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Feminists Should Not Dismiss Carly Fiorina

The pro-woman presidential candidate may well change the conversation about women's issues in this country.

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It's been just a few days since Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett Packard CEO, declared that she is running for president. But already, she is being picked apart by progressive feminists with the standard conservative = "bad for women" argument. This is ridiculous. Fiorina is a sophisticated and intelligent woman who is crafting a fresh message that might well appeal to women voters.

That Fiorina, 60, is running as the anti-Hillary is not in doubt. Her announcement video opens with her abruptly switching off Clinton's video, as if she's had enough. Then Fiorina looks into the camera and declares: "Our founders never intended us to have a professional political class"—a line that both disses Clinton's political credentials and makes a virtue of her own lack of them. Fiorina has also been quite explicit that by picking her as the nominee, the GOP could neutralize Clinton's "war on women baloney" and focus the election on accomplishments and ideas, which aren't Clinton's strong suits.

If Fiorina, who lost the 2010 California Senate race to Barbara Boxer, were simply running as an anti-Hillary attack dog, she wouldn't be very interesting. But her candidacy is much more than that. Fiorina is using Clinton's dogmatic progressivism to set up a contrast with her positions that seem to strive for a higher left-right synthesis.

Consider abortion. I am strongly pro-choice. If Fiorina ever came within hailing distance of enacting her proposed federal ban on abortions after four months of pregnancy, I would fight it like crazy. That said, she is a moderate Christian whose proposal grows out of a faith that folks like me have to bear in mind even while resisting it. The taboo on abortion in many societies stems from a need to control female sexuality. But in America, it's also grounded in a religious "sanctity of life" ethos. Fiorina is attempting to find a middle ground that sidesteps the knottier issues concerning instances of rape and incest that continuously trip up extremist conservatives, while offering protection to fetuses that have "attained viability." This is a compromise that many women, who have growing qualms about late-term abortions, can likely live with. Even feminists cannot simply dismiss Fiorina's proposal as anti-woman religious nut-baggery. They will have to look for ways to respectfully engage and refute her without questioning her feminist credentials.

And that goes for the rest of Fiorina's agenda as well.

Most women lean feminist because they share a certain experience that the rules of the world have been written by men for men. Women's skills are diminished, styles second-guessed, and accomplishments devalued. Fiorina, a Stanford graduate who clawed her way up from secretary to CEO (before she was ignominiously, if not without cause, thrown out by the board of Hewlett Packard), is all too familiar with this reality. She understands the many burdens her gender brings and speaks about her experiences authentically.

She poignantly told a Bloomberg interviewer how she felt when she went out on her first date with the man who would become her husband. At the time, he was her colleague at AT&T, and he told her she would one day run the company. "When you're a woman growing up in a man's world, when someone takes you seriously, it's such a relief." Every woman knows exactly what she means.

But just because women share an experience and a problem doesn't mean that they agree on a solution. The X-chromosome is not coded with any particular ideology.

Breaking from the feminist orthodoxy, Fiorina, whose husband actually quit his high-powered job to stay at home and raise their children when she became CEO, is an unabashed "choice feminist" (a dirty word in progressive circles, ironically enough). She believes that expanding women's choices, "whether home schooling or running a company," is a far more pressing issue than wage inequality.

However, she doesn't altogether ignore this inequality. To address it, she departs from the usual progressive prescriptions. She has no use for laws mandating "equal pay" or paid maternity leave or contraceptive coverage that movement feminists espouse and Clinton laps up—for the obvious reason that they'll backfire by making women more expensive and hence less employable. Rather, she calls for abolishing union rules and seniority systems that disproportionately block women from moving up and embraces merit-based pay and promotion.

One would have thought such "systemic" solutions would at least get a respectful hearing from feminists. But The New Republic's Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig has already advised her fellow feminists that they are not "obligated to support right-wing women" like Fiorina whom she lumps with Sarah Palin. Stoker Bruenig snipes that Fiorina "would make a better Shark Tank swindler than president." Because Fiorina rejects the broad Democratic agenda on labor and health care, Stoker Bruenig and her ilk accuse her of not supporting a "smidgen of systematic change for the vast majority of women further down the socioeconomic ladder."

This willfully shortchanges Fiorina, who is actually shrewdly trying to reach out to large groups of women with a flexible, sensible, and inclusive feminism that movement feminism's increasing insularity leaves out. (After all, it used to call pro-life women unfeminist, then it expanded that accusation to "choice feminists," and now women who don't share the broader progressive agenda.)

Fiorina doesn't have Clinton's name recognition. Or war chest. She is barely showing up in the polls. But the freshness of her approach and her personal authenticity might well change the conversation about women's issues in this country. Feminists who try and dismiss her as anti-woman may get hoisted by their own petard.

This column originally appeared in The Week.

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  1. Even feminists cannot simply dismiss Fiorina’s proposal as anti-woman religious nut-baggery.

    No one has ever gone broke overestimating the ability of feminists to summarily dismiss a candidate based on the team color.

    1. “Women’s skills are diminished, styles second-guessed, and accomplishments devalued. ”

      Just because you say these things, and left wing colleges and media assume them, does not make these things true.

      1. Or incorrect.

      2. Who is diminishing women’s skills? People in the STEM field have a 2:1 bias in favor of women. The style second-guessing, sure, but it’s by women, right? And women’s accomplishments are trumpeted. A woman does something for the first time and it’s “Horray!” did something that men have been doing for years, you’re so smart. In fact the disproportionate praise for women who do anything is so great it’s patronising.

      3. Who is diminishing women’s skills? People in the STEM field have a 2:1 bias in favor of women. The style second-guessing, sure, but it’s by women, right? And women’s accomplishments are trumpeted. A woman does something for the first time and it’s “Horray!” did something that men have been doing for years, you’re so smart. In fact the disproportionate praise for women who do anything is so great it’s patronising.

  2. Yep, those who claim to be the “most enlightened” with respect to sex and race turn into the most vile caricature of those they oppose when someone their values say they should support simply has the “wrong” political views.

    I completely believe Clarence Thomas when he says that gentry liberals have treated him far far worse than any old racist southerner ever did.

    1. Doesn’t that kind of show that it’s not all about identity to them?

      1. You’re a fucking idiot.

        1. Your usual intelligent response I see.

          1. I usually defend you, actually, but you’ve become more obnoxious and moronic lately. You don’t merit more of a response than that.

            1. Talk about pulling legs!

      2. No, it says that identity is so important to them that they treat those who would normally be a part of that identity as pariahs.

        1. Whu?

          1. Yo mama.

      3. Doesn’t that kind of show that it’s not all about identity to them?

        Uh, yeah, that was kind of the point. That they use identity politics cynically and hypocritically to advance their ideological agenda.

        Duh.

        1. Is that the case though? Take a hypothetical person who has as single issue the advancement of black people, that is they’d like to see the gap between blacks and whites in certain areas generally close. They could hold that in general electing blacks to office furthers that goal, but that in the case where a black person holds views that they think are so injurious to the general advancement of blacks they might decide opposing that particular black candidate is called for. That’s hardly cynical or contradictory, and more so, when I talk to blacks that’s actually exactly how they explain their opposition to certain black conservatives.

          1. “they might decide opposing that particular black candidate is called for. ”
            Well of course, but the fact that they oppose those people using the very stereotypes and racist/sexist bullshit makes their commitment to that cause questionable. If they really believed that the shit they put Thomas through was OK to do to black guys, do you really believe they like black guys? Or even really tolerate them?

      4. “Doesn’t that kind of show that it’s not all about identity to them?”

        Well of course not. The Left claims it’s about identity and they use identity politics to create artificial divisions. But it’s always about the politics when you dig below the surface.

        1. I would think that’s a good thing then, in the end ideas matter most for them.

          1. Lying to perpetuate dispicable ideas does…

          2. No, it doesn’t. Who will give them the most stuff is all that matters. And, they want stuff based on their identity politics. If someone from their group tries to pull that mask off, they attack.

      5. Yes and that is entirely the point.

        It never was about identity. They don’t give a fuck about gays or women or blacks, they are using those groups as useful idiots to pull down existing institutions with the explicit goal of replacing them with ones more to their liking with the end goal being to create the New Soviet Man

        1. I would think that’s a good thing then, in the end ideas matter most for them.

        2. That might be true for some of the activists, but as I said to RC above, when I’ve talked to blacks here in SC who often talk of the importance of supporting black candidates but who oppose someone like Tim Scott they just say they want to see blacks advanced generally and so they generally vote for blacks, but they find some black candidates, like Scott, to have views which they think are so antithetical to black advancement in general they won’t support him. That makes sense without me having to suppose my neighbors are secret communist apparatchiks.

        3. Or the bigger bank account.

  3. I like Fiorina, i would vote for her
    unfortunately I just don’t see her winning the republican primary, but even if she doesn’t id want to see her on the ticket for VP

    Paul Fiorina 2016?

  4. Yes, but what does Carly think about immigrants?

    1. And more importantantly, what do millennials think of Carly?

      1. iCarly?

        1. I Robot

  5. We’re not seriously citing ESB as any sort of thought leader now, are we?

    Regardless, there’s no sense in rehabbing Fiorina as a feminist: She’s on the wrong Team, and that’s all femajahdeen need to know.

    1. You leave ESB alone!

      1. I think I can manage that. Never stick it in the crazy.

        1. Never Always stick it in the crazy.

          Live a little.

          1. just the tip

          2. At least save the crazy fucking for those actually worth fucking.

      2. Oh great, here we go again with the ESB lusting…

        1. I apologize for nothing!

          1. He wants to jizz on that dead tooth until it gleams like polished ivory.

            1. You always had an uncanny ability to read my mind, NutraSweet. Are you a wizard?

              1. I huff a lot of paint, which is like being a wizard.

                1. Well good luck with that.

                  (sucks nitrous from a whipped cream bottle)

                  Oh yeah that’s the stuff.

                  1. [ululating with paint-fumed joy]

              2. Is “wizard” still what angry adult virgins call themselves? If so, yes.

                1. Warty, please stop making Harry Potter jokes. It’s making everyone feel unsafe.

                  1. Saying Voldemort’s name triggers me. Oh shit!

                    1. Humperdinck! Humperdinck! Humperdinck!

                  2. Triggering, even. Or Triggered.

                2. You’re thinking of a word that rhymes with toe.

                    1. Are you saying that if Jesse got a taste of sweet, sweet girl-snatch, he’d be cured of his sin? Rev. Doyers’s Fuck the Gay Away Camp for Homos is gonna make so much money, dude.

                    2. 100% satisfaction of your gold star back!

                    3. Blargh, H&R’ing and driving. Or*

                    4. So many straight teenager boys are going to come out to their parents just so they can get sent away to a summer camp where they can fuck chicks while saying “I think I might feel a little straight, let’s try again”.

                    5. Those smooth supple boys are going to have to get caught in a compromising situation in order to convince their parents to shell out for RDFTGACFH, aren’t they? That’s where Jesse comes in. Our secret weapon.

                    6. What, is this the Turkish military now?

                    7. Basically, but with even more oil wrestling.

                    8. You know how I feel about oil wrestling, Mr. Hugeman.

                      I find your business proposal interesting and would like to hear more about the position you’re looking to fill.

                    9. “I learned it from watching jesse!!!”

                    10. I can still pass for a teenager,

                  1. I’ll have to consult my thesaurus.

                3. Is “wizard” still what angry adult virgins call themselves? If so, yes.

                  Back in my day, it was “paladin”.

        2. Epi’s just jealous that she tweets about me and not him.

          1. I hate you!

    2. Oh dear. You’ve missed your morning enema again, haven’t you?

    3. femajahdeen

      Beautiful! I’m stealing that, jaz?k all?hu khayran!

    4. I seem to have stumbled into a UVA frat party.

      1. Quick! Grab Jayburd’s leg!

  6. “The taboo on abortion in many societies stems from a need to control female sexuality.”

    Yes, it’s all about The Patriarchy Shikha. It has absolutely nothing to do about the taboo of plucking healthy babies out of the womb in order to kill them. Nothing whatsoever.

    1. In her mild defense, she excepted American society from that, instead saying it comes from Christianity. Still, you’re right.

      1. Yes, the taboo.against abortion in America flows from that Christian, unlibertarian belief that humans universally have a right to live.

    2. It’s either a taboo or a holocaust. You can’t have both.

      1. Damn. I have to think.

    3. I guess things like the sections of England’s Offences against the Person Act prohibiting abortion being sandwiched between the offences of Bigamy and Buggery, rather than near the offences of murder and bodily harm offences, is purely coincidence…

      1. Why do you know so much about English buggery laws?

        1. In case I might have to defend you one day?

          1. You’re Bulgarian?

    4. I’m pro abortion and even I think that statement is total Bullshit

      1. I dunno if she’s right but the bit about “control female sexuality” is certainly true. I got the impression she was not talking about any “western” societies.

        1. I think it certainly was a significant factor at least in the past in Western societies. Like I pointed to in my example, it wasn’t a coincidence that abortion prohibitions were firmly wedged among sexual offences in English and American laws. I imagine for some chunk of people opposition to abortion still finds itself related to a resentment about women having sex and ‘getting out of’ the consequence of their enjoying themselves. But of course a lot of people, I guess most, who in the West oppose abortion have a genuine concern for embryos and such, it’s at least rationally coherent, and I think one should always suppose the best, most charitable explanation for a person’s views unless shown otherwise.

          1. “I think one should always suppose the best, most charitable explanation for a person’s views unless shown otherwise.”

            Yeah. If you want to be always wrong.

          2. I think one should always suppose the best, most charitable explanation for a person’s views unless shown otherwise.

            Ha.

  7. She doesn’t pass the Sheldon sniff test.

    1. Eeeeeeew!

      /teenage girl

  8. I worked with a guy that came from HP. He didn’t have a single kind word for Carly. He said she drove the business into the ground. And yet, she’d still be a better choice that Hilarious.

  9. “Most women lean feminist.”

    Really?

    1. Do they lean in feminist?

      1. They lean forward feminist.

  10. “”Most women lean feminist””

    No they don’t

    less than 40%. and that’s well up from 7 years ago, when it was under 30%.

    Neither here nor there.

    Is this a repost? i seem to recall something from Shikha about CF earlier in the week. Deja Vu.

    The entire point about CF which Shikha seems to ignore is that she’s actually running for the *Vice* Presidency. which makes her entire approach different than if she were actually trying to get the GOP nomination. More flexibility, and can be more directly ‘attacking’ Hillary.

    1. It’s more accurate to say that while a minority of men and women identify with the label ‘feminist’ the majority of both indicate agreement with the definition of feminism. That’s a fascinating dynamic, pointing, I think, to the strenuous efforts of extreme feminists and anti-feminists respectively.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..94917.html

      1. while a minority of men and women identify with the label ‘feminist’ Nazi the majority of both indicate agreement with the definition of feminism Nazi

        1. Whatever.

          1. The point is that your sentence was really devoid of anything meaningful. Just a word salad.

            1. If you go through life assuming something you don’t get must be word salad I hope you have lots of dressing and an appetite on hand.

              1. Or maybe he can actually parsley English talk into logical semaphores, wheras you seem to be saying you go through life blind to the touch, “understandi?g” speech by gut, without having to bother with that pesky monkey brain. Not implying this is true, but it would seem to be the inevitable conclusion from this instance of you talking total nonsense, somebody mistaking it for meaningful human speech, getting stuck on a solipsism, saying so, and you coming back with even more deviation into “Gna! Gna, gna!” But don’t listen to me. I don’t know what I’m talking about!

                1. Nonsense huh? It’s the same as saying that while few people identify with the label ‘libertarian’ many people agree with the tenets of libertarianism. I’ve actually heard that very line more than once somewhere, now where was that???

                  1. Define the tenets of ‘feminisim’. Thank you.

      2. So basically most people are egalitarians?

        1. I’m betting that they mean ‘equal in opportunity.’ Or hoping…

      3. It’s more accurate to say that while a minority of men and women identify with the label ‘feminist’ libertarian the majority of both indicate agreement with the definition of feminism. libertarianism. That’s a fascinating dynamic, pointing, I think, to the strenuous efforts of extreme feminists and anti-feminists respectively. social conservatives Ron and Rand Paul.

        /Hihn

    2. Just a glitch in the Matrix, I’m sure.

  11. Fiorina doesn’t have Clinton’s name recognition. Or war chest.

    I think she’s got a better chest than Clinton.

    1. Rupert Murdoch has a better chest than Hillarity.

  12. “Most women lean feminist”

    HAHAHAHA!

    Is there even a working definition for feminist anymore? Are they the strong independent women who are just as good as and don’t need men or are they the delicate snowflakes Who need government protections from microaggressions?

    Please. Feminism has turned itself into a joke to be laughed at.

    1. It’s interesting how feminism, unlike, say, conservatism, gets itself defined so much by it’s loonier fringe elements.

      1. It’s because it is a useless philosophy. Women in America are free. Show me the law that limits women’s rights other than the right to be drafted into war to be meat for the grinder. Or are women signing up for selective service now?

        1. As I understand it, feminists don’t just stop at the legal equality of the sexes but are interested in what they see as economic, political and cultural equality, and in those areas there’s still some pretty significant gaps between men and women.

          1. Seeing themselves as part of a collective is in my opinion, is dumb. If you want to make more money or have more prestige, that is a personal goal, and should be strived for independent of what other people are doing. I would ignore them if they weren’t pushing for laws that require employers to pay them what they demand versus what they could earn in an open market.

            1. Well, if there are a lot of people with stereotypes about women in general that could negatively impact any given woman trying to do what you’re describing then I can see any individual woman being concerned about that, and I don’t think they’ve necessarily ‘collectivized’ themselves, rather they realize that others out there are collectivizing.

              My issue with what you’re talking about is actually practically the same. It’s troubling that so many vocal feminists try to address the very real and justifiably concerning gaps between men and women by proposing government get involved. That’s like combating an invasive species problem by shipping in another, more adaptable one….

          2. in those areas there’s still some pretty significant gaps between men and women

            Bullshit. This has been disproven so many times that only you would try to slip that shit past us.

            1. No gaps between men and women? Interesting. How many women Presidents have we had? Women senators? The average woman makes how much compared to the average man (before you hyperventilate and start talking about studies and discrimination realize that that’s irrelevant as to whether a gap exists there on average, we’re not talking at that point about whether the gap is just or not, just that one exists).

              1. “…we’re not talking at that point about whether the gap is just or not, just that one exists.”

                So you want to remove causality from discussions of a pay gap?

                1. Because feminists are not only concerned about outright discrimination or policy that might cause such a gap, they can also be concerned about things like cultural biases that ‘push’ women into less renumerative fields and such.

                  1. By “cultural biases” I’m assuming you mean “the reason why there aren’t more women in STEM is because they got a My Little Pony when they were six years old?”

                  2. In other words, you’re interested in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

              2. yeah, we have not had women presidents, senators, or making as much money as guys only because of partiarchy!

                Seriously, this sort of stupid can’t be argued with. We have not had a woman president, but we have a totally unqualified woman that thinks because she is a woman and we have not had a woman president, she should get the job. The fact she is the head of a crime family be damned.

                Wiki can tell you about senators.

                Women make certain choices in life. Those choices can and do impact pay. From taking time off or having other priorities to not fighting for more money all impact what you earn. I have known aggressive, hard working women that have made comparable if not more money than men in their fields. The sad thing is that in a moment of candor all three of them told (not all at once) me they wished they had done things differently, because they missed out on other things they now realized they felt was more important to them, so they could make more money. Every one of these women was not liked (I assumed envy played a part there) by the other women they worked with though because they did what they did.

                The problem isn’t that the system is unfair but that the system doesn’t let these children of the “Everybody gets a trophy for participating” get their cake and eat it too.

                1. What’s wrong w a trophy for participating? It’s a nice souvenir. We do it in the Warrior Football Club.

          3. Cultural equality? You mean as in society is basically set up for women to do well, and men to be put into a meat grinder of competition?

            Are you saying they aren’t culturally equal? Economically equal? Of course they’re economically equal. They make less as a group only because a lot of them, the most attractive ones, and often the most intelligent ones, rely heavily on a man in her life to support her. So, she makes less. Political? Men are hated politically. Women get a free pass.

        2. All philosophies that don’t advocate changes to the law are useless!

          1. TITS OR GTFO

            1. Excellent point, Warty. The #freethenipple campaign is a perfect example of a legitimate feminist fight against unfair laws.

              1. Free range nipples are delicious.

              2. Nicole can’t even show her tits without a hashtag. I’d call you the worst again, but what’s the point?

            2. Here’s a nice pair of tits for you, Warty.

            3. This is why I only read Reason for the articles.

              1. Stop pretending you can read.

                1. HE’S ONTO US BEEP BOOP BEEP

              2. I hope Postrel doesn’t see this.

                1. UGH OMG WHY DO I READ THE COMMENTS LOL UGH

          2. It’s the claim that life is unfair and should be made to be fair. Fine, who is going to make it fair? Why the government seems to always be the answer to that question. Women’s lib had a legitimate claim when women were denied their rights. What rights are women being denied today?

            1. “Why the government seems to always be the answer to that question.”

              Yes, you can trace almost any current inequity between men and women to some past governmental action, so it’s especially daft to think its the solution.

              1. I agree. Not being able to own property or get a proper education was a real handicap. Same for African Americans. But the solution is a freer market. One where people can jump from poverty to wealthy in a single lifetime.

                1. Right. In a market free of the coercive sexist laws that littered our history employers and consumers would engage in sexism to their detriment and it would be disincentivized.

                  1. Right. In a market free of the coercive sexist laws that littered our history employers and consumers would engage in sexism to their detriment and it would be disincentivized.

                    Agreed. Finding talented hardworking people is hard enough without cutting your applicant pool in half.

                    1. Look at how countries that systematically exclude women from the workforce, like many Muslim nations, are such economic dumps.

            2. It’s the claim that life is unfair and should be made to be fair.

              Hmmmmweird I thought it was the claim that women are morally equal to men.

              1. Hmmmmweird I thought it was the claim that women are morally equal to men.

                So how is this unique to women. All humans are morally equal. What does being female or male have to do with that?

                1. What does being female or male have to do with that?

                  I don’t know, maybe you should ask the people who did things like passing laws that made sure women were more oppressed than men for most of history. Or do you think those people have all disappeared?

                  1. I don’t know, maybe you should ask the people who did things like passing laws that made sure women were more oppressed than men for most of history. Or do you think those people have all disappeared?

                    Maybe it’s my age or where I live, but I honestly don’t know anyone who thinks women should have different (less) rights, unless you mean abortion, which I don’t really want to start a thread on right now.

            3. Wait are we talking about the egalitarianism of 1st wave feminism or the perpetual neo-marxist “class” struggle against the patriarchy of 2nd wave feminism here?

              I suspect that if you asked 100 women whether they believe men and women should have absolute equality before the law most if not all of them would say yes, which would make them “feminists” but if you asked them if they believed that the patriarchy must be overthrown to cease the oppression of women they’ll be less enthusiastic about “feminism”.

              1. Like I said, through the efforts of some feminists and most anti-feminists ‘feminism’ has become almost always associated with the second movement you’re talking about.

              2. I get irritated with number 2. Believing men and women are equal and should have equal rights is just being a normal human being.

                1. But those things are both feminism, and while 1 is normal in our time and place, that normalcy is relatively new and certainly not yet global.

                  First wave feminism is still a salient cluster of ideas and will be for the forseeable future even if many people see “feminism” now as radfems and sociology of gender types.

                  1. Then this is my mistake. When I hear feminist, I think “glass ceiling” “equal pay, for equal work!” Blah, blah.

                    1. I don’t think the mistake is on your part. Feminists of a wacky, statist bent have been so vocal they’ve successfully established that image of the entire movement.

        3. Oh come on FM. Freedom means being moar free than others.

          1. I made the claim to ENB that all libertarians are de facto feminist. I have never met a libertarian that thought women should have a different set of responsibilties and rights then men. If you think the playing field needs to be leveled, so women can catch up, you aren’t a libertarian or a feminist.

            1. At the very least, no libertarian would support a state coercive measure that would deny women the right to pursue their happiness. It’s those that have put women in whatever disadvantage they’ve experienced in recent history.

              1. That’s really all that matters, no state action. people should be free to hate anyone they want as long as they don’t harm them. If you want to have a business with no female employees, that’s your prerogative. I think it is dumb to shrink your talent pool.

                1. They’d be free to, but if women are in fact equal workers (or better put if gender is irrelevant to who can best bring value to the organization), then they’ll be penalized for indulging in their beliefs. That’s the beauty of free markets. Why more self identified feminists can’t see that is of course troubling.

        4. It’s useless and bull-crap if not downright evil, predicated on the assertion that women are possessed of certain rights (or, deserving of special benefits, depending upon the orientation) by virtue of being women and not because they’s human beings. And at this point I see that it’s more about the name than about the philosophy, as each person attached to calling himself “feminist” clings assiduously to that label, redefining it as needed to keep it tenable. It’s being “a feminist” that matters, not adhering to any particular philosophy.

      2. Well if you’re not cis-gendered, that’s your problem.

  13. Also = “Cojones?”

    I just don’t even what.

    1. Huevos.

  14. I believe it should be written as Feminist-Cojones

    1. Ugh.

      I mean, defining women’s “strengths” ….in male terms? Not okay.

      1. I was just rifing on her addiction to putting the hyphen in hypenated-americans.

        1. I was not hip to your jive

          I am now picking up what you were putting down

  15. But how does iCarly compare to Sarah Palin, Shikha?

    1. Just the same as Adam Lanza?

  16. I’m already exhausted by identity politics and we haven’t even started the primary elections.

    1. Sure, but there is nothing new in identity politics in our elections. It used to be that people lined up with or against identities like Southern or Yankee, or Catholic or Protestant, and of course class identities (Andrew Jackson, Common Man just like me!!!). Now other identities that were through most of our past unthinkable as significant in elections have come into play. That’s actually a bit of progress imo.

  17. Florida Man just made the list

    1. Haha, still pathetic.

    2. What’s all this? I’m on another list?

      1. You can earn your way off of it. Slowly.

        1. …Is this where I cue up some porn groove? Or am I misreading this conversation?

          1. Too late, I’m already naked!

              1. There’s no six-pack version?

      2. The sexual/drug/illegal immigrant/no-fly list.

  18. Are you all who are engaging it enjoying yourselves?

    1. It really kills you, doesn’t it? What a sad person you must be.

      1. No it really doesn’t kill him. But don’t let that stop you from deluding yourself.

    2. Here you go Warty, have some Meg Turney. She is a doll. It will take your mind off of ESB.

      http://fanpix.famousfix.com/ga…..ctures.htm

      1. Oh hello there. Too bad about the stupid wrist tattoo.

        1. Yeah, but I could somehow find a way to deal with that I think.

      2. Along those lines, I was watching a show called “Engineering Disasters” with my oldest the other day. They featured a flight from Vegas that lost hydraulics. The passenger interviewed: S. E. Cupp. I’m glad she’s OK.

        1. She is another doll baby.

          1. She was very matter of fact. The plane had to burn off some fuel to make max emergency landing weight, and they do it at low altitude to burn the fuel more quickly, which means a lot more turbulence. The way she described everyone vomiting, it was almost a nice story. Almost.

    3. ARE YOU ENJOYING YOUR FAMILY? LOL BURN

      1. HOW MUCH U BENCH

      2. It’s cute, you’ve moved your sad comedy routine down thread, and now with a target! I can’t tell what’s more sad, grown men with wives and children sitting all day on a political thread being silly with each other in a way that makes one think they have few outlets for such in the non-virtual world, or the sad anger just at the idea that someone might regularly not play along. I guess when you put so much stock in a ‘virtual community’ it has to be absolutely pure and perfect.

        1. Damn! And all this time I thought Bo had the problem. Turns out it was us.

          1. Bo sounds like the smart fat kid in high school that no one liked, and who was a douche even to the people that tried to like him.

  19. Carly Fiorina is an idiot who doesn’t deserve half of her net worth. I’m happy she cannot procreate. Dismissed.

    1. Dismissed? What, like, she’s dismissed from running for president? We’re dismissed from talking about her?

      1. I’m more curious of its use of “deserve” here.

        1. Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.

          1. If you’re gonna decorate your salloon with my friend you oughta arm yourself.

  20. Are you all who are engaging it enjoying yourselves?

    Come, you know you want to hug the stupid out of it.

      1. Warty-hug, Pl?ya, Warty-hug.

    1. Just…squeeeeeeze…

    2. Hug? Like, on the neck?

    3. you want to hug the stupid out of it.

      No one is that strong.

  21. For some reason, when people say, “I want to raise up the Negro Woman. just not that type of Negro Woman,” I become suspicious of their sincerity and motives.

  22. However often this fact is obscured, movement feminism is about systematic gains for women?that is, using politics to change structures that make women less free than men. This could mean a variety of things: legally requiring paid maternity leave so that when women have children they don’t stumble into poverty; enacting laws that prevent employers from discriminating against pregnant workers; or creating robust welfare programs that will lift women, who are disproportionately poor, out of poverty. In each of these cases, politically actionable tweaks to systems?either labor law or social insurance?would represent massive gains for women qua women, in materially quantifiable ways. This is largely the work of movement feminism. -E S Brunig

    “Feminisim is, and can only be, a collectivist pursuit.
    Gotcha.

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  24. Just the fact that she had a real job makes her a better candidate than the “Shill”-oops, I mean Hillary!

    1. Would do. Anal. Blindfolded (me).

  25. Everyone should dismiss Fiorina, not just feminists.

    They should also dismiss Clinton.

    And Bush.

    And Christie.

    1. Can’t really dismiss Christie until fe’s flensed and rendered.

      1. *he’s

  26. What exactly would she do different than Clinton? They are both opportunists and liars. I don’t see any difference.

    1. Fiorona’s thinner. All cats are black in the dark.

  27. I’ll ask 1 more time: Couldn’t you reuse the comment thread when an article linked from HyR for comment is later reproduced in HyR? Do we have to start the comments all over?

  28. Yes, I think it is very possible.

  29. Heartbeat starts as early as 6 weeks. If a heartbeat doesn’t equal life what does?

    1. George W. Bush doesn’t.

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  32. Well, I’m not a feminist, and I’ll dismiss her because of her track record of appalling incompetence at HP and Lucent.

    -jcr

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