County Will Pay $1 Million to Parents of Toddler Burned in Drug Raid
Given the recklessness of the assault that injured Baby Bou Bou, the amount seems low.

Habersham County, Georgia, will pay nearly $1 million to settle a lawsuit by the parents of Bounkham "Bou Bou" Phonesavanh, the toddler who was gravely injured in a botched drug raid last May. The Northeast Georgian reports that Alecia and Bounkham Phonesavanh will receive $964,000 in compensation for the early-morning raid, during which Bou Bou was burned and mutilated by a flashbang grenade tossed into the portable playpen in which he was sleeping. The county also will pay $23,000 to Bounkham Phonesavanh's sister, who owns the house in Cornelia where the couple were staying with Bou Bou and his three sisters after a fire destroyed their home in Wisconsin.
The SWAT team that raided the house in Cornelia, based on a $50 meth purchase by a police informant, found no drugs or weapons. They were looking for the Phonesavanhs' nephew, Wanis Thonetheva, an alleged meth dealer who no longer lived there. Police arrested Thonetheva later that day at a different location without incident, despite the fear of armed resistance that supposedly justified the paramilitary assault that sent Bou Bou to the hospital. Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell, whose officers participated in the raid along with cops from Cornelia, initially promised to pay the Phonesavanhs' medical expenses, which reportedly total more than $1 million, but the Habersham County Board of Commissioners reneged on that commitment.
Yesterday Andrea Harper, the board's chairwoman, sought to paper over that decision. "The events of May 28, 2014, were undoubtedly tragic, affecting the lives of many people in our community," she said. "Over the last few months the board of county commissioners has sought a way to bring some measure of closure to this matter while doing what is right, both for the Phonesavanh family and the law enforcement officers involved." Harper said the settlement includes "protection of our officers and our county," which presumably means none of the cops can be held personally liable for damages. Instead taxpayers, as usual, will pick up the tab for police violence.
A Habersham County grand jury concluded that nothing police did before or during the raid amounted to a crime but faulted them for a "hurried" and "sloppy" investigation that needlessly put lives at risk. Although Terrell said police never would have used a flashbang if they had realized children were present in the home, even the most cursory surveillance would have revealed that fact. "The zeal to hold [drug dealers] accountable must not override cautious and patient judgment," the grand jury said. "This tragedy can be attributed to well intentioned people getting in too big a hurry, and not slowing down and taking enough time to consider the possible consequences of their actions….While no person surely intended any harm to a young child, quite simply put there should be no such thing as an 'emergency' in drug investigations….The hard work and effort brought to apprehend suspects and seize evidence must always be tempered by the realization that no amount of drugs is worth a member of the public being harmed, even if unintentionally, or a law enforcement officer being harmed."
The Phonesavanhs filed their lawsuit in February. The swiftness of the settlement is not surprising given the facts of the case, which combine police recklessness with a highly sympathetic victim. But given the magnitude of the expenses associated with Bou Bou's ongoing medical treatment, the amount seems low, especially since it is not hard to imagine a multimillion-dollar award by a jury. Perhaps the Phonesavanhs worried that the government would try to blame them for their son's injuries by arguing that they knowingly put him in a dangerous environment. The grand jury report said "there is evidence that [the Phonesavanhs] were aware of criminal activity and drug sales on the part of persons at the residence, and specifically Wanis Thonetheva."
Even if that's true, it is hard to argue that Bou Bou's parents therefore should have foreseen that a grenade might one day explode in their son's face, let alone that the horrifying attack would be carried out by armed agents of the state in the name of protecting public safety. After the raid, Terrell tried to blame Thonetheva for his little cousin's injuries. But it was the police, not Thonetheva, who introduced violence into this situation, based on a morally obscene calculus that sacrifices innocents like Bou Bou to stop people from getting high in unsanctioned ways.
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WEll, apparently, the VA can report me and make it so I can't buy any more guns...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/04.....aken-away/
That's a kick in the short and curlies, that's for sure...
I, and I hope every veteran that can, should avoid the VA in all instances and for all puroposes.
Well, I go to another doctor for most things... but you can't beat free blood-pressure meds....
Goddamit I EARNED 'EM!!!
Hmmmm. Maybe less Crisco?
I slather everything I cook in lard. So delicious and fortunately has zero relation to cholesterol levels 🙂
But, big pharma and the allopathic jihadis continue to say otherwise.....hmmm. But, of course, what they say about other matters......
Hey look, crazy decided to show.
Yeah yeah mike, vaccines are "magic elixirs" which is why polio and smallpox continue to kill or cripple millions every year. Oh wait, nope.
Do you deny that those that peddle Lipitor and the like for cholesterol push garbage?
But, ah, you know better, because you are so smart.
Do you deny that vaccines eradicated polio and smallpox?
I note that you did not answer my question, junior Socrates. But, I will answer your question with another question.
Are you assuming that polio has been eradicated?
I didn't answer a question that had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted? Well, hole-y shit.
Millions infected annually vs. 291 in 2012. Yeah, it has effectively been eliminated. But I know that you are both nuts and mendacious, and as such you'll try pursuing some spiraling self-licking ice cream cone of fucktardery acting like you've made a point because type 1 polio still exists, soooo:
What about smallpox?
One, ph2050 made the point about cooking in lard having nothing to do with cholesterol.
Two, I responded by making the point that mainstream medical doctors frowned upon cooking with lard or oils and pushed Lipitor as the remedy for cholesterol.
Three, you initiated your post with, "Hey look, crazy decided to show." Thus, you begin with an adhominem.
My assumption, although it could be wrong, was that you referred to me as crazy on account of my criticism of big pharma and the point I made about cholesterol. Thus, my question regarding Lipitor.
Should one assume that you agree that Lipitor and the like have been a disaster?
Eradicated is eradicated. Do you have a problem with precision?
At any rate, polio has not been eradicated; furthermore, there have been many problems associated with, and sometimes proximately caused by, the administration of various polio vaccines. Perhaps you should expand your reading:
Dr. Suzanne Humphries, author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines and the Forgotten History.
One of the problems with the polio vaccine was, yes, politics. Those scientists who did not go along with the program were fired in the 1940s and early 1950s. According to Dr. Humphries:
"The story behind polio is absolutely fascinating when you look at the politics that went on researching the vaccine, and how scientists were fired if they disagreed with the program going on through the National Foundation of Infantile Paralysis in the late 1940s and early 1950s."
Dr. Humphries writes that when the polio vaccine was first developed, Swedish scientists warned American scientists that there was a problem in that formaldehyde inactivation was not going to work as planned.
The warnings of the Swedish scientists were ignored. Although they were right, their advice fell on dear ears. Live polio virus was place in an injectable vaccine. Although it would appear to be inactivated right after it was made, lo and behold, it would sometimes resurrect in the vial.
The formaldehyde did not kill all of the polio viruses in the vaccine which lead to live polio viruses being injected. Result? In 1955, two years after the magic elixir had been presented to the world, more people developed paralysis from the vaccine than would have developed it from a wild, natural polio virus.
Hmmmm. Maybe less Crisco?
But still Full Monty? *rimshot*
How much of your high blood pressure is from dealing with the VA, though?
THIS ^ is a very good point... especially now that I know they can put me on a "no gun buy" list at their whim...
Nicely done.
Unless it is earned in a free and voluntary exchange, it is not earned.
Man, you're a dick....
He has a deep and abiding rage when it comes to anyone in any sort of uniform. Every soldier a war criminal, a bad person, a thief, etc.
He is the angriest person on this board. 8% more so than Shriek.
Why do you think Shriek is angry? Do you think the same of Tony? Bo?
Why do you think that I am? Just because I tell it like it is with parasites and any decent libertarian understands that if you are a decent person you do not feed at the public trough and play the parasite.
As for uniforms, do you read posts where I say the same thing about ballplayers?
Maybe you have not noticed, but I am far less likely to engage in adolescent, emotional, and puerile conversation than most here. Sure, you can find some posts where I have employed four letter words, but, I am far more kinder and gentler than most people here.
You tell 'em! Because convincing people on a message board of how (insert any adjective here) you are is super important!
Goddamnit you dense motherfucker, not every libertarian is an anarchist. Can you understand that, or has the polio gotten to your unvaccinated brain?
The cornerstone of libertarianism is the NAP, whether you agree or not. However, there are many who call themselves libertarian who, nonetheless, get upset when other libertarians point out that military folks are no better than the cops being pilloried on threads like this one.
It is just cognitive dissonance on display to claim, on the one hand, to be a libertarian, and yet, on the other hand, to get angry when others point out that waving flags and thinking soldier boys are good for liberty is not a particularly wholesome proposition.
Can you dig it?
Believing the state to be a necessary evil is not cognitive dissonance. Nor is it "unlibertarian" to take part in it per se.
Yes, it is.
Not a lot of flag waving goes on here. The way that military folks are much better than the police is that they actually have to follow the rules. If they violate them they get punished and jailed. A cop shoots someone in the back and gets a paid vacation. A soldier has less ability to use deadly force in a war zone than the police do in our communities. The police can kill you if they feel threatened. In some cases a soldier can't pull the trigger unless they have been fired upon first. When the military behaves badly the people here berate them. We can also separate out the difference between individual soldiers and their actions and the politicians that give them orders.
Can you keep digging that hole deeper?
Nobody forced any military person to go to Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen or Ukraine or any other place in the world. Likewise, nobody forced them to aggress on folks in foreign lands, including killing them.
Moreover, the person who does not feed at the public trough is morally superior to the person who does. Period. Stop.
Hahaha. Always awesome when someone has to say "Period. Stop." I can actually hear how angry and adamant you are. As if you saying those words in that way makes your opinion TWICE AS POWERFUL.
Emotion based post. You are imagining things not in evidence and engaging in rank speculation.
But, can you ratiocinate? Not too well, it would appear.
Do you like military scum who now flock for "work" to the police departments?
You use the term "military scum" and accuse me of being emotional? You're silly 🙂
Furthermore, a high and growing percentage of today's police forces are manned by whom? Yep, former soldiers.
Shit, my bad. I forgot I was responding to a troll who doesn't argue in good faith or even intelligently. It won't happen again.
A troll? Mike the only one actually making arguments meanwhile every single one of your replies doesn't address the argument, choosing instead to make personal attacks. Making a fucking argument.
Thank you.
If you have anything PTSD related in your medical record, they will ask if you own firearms. I always say no.
I always lied about my cannabis use (they list it as "marijuana abuse" in my record lol) but now I get hit with UAs every now and then, so much for that.
I already declined the PTSD compensation, as I didn't have any from Iraq or Afpak, just from my ex-girlfriend....
Thank god the soldiers are fighting for "our freedoms" like that!
And again, Shreek-junior, fuck off...
Hit a nerve? Military scum.
Taxpayers and Employers of Drug Warriors Who Burned a Toddler Will Give $1 Million to His Parents
FIFY
Ah, beaten to it!
The settlement is less than the medical bills. Did the county pick them up separately, or are the parents still on the hook for the difference?
They're on the hook for the difference, of course.
I have a strong feeling the settlement's a result of the city threatening to appeal any verdict and drag it out for years by whatever machinations they could.
I have a strong feeling the settlement's a result of the city threatening to appeal any verdict and drag it out for years by whatever machinations they could.
I'm positive that that's exactly what happened.
"Take this settlement or we will appeal this until you die of old age."
Where is the insanely rich libertarian that is going to stand behind the Phonesavanhs saying that he will finance their living expenses and the lawyer that is doing the legal work pro bono? That would take the leverage out of that position. $1M ain't shit in this case.
WHERE IS BRUCE WAYNE/ TONY STARK?!?!?!?!
Tony Stark is too busy cozying up to the Pentagon.
Yeah, Tony Stark is pretty much the opposite of a libertarian
Did not Tony work with some guys in the military? Cooperate with them? If so, "libertarian" is not the word that would come to mind.
Film verse version started out that way, then had a Moment and said, fuck that noise.
Of course, this change did not involve also being so committed to retarded non-aggression as to ignore the aggressions of another as Not My Problem (*cough*Reason Editors*cough*)
"In the settlement, the Phonesavanh family agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the Habersham County defendants and their insurer of any further claims arising out of any state or federal statute relating to medical care payments."
http://accesswdun.com/article/.....u-bou-case
No, you pathetic shitstain, if you were going to do what is right, you would've fired the officers involved, paid every cent of this child's current and future medical bills, resigned in shame, and then fought to change these asinine laws. Go fuck yourself.
You expect a great deal from our public sector heroes.
You left out the part where the pigs would be faced with criminal charges and be treated no different than anyone who assaults a child. If a garbage man lit your child on fire, would you call it justice when he gets fired from his job and his employer pays the medical bills? Fuck no, you'd want nothing less than for him to have a lengthy stay in a government rape cage.
I was trying to be realistic. My actual wish would be for the cops to be thrown into Gitmo like the terrorists they are.
You exude mercy. My actual wish would require a trip to a museum of medieval torture devices.
"And here we find the Brazen Bull....hey, I think someone is in it?!"
Not before the Pear of Anguish makes an appearance. The Brazen Bull is a good way to finish out the day though.
Maybe the Pothugs could throw a flashbang grenade in Andrea's bed while she's sleeping, and see what sort of tune she sings about "holding harmless" and not charging individual cops with crimes, after she loses her job and has to do a year of plastic surgeries and physical therapies to get her face back where she can open her cop-sucking mouth again.
What's the latest on the kid's health, by the way?
I didn't find anything.
Anyone else?
I'm scrolling through the comments in the hopes of finding something. If the pic on the left is any indication, it looks like most of his face healed nicely, but I dunno if that's before or after and it's hiding his eyes.
Usually I'm fairly good at locating information but the most recent thing I found was something from July 2014.
If I find anything I'll post it here or even do an "OT" post in one of tomorrow's threads.
- and thanks.
$20 million and a sack filled with the heads of each and every person in the police chain of command would have been fair. $1 million is a slap in the face.
Fairness would require your list should include the judge who signed the warrant, though I really don't subscribe to capital punishment. I think that Guantanamo should be re-purposed for such offenders, who really are terrorists.
I hope they didn't sign anything yet. $1 million isn't shit.
"County" not cops. And certainly not the cretinous baboon who actually launched/threw the thing through the window. But they promise to do better next time.
If a grand jury can still spew out the nonsense that nothing criminal happened, after they mutilate a child, and then not even award enough of a settlement to cover medical expenses...
The grand jury report said "there is evidence that [the Phonesavanhs] were aware of criminal activity and drug sales on the part of persons at the residence, and specifically Wanis Thonetheva."
Oh, I see. So after saying "The hard work and effort brought to apprehend suspects and seize evidence must always be tempered by the realization that no amount of drugs is worth a member of the public being harmed, even if unintentionally, or a law enforcement officer being harmed", it's still the parent's fault for not foreseeing that the armed goons of the state would smash their way into their home because there might be a guy there that sells small amounts of drugs to willing buyers.
We don't have a "justice" system or even a legal system. We have a mill that grinds up people for the state.
Eggs:Omelletes::Bou Bou:?
Bacon?
Sizzlean?
Ah, I see. Well, that certainly makes it all right to nearly kill and permanently scar a toddler. I stand corrected. Fucktards.
"The events of May 28, 2014, were undoubtedly tragic, affecting the lives of many people in our community,"
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Those poor, poor policemen; how they have been made to suffer.
Also in today's nut punches, the police officer in Detroit who murdered a 7 year old girl returns to duty today. http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....ns-to-duty
How sad is it that fuckin' Kos is where you have to source this shit? It should be met with screams of outrage from MSNBC to Fox. Hell, throw the BBC, CCTV, and Al-Jazeera on the list of people who should be roasting these bastards.
the grand jury said ... "there should be no such thing as an 'emergency' in drug investigations"
I'm sure the drug warriors would beg to differ.
Million Dollar Baby?
Tasteless. I lol'ed.
ZING
Yow!
So. Much. Anger.
I'm waiting for someone to just straight-up become the Punisher, only with a different target.
The firewall at work is down today, and this gets to be the first thing I see? Fuck you guys (you guys = armed & dangerous cops).
Yeah the amount is low, but shelling out taxpayers money does exactly bupkis in curtailing jack-booted thugs from stomping on people.
What's needed isn't a large payday (though I agree they're more than entitled). The members of that SWAT team and their superiors need to be convicted on felony charges and serve years in a pound-em-in-the-ass federal prison.
Qualified immunity is never going anywhere. If you cause them to think about what they're doing, that make make them hesitate, which will PUT THEIR LIVES IN DANGER!!1!1ELVENTY!!1ZOMG
JJ is right. They will do anything and fight tooth and nail to retain their qualified immunity. I can't think of anything they'd fight harder for. I swear, they'd fight harder to retain qualified immunity than to keep their guns if we decided to go UK-style and not have most officers carry guns.
Qualified immunity is the true power. It's the ability to do horrible, illegal things and face zero or nearly zero consequences for it. It's the jewel in their crown of power. And they know it.
Never say never.
Everyone hiding behind qualified immunity is an outlaw insofar as natural law is concerned. If you wear a uniform that bestows qualified immunity, you are an enemy combatant of the people and you get what's coming to you. The occasional cop getting shot is the cost of doing business when your business is an extortion racket of epic proportion.
+1 googolplex
What's needed isn't a large payday (though I agree they're more than entitled). The members of that SWAT team and their superiors need to be convicted on felony charges and serve years in a pound-em-in-the-ass federal prison.
I would prefer prison time.
I would settle for a 1:1 department to compensation payday.
The department can choose whether to cut pensions and payroll or liquidate assets like weapons, munitions, vehicles, and armor.
If you had to think that the flashbang you're about toss into a quiet and peaceful house might literally cost you your riot gear and gun the next time all hell breaks loose, I'd like to think you'd give it a second thought.
Why are flashbangs being used at all? Especially when you're not even dealing with some type of standoff or emergency? Fucking coward ass wannabe warriors, they love wearing that high speed gear though, like that tool that smashed that lady's phone in the other post. Pussies.
Really, really being into "tactical" or "tacti-cool" is a warning sign to me--both with cops and non-cops--that somebody really wants to play warrior with a side of power.
Geardos.
Gear queers
This is exactly it. Flashbangs and battering rams are FUN!!! And they're great for making omelets. /sarc
Doing right by the officer's should mean no less than serious prison time, if not just shooting them in the street. I dare say that none of the drug dealers these cops have been chasing have ever gone so far as to incinerate a baby. Yet those drug dealers face serious prison time while the cops simply don't.
Fuck damages. If a guy broke into your house and lit your child on fire, would that be a situation where mere civil damages are sought or would justice necessarily require criminal charges? But I guess if the assailant is wearing the right costume, it becomes a civil matter. Statist Justice in action.
$1M in medical bills?! WTF?! Did they have to perform some of the procedures in space? OTC painkillers cost $400 a pill when administered by "professionals"? The surgeons who operated won't work for less than $80,000 an hour? Were bionics involved? The hospital where the operations were done required 18 attorneys to be present at all times, just in case? FUCK FUCK FUCK!
It is almost like "universal insurance" has wildly increased actual costs. Who would have guessed?
This is a good nut punch to counteract the caress from that other article where the LEO is actually being charged like one of us plebes.
Although Terrell said police never would have used a flashbang if they had realized children were present in the home
The amazing thing is the officers flat-out ADMIT to incompetence/negligence and STILL nothing happens to them.
The beauty of qualified immunity! They can't get nailed for incompetence, only malice. So they just admit incompetence, and they're set.
Lie
That realization if applied consistently, precludes the whole damn drug war and every prohibitionist policy in existence, which all yield a death penalty for those who disobey.
They ought to pay a price for their persistent violation of human dignity and individual sovereignty. If a few of them don't make it home to beat their family, society is all the better for it and it may be the only justice that generations of drug warriors will ever see.
"[...]Harper said the settlement includes "protection of our officers and our county," which presumably means none of the cops can be held personally liable for damages.[...]"
Until this changes, there will be no change in the cops' behavior. There is simply no incentive for the cops to act differently, and the 'tough-guy' thrill is an incentive to continue.
County (read tax payers) Will Pay $1 Million to Parents of Toddler Burned in Drug Raid.
This money should come out of the officers' salaries not the county budget.
This money should come out of the officers' salaries not the county budget.
IDK, while the warriors are guilty, they didn't buy the flashbangs out of pocket.
But, as policies don't seem to have changed and officers are all back on duty (or never left), the point is moot.
The county will pass the cost to it's insurers, and rearrange the budget for next year; cutting reading programs at the public library so the SWAT team won't be one flashbang short next time.
Drug Warrior slogan: "Burn Baby, Burn!".
"The officers acted appropriately", resulting in a mutilated child and a million dollar settlement.
Moral bankruptcy precedes the financial kind.
The hard work and effort brought to apprehend suspects and seize evidence must always be tempered by the realization that no amount of drugs is worth a member of the public being harmed, even if unintentionally,
Can we appoint the author of this to the Supreme Court?
Habersham County, Georgia, will pay nearly $1 million
Having some personal experience in the long-term injury/care department, $1 million probably won't begin to cover everything this person is going to be dealing with into adulthood.
. The swiftness of the settlement is not surprising given the facts of the case, which combine police recklessness with a highly sympathetic victim.
The switfness of the settlement is precisely what worries me. This should have been a seven figure settlement in my opinion.
Strikes me that way too. By he way, what about prosecution or some sort of sanction at the very least, for those guilty of the careless use of explosive-flammable devices.
That ship has sailed. Everyone within government believes that everything was justified and therefore there's nothing left to talk about. Bou's injuries, while "unfortunate" are understandable collateral damage.
Be more careful next time, no changes to policy necessary. Only a minor paperwork error. More money, training and union membership will fix it.
The government won, wholesale. A million bucks is not that much more than the cost of litigating the thing out to the hilt. Maybe less. They got complete indemnification and nobody gets prosecuted, for the price of what would have been the lawyer bill. Complete victory for the bad guys.
$1 mil is nowhere near enough. Should be at least TEN mil.
I just want to see a reboot of The Punisher where Frank Castle's family dies because the cops flip two digits on the no-knock warrant. Point him at the most vicious gang of our times.
They should have demanded that the County cover all the medical expenses for Bou-Bou as long as required - I doubt if the County could have gotten off with any less from a jury.