Joe Biden

So is Joe Biden Running for President or What?

Someone's got to be the Anybody But Clinton candidate, unless they're already in the field.

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Whether Vice President Joe Biden makes a run for the presidency—it would be his third try since 1988, when his plagiarism torpedoed his campaign before a single primary—may be one of the last major question marks of the 2016 presidential field. There are 17 "major" candidates for the Republican nomination. Only the top 10 candidates were invited to the first debate, on Fox News, and only the top 10 will be invited to the next debate, on CNN. Between the crowded field, the air Donald Trump is taking up, and the dearth of substantive differences  between most of the candidates, even if another one showed up it probably wouldn't make much of a difference. 

Not so on the Democratic side, where the RealClearPolitics average of polls has Hillary Clinton with a nearly two-to-one margin over her next competitor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Sanders is leading her in the average of New Hampshire polls, but the other three candidates, former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley, former Virginia senator Jim Webb, and former Rhode Island senator and governor, and former Republican, Lincoln Chafee, barely, if even, break 2 percent in the polls. 

Then there's Joe Biden, who polls at around 12 percent when he's included (when he's not included, it tends to add more to Sanders' poll numbers than anyone else's). He was supposed to have, maybe, announced by the end of last month. It didn't happen. A Draft Biden campaign's set up shop, focusing on Iowa. Twelve percent is still a quarter of what Clinton's polling, but it's well ahead of other, announced, Democratic candidates. And it's better than Biden's ever done before. He finished at one percent in Iowa in 2008, below the eventual nominee, Barack Obama, the then long-time frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and even Bill Richardson, who also hit low single digits. In 1987, he was polling at 2.3 percent, below Al Gore, the 1992 and 1996 vice presidential and 2000 presidential nominee, at 3.4. It's a low bar he's set. Vox.com pointed out this morning that Biden has no natural constituency and that Democratic voters don't want him—the closest he's come to Clinton since 2012 in an ongoing series of Huffington Post polls is 27 percent behind. 

And yet the latest Joe Biden news includes the president reportedly giving him his "blessing" to run if he wanted to, Biden inviting top Democratic fundraisers to a meeting at the Naval Observatory, and the White House saying it wouldn't rule out a primary endorsement from the president. President Obama being in full legacy mode, it's difficult to imagine him endorsing anyone other than the man he put "one heartbeat away" from the presidency, if he does make an endorsement. In either case, it's not just House Republicans investigating Clinton's practices as secretary of state, but the Obama administration too. 

In 2008, with defeat almost certain, Clinton suggested she should keep running because sometimes nominations aren't settled until late in the race—1968 presidential candidate Bobby Kennedy, she pointed out, was assassinated in June. After widespread criticism, she said she regretted her comments. But it doesn't take an assassination to throw a primary into disarray; career-ending scandal is far more likely, and plausible, if still improbable. Democrats have the five declared candidates to choose from, provided none drops out before January. Deadlines for filing state primaries, meanwhile, are coming up, starting in November. Even meeting those requires campaign infrastructure. Being an alternative candidate may be more appealing to Joe Biden himself than to Democratic voters, but it is appealing.  

There's always Gore.

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    1. Wash out that filth with this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_-y8Bpy3KE

  1. Run, Joe, run!

    Hillary!, Crazy Uncle Joe, The Donald, Fredo Bush . . . truly we are in the decadent phase of American history.

    1. All the more reason to put less money and power in the hands of presidents.

    2. The future’s so dim I gotta wear night-vision googles.

  2. This would be soooooooo entertaining.

  3. career-ending scandal is far more likely, and plausible, if still improbable

    It is sad that multiple felonies, paired with an unending stream of lies in a clumsy coverup, is still long odds to be career-ending for one of the nomenklatura in this country.

  4. Vox.com pointed out this morning that Biden has no natural constituency and that Democratic voters don’t want him

    This isn’t a big fucking deal.

    1. Biden could potentially appeal to the disaffected white working class voters who stayed home in 2012.

      The problem, of course, is that women, minorities, and progtards would not get the tingles over a Biden run and turn out in much smaller numbers than they did for Barry. All of the Dem candidates face this problem (except Hillary with respect to women voters). For a party that likes to congratulated itself on how inclusive and pro-minority they are, the list of potential Democrat nominees is this year is incredibly old, white, and male.

      1. No ones getting the tingles this round.

      2. Ah, but one rumor is that Biden pledges to serve only one turn, and chooses Warren as VP….

        1. Warren is a possibility, but, as I was just saying on the Megyn Kelly thread, I think the Dems will be wheeling out their one Hispanic (Julian Castro) as the VP candidate, regardless of who gets the nomination.

          1. La Raza Unida!

          2. A real life Castro would get the Democrats to the polls repeatedly.

  5. He may as well.

    If Hillary goes down over the mail server Biden and maybe Gore are the only Democrats who could possibly beat Sanders.

    Course he could always just sit out the Primaries since his Boss could easily control the pace of the investigation to force her to withdraw just before the convention and then Smiling Joe can come riding in to rescue the party

    1. To me, the real question isn’t “what does Obama have on Hillary” (more than enough to put her away for a very long time, I’m sure).

      Its “what do the Clinton’s have on Obama”. Because at this point, that’s her only protection.

      1. There isn’t really anything that the Clintons could do to Obama at this point, I don’t think. It’s not like Michelle is going to run for anything, and Barry will want a few years of retirement/heckling Republicans from the sidelines before trying to move on to something to keep his enormous ego inflated (people have speculated the UN). He doesn’t need the Clintons to get him there, as Hillary won’t be president.

        I suspect Barry is just waiting for the right moment to torpedo Clinton.

        1. I suspect he sincerely doesn’t want to see a Republican in the White House. He may go after her if there is enough public pressure to do so, and if he thinks doing so won’t wreck the Democrats in 2016. But I guess I have a hard time believing that there is so much animosity between the Clinton’s and Obama that he would go after her just out of spite.

        2. There isn’t really anything that the Clintons could do to Obama at this point, I don’t think.

          I’d love to find out. But I suspect you’re right: they’ve got nothing, and are at his mercy. IF so, here’s hoping he pulls the pin on a full-scale investigation and indictment of her. At the worst possible moment for her.

        3. “I suspect Barry is just waiting for the right moment to torpedo Clinton.”

          A little payback for the Clinton’s dirty pool attempts to torpedo him out of the primaries? Why would he ever hold a grudge over that?

    2. It can’t be a good feeling to know your career and possibly your freedom is subject to the whims of the Obamas.

      1. It hasn’t been a good feeling for any of us, for years.

      2. You know, people say Hillary isn’t a regular Joe, that she doesn’t get the struggles and fears that normal Americans have to deal with on a daily basis, but when you put it that way, clearly people are full of hooey.

  6. He’d be better than Sanders or Clinton.

    1. As in better, funnier gaffs?

      1. He seems more sincere than Clinton but not as destructively wrong as Sanders.

        1. “Sincerely slightly destructively wrong!”

          He has a campaign slogan now.

          1. And sadly, it might make him the best either major party has to offer.

            This is going to be rough.

          2. Vote Biden! He’s not a sociopathic liar, or a socialist moron!

            Works for me.

            1. I’m pretty sure Biden is a socialist moron. He just puts more emphasis on the moron aspect.

              1. Sometimes politicians pretend to be morons in order to achieve goals they wouldn’t be allowed to if people knew they acting purposely. And sometimes they’re Joe.

              2. Honestly, I don’t think he is particularly stupid or socialist (unless you are using the definition of socialist that includes any kind of government redistribution program, in which case every major politician is a socialist).

  7. “So is Joe Biden Running for President or What?”

    Joe’s occupied groping some little girls at the moment. He’ll let you know after he wraps the session.

      1. At this rate, Joe will be groping all of us before the year’s out.

  8. Maybe it’s the Left Coast fever swamp I swim in, but I don’t think Sanders is such a long shot for the nomination as many think. The Democratic Party has moved very far left. People like Webb and Chafee seem to be in it more out of inertia than anything else. In any case, how does Clinton or Biden attack Sanders without sounding, to a great many Democrats, like a Republican/conservative/libertarian? Are they going to attack Sanders for wanting too much government, too much spending? When was the last time a Democrat said anything like that?

    1. I believe you may be correct. The 40 and under crowd that predominantly vote democrat in my area are all gushing over Sanders at the moment. It’s Howard Dean all over again. The millennial libs are completely jaded with Hildabeast. As long as he doesn’t have a complete meltdown within the next year he very well may get the nomination.

      Oh, fun game to play with progs: Recite a list of Nazi party policy platforms that Sanders ascribes to and see how many they agree with(usually all). Then inform them who they are agreeing with, and watch their heads spin.

      1. haha do you have the list of policies?

      2. “We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!” ?Gregor Strasser

        “To be a socialist means to let the ego serve the neighbor, to sacrifice the self for the whole. In its deepest sense socialism equals service.” ?Joseph Goebbels

        “To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole.” ?Joseph Goebbels

        1. These sound pretty evil even without the Nazi endorsements.

          1. Indeed, but I bet you could get 50%+ of Democrats to agree to those statements if the attributions were left off.

  9. I remember my English teacher in 1988 saying re Biden – “see, if you plagiarize you won’t get to be President!”

    Now Biden is the Great Democratic Hope.

    1. That is going to come up again. And what amuses me is that he didn’t just plagiarize, he plagiarized another politician’s life story! LOL

      1. Meh. I don’t think that’s really anything to get worked up over. Yeah, it makes him look pathetic and opportunistic, but compared to the skeletons in Hillary’s closet, the hit squad will need to find something much worse than that.

    2. Maybe what we need is a plagiarist. It’s not like people with original ideas have done so well.

  10. Since Biden and Warren both want a $15 minimum wage, if they ran together would we get a $30 minimum wage?

  11. Biden brings something fresh to the table. You’ve got the insanity of Trump, the dishonesty of Clinton and a 72-year-old man who has already served his country in numerous capacities and done so exceptionally well. I hope he does decide to run. The daily beast did an article on him that covers his humanity as well as his indecision very accurately: http://www.thedailybeast.com/a…..en-do.html

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