytsev]

Why does some dumb canuck give a fuck about who's the next president of the US.

[Cytotoxic]

Because it massively influences the Canadian economy and political climate.

[Harold Falcon]

Sounds like a personal problem on your end. Fuck off.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Indeed, only a SJW would find it crass to call a professional woman with three children a "bimbo."

[Nonstopdrivel]

Bimbos never have children, much less multiple children? The things I learn around here.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Donald Trump is a gigantic, gaping vagina with skin so thin he's practically translucent and somehow people like you have convinced yourselves he's Speaking Truth to Power rather than throwing an irrational hissy-fit that appeals mostly the dumbest people in the country.

[jesse.in.mb]

He's been the same (public) person for the entire time I've been alive. Yet people in meatspace keep telling me they're voting for Trump and/or really like what Trump has to say.

At least they usually seem sheepish about it. I can't wait until the populist portion of hte election cycle ends and we can get down to the mediocrity of Clinton/Bush 2016.

[VG Zaytsev]

What makes you think that it will end?

At least he's entertaining.

[jesse.in.mb]

What makes you think that it will end?

I dunno, all of the election cycles in recent memory that had early leads from populists who ultimately spluttered out and were replaced by incredibly milquetoast candidates?

At least he's entertaining.

I don't disagree, and if people were saying they poll in favor of Trump because they want him to stay in and be this election's rodeo clown for as long as possible, I'd give them a high-five. But when people are telling me they want him as their next president I worry.

[VG Zaytsev]

Can't be worse than Obama.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Oh, well I'm glad you're setting your sights so high.

And yes he could be and yes he will be. Donald Trump is everything bad about Obama (narcissistic, far dumber, highly statist, no desire to be bound by checks and balances) while also being the sort of ludicrous pseudo-He Man you can expect to start unnecessary wars.

He is the absolute worst possible candidate in this election from a libertarian perspective. The absolute worst and far worse than Obama.

[VG Zaytsev]

Yes, he might make a bad deal to give Iran nukes.

Or overthrow a neutered enemy.

Or project weakness though rhetoric even as he engages in military adventures.

[Cytotoxic]

I'm sure Trump will top all of that awfulness.

[Cytotoxic]

Yes he can. He is calling for Smoot-Hawley 2.0 and the consequences will be teh same.

[VG Zaytsev]

I was unaware that the president could enact tariffs on his own. Or that Smooth Hawley happened in a vacuum.

[Cytotoxic]

Yes, Trump would have to get Congress on board. I'm still uninterested in taking the chance or giving power to someone that stupid. I have no idea what you're talking about re vacuum.

[VG Zaytsev]

SH was 1 of half a dozen major causes of the great depression.

[Cytotoxic]

SH killed any chance of recovery after the initial crash.

[VG Zaytsev]

So did a number of other actions by the government.

Smoot-Hawley was especially idiotic for the US, as we were the world's primary exporter at the time.

[CatoTheChipper]

Nu-huh. Congress is a bunch of losers. They are stupid. Same goes for the Supreme Court. Obama has already established that the President can do whatever he wants with a phone and a pen. Pretty much all the men with guns work for the President and that settles that.

[Number.6]

And immediately after the election, well, Trump would have been 'given a mandate by the electorate'.

Congress wouldn't want to oppose the manifest will of the people, would they?

[Citizen X]

Smooth Hawley would be an awesome name for a jazz combo.

[Sudden]

Short of a true Scotsman, I'm not sure he could be any worse than empty establishment suit or empty establishment pantsuit.

[Marty Comanche]

Trump is already worse than Obama.

Obama babbled like a child about "hope and change." It was a stupid slogan aimed at very stupid people. His speeches had all the sophistication and political insight of an average Teletubbies episode. And yet he won.

So how could Trump be worse? Instead of saying nothing -- like Obama did -- he says stupid things that sound like political statements but aren't. He makes these bizarre abstractions about how the US needs to do this or that because Mexico and China are laughing at us. He thinks he can turn the economy around by "getting tough" with China and forcing them to agree to ... something. And he thinks Mexico has some sort of program to select destitute murderers and rapists to be "sent" across the border. He doesn't seem to have the vaguest idea of how government works. He doesn't draw a distinction between the government and its people.

We can flatter him by saying that he's a fascist, but the truth is much sadder than that. He is the random person off the street who votes but has zero political knowledge. He vacillates wildly between Republican and Democrat not because he is so independent, but because his lack of civic knowledge has made him a weather vane. He "tells it like it is" because he is too stupid to know that he's just spouting platitudes. Obama may have been a cynical scumbag, but electing Trump would be like electing one of Obama's deluded followers.

[Citizen X]

Some of those followers, i assume, are good people.

[Zunalter]

As long as you don't define good as "meaningfully attached to reality".

[Rabbit]

I've never read a more accurate description the Donald. THANK YOU!

[Dey Turk Er Jurbs]

I've been lurking around here for about a year now and finally decided to create an account to tell you this is probably the best description of Trump I've ever seen. Spot on.

[Sevo]

"At least they usually seem sheepish about it."

They have much to be humble about, as WC might have said.

[VG Zaytsev]

Kelly's question that started this whole pissing match was just more of the usual media bullshit. "Why did you say mean things about woman..."

Fuck that shit.

And fuck all the dumbfucks that are trying to stir up support for her because she's a hot bimbo.

[Just say Nikki]

That's not what she asked. This is what she asked:

Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. You once told a contestant on the Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president? And how do you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton ? that you are part of the war on women?

[Irish ?s ESB]

And he then proceeded to throw an outraged, spluttering temper tantrum that proves he does not have 'the temperament of a man we should elect as president.'

Which means Kelly's question clearly had merit.

[SugarFree]

No, Irish. He bravely told the truth, which bimbos like you can't handle.

[VG Zaytsev]

"he does not have 'the temperament of a man we should elect as president."

What is that supposed to mean?

That he's unworthy of hero worship? - I'd say that's a plus in the next president after the cults of personality that we've had for the last thirty odd years.

Or does it mean that he's unpredictable? Also good. Bush's best attribute was that he was seen as somewhat crazy by foreign leaders. We need that again after 8 years of Obama's giant pussy routine.

[Cytotoxic]

"What is that supposed to mean?"

It's pretty self-explanatory, which just demonstrates what a dumb motherfucker you are.

[VG Zaytsev]

It's pretty self-explanatory, which just demonstrates what a dumb motherfucker you are.

Great.

Then explain it.

[LynchPin1477]

What is that supposed to mean?

Presidents tend to play the role of diplomat and representative on the world stage. They are also often looked to for stable leadership domestically.

Could foreign diplomacy and domestic speechifying use a lot less bull shit and lot more straight talk? Sure. But that's not the same thing as an incoherent, ego-driven tirade. It is possible to be frank and honest without coming off as a complete, barely stable ass.

Trump's persona could do serious damage to our foreign relations and further inflame and divide the country here at home. Neither of those are good things.

[VG Zaytsev]

Please.

[Zunalter]

Brilliant counterpoint, VG, definite Trumpbag supporter level stuff.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Could foreign diplomacy and domestic speechifying use a lot less bull shit and lot more straight talk? Sure.

I applaud his lack of political correctness.

It's a shame every everything he says is completely and utterly wrong.

[CatoTheChipper]

I really don't care whether Trump's temperament is nice. I don't much care whether he is polite.

I do care a lot about whether his temperament is such that it would be safe to entrust him with the launch codes for nuclear weapons.

[VG Zaytsev]

The reaction of my wife and 20 something daughter to that question was WTF?

Then it later came out that the second sentence was a typical media smear by taking the incident out of context.

[Cytotoxic]

No it wasn't.

[Homple]

And how do you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton ? that you are part of the war on women?

I didn't bother watching the "debate" so I don't know what Trump said, but, "The war on women is an unfalsifiable Democrat fantasy accusation and I'm not grabbing that tar baby. Next question", would be to me a proper response.

[Cytotoxic]

Not it's not. The War on Women crap isn't going to get better when you have an asshole that wants a woman 'on her knees' as the GOP frontman.

[VG Zaytsev]

Yes, the way to defeat the socialists is by accepting their bullshit premises and endlessly apologizing in response to their bullshit accusations.

Just ask Romney and McCain.

[Cytotoxic]

Nice strawman. Again, you can't think. Just because that doesn't work doesn't mean vindicating the awful image the left has made for the GOP is going to work.

[Sudden]

He's flipping the damn script, that's the beauty of it. For decades the Left has managed to successfully paint the GOP as anti-woman and the GOP has played deny-deny-deny. It lets them set the frame and any denial becomes a "thou doth protest too much" situation.

Trump is responding to these charges with the technique of agree and amplify. And it's fucking working. His favorability among women is higher than it is among men.

[VG Zaytsev]

The Cosmos refuse to acknowledge that fact.

Because they just know that woman love the dem's socialist bullshit.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Because they just know that woman love the dem's socialist bullshit.

Well, and because polls show it's not true, but other than that...

[Lee G]

His favorability among women is higher than it is among men.

No it's not.

No wonder you like Trump, bullshit seems to be your specialty.

[Sudden]

50% favorable among women. I had seen previous polls showing slightly higher favorable among women than men, but cannot find them now and not sure how dated the poll was. In either event, he has the third highest female favorable of any candidate in the GOP field and that is not in spite of his candor but because of it.

What everyone seems to be missing is that it is candor itself which people are clamoring for. The populace is sick of the focus-group manufactured candidate. They want a real person and are willing to overlook human frailties and idiosyncrasies to get that.

[Lee G]

What everyone seems to be missing is that it is candor itself which people are clamoring for. The populace is sick of the focus-group manufactured candidate. They want a real person and are willing to overlook human frailties and idiosyncrasies to get that.

Bullshit. They have options. Cruz and Paul for starters. They just want bombast and WWE.

[Sudden]

Cruz and Paul, both of whom I prefer greatly on policy issues to Trump (well at least Paul, I'm still not sold on Cruz) are still both playing the establishment game of being bland and inoffensive and not taking risks on speaking with candor. That is the reason that Rand is having trouble with some of his father's support: Ron was a guy who said what was on his mind, going so far as to call heroin prohibition stupid in a GOP debate in South Carolina by asking a room full of southern 'pubs if any of them would start shooting horse if it were legal.

Much as it pains me to say it, the only candidate other than Trump in the GOP field right now that shows anything remotely approaching the gumption and candor I'd like in a candidate is Christie as he didn't back down from taking on the political suicide of entitlement reform (my #1 issue).

[Peter Verkooijen]

Trump is doing absolutely nothing on entitlement reform, your "#1 issue". He plays to the crowd who want to keep their Social Security and Medicare by blaming any financial shortfall on immigrants.

Rand Paul has been very vocal, including in the debate. Paul raises real issues, like eminent domain abuse and protection of private property rights.

What is the point of Trump's "candor and gumption"? His pathetic attacks on Megyn Kelly? Why do you support this troll?

[Irish ?s ESB]

50% favorable among women. I had seen previous polls showing slightly higher favorable among women than men, but cannot find them now and not sure how dated the poll was. In either event, he has the third highest female favorable of any candidate in the GOP field and that is not in spite of his candor but because of it.

He has the third highest favorability AMONG REPUBLICAN WOMEN.

What do you think his favorability looks like when you factor in Democrats and independents? Dems will hate any Republican, obviously, but I'm willing to bet he's got favorability way below water among independent voters too.

[DenverJ]

Shoulda never let them vote.

Oh, did I say that out loud? Uh, it was joke, yeah, that's the ticket, a joke.

[Just say Nikki]

Why on earth do you think this is actual "candor" as opposed to a different brand of bullshit?

[Sudden]

Perhaps it is as manufactured as the crap we've been spoon fed for a generation now. But even if it is, it is the antithesis of that crap. Trump is giving voice to the verboten, he's engaging in crimethink on an industrial scale. Even if he is being deliberately provocative and making his own views appear more extreme to do so and therefore just bullshitting, he's selling a brand of bullshit that has been previously unavailable. The man is filling a market niche. Kudos to that.

[josh]

^^THIS

i don't get people who call trump "candid" as if it's a good thing, or more accurately, the only thing he is.

[Irish ?s ESB]

He's flipping the damn script, that's the beauty of it. For decades the Left has managed to successfully paint the GOP as anti-woman and the GOP has played deny-deny-deny. It lets them set the frame and any denial becomes a "thou doth protest too much" situation.

Clearly the best solution is to make jokes about women being on the rag and to retweet people who are saying they're angry that 'Jeb Bush speaks Mexican.' That'll really prove the GOP isn't sexist or racist.

As for your claim that 'it's working' his -51 favor-ability rating with Hispanics seems to suggest otherwise. And I don't give a shit if it works and helps him win an election any more than I cared when Obama did shit that worked and he won. Trump is terrible, Obama was terrible, I'm not going to jump up and down and clap because ZOMG TRUMP IS SO UN-PC, YAY!

[Lee G]

I'm not going to jump up and down and clap because ZOMG TRUMP IS SO UN-PC, YAY!

Are you saying that you matured past your teenage years?

[Cytotoxic]

Irish you're just another bimbo who can't handle the truth. You can't win when you're a LOSER.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Clearly the best solution is to make jokes about women being on the rag

Funny how this assertion appears to have solely been manufactured in the minds of the easily outraged.

[Just say Nikki]

His favorability among women is higher than it is among men.

Cite? That's not what Gallup found recently.

[Homple]

The wyminz seemed to be no problem with a Democrat President who had 'em lining up voluntarily outside the Oval Office to come and get on their knees did OK, why not give a Republican equal opportunity?

[Homple]

have no problem

[Mickey Rat]

...and opened another media shitstorm by using the racist concept of "tar baby".

[Heroic Mulatto]

The phrase "tar baby" is as racist as the word "niggardly".

That is, not at all.

[SugarFree]

Yup. I've never understood what was supposed to racist about being familiar with Southern folktales.

It's like referencing Cinderella and someone calling you anti-Russia.

[grrizzly]

What? A Russian connection? I cannot find it here.

[Pan Zagloba]

Soluschka or Cinderella (1945) by Sergei Prokofiev

But maybe it's a reference to Star Trek VI and "if the shoe fits" line.

[SugarFree]

What? A Russian connection? I cannot find it here.

Oops. I guess I mis-remembered the origin. My bad.

[Homple]

Actually African folk tales as recast by American slaves.

[jesse.in.mb]

Let's all watch Song of the South so Uncle Remus can tell us a tale about Brer Rabbit and the tar baby...

Story starts at 34:51 if H&R drops the time tag (also I have no idea why the sound is sped up, sorry).

[PH2050]

Had to watch it again. I love that old Looney Tunes shit. I remember seeing an episode as a kid where a frog on a lilypad took out a revolver and committed suicide. Obviously cartoon violence but I find it hard to believe that parents' groups and whoever else would let that air today without attempting to ban it.

[Mickey Rat]

I do not think it should be, but I think you are being naive if you think the exquisitely sensitive it would not.consider it an opportunity to pounce.

[Heroic Mulatto]

the exquisitely sensitive it would not.consider it an opportunity to pounce.

Of course. Doesn't mean we can't engage in some preemptive mocking.

[jesse.in.mb]

I do not think it should be, but I think you are being naive if you think the exquisitely sensitive it would not.consider it an opportunity to pounce.

It's unfortunate, but I agree. I'm also not about to stop using the term.

[Mickey Rat]

I am flabbergasted by the premise of ghe question that the wife of Bill Clinton has any standing to criticize another man's treatment of women.

[soflarider]

That's the answer Trump should have given.

[pronomian]

Uh, that I would never ask her to get on her knees?

[Lee G]

Trump is a misogynistic douchebag who deserved to be called out. If he can't handle that, fuck him, he doesn't deserve to be nominated.

I've got no problems with the question she asked.

[pronomian]

I don't have a problem with the questions either, now with that said, which other of these republican bozos deserve to be nominated? Saying anyone but trump would put christie, rubio, walker in the mix, even hillary or sanders. None of them deserve to be nominated, but as usual, we will vote against our conscience then go on to whine for the next 4 years.

[DenverJ]

I think Walker is going to win the nomination and the presidency.
I know he's not a libertarian, but I don't think he'd make a bad president. Anyone who will take on the public service unions is ok in my book.

[Old Man With Candy]

Dude, have you seen her naked?

[LynchPin1477]

Have you?

[VG Zaytsev]

Got pix

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

Seriously, Old Man, put up or stop teasing us!!!!!

[cliffjumper]

pretty close with her GQ photo shoot, google it not bad for a middle aged woman

[Heroic Mulatto]

Just wondering. What's the relationship between you and "Zaytsev"...did you just forget your forum password one day or is it a different guy?

[VG Zaytsev]

Yes it's me I forgot the password but have it saved on a different device.

[Heroic Mulatto]

*nods*

Got it. Unfortunately, as you know, we have someone with a penchant for spoofing.

[cliffjumper]

liberal women are ugly, they hate her

[Res ipsa loquitur]

^^ This

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist.

This is why I can tolerate the Trumpdates.

[R C Dean]

She, like all her newsreader ilk, is an entertainer. Nothing more, nothing less.

If Trump really wanted to lay a sick burn on her, that's how he would refer to her. And every other newsreader with delusions of adequacy outside teleprompter-equipped studio and crowds of sycophants.

[PH2050]

+1000

[Sudden]

I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist.

This is easily the most agreeable position his campaign has taken so far.

[bassjoe]

Well, yeah. But if he kept the criticism of her to that, he wouldn't be leading the polls right now.

[JW]

He's a grotesquely dimwitted boor of mindless bluster and incoherent, unworkable ideas. He's just what we need to make America great again!

[SugarFree]

I honestly didn't think they could do worse than Palin.

[Lee G]

The GOP loves itself some bluster.

[bassjoe]

The scary thing is that Palin was considered somewhat-reasonable before getting the VP nod. Then she was batshit crazy. Admittedly, that could be because Alaska is a provincial backwater nobody actually cares about in the lower 48 other than in the ANWR debate so it was impossible to tell how she'd do in the limelight.

Trump has ALWAYS been batshit crazy.

[Banjos]

He's going to make America great again by building a giant catapult and launching Chinese illegal aliens and attractive blondes who insult him back into Mexico. He's going to stand up to the politically correct establishment politicians who tell him his ideas do not make sense!

[bassjoe]

Don't forget he's going to evade questions on how he's going to pay for his proposals by saying other people's estimates "just aren't true".

[jesse.in.mb]

I'm glad he's took a firm stand in the debates against Japanese car imports. Those dastardly Japanese making their cars America designing them in corporate HQs a few blocks from where I work...in America!

[pronomian]

Agreed. We need Christie.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

MOAR TRUMP!!!!!

[Lee G]

Trumpy trumpy trump

[Carl, Fighter of the Nightman]

The bimbo back in town .

Learn English or get out of America!!!

Oh...

[lap83]

"She's a member of the media elite"

Is this supposed to be a compliment?

[Matt Welch]

No, it's a description.

[josh]

you lose all credibility when you start describing things. best to just criticize or praise them. pick a side.

[Ken Shultz]

I like the right wing media man demanding an apology for Trump's non-PC language angle.

[John]

Megan is a bimbo and everyone knows it. If she were fat and homely like anyone would know who she was

[jesse.in.mb]

Dude, white-knighting Trump isn't going to get you laid.

[Sudden]

White-knighting Hillary isn't gonna get you laid either Jesse.

Liz Warren is gonna come riding in on her horse to save the day. Of that, I have no reservations.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

How?

[OneOut]

Warren's cheekbones are a little too high for me.

[Cytotoxic]

You really don't have any moves other than 'double-down' do you?

[grrizzly]

You're not in on the joke.

[jesse.in.mb]

To be fair, he has a good reason to want her to get the nom.

[Pan Zagloba]

The bet is still on? Once again Democratic primary becomes interesting!

[John]

Who gives a shit? If Megyn Kelly wants to suck my cock to defend her, sure. She sucked Ailes cock and he is defending her

[Irish ?s ESB]

Wow John. Megyn Kelly makes Fox News millions upon millions of dollars. Do you think Bill O'Reilly gave Ailes sexual favors too, or are you just trying to one-up Trump himself in your bizarre misogynistic bluster?

Apparently a hot woman who makes her company enormous amounts of money must have only gotten her job because she slept with someone. Tremendous logic, John. You going to try and explain to me how Cam Newton only got his job because of affirmative action next?

[SugarFree]

John's Palin switch has been flipped about Trump. Now Trump can do no wrong. Now all criticism of Trump is just childish slander.

John has chosen to die on Combover Hill, and by God, die he will.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Beautiful.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

Fuck Cam Newton. He only made the playoffs the past two years because of blown calls against the Saints in major late-season games. Total bullshit.

[Cytotoxic]

I love how the butthurt the HitandRunpublicans get about negative conservatives stereotypes, and then go to great lengths to vindicate those stereotypes. Yep: lots of conservatives are stupid, racist, and sexist.

[Just say Nikki]

Look, Cyto, there are only two types of conservatives: the ones who hate women, and the ones who lie about it.

Clearly.

[John]

It would not surprise me if Alles were a fag. But Kelly is like all newsreaders a whore. NTTAWWT. My only beef wKelly is she pretends her looks and willingness to suck cock are not why she is famous

[Lee G]

Now you're just trolling

[John]

It's true.

[cliffjumper]

Bill started and made fox news, megyn came from a obscure daytime part time gig to a prime time slot. Only a slut gets a slot like that.

[Loki]

I have to say it's disturbing to me the number of people I see actually defending Domald Trump on a lot of these threads. People who I thought would be smarter than to defend a cronyist, fascist, narcissitic gasbag shitheel who's policy "positions" are about as far from libertarianism as you can get in that every position he's put forward so far would grow the government by leaps and bounds. Perhaps I overestimated some of my fellow commenters' intelligence.

[SugarFree]

Sounds like we've got another cosmocuckian, boys.

[jesse.in.mb]

cosmocuckian

Cuckmotarian?

[Irish ?s ESB]

Someone used chalupatarian on Twitter which actually sounds to me like a goddamn compliment.

[Lee G]

Chalupas come from Satan's asshole. I had to go to confession after eating one.

[SugarFree]

Holdocoscuckian?

[0x90]

John Cocktosten.

[Episteme]

cosmocuckian

Cuckmotarian?

Don't cross the streams! That's how you Candidate Trumps!

[Loki]

I can't help it if I like COCKTAILZ! *runs away sobbing*

[PH2050]

Hey, hey, come there, don't cry. It's okay to like cocktails.

I had this amazing sour apple martini at Fox & Hound in Charlotte. I still think about it and will taste it again next time I'm there. I'm not afraid to admit it any more. At least, anonymously admit it to anonymous people on the internet.

[jesse.in.mb]

I had this amazing sour apple martini

This post would've been way better using the teenage girl handle.

[PH2050]

Whoa, what? I'm one person, bro. Swears. Ask Aggy.

Or is that false consciousness? Am I actually a sock borne of someone's fevered imagination?

[jesse.in.mb]

Sure, Everyone knows that all commenters are socks of Episiarch, who is just a manifestation of the Fist-atman.

[PH2050]

I'm an adherent of Zoroastrianism, so I'd prefer to think of Fist as Ahura Mazda and Epi as Ahriman.

[jesse.in.mb]

You can name them whatever you like, but all suffering stems from Fist's misidentification with "reality"

[PH2050]

I lol'd. Thanks 🙂

[Loki]

Am I actually a sock borne of someone's fevered imagination?

We all are.

[Lee G]

But he hates all the right people!

[paranoid android]

Yeah, I'm not sure the cause, but something about the political climate in the past several months has really brought out the worst in some people.

[John]

I am not defending Trump. I am calling Kelly a whore. Trump is a clown. But that doesn't mean Kelly isn't a whore.

[cliffjumper]

I am unconvinced Kelly is a whore, she has demonstrated only mid level sexual skills, apprentice whore at best

[Red Rocks Rockin]

People who I thought would be smarter than to defend a cronyist, fascist, narcissitic gasbag shitheel who's policy "positions" are about as far from libertarianism as you can get in that every position he's put forward so far would grow the government by leaps and bounds.

If Trump blows up the current version of the GOP (which has been cronyist, fascist, and grown the government by leaps and bounds, so it's not like Trump's proposing anything novel in that respect), I'd consider that reason enough. Hell, if he makes it to the convention, it could be like the 1968 Dem convention all over again.

It's not relevant whether his policy positions are the antithesis of libertarianism, because a principled libertarian normally wouldn't be voting for GOP candidates anyway.

[pronomian]

That's a pretty harsh thing to say about Walker, or was it Cruz? Maybe it was christie, or rubio, with 17 gazillian republicans running for prez I wish you would have narrowed it down instead of making us decide which one.

[Episteme]

If Reince Priebus can just convince those guys to get into their suits form up into Elephant Voltron long enough to fight off Donald Trump...

[Mickey Rat]

I think it is quite possible to recognize Trump as an awful candidate and be irritated by the silly and insulting ways tv news anchors frame these kinds of questions in what are supposed to be political debates.

[Overt]

You can say that the entire debate format where the moderators asked a bunch of "Gotcha" questions was sub par. I might agree to that. But Megyn Kelly's question to Trump was hardly anything special in comparison to all the other questions given to the other candidates.

In a field of a billion primary contestants, the debate format was probably one of the best for weeding out the crowd- figure out where the candidates were weakest and see how they do (or squirm) under that line of questioning. Much better than the previous primaries where candidates would shoot forward under fawning praise until they encountered the MSM who were just sitting on each candidate's kryptonite waiting to unleash it.

Carson got hit on his Foreign Policy blunders. Bush on immigration. Trump was given a tough question about how his past could be a liability running against someone like Clinton.

I have yet to see why Megyn's question was out of bounds. And all the people in here shit-talking Kelly are doing what Trump did- getting too concerned with the messenger and not paying attention to the message.

[JWatts]

I thought the Panel questions were pretty harsh, but they were equally harsh. And as Overt said, they were useful in forcing the candidates to address their weak points.

[grrizzly]

Candy Crowley must have been a really good journalist.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

When Helen Thomas took out her dentures, she blew all her younger competitors away.

[Ken Shultz]

I got nothin' but respect for the Univsion school of anchor casting.

[pronomian]

You mean another rosie o'donkeyll, heehaw, heehaw

[Just say Nikki]

I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair.

I can't decide whether he is just really inarticulate or whether he is trying to say that if you win the debate, it's wrong to have been questioned during the debate.

[SugarFree]

I think he's saying that he should have been treated with kid gloves because he is the frontrunner. He's made he didn't get pandered to like that Ifill debate.

[Lee G]

Exactly. He's an asshole.

[JWatts]

This. Trump was, is and always will be an asshole. It's always been part of his persona.

[Sudden]

For as long as I can remember, it's been a source of great consternation to me that so many Americans chose to vote for candidates not based on policy preference but because they wanna vote for the guy they'd rather have a beer with. The tendency of the electorate to care more about personality than policy is something I've long argued is the reason representative democracy sucks as a system. I would rather vote for someone I personally can't stand in terms of temperament and disposition as long as they embraced my core philosophical principles.

Then Trump comes along. I disagree with him on most major policy positions, save the one that makes me persona non grata here at H&R. But I can't help but want to vote for the guy because he pisses off all the right people.

[grrizzly]

At least Sarah Palin was hot. Trump? Come on.

[Sudden]

Palin pissed people off because she was an attractive female. Trump pisses people off because of his blase attitude, lack of a filter, and over-the-top arrogance. Voting for Trump would be the equivalent of voting for an older, richer, and more batshit crazy version of myself.

[pronomian]

peyoo, peyoo, peyoo

[PapayaSF]

I agree. But a great deal of Trump's support comes from opposing mass illegal immigration, which not only matches what most of the country believes, but which conflicts with the views of Democrats and leftists (who want more poor people and voters to "transform" the country), the Republican establishment and the Chamber of Commerce (who want cheap labor and are afraid of being called "racists"), and even libertarians (who have a self-defeating ideological blind spot here).

When popular views are opposed by the "approved" representatives, the populace will turn to unapproved ones like Trump.

[Cytotoxic]

"who have a self-defeating ideological blind spot here"

Freedom = 'blind spot'. Spoken like a true fascist.

"But a great deal of Trump's support comes from opposing mass illegal immigration, which not only matches what most of the country believes"

Bzzzt. Most of the country supports amnesty. You lose again.

One of the reasons that libertarians are mentally superior to conservatives, aside from us not being stunningly hypocritical, is that we generally don't throw down with people because they 'piss off the right people' because that's really stupid.

[PapayaSF]

Voters Strongly Oppose Obama's Amnesty Plan for Illegal Immigrants

[Cytotoxic]

According to Gallup they are just fine with the concept of amnesty. You lose again.

[Calidissident]

Considering only 24% thought the president had the authority to do that, I don't think that really reflects upon the popularity of amnesty overall. Disagreeing with Obama's specific plan and course of action doesn't mean America supports Trump's plan.

[pronomian]

I believe the blind spot he refers to is the idea that open immigration in a welfare state is a good thing, or is Milton Friedman also a "fascist?"

[Cytotoxic]

That's not all he's referring to, and there is no correlation between immigration levels in 1990 and welfare monies spent in 2011.

[PapayaSF]

71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009

[Banjos]

" and even libertarians (who have a self-defeating ideological blind spot here)"

You mean principles?

[KDN]

Every Mexican that crosses the Rio Grande without government permission brings us one step closer to Africa depopulating itself in order to steal all our food.

[PapayaSF]

No, the Africans are taking over Europe. That's Europe's problem.

[Cytotoxic]

No they're not.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Correct, the Muslimites are.

[PapayaSF]

Yes, because principles often come in sets, and may conflict with one another. And the principle of "free movement of people" (i.e. "Anyone in the world who wants to live in the US should be allowed to") is, in various ways, in conflict with the basic libertarian principle of limited government. It burdens a bankrupt welfare state. It feeds the racial grievance mongers. It drives down wages. It makes the US more like the shitty Latin American countries these people are fleeing. Thus, one libertarian principle can subvert other libertarian principles.

[pronomian]

gasp!!!! You actually made sense. So because of that you will be excommunicated from the libertarian church until such a time you repent of such blasphemy.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

It makes the US more like the shitty Latin American countries these people are fleeing.

You'd think open borders types would get the concept of cultural migration. It's a bit ignorant to look throughout American history and see how the importation of European culture affected the development of the US during its history through the early 20th century, but then believe that 40 million Latin Americans and climbing won't do the same thing.

[Cytotoxic]

1) No it doesn't burden the welfare state. There is no correlation between immigration levels in 1990 and welfare spending in 2011.

2) Don't care about grevious mongers.

3) Bullshit alert. Immigration does not drive down wages.

4) More bullshit. There is no evidence America is becoming more like Latin American countries. I wish America were more like Chile in many respects.

It's not America's job to indulge your pants-wetting.

[PapayaSF]

Immigration does not drive down wages.

Cytotoxic, you may find this hard to believe, but there's this thing called supply and demand. Even more astonishing, it even applies to labor!

[DenverJ]

^ THIS ^ How people who extol the benefits and workings of the market cannot grasp this simple concept is beyond me. Actually,I think they do get it, they just consider the concept of freedom of movement more important than the economic wellbeing of their fellow citizens.

[pronomian]

Principles, hmmm. Interesting response. You mean the principle of every "resident (being promised) a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not." That's already happening with what we have, so to make us greater we need more of that? We have people coming in who's children have to have extra instruction, from learning english to getting caught up to their age level over burdening state budgets. But that isn't a problem really, the states can just get more revenue in raising taxes or better yet, have the state sanctioned revenue collectors, aka police, milk more from the populace. That's a good libertarian ideal, more gov't rules and laws in order to get more money. That's just the education system, then there's the welfare budgets, healthcare, etc.

[Cytotoxic]

WTF are you babbling about?

[cliffjumper]

take away social financial benefits and there is no magnet for illegals, thus no problem for libertarians.

[Calidissident]

"But a great deal of Trump's support comes from opposing mass illegal immigration"

And stripping millions of Americans of citizenship and deporting them. And making racist comments about Mexican immigrants. Let's not sugar coat things, or be politically correct. Let's call it like it is. Plenty of Republican candidates have opposed illegal immigration strongly. None of them have resonated as much with this crowd because they didn't express it in such insane, over-the-top racist terms like he has.

[JWatts]

" None of them have resonated as much with this crowd because they didn't express it in such insane, over-the-top racist terms like he has."

Trump is an idiot and his comments were silly, but they were not insane or "over-the-top" racist."

[DenverJ]

Yeah, yeah they kinda were.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

I dunno, I'd rather have a beer with Charles Evan Hughes. Wilson just seems like he would have been a condescending prick.

[DenverJ]

Hell,I think it'd be a blast to party with Nick Nolte, but I sure as hell wouldn't vote for him for president!

[bassjoe]

Wait? Who wants to have a beer with Trump? That seems like a terrible night out.

[Lee G]

Christ, could you imagine the endless spewing of crap out of his mouth? Do you think he ever shuts up?

[pronomian]

are you kidding? With all his money, you think he'll just goto the dive on the corner, we're talking Ritz Carlton, maybe a private jet to belgium for authentic strong belgium tripels.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Can I hate them both?

[bassjoe]

So you're anti-securing the border AND anti-women? You animal.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Hell, that's half the fun!

[lap83]

The only thing more annoying than Trump is the stupidity of the media responses to his trolling.

And now Fox head honcho Roger Ailes, who had reportedly negotiated a "truce" with Trump after prior Trump-Kelly skirmishing, has issued a blistering demand for an apology:

There's no such thing as a "blistering" demand for a public apology. You can call him on his bullshit, and should, but whining about him being a meanie pants is not the way to do it. No shit he didn't give the apology. Changing horses midstream, etc.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

What makes Trump's run so fascinating is this is really the first time we're seeing someone with "fuck you" money that isn't tied to major donors and their interests run for president. Just look at Scott Walker--Stanley Hubbard yanks on his leash, and Walker comes to heel like a good little bitch, instead of calling a press conference, ripping up Hubbard's checks, and blasting him for an hour for telling him how to act in public. Can anyone imagine Trump letting some fatcat donor tell him what to say without trolling him back on Twitter?

The other interesting thing is that Trump doesn't do this mealy-mouthed, hypocritical "I have great respect for my opponent" schtick before talking about all the reasons his opponents suck. He comes right out of the gate and says it. He openly scorns his opponents, not sissy bullshit like the passive-aggressive surreptitious middle finger that Obama made famous during his first presidential run when talking about John McCain or Hillary Clinton.

So yeah, why should Trump apologize to Ailes? The man's doubled his lead over his closest opponent by virtue of NOT apologizing over the course of the last few months. Why the hell would he switch tactics now?

[Illocust]

This is one of the things that really makes me root for a trump presidency. He'd be an awful president, but he could potentially pave the way for a whole new way of campaigning. Candidates that don't apologize and backtrack every time someone squeals could get us a much better view of what they actually support.

[josh]

it wouldn't happen though, because, like you said, he'd be an awful president. people tend to do a 180 after awful presidencies. a trump administration would undermine straight talk -which is a generous definition of what he actually does- and being independent for possibly a generation.

[OneOut]

Too young and/or ignorant of history to have heard of Ross Perot ?

[Red Rocks Rockin]

And Perot would have had a good shot at winning if he hadn't gone nuts and dropped out midstream. Of course, he didn't have Trump's sand to flip his opponents the bird.

[pronomian]

Anyone think the Koch bros aren't going to pull some strings? I'm not begrudging them that, hell, you take my money I want something in return. If it weren't for trump in the first debate would anyone have actually watched it, or payed attention if they did? Every other candidate said what he thought we wanted to hear, every other answer was the same ole, we need to make america great again, we need to create more jobs, blah blah blah. We've had politicians in office for decades and we are more socialist now than before, we have greater gov't influence over us than before (falls in line with being more socialist), we are less respected, mid east is getting out of control, russia has no apprehension of taking back at leas some of the territories it once owned.....Maybe it's time for a businessman to run this federal company. I was hoping Forbes would have made greater inroads.

[Number.6]

Let's not have a businessman running "America, Inc.".

[Overt]

Yeah the Gracchi brothers had the same modus operandi. And the mob loved them for it. Finally, a wealthy and powerful figure (Tiberius) was speaking out for them. They were brash. They spoke about what everyone in the street was feeling but too scared to say. The Gracchi didn't play politics and power games with the elite brokers in the Roman Senate. They had the mob behind them, and by gods the powerful were going to hear them.

That it ushered in the era of the Caesars and ultimately led to the destruction of the Roman Republic is just a footnote of history I guess.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Of course, people rarely figure out that the Gracchi would never have gained the influence they did if the Senate and the patricians hadn't created the social and political environment that made their rise possible.

[DenverJ]

Oh, those were just old slave-owning white guys, and it was like, a hundred years ago, or something.
We've got the right Top Men this time, and it's going to be spectacular, just you wait and see!

[PapayaSF]

What I think is hilarious is that so many people are outraged that Trump said "her... wherever." "OMG, you can't use a word like "wherever" in public!!"

[Just say Nikki]

Because that's the complaint people are making about that remark.

[Cytotoxic]

You are one seriously dense motherfucker. It's almost awe-inspiring. Are you sure you're not trolling us?

[PapayaSF]

You seem incapable of carrying on a conversation like an adult. You don't see the humor in people being outraged at the use of the word "wherever"?

[Cytotoxic]

Wow....Jesus. Dense like Uranium.

[PapayaSF]

Stop being such a jerk. Of course I understand why people took offense. I just think the particular words at which they took offense make it funny. If Trump had said "out of her cunt" it wouldn't be funny, but saying "wherever" as a euphemism makes it funny when every freaks out.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

To be fair, Cytotoxic appears to be quite fixated on her snatch, so you can see why he gets so upset.

[pronomian]

Can't use "her." All words havetonowtherefore be gender neutral. By using the aforementioned restricted word "her" he implied she was a she, and not a he, or a he-she which means he meant that she was not as good a journalist as a he otherwise he would have just said "the whatever" or used her name, without her surname Mrs., Miss, or Ms.

[Je suis Woodchipper]

Trump-Biden Deathmatch? would be the most watched TV show ever.

And I'm nearly certain I'm voting for Trump if he wins the primary and faces Hillary in the general.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You could put it on right after "Ow, My Balls" to ensure you maximize the target audience.

[R C Dean]

I'm a Deez Nuts man, myself.

[Cytotoxic]

You would prefer Smoot-hawley 2.0 and the attendant depression to a crook?

[Sudden]

The corruption of Hillary and Clinton, Inc. is something unparalleled in the history of the republic. It would represent a crossing of the Rubicon towards the banana republic. I would cast a vote for Bernie Sanders before acquiescing to President Hillary.

[Cytotoxic]

Corruption is survivable. Socialism-from Bernier or Trumpie- is not.

[Overt]

^^This.

I almost gave my wife a heart attack when I told her I would vote for Hillary over Trump. I'd even vote Sanders over trump.

Hillary would probably do no different than any other centrist politician, and Sanders has so many stupid stances that he would get nothing done. Trump, on the other hand is the worst type of dictator. I have no faith that he would do anything but kick out illegals. Great, the Conservatives kick out illegals. But then when he starts banning assault rifles, erecting Bloomberg-esque bans on anything he dislikes personally, and using the state to target his enemies, then what?

[DenverJ]

You know who else was the worst kind of dictator?

[Episteme]

The one appointed solely to drive a nail into the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus to mark the end of a period of pestilence during Republican Rome?

[Dan Bongard]

The first 180 or so years of our country's history contain countless parallels to "Clinton, Inc.". She wouldn't even make a top ten list of politicians who used political corruption to enrich themselves.

Hell, the Kennedy family alone makes the Clintons look like a bunch of pikers, and The Kennedys had nothing on the machine politics of the mid-19th century.

[Calidissident]

As someone else said, that's not really unparalleled at all in US history. Trump himself is pretty corrupt, and his immigration plan includes stripping millions of people of citizenship and deporting them. Hillary is bad. Terrible. Awful. (Insert negative adjective here). But she isn't that bad.

[paranoid android]

Your comment suddenly evoked memories of the TV show Celebrity Deathmatch and led me to the discovery that what appears to be the entire run of the show is on Youtube.

I'm interested in seeing if I find this as funny now as I did when I was 12.

[Cytotoxic]

It probably isn't.

[Cytotoxic]

When will the GOP man up and kick Trump and his retarded supporters out of the party? Yeah, he'll probably go third party and they'll lose 2016. That's a small price to pay to avoid the problems this guy and Legion of Yokel Dipshits will bring the GOP and the country.

[Mickey Rat]

They have no legal ability to kick anyone out of the party and Trump is largely self-funding, so they cannot even deny him money.

[pronomian]

Yea, both bushes were such a stellar example of what the GOP really stands for.

[Mark6]

Yeah and McCain was a wonder too!

[Cytotoxic]

Conservaderps really love their deflection.

[affenkopf]

Trumps retweets are hilarious. He retweeted a guy talking about ?Jeb! speaking Mexican.

[Homple]

I hear that Jeb also speaks Austrian.

[0x90]

Australian, I think you meant.

[Sudden]

WRT Alt-txt:

Not much in common with Nancy Grace. But I cannot get past how much that cover has a Jenner quality to it. It should be titled "Call Me Megyn, not bimbo"

[simplybe]

I tend to like Megan Kelly probably as much as I dislike Trump but the night of the debate as Kelly was asking Trump her question she had pure hate in her eyes and voice. I personally think she is lucky that he waited until after the debate to rip her. I realize commentators are people with feelings and opinions but if you can't put them aside until after the debate then you should excuse yourself.

[Hyperion]

I'm sure Meagan supports the GOP establishments anointed candidate, which is likely Jeb Bush. So of course she's mad that the Donald is fucking it up.

[Mike M.]

She's a centrist democrat who supports Hillary.

[Lee G]

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

The only issue is the question and how Trump responded to it. The question was valid since he has a demonstrated misogynistic attitude. His response since the debate has only confirmed it. He had an opportunity to rise above it and show that he was better than that. He could have even opposed the question and risen above the issue. But no, he's acting like an ODU fratboy who's determined to be as obnoxious as possible.

Sure he's free to do it, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid and unworthy of someone campaigning to be an elected leader.

[pronomian]

I agree, his responses were awesome.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

+1

[Hyperion]

Well, Jebllary or Jebllary? What difference does it make.

[Mark6]

She and apparently everyone on air at Fox has been given marching orders to take out Trump

[Sudden]

One also cannot help but note the irony that her hatred of men judging women by appearance considering that tendency is a major reason Kelly has had a successful career.

[Hyperion]

Laughable, of course. She doesn't hate that, she enjoys the attention being an attractive woman as much as any other women. There are two types of women. Those that enjoy attention and those that lie about it.

[josh]

i've seen megyn kelly angry. debate megyn kelly wasn't angry....certainly wasn't filled with pure hate.

[Episteme]

Debate Megyn Kelly was fueled by one thing: the thought that tens of millions of people were tuning in to see a stageful of Presidential Candidates at her effective whim. She's been on the rise on both Fox News and (as we see on the magazine covers shown) in the media zeitgeist) as a news media presence, especially on a cable network that's been #1 in ratings for years but hasn't promoted any new figures to prime time aside from now her for years. This was her big break (and the feud with Trump does nothing but serve to keep her in the very news that she works in, and not for any reason necessarily detrimental to herself). I've never been a big fan of Kelly's ?she comes too much from the O'Reilly school of newscasting for my tastes, but she's come out ahead in this whole process.

Who I remain surprised was so supine on the debate night was Bret Baier, who is usually the one guy on Fox News I watch regular-ish; I was counting on him doing an actual good job. As it was, Bill Hemmer and Martha Maccallum in the first debate actually did far better (aside from the "who are you and why are you here!?" questions and should have probably been the ones doing the mainstage hosting.

[Hyperion]

I assume most people here already know that Trump is a fake candidate. At first I thought he was just pulling a stunt to get attention. Now, I'm not so sure as I think his popularity among the dumber than shit public has surprised even him. So now, he's going to at least ride it as long as possible. I think the most likely explanation for Trump is that he's there to make a mockery of the GOP with all this outlandish talk. He's painting a picture of the GOP that every leftist imagines in their most fevered commie dreams, that the GOP is, in effect giving them self assurance that the GOP really is this racist crazy bunch of extremists. So it probably is true the ol Willy is behind this because he really wants to be the first First Dude. I think right now, the Donald and Slick Willy are having a few parties and laughing it up.

[PH2050]

Hyperion, I have some tinfoil you can use to make a hat.

My theory:

Trump is an egotistical asshat.

[Hyperion]

I have my own tinfoil, thank you!

That's not a conspiracy theory you know? Bill actually called Donald and encouraged him to run as a Republican. Why?

[Res ipsa loquitur]

I thought that he was a fake too, but then read he actually has hired more staff in Iowa than any other Republican candidates. Unless he plans on winning early then getting out, I don't understand why he would do so unless he actually planned on trying to win.

[Cytotoxic]

All the more reason for the GOP to terminate his candidacy.

[Mike M.]

The GOP can't terminate his candidacy. All they can do is not support him with party funds. As far as the debates go, the networks have complete control over who gets on the air and who doesn't.

[cliffjumper]

When every political party hates someone, that a sparkling endorsement as far as I am concerned.

[DenverJ]

Yeah, well you know who else both political parties hated?

[Episteme]

As Mike notes, the networks control who's one the air. And regardless of how much Trump is...well...Trump, the idea that he's going to be the stage basically guarantees viewers. And the networks don't care about good policy discussions, they care about train wrecks that lots of people watch and share videos from on social media, and that they can blather about for days afterwards.

Those of us who just want to, for example, pick apart Walker's and Rubio's comparative health care plans and kick the policy tires feel by comparison like the guy in the Charles Atlas ad who just got sand kicked in their face and their gal stolen by Donald Trump ? not that we even know where to send that dime!

[Cytotoxic]

Between Trump and Sanders, I think I'd take Sanders because Texas and several other states might declare separation minutes after he wins the presidency.

[Hyperion]

That's foolish. Of course TX will not secede because of Sanders being president. The guy is a communist and he's going to pick White Squaw as his running mate if he wins the nomination. You really want the economic ruin that those two could affect in 4 years? Be careful what you wish for.

[Hyperion]

On the other hand, if Trump does win, keep in mind, he won't actually do any of the crazy stuff he said he was going to do. Instead he'll be more like a Dem lite as POTUS. Probably better than Obama, but not good.

[Cytotoxic]

That's quite a leap of faith right there.

[Lee G]

I met Iaccoca right before the '92 election. His words to me were "Perot is a good friend, but don't vote for him. He's nuts and will probably dissolve Congress."

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

I keep telling myself that, in the unlikely event that Trump does become president, the Democrats and Republicans in Congress will unite in their hatred and take real action to scale back the power of the executive. It's really the only way I can console myself when I think about how fucked we are come 2017.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Donald Trump would be impeached with bi-partisan support within six months of getting elected because it is guaranteed he will break the law in a thousand different ways and no one will defend him because the Republicans hate him too.

[cliffjumper]

Do what O did and have a vice more bat shit crazy than you, good insurance.

[DenverJ]

That's what I was thinking. How about Jesse Ventura?

[Rasilio]

You are assuming that we will not see the same level of economic ruin anyway.

As badly fucked up as the global economy is the only difference between electing Sanders or FA Hayek himself is the timing before everything goes seriously kablooey.

Electing Sanders at least means there is a chance that Socialism will get the blame it so rightfully deserves

[PH2050]

Electing Sanders at least means there is a chance that Socialism will get the blame it so rightfully deserves

Never bet on Doomsday.

[Hyperion]

Yeah, it's a pretty bad bet. I only lost about 5k yesterday in the stock market because I have most of my stuff, getting nearer to retirement, in low risk stuff.

There's too many theories about why this is happening, China, the oil glut, the Fed fucking around too much. But in the end, it's a market economy and this occasionally happens. I don't see any doomsday coming soon unless a 5 mile wide asteroid hits us.

[PH2050]

You're always pretty positive, and I like that. I remember arguing with you over a year ago about the outlook being positive or negative concerning the new crop of voters I interact with on campus. Thanks for helping me remain a "glass half full" kind of guy.

[Cytotoxic]

With world debt levels where they are and the world's #1 reserve currency turning to crap, there will be a very severe reckoning.

[PH2050]

Whatever you say, Nostradamus.

[Cytotoxic]

Oh Christ if the Obama presidency can sidestep blame then Sanders can too. This plan is so dumb. President Hayek could use the situation to implement good policy and prevent bad policies, like bailouts.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

Personally, I think Julian Castro is going to be the VP candidate regardless of who gets the nomination. He's the Dems' token Hispanic.

[Hyperion]

The Dem VP candidate will be White Squaw, no matter who wins the D nomination.

One Native American vagina trumps One White Hispanic.

[cliffjumper]

raise your Native American vagina tot Ru Paul, one fake vagina black gay "lady"

[PH2050]

Nobody is seceding. You're high on too much maple syrup or something.

[Cytotoxic]

Texas is taking its bullion back. Not saying that will lead to secession, but it would make it easier.

[Hyperion]

Well, how are they going to do that?

[Loki]

Between Trump and Sanders, I'd vote for whoever the LP nominee is, and then hope that Sanders wins. While he's be a disaster on economics, he'd at least be better for civil liberties, criminal justice reform, etc. Also, electing a died in the wool socialist and then watching the economic devastation that would unfold from high import tarriffs, sky high taxes, even MOAR government spending/ free shit might finally get the lesson across to a few people that it DOESN'T FUCKING WORK! It may be worth the shitstorm in order to discredit socialism for another 20 plus years (before enough people forget about what happened last time and elect another full on socialist).

[Number.6]

So, in effect, you want to immanentize the eschaton.

I can dig that.

[Loki]

Donald Trump trump de trump. Trump de trumpity trumpy trump. Until one day, the trumpa trumpa trumpatrump. Trump de trump. Da teedily dumb. From the creators of Der, and Tum Ta Tittaly Tum Ta Too, Donald Trump is Da Trump Dee Trump Da Teetley Trumpee Trumpee Dumb. Rated PG-13.

[CatoTheChipper]

The FreeRepublic crowd is bashing Fox right now, threatening to boycott, and earnestly wishing that Trump will cut Fox off from access.

In the past I've been amused by the left eating their own. Now conservatives are doing it and, well, it's just as amusing.

[Hyperion]

It always cracks me up when I see people on comment boards in a big pissing contest about how CNN and MSNBC are biased, no FauxNews is biased! Dumbasses, they're all biased, but in the end, they're all establishment mouthpiece puppets. Just that one of them went against the tide and decided to spew a different rhetoric.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

I love the "Faux News" crowd. It's like they've never heard the word pronounced in real life.

[Irish ?s ESB]

The Faux News idiots are amazing because they've been making the joke for fucking 10 years and it wasn't funny the first time.

Faux News is to pathetic leftists as "I USED TO BE X AND THEN I TOOK AN ARROW IN THE KNEE" is to lame, aspergery gamers. It was never funny, yet people still behave as if they're clever when they say it.

No wonder these idiots like Jon Stewart so much, his jokes stopped being funny around 2006 too.

[Hyperion]

They haven't even figured out yet that Drudge Report is not an actual news site.

[Hyperion]

The thing about Stewart is that he used to be sort of funny, but his extreme bias in trying to parody the news just gets very irritating after a while for any thinking person.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

He, like so many others in the media, fell in love with Obama and stopped doing their job.

[Cytotoxic]

His schtick got lazier and as I got older I wearied of it.

[grrizzly]

A serious question. How are you supposed to pronounce "Faux News"? X or no x?

[John]

FAW news.

[Loki]

I thought it was "fo", but then again I took 3 years of HS Fench and didn't learn a Goddamned thing, so...

[John]

If you drive a BMW its Fo, like the Vietnamese dish. If you drive a Ford, is FAW.

[Heroic Mulatto]

But Ph? is pronounced like "Fuh?"

[Loki]

Correct. When I lived in Houston there was a Vietnemese restaurant called "Pho King".

[jesse.in.mb]

We have a "Phuket Thai" restaurant which of course leads to a lot of "we're going to Fuck it Thai" even from people who know it's a hard p.

[jesse.in.mb]

faux chaux, Breux

Now I want beignets.

[Loki]

It's pronounced "fo" with a long o. Rhimes with "so".

[jesse.in.mb]

I don't think I've ever heard someone actually say "f?" news, so I'm guessing it's just a written pun that doesn't translate well to spoken use?

[grrizzly]

That was exactly the reason I asked. I've never heard anyone actually say it in real life.

[paranoid android]

That was exactly the reason I asked. I've never heard anyone actually say it in real life.

But if they actually thought that "faux" was a homonym of "fox", then you wouldn't necessarily know they were saying it, would you?

[jesse.in.mb]

But if they actually thought that "faux" was a homonym of "fox", then you wouldn't necessarily know they were saying it, would you?

This is a perfectly cromulent point.

[grrizzly]

Faux News is such a profound put-down. We should spend more time deconstructing it.

[Citizen X]

Beats talking about Trump.

[John]

It really is. I honestly can't say I find this anything other than amusing.

[Cytotoxic]

One other thing: the Right-Wing Media is, with a few exception, a failure and a toilet. It is not different from the MSM, it just emulates its pandering to and validation of certain peoples' beliefs without the veneer of professionalism that the MSM has.

[Hyperion]

Good comment, except for the veneer of professionalism. What? They're a bunch of idiotic hacks, all of them.

[John]

Yes. They are all hacks and whores.

[John]

Megyn Kelly is a bible head who got where she is because she is hot and has easy morals. Trump is a clown and carnival barker. They deserve each other. Why anyone lets their dislike of Trump cause them to think of Kelly as anything but the whore she is is beyond me.

[Ken Shultz]

"Why anyone lets their dislike of Trump cause them to think of Kelly as anything but the whore she is is beyond me."

They used to pick news broadcasters based on whether they had a Midwestern accent. Now they use other criteria. Must be able to read a teleprompter. Must be light on the eyes...

Nothing wrong with hot chicks being hot, and we know you like 'em with a little more meat on their bones, but why is it necessary to call her a bible head and a...ahem...whore?

[John]

What makes her a whore is her smug belief that her looks have nothing to do with her success.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Which of course doesn't make her a whore because being a whore has a very specific meaning and you're clearly implying (as you did upthread) that she slept her way to the top.

You go to very ugly, despicable places when you're riled up and it's becoming unsettling. Between this and seriously arguing that slavery wasn't necessarily worse than the progressive income tax and business regulation, you've pretty much played into every negative conservative stereotype imaginable.

[John]

I would bet my mortgage payment Kelly got her job because she sucked the right cock because there are lots of hot women and that is how life works. I have no love loss for Trump but spare me the Kelly fanboys pretending she is something other than what she is. That is not how life works.

[paranoid android]

I would bet my mortgage payment Kelly got her job because she sucked the right cock because there are lots of hot women and that is how life works. I have no love loss for Trump but spare me the Kelly fanboys pretending she is something other than what she is. That is not how life works.

You are a disgusting human being.

[John]

And you are an idiot. Have fun living in a fantasy world.

[Irish ?s ESB]

I do not watch Megyn Kelly's show. I do not care about Megyn Kelly in any sense. I am not a Megyn Kelly fanboy. You'd probably be able to guess that given that I've never quoted Megyn Kelly on this board as if I give a shit what she has to say.

So my criticism of the fact that you're an outright misogynist who goes to immensely dark places when a woman disagrees with you has nothing to do with my caring about Megyn Kelly. Just like my disgust when you seriously argued slavery is less of an affront to liberty than the graduated income tax had nothing to do with my being some sort of black activist white knight, but was because what you said was horrifying.

[John]

Grow a pair of balls and admit to how life works. It is not a meritocracy. Kelly is where she is because she is hot and fucked the right people. What do you think the people in power don't want sex in return for favors? Are you that naive?

What are you 10 years old?

[Ken Shultz]

"I would bet my mortgage payment Kelly got her job because she sucked the right cock because there are lots of hot women and that is how life works."

I hear that's how life works in Houston.

[John]

And every place and time in human history Ken. I have to laugh at Irish and android being such pathetic and immaculated that they deny there is such a thing as a casting couch.

[Cytotoxic]

Oh look John is pretending to know something he actually can't know! It must be a day ending in 'y'. Tell us how the Scopes trial was a huge set up Red Toney.

[Mark6]

Exactly, leggy bleached blondes are a dime a dozen!

[Mike M.]

Damn, you're making me feel guilty just for having known her once.

(I never fucked her).

[Loki]

Did Megyn Kelly turn you down you down for a date or something years ago? I'm really curious where you're getting this "she's a whore/ sucked Roger Ailes dick" stuff from. Is there any proof that she traded sexual favors for her job, or are you just assuming she did? That might have come off snarky, but I'm actually genuinely curious if you have an actual citation for this claim.

[John]

No. I don't understand how you guys are this naive. Anyone could do what she does. And there is an endless supply of hot women. Why do you think she is where she is and not the hundreds of other hot women who would like to be there? Some have morals. That is why.

[Number.6]

Is this some kind of Newscaster Purity Test you're proposing here, John?

Maybe they should all have their hymens inspected and stomach samples taken before they're allowed to be shown on the Tele-Vision Screen.

"Boss, this one has fragments of hot dog, mustard and semen in her gut sample"

"OK, Jim, wheel out the understudy ..."

Sounds like something the Taliban might do.

[John]

No. Men are men and women are women. Attractiveness and willingness to fuck has a power all its own.

[Number.6]

Maybe anyone *could* do what she does John.

I'm finding it hard to understand why the person sitting in front of the camera must be some morally upstanding goddess before you'll deign to hold permit her to speak.

Me? I can't think of anyone on TV who I'd want as a godparent for my kids - hell, I don't think I'd want to buy a used car from anyone on any network channel. But that's a far cry from slandering some thin blonde who does a mediocre job of interviewing celebrity politicians.

[John]

I agree. I don't care how she got her job. Good for her. I am only taking issue with the people who want to pretend her getting her job was something other than what it is.

[Number.6]

I wish I could be as certain of anything as you seem to be of everything.

But you're being disingenuous when you say "Good for her", because it looks more like envy than anything else.

The more curious among us might speculate that you tried to do what you claim Kelly has done, except that Anna Wintour threw you out of her office when you jumped on the couch and offered some quid-pro-quo.

[Loki]

I suppose it's within the realm of possibility that she sucked and fucked her way to the top, but there's lots of attractive successful women out there, some of which also have incredibly easy jobs. Should I just assume they all sucked and fucked their way to the top?

I guess what I'm really saying is: pics or it didn't happen.

[lap83]

In the past, John has been pretty vocal that he thinks Megyn Kelly is incompetent. So if you start with the premises that someone in a high-profile position is incompetent but hot, it's really not a stretch to speculate that they probably have some other "skills". I don't know that I agree with him because I don't know much about her, but he's not being misogynistic. He's making more of a statement about her abilities than anything.

For the record, I have worked a few places where this kind of thing went on. So that might be part of the reason why I'm not as shocked at the insinuation as some of you.

[Dan Bongard]

Sometimes I wonder if John is just conducting a long-running parody of an right-wing ignoramus. He's a little too perfect.

[Ron]

I'm starting to think that the intelligent John that we have come to know commenting here has been high jacked by a troll because his comments of late are so out of character.

[Citizen X]

Are they?

[Cytotoxic]

He went crazy when Reason didn't love Romney for taking Ryan as his VP.

[Calidissident]

He used to be reasonable for the most part, and then have a meltdown once in a while where he just went crazy in one thread and then pretty much went back to normal. Lately he's been increasingly and more consistently nuts. I seriously think the gay marriage thing just set him off, the trend seems to have coincided with that.

[John]

Seriously what is crazy about thinking there is a casting couch in broadcasting? See Lap above.

It is funny. I am supposed to be some Fox News watching back yet I am the one calling Kelly out here.

[Jackand Ace]

I'm not sure all of you at Reason understand the Frankenstein story, Matt. You were all defenders and apologists for the Tea Party a couple of years ago, and it's a fact that Trump is enjoying more support from the Tea Party than any other GOP candidate. He even outpolls Ted Cruz among the TP faithful, 26% to 13%.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015.....referrer;=

Just a tad of pot and kettle from you, Matt.

[John]

Fuck off Joe. No one cares what some angry midget thinks. Coward.

[SugarFree]

Fuck off, you boring, short cunt.

[Irish ?s ESB]

You were an apologist for Hugo Chavez, Commie.

[SugarFree]

Were? Still is.

TRUST DEMOCRACY

[Sevo]

Jackand Ace|8.25.15 @ 3:21PM|#
"I'm not sure all of you at Reason understand the Frankenstein story, Matt. You were all defenders and apologists for the Tea Party a couple of years ago, and it's a fact that Trump is enjoying more support from the Tea Party than any other GOP candidate."

Hey, Jack! How much does cherry-picking pay these days?

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Shouldn't you be making chocolate in Willy Wonka's factory with the other Oompa-Loompas?

[Ken Shultz]

"You were all defenders and apologists for the Tea Party a couple of years ago, and it's a fact that Trump is enjoying more support from the Tea Party than any other GOP candidate."

The Tea Party was not monolithic. There were some Paulites involved, and there were other people whose fiscal conservatism was about saving social security and medicare--programs most libertarians would like to see die on the vine.

Two years ago, you used to defend x, and now y is enjoying the support of x--so you're all either anti-immigrant weirdos or hypocrites? That's not how the logic thingy works.

To whatever extent Reason staff supported the Tea Party, it was to the extent that the Tea Party represented libertarian arguments--at that time. The Tea Party was against TARP for instance. There isn't anything embarrassing about that.

Reason staff also roundly condemned the police abuse of Occupy protestors at Davis, in Oakland, and elsewhere. That didn't make Reason staff supporters of the Occupy movement in any other context, and bringing up their support for the Occupy movement on that one issue now because Occupy supports something unbecoming of a libertarian organization would be silly.

So is bringing up Tea Party support for Trump. TARP, the nationalization of GM, etc. were wrong, Reason staff were right to support Tea Party protestors on those issues, and if the Tea Party two years later supports Trump for some other reason, then that doesn't change anything.

[Dan Bongard]

In other words, 74% of the Tea Party doesn't support Trump.

[PH2050]

Move to Venezuela already, tool.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Jackand Ace.....Venezuela, discuss, I'm listening.

[SugarFree]

The best part about all this is going to be after Trump going up in a burst of retard-colored flames. And all the dimwits we be like "You thought I was serious? I never supported Trump? I was kidding. Hurr Drr."

[Loki]

I'm starting to wonder if he actually will go up in flames. A month ago I didn't think he'd go any higher than 25%, now he's above 30%. I'm really hoping he flames out eventually, because I'm really not liking the prospect of having either a thoroughly corrupt cunt or a fascist cronyist blowhard narcissist as the next president.

Although I suppose that's not really that much different than most elections, just that both major party candidates will be much more openly horrible this time.

[Loki]

... and one of them will still win, because "OMGZ DON'T THROW YER VOTE AWAY MOST IMPORTANT ELEKSHUN EVAR!!!11!!!!!"

[John]

He might. But he seems to be taking a lot of people with him.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

As long as the media elites are constantly predicting his imminent demise, Trump isn't going anywhere. Each round of "Trump is going to crash and burn after THIS!" just embiggens the desire of his supporters to stick it to the MSM once more.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

He's doing it for attention. Once he stops receiving it, he'll get bored and go find new wife or something.

[Sudden]

I'll own it long after he goes up in flames:

I do not support Trump. There is only one policy issue that I like him on. But goddamn I love watching the GOP establishment. the institutional Left, and most libertarians work them up into a frothing rage because he pisses everyone off and refuses to prostrate himself to the self-righteous Orwellians.

[Trump-o-Matic 5000]

^This. That's how most of his supporters feel, I think.

[XM]

Megyn Kelly works for Fox News, and no one (not even the left) likes Rosie O'Donnell. Heidi Klum is a B level celebrity. Trump managed to pick fights with the right kinds of women, so to speak.

Also, Trump (unlike 99% of Republicans and Ross Perot) is a known media personality. He's not just a CEO of a big company. The guy had several TV shows, appeared in movies, and made national headlines with his high profile relationships. He OBVIOUSLY has allies in the popular entertainment, even as some TV stations backed away from him. He's a very interesting and buzzworthy character candidate to the likes of Access Hollywood.

All I know is, if Cruz or Paul told a female heckler to "stop acting like a bimbo", the internet and every corner of MSM would be all over it. War on women! But with Trump, it's more like "What controversial thing did Donald say this time around"?

I think he question that needs to be asked to Trump is - "How do you differ from the Governator"? He's obviously riding his celebrity status to early success, but how is he on the substance? The Republicans detest Arnold now.

[Ken Shultz]

"All I know is, if Cruz or Paul told a female heckler to "stop acting like a bimbo", the internet and every corner of MSM would be all over it. War on women!"

I'm hoping this will eventually be good for those candidates, too.

It's hard to paint Paul and Cruz as insensitive dolts when a real insensitive dolt is making headlines daily.

[Loki]

It's hard to paint Paul and Cruz as insensitive dolts when a real insensitive dolt is making headlines daily.

I'm sure MSNBC will still give it the old college try.

[josh]

has anyone ever seen a trump apology? i'm starting to think it's like the lochness monster, but rarer.

[Loki]

If he ever did apoligize to anyone, I suspect it would be the perfect case study in passive aggressive non-apology apologies. He'd probably end up insulting the poor sap worse than whatever he was apologizing for.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

I love watching the GOP establishment. the institutional Left, and most libertarians work them up into a frothing rage because he pisses everyone off and refuses to prostrate himself to the self-righteous Orwellians.

The frothing rage is coming about because none of the usual methods of shaming and isolation work with this guy. He was initially seen as a joke and walking caricature with absolutely no shot at all. But every time he opened his mouth, the Outrage Brigades tried to end it and instead of going out meekly, he fired back at anyone and everyone--Republicans, Democrats, media bobbleheads--and increased his popularity as a result. There's definitely a flavor of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" coming from many sides of the political spectrum towards him and his supporters, and it's no surprise that the more his numbers climb, the madder they get.

[Cytotoxic]

Following principle vs cheering on a guy who 'makes teh bad guyz angry' = difference between maturity and a child

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Thanks for making my point for me.

[Dan Bongard]

I see Trump's support as Obama envy. There has been a petulant, vindictive, whiny, unqualified left-winger in charge of the White House for eight years. A certain percentage of conservatives think "I want me some of that" -- and thus we have Trump, a petulant, vindictive, whiny, unqualified right-winger.

No, he isn't someone any intelligent person could think was the best choice in the field, or even a good choice from the field. But he appeals *emotionally* to people who feel butthurt by eight years of Obama.

[Cytotoxic]

That is an excellent summary.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

100% correct. GOP leaders still follow the rule of law, still like to placate the media, still play nice, while Obama has smashed them in the mouth again and again pushing the legal envelope and not giving a shit.

I think many on the right would love to see someone as president who employs the same tactics against the left. Don't like planned parenthood, no problem, some executive order is signed banning all funding, F-Congress, don't like the IRS no problem an executive order requiring audits of all IRS employees daily, the list could go on and on.

Man, this will be so fun ! TRUMP 2016, I'm on board !!!1!111!!!

[Dan Bongard]

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, Trump is a useless jackass. On the other hand, I am sick and tired of the whole business of ritually demanding and receiving apologies. There's nothing sincere about it. I guess on balance everyone involved deserves each other.

[AlgerHiss]

Assume someone had called Julie Chen an ignorant, stinky whore. There's no way you'd ever find Les Moonves coming to her defense, because Moonves is a sissy and a coward.

Aisles is defending Kelly because he's a real guy and steps up, especially when he doesn't have to.

[AlmightyJB]

Spoiled child. Zero class.

[Mark6]

Wanna see The Donald's ability to make things happen? Let him boycott Fox and see how fast Ms Kelly apologizes!

[Dan Bongard]

How does a politician "boycott" a news organization? What's he going to do, throw a 3-week hissy fit every time they air a story about him?

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

Obama tried that, didn't he?

[bacon-magic]

Trumpocalypse..."Trump trumps the non-trumps and all his fans trumpet his trumpness." /trump troll

[ashliedriscoll]

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[ZardozSpeaksToYou]

LOL.
Look at all the little panty-waists getting all sanctimonious about trump calling a presstitute a Bimbo.

[Tony]

He just kicked out Jorge Ramos from his press conference for asking a question out of turn. Trump does have a path to win the election with 0% of the Latino vote and 0% of the woman vote. All he needs is a time machine...

[ZardozSpeaksToYou]

Man, this thread gives new meaning to the word "apologist".

Every single person Trump has insulted deserved it. Yeah, that includes all the illegal aliens.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it !

[ConstitutionFirst]

America has become so "truth aversive", when someone like Trump comes along, the pansies of this world curl up into the fetal position and collectively wet themselves.
Trump is not the ideal candidate, but we can not ignore the fact WHY he resonates.
Like a starving man, they grasp at substance, any substance.
The media hacks pick one horrible candidate after another, defecating on any candidate who doesn't comport to their bubble paradigm of what the (Progressive) world should look like.
Have you had enough? Maybe America needs a swift kick in the keester to teach us which side of the bread the butter is on.
Clearly defaulting to the Malfeasant Media to pick our elected representatives for us, has been disastrous.

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

She might be a bimbo, but he doesn't have a chance and he needs to divorce the bimbo he's currently married to.

[gphx]

Strange how women are supposed to be as capably competitive as men (they are) but when they engage a male in combat and lose the man is supposed to apologize for her having a vagina.

You can be competitive or you can be mollycoddled but not both. Take your pick.

[The Elite Elite]

People are still going on about one idiot calling another idiot a bimbo? Who cares? If Kelly and all these others that hate Trump want to take him down, how about asking him relevant questions, like how he praised Hillary in the past, or how he has suddenly changed his views on various issues. Not, "You said mean things about certain women in the past, how do you answer for this?" But nope, that doesn't happen, so this fake candidate gets to keep going on, and these people that support him keep thinking he's something he's not. *sigh*

[ConstitutionFirst]

First Trump never called Kelly a Bimbo, he re-tweeted someone elses comment. Not a smooth move on Trumps part, but why lie about it?
Second Murdock (who together with Alies, own Fox News) has promoted Bloomberg for president.
Between the lies, misrepresentations and promotion of Progressive hacks, do you really want to get your political advice from these media clowns?
FOX does not represent either Conservative or Libertarian American ideals. More like Progressive lite.

[The Elite Elite]

Pretty much. I always get a good laugh whenever I hear some proglodyte claim that Fox News is a far-right propaganda network. (They also usually claim Bill O'Reilly to be some far-right conservative). About the only non-prog person they have at Fox is Stossel.

[tutoru]

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[Peter Verkooijen]

It's not fascinating. It's not entertaining. It's pathetic and depressing.

[Garagefather]

Fox should save their aggression for the democrats, not carry their water (Who else will? Not the MSM; not the Republican establishment). Kelly appeared like a media sellout schill for democrats and she paid for it, whether she deserved it or not. People are tired of this game the DC establishment plays.

Isn't Fox partly the reason we got Bush, McCain, and Romney? How could Trump be any worse than that list? I know that isn't saying much but my intent was not to support Trump, which I don't, it was to give a big eff u to the beltway media.

[elenasestes]

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[Jonathon]

Part 1:
While I wouldn't think of voting for Trump in the primaries, I would hope some of the other candidates running for election as well as some of those who are currently serving in our government as Republicans would listen to some of what he is saying. We are constantly bombarded with numbers, statistical estimated facts, which are more often than not presented to us in a way promoting the idea that ONLY government can act in ways to resolve the problems they represent. In reality, the source of many if not most of today's problems both social and fiscal can be found to have been created by governments attempt to resolve such problems which periodically arise naturally, gradually decaying more appropriately and with far fewer lasting and increasing consequences if left to the many individual societies and their inhabitants to resolve on their own.

[Jonathon]

Part 2:
Our Nation was founded on the principle of individual freedom, NOT collectivism. Yes, I know slavery continued to exist and women were not initially considered as equal to men, but those changes did take place and probably would have been long forgotten today were it not for changes which took place in 1913 which has brought us to a point where the Federal government has become the source of power, relegating to the people only the democratic process resulting in WHO of those provided to them to select from will be granted the power to rule over them with or without need of their consent for the next 2, 4, or 6 years.

Yes, Trump may be loud, often speaking politically incorrect, and somewhat offensive, but he does often speak out more rationally on the issues that a majority of Americans are looking to be resolved once and for all. I think we should all recognize that there are now more than 18 trillion reasons to listen to what Trump is saying relative to what some of the other candidates, from both parties are saying.