Rand Paul

Rand Paul: "Tomorrow, I will force the expiration of the NSA illegal spy program."

So long bulk collections under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which courts say are unauthorized and the FBI says are ineffective.

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National Journal is reporting that libertarian-leaning Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is going to do whatever it takes to force the end of some Patriot Act powers.

"Tomorrow, we will come back with just hours left before the NSA illegal spying powers expire," the Kentucky Republican and presidential candidate said. "Let me be clear: I acknowledge the need for a robust intelligence agency and for a vigilant national security. I believe we must fight terrorism, and I believe we must stand strong against our enemies.

"But we do not need to give up who we are to defeat them. In fact, we must not. There has to be another way. We must find it together. So tomorrow, I will force the expiration of the NSA illegal spy program."

Read more here.

Related: As the conservative Washington Times reported on May 21, the FBI itself "can't point to any major terrorism cases they've cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department's inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating." 

That's from a report on whether the bulk-collection actions controversially underwritten by section 215 of the act helped American officials in fighting terrorism. Also feeding into questions about the Patriot Act's efficacy and legitimacy is a federal court's ruling earlier this month that the law doesn't actually authorize the bulk collections that law enforcement claims.

Taken together, I think that Paul's popular actions against the Patriot Act, government questioning of its effectiveness, and meaningful legal challenges it all point in the same direction: We are as a country finally coming out of the fog generated in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. The Global War on Terror is being reevaluated at every level, from tactics to strategy to relevance. This is a good thing and augurs well for significant changes in the near future.

Paul is taking a beating for being the only Republican—and only major presidential candidate of either party—who seriously questions the intelligence-industrial complex and a hyper-inerventionist foreign policy. That may mean he'll have some rough sledding in early Republican primaries. But he's also the only candidate who is speaking truth to power on this score and his insight that 215 bulk collection is neither useful nor legal is already being corroborated by other sources.

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  1. This is when an actual filibuster makes sense.

    1. Im not familiar enough with Senate rules to know if that is a possibility tomorrow. I do know that Rand is doing God’s worm in an unholy place. He has my support and whichever way this thing goes I am srsly considering switching parties to support him in the primary.

      1. Do it and stop worrying which party you’re affiliated with. Just vote for the person, fuck parties.

        1. I cant vote in the Republican party unless I am a registered Republican in my state.

          1. typo: vote in the *primary*

          2. Right I think he was saying not to sweat switching your party affiliation so much, not that you should vote in the primary even if you don’t switch.

    2. Hastert liked to filabuster provided the boy’s name was Buster.

  2. Rand Mother Fucking Paul!

    1. Do you mean that is a good way or bad way?

  3. the FBI itself “can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act

    Maybe it’s because spying on ~300,000,000 people who aren’t terrorists doesn’t help stop terrorism?

    1. EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL TERRORIST.

    2. FBI to the people: “We’re sorry we couldn’t do anything about the Boston bomber in trying to stop him we were too busy trying to decipher Aunt Judy’s potato salad recipe.”

      Defeat the Patriot Act: http://thoughtsofamascman.blog…..-wire.html

      Note to mods: sorry if I’m repeating myself but this is very important. The Constitution is on the line.

      1. It’s usually the squares who get uptight. I don’t think the mods will mind.

    3. The fucking security apparatus of our government is a joke. I think it was a hotdog vendor that turned in the failed times square bomber. These people are a billion dollar security blanket that protects you from the monster under the bed. Except the monster is real and your blanket ain’t doing shit.

      1. Maybe we should give that hotdog vendor a billion dollars and see what he can do.

      2. In the FBI, there is more snitching than sleuthing.

  4. Rand Paul is soft on terrorism. Probably a secret jihadi.

    1. You know where to stick it,right statist. Please do so sideways.

      Too bad you hate the Constitution. You should go where the statists rule like Cuba or North Korea. You would probably love it there.

      1. PLEASE FLIP THE SARCASM METER TO ‘ON’.

      2. Ok, I’m three hours late. But you’re new here, aren’t you?

    2. Probably a secret jihadi.

      That would be Obama.

      If you had any sense at all you would know that the terrorists hate our Constitution while Senator Rand Paul loves the Constitution. Bad job,statist. No paycheck from Mitch McConnnell for you.

      1. EDG has been here a long time. I’m 100% certain he’s being sarcastic.

  5. There are too many powerful Senators (Leaders, whips, chairman and ranking members) who are fully dedicated to saving the Patriot Act. I would be shocked if the supporters of the Patriot Act don’t find the votes they need to pass an extension.

    1. If they do it will haunt them when they are up for reelection because we the people won’t forget what they did.

      1. Who the hell is we, and how is not forgetting what they did doing anything?

        You: “I’m not gonna forget this!”

        Politician: “Good, now watch as I walk all over your rights slave”

        1. Me: “Well Mr. Politician I’m voting you out of office”.

  6. Give em hell, Rand.

    1. Straight up. Go Rand Go.

    2. Good luck, Senator.

  7. Remember the good old days, circa 2005 – 2007, when Democrats campaigned on repealing the Patriot Act… and then proceeded to do the exact opposite after they were elected? And now a Republican is showing that he is far superior when it comes to civil liberties than anyone on the Democratic side. It really is shameful. It’s too bad most of the left are incapable of feeling shame.

    1. well, he’s still not a Democrat which means he is clearly racist and hates poor people.

      1. and women

        1. @Will Nonya piss me off and AlmightyBO, Hillary’s toast and she may be going to jail.

          There is no war on women but there is a war on men. Thanks to you lefties.

          1. What the hell is the matter with you? You are missing sarcasm left and right.

            1. I don’t have psychic abilities nor can I read minds. If you can that is great but not everyone can.

    2. I’m going to answer my own question.

      I think this really, really, really should help Rand Paul’s campaign.

      Because he is showing that he is for real. He’s not making fake promises to get elected.

      That you could trust him to spend actual political capital on getting rid of bad laws.

      1. I agree with you, I think it can even really help him win the primaries. My general assumption is that voters are tired of being lied to. Many of the “issues” people have with him are based either upon misinformation or the typical half-truth bullshit. Once he gets a larger audience for his positions and lack of desire to be a warmonger he will become more popular.

        That being said, the most common topics about him will be regarding his hair, his father, and good ol Ayn.

        AMERICA

        1. Of course the establishment is so stupid they’re nominate Chris Christie aka the bigmouth ass.

      2. About time we had a statesman. I’m tired of politicians.

  8. Paul is taking a beating for being the only Republican?and only major presidential candidate of either party?who seriously questions the intelligence-industrial complex

    It’s remarkable that the Democrats don’t see what’s happening with Rand and aren’t trying to shore up their base with Rand’s approach.

    Presumably, if a significant faction of the GOP has an issue with Rand on this issue, that should be a signal to the Democrat candidates to co-opt his position. Then, if Rand gets through the primary, the Democrat nominee can either take the issue off the table because they agree or, more likely, play the “Rand Paul is just saying these things so he can steal the election, starve kids, and kill seniors” card. And if someone else wins the GOP nomination, the Democrats can play the “Jeb/Christie/Trump wants to keep the apparatus in place to spy on you and start more illegal wars”.

    1. It confuses me too. I can only conclude that because it is Hillary’s turn, latent anger at Obama stealing her turn means that nothing will dissuade her supporters from full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes.

      Hillary is a piss poor political campaigner, unlike Bill or Obama. The only thing she brings to her campaign is that dogged conviction that it is her turn.

      No one else has the guts to tread their own path except for more of the same. No one dare dis the security apparatus lest they be seen as disrespecting everything Obama and Hillary have built up.

      1. nothing will dissuade her supporters from full speed ahead

        Are you talking about both of them?

        Hillary is a spoiled brat who deserves to go to prison.

    2. It’s remarkable that the Democrats don’t see what’s happening with Rand and aren’t trying to shore up their base with Rand’s approach.

      Principals, not principles. The Democrats will disagree with whatever Rand says simply because of who he is: some nutter who still believes the still Constitution matters. Doesn’t matter if what he says is right or popular, what matters is him. They don’t believe in right or wrong. They only believe in people. They don’t judge a person by what they say, the judge what a person says by who they are. So they can’t take his approach, simply because he’s someone who believes in liberty and justice for all. That liberty and justice stuff is like old and quaint and stuff. Only crazy people believe in it.

      1. Peoples evidence #1: Tony

  9. “But we do not need to give up who we are to defeat them. In fact, we must not. There has to be another way. We must find it together. So tomorrow, I will force the expiration of the NSA illegal spy program.”

    This is a mainstream position.

    This is a leader.

  10. Mitch McConnell weeps.

    1. …big, salty tears….

    2. Turtles can cry?

      1. Doves can cry. So says the artist formerly and currently known as Prince.

    3. A lot of statists will be weeping after tomorrow.

    4. If you think Mitch is weeping, wait until you see Boehner.

      1. “[…]wait until you see Boehner.[…]”

        And if I get lucky, I’d never see him again.

  11. Why is everyone so complacent about this issue? Sure, the internet has made everyone share every
    boring aspect of their lives…that is their choice though, it isn’t mandatory and you get to choose
    the info you want to share. They are all going to regret losing their privacy one day when the govt.
    decides to take it a bit further which of course, you know they will.

    1. “[…]They are all going to regret losing their privacy one day when the govt.
      decides to take it a bit further which of course, you know they will.”

      Therein lies the problem; the damage is in the bye-and-bye, not now. That frog in the water on ‘low’, still boils.

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  13. And I’m sure the NSA will immediately stop collecting data.

    1. the NSA already indicated they’re keeping all the current illegal data – what makes you think they won’t find some new secret legal opinion that collecting data is still ok?

      1. They will, of course, but at least making it illegal will make it less likely they’ll share it with other agencies like the DEA like they’ve been doing.

    2. Why wouldn’t they stop? I mean, if they continue to do illegal things, then they will face some very real consequences like, um, uh…

    3. We should fight that battle after we win this battle. One thing at a time is better than nothing at all.

  14. We are as a country finally coming out of the fog generated in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. The Global War on Terror is being reevaluated at every level, from tactics to strategy to relevance.

    Sure, just like that Libertarian Moment? is right around the corner. I bet Reason a $50 donation that the extension passes easily.

    /pessimist

    1. if it was going to “pass easily” it would have already been passed and there would have been no FREEDOM act to begin with. What youre stating isnt pessimism, its simply out of touch with reality, at this point.

  15. If he succeeds, does he hurt or help his chance to become president?

    1. He differentiates himself in New Hampshire.

      The other candidates are splitting the pro-scaremongering vote six ways.

      The Republican primary voters who don’t like scaremongering will have him and nobody to choose between.

  16. “Paul is taking a beating for being the only Republican?and only major presidential candidate of either party?who seriously questions the intelligence-industrial complex and a hyper-inerventionist foreign policy.”

    This alone is reason enough to vote for him.

    1. The reality is that Obama is being very desultory against ISIS and we’re essentially still in gradual pull-out mode from the Middle East.

      Now, I’m not sure that’s a great strategy (my main worry is sunni-shia all out war might have bad repercussions) but it might work, and its being implemented anyways.

      So, in effect, we are seeing a Rand foreign policy being attempted by Obama. Its like a test-drive.

      I’m hoping Obama’s foreign policy works so Rand can extend it.

      1. If Obama has shown anything during his six years in power, it’s that his only strategy was passing something labeled Obamacare without regard for what it actually did, and for staying in power.

        There is no plan, no strategy, other than staying in power. His behavior brings to mind movie writers and actors depicting CEOs as barking orders, with no comprehension of what the words mean, how unrealistic they are. Or think of astrologers, with their calculators, programs, books, equations, tables, and buzzwords, all the trappings of science, but devoid of substance.

        1. Yes, exactly. Incompetent and no plan is not ending in full disaster. That’s my point.

      2. Destabilizing countries and shipping weapons to vulnerable ‘allies’ that are then siezed by avowed enemies of the United States is a “Rang foreign policy”?!?!?

        I think I now truly understand the exact feelings felt by Indigo Montoya felt whenever Vizzini said “inconceivable”.

        1. Didnt you know Rand was a big drone supporter, tarran? Also, ever notice how when ppl start a sentence with “the reality is…” what comes after is usually bullshit?

          1. Did you ever notice that my point was that Obama is representing “weak interventionist” vs. “strong interventionist” and that by showing that “weak interventionist” isn’t the end of the world, that its essentially a run through of “weak to no interventions?”

    2. Amen

  17. There has to be another way. We must find it together.

    What kind of jerk stops a program that makes me feel safe and not have a replacement already in mind?

    1. Hey idiot,the Patriot Act has not stopped any terrorists. Did it stop the Boston bomber? Don’t believe me ask the FBI.

      1. THAT’S SARCASM SHELDON.

      2. are you fucking autistic “masculistman”?

    2. The kind of jerk that perhaps opposed Hitler’s killing of jews in Germany 😛

  18. That may mean he’ll have some rough sledding in earlyRepublican primaries.

    FIFY and I should point out that the correct phase is “massive defeat.”

    1. phrase. Damn you, NSA-monitored keyboard!

    2. I have hope that the Socon/Karl Rove/Hannity group of voters knows enough to dismiss much of the anti-Paul bluster. I am sure they would prefer that Rubio or Bush did not suck, but they also have to know that Rubio and Bush would just be a continuation of Bush/Obama/Pelosi/Boehner.

      1. Jeb Bush is a hypocrite,he smoked marijuana in his youth but if you needed it for medicinal purposes he would throw you in jail. In fact he was instrumental in making sure Florida did not have medical marijuana. Fuck Jeb Bush.

    3. I should point out that the correct phase is “massive defeat.”

      You don’t know that and should stop pretending to. Trendy emo-tarianism is so tiresome.

      1. Fuck you, this isn’t your election.

        1. It is my election and your defeatist bullshit is tiring.

  19. “I will force the expiration of the NSA illegal spy program.”

    That’s so cute. Rand Paul thinks Congress has control over the apparatchiks.

    Guess he forgot about them lying through their teeth in sworn testimony about whether they were spying on us all in the first place.

    Or he forgot about the IRS destroying their hard drives, asserting that backups didn’t exist, and generally just pissing in the face of Congress and telling them that was raining.

    I wonder what it’s like to believe that “Your vote counts!” or “A government of, by, and for the people” or “The Constitution is the law of the land”.

  20. While I applaud Paul’s sudden ‘stand-taking’…. I’m concerned he’ll fail.

    and taking ostentatious stands, and failing, is not a smart thing to do in a campaign.

    I’d still vote for him regardless. But he’s making a serious gamble that i’m not sure has any great payoff among republican primary voters.

    1. In New Hampshire, though.

      New Hampshire.

      He has to win in New Hampshire, and New Hampshire Republicans aren’t the kind of Republican that think the NSA is their best friend.

      1. At a certain point, a Rand Paul that sells out his ideals to such an extent isn’t worth voting for.

        Paul is doing something that no other politician running is/would do. He’s taking a strong and decisive stand on an issue and acting before he’s ever elected. If he fails, the left will be saying the same thing they’ve been saying about him. He’s an opportunist looking to grab headlines with no substance. It doesn’t matter if their narrative makes no sense for a guy running for the GOP nomination.

        If he succeeds, his enemies will have to eat crow or shut up for a while. All but the most partisan of hacks.

        1. You also can’t do a media blackout on a guy who just killed the Patriot Act. Right now the media on both sides is just trashing him. It’s the only reason he’s getting any real media attention as opposed to just being blacklisted like his father. If he wins a battle like this, you can’t ignore him.

        2. “At a certain point, a Rand Paul that sells out his ideals to such an extent isn’t worth voting for.”

          What did I write that makes you think I want him to sell out his ideals?

          Standing up against the Patriot Act and the NSA is not selling out his ideals.

          Quite the opposite.

          I didn’t say I want him to sell out his ideals.

          Maybe you responded to the wrong comment?

          1. Yea, I meant to respond to Gilmore’s post worrying about if he loses. I like to keep it all nested.

      2. Good point.

        Still, I’m not sure how it works everywhere else. Particularly if he loses.

    2. I disagree. He MUST take this stand to justify his existence. It’s not just beneficial, it’s necessary.

      1. Exfuckigngexaxtly!

    3. “and taking ostentatious stands, and failing, is not a smart thing to do in a campaign.”

      It’s the only thing to do. To separate yourself from the politicians willing to say and do anything to hold power.

      We can’t spare this man. He fights.

  21. Join with Senator Rand Paul as he takes on the statists to defeat the Patriot Act: http://thoughtsofamascman.blog…..-wire.html

  22. Don’t worry, Obama’s got a phone and a pen. He’ll save the Patriot Act from that dastardly Rand Paul.

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  24. You pull this off, Rand, and you just might get my enthusiastic vote.

    1. Hear hear.

  25. Rand, you are the MAN! Put those Mother Fuckers in their place!

    While we’re on the subject. Is there anything we can do to force a heart attack on that FAT slob Chris Christie? He’s taking up way too much space.

    1. Bastard’s using precious oxygen that people with actual brains could put to good use.

  26. For any single issue anti-war voter, Rand Paul is the only choice at this point It is always easy to be a hawk Wait until Hillary rattles her arms, as she will have to as the daesh asshole ISIS takes more innocent lives.

    1. Not liking the image of Hilary’s arm fat flapping in the breeze. Thank you for that image. Fucker.

  27. Right on Rand, you the man. I may even change my voter registration to Repub so I can vote for him in the primary.

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