Indiana Nurse Charged With Felony 'Resisting Arrest' for Driving to Safer Area for Traffic Stop
DelRea Good said she felt afraid to stop in a dark and isolated place, and that's not unwarranted.


A Portage, Indiana, nurse is facing felony resisting-arrest charges because she didn't immediately pull over when a police car flashed its lights behind her on a dark county road. DelRea Good, 52, said she assumed the car behind her was a police officer but, as a woman traveling alone late at night, she was concerned for her safety. So Good put on her emergency flashers, motioned out the window to acknowledge the car, and drove less than a mile down the road to pull over in a lit Kohl's parking lot.
Porter County Sheriff's Department Patrolman William Marshall wrote in his incident report that he initially flagged Good for speeding. In the department store parking lot, he handcuffed Good and took her to the county jail, where she was booked on a felony charge of resisting arrest. From The Times of Northwest Indiana:
"I felt I didn't do anything wrong," Good said. "I got to a safe place and I told him that."
Porter County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Larry LaFlower said, "The sheriff's office supports our officer's decision in this matter." He cited state law requiring motorists to yield to emergency vehicles and said Marshall was driving a fully marked squad car and used the lights and siren.
The fact that Marshall's car presented as a police car isn't really the issue, though. Good doesn't dispute recognizing it as a likely police car—which is why she waved out the window, turned on her flashing lights, and pulled over as soon as she reached a public area. She simply felt afraid to stop in an isolated place, and that's not unwarranted.
For one, people have been known to impersonate police officers. Just last month, a man in neighboring Ohio was arrested for impersonating a police officer and pulling people over. Here's Indiana State Police warning residents in 2012 about "bogus troopers" pulling over people and robbing them in northern Indiana. And here's another Indiana case. And another. And another. And another. And another. Two years ago, in fact, police from Good's town warned residents about a police impersonator attempting traffic stops.
Drivers are frequently advised to to do just what Good did if they encounter an unmarked car trying to pull them over. And while Marshall's car may have been marked, driving on an unlit road with neon lights flashing at you, as Good was, doesn't provide the best opportunity to evaluate the authenticity.
A second consideration: real police officers have been known to assault women whom they pull over for traffic violations. Last fall, an Oklahoma state trooper was arrested for the alleged sexual-assault of eight women he pulled over for traffic offenses. Here's a similar story from Texas last spring. And from San Antonio in 2013.
Good told The Times that Officer Marshall was angry and hostile as he approached her in the Kohl's parking lot:
Good said Marshall … said to her, "What in the hell are you doing? I could arrest you for this." Good said she was surprised by his reaction and told him to stop yelling at her. Marshall described Good in his report as "highly agitated and uncooperative." She reportedly told him she was aware he was a police officer, but drove to where she felt safe.
"I don't care who you are I don't have to stop on a county road, I'm a single female," Marshall quoted her as saying.
After Good refused to listen to how her actions put her and others in danger, Marshall said he arrested her.
Good, who said she did not resist the arrest or make any further comments, claims the officer bruised her arm while leading her to his police car and continued to "bully" her at the jail by claiming Advil and other medications she had were controlled substances.
Good works as a nurse and has no prior criminal record. If convicted of the resisting arrest charges, it could cost Good her job, as people with felony convictions are barred from being nurses in the state.
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This story sounds familiar!
Yeah, I was going to comment that she was lucky the cop didn't shoot her.
Driving to a parking lot with surveillance cameras probably saved her life.
Or at least saved her from a rape. Which is why the cop was pissed.
"After Good refused to listen to how her actions put her and others in danger, Marshall said he arrested her."
See, the officer tried to explain how not following orders IMMEDIATELY, could have resulted in the office shooting her. And, if he had to fire shots all willy-nilly at a non-obeying citizen, well, everyone's in danger then. Because, as we all know, cops are fucking terrible aims.
Amen to that last. I used to be in a gun club that included a local cop. He couldn't hit a cow in the ass with a snow shovel.
Both of my brother-in-laws are cops and I've gone shooting with them. My first time ever shooting one-handed AND with my left hand (I'm right-handed), I still had smaller groups than they did using both hands and their service pistol. It's absurd how the media vilify people with concealed carry permits as being "untrained" when they're required to do more training and be more accurate than a cop.
Ironically people were in danger because she enrageda cop.
Good shoot! What? He didn't shoot her? Well, what's the big deal then?
The book should have been "What's The Matter With Arizona?"
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What the fuck is it with goddamn Indiana?
Indiana Man?
I thought we put all Indianans on reservations like 2 hundred years ago.
Those were redskins.
Well, we couldn't let those 'bitter clingers' hold on to their backwards religion and war-like culture either, right?
Hoosiers are the new oppressed minority. I always knew something like this would happen.
It has nothing to do with hoosiers ass
Again and again, we see that all it takes is an encounter with the wrong cop at the wrong time when he/she is having a bad day or they decide they don't like you or they're just an asshole at all times. This woman is lucky he didn't shoot her or ram her car off the road.
This could be you, or me. At any time, anywhere. These goons are just waiting out there, constantly looking for someone to use their authoritah on, and they always find someone.
And you don't even have to be doing anything wrong. Last year on my way to work (6 AM) I had a cop pull me over. He asks for my info, says he pulled me over because I had a brake light out. I get home and have the wife step on the brakes so I can see which one is out, and guess what? The fucker lied, they worked just fine, So even doing everything right and minding your own business is no guarantee of safety from these fucks.
Oh, that's definitely part of it. That's what makes it so insidious. Maybe the cop doesn't like the fact that you have an expensive or fast car. Maybe your car reminds them of their ex who just left them. It could be anything, it doesn't matter. If their attention lands on you, they can and might do...anything. And that includes killing you if you spook them.
We wouldn't tolerate a bear wandering around that could surprise people at any time. But we tolerate these animals. Well, tolerate is a bad word. We've allowed them to become so powerful that we have to tolerate them at this point.
I'm thinking that most people must just not come into contact with the cops that often. How could they and still trust them? Or maybe they believe that they came into contact with a bad apple, not realizing that they're all bad apples.
I think people underestimate the degree to which Hollywood (and police) propaganda muddies this issue. So many people who watch TV, which is most people, are endlessly bombarded with "cops are good, cops are just, cops are heroes" from nearly every show that even remotely resembles a police procedural (and police procedurals are a huge portion of TV shows, just look at all the CSIs and Law and Orders and whatnot). It's just a constant drumbeat that cops are at least mostly good. That cops will turn in other cops. That cops care about justice or doing the right thing. And it's all a total load.
So even if they encounter a shithead cop, that propaganda is in their heads, percolating, raising the idea that "it was just one bad apple". Because otherwise, there's a major problem (and there is). But people don't like to think about things like that, and if you give them an easy excuse to put it out of their minds...they will. And so they do, helped along very much by the next episode of SVU.
Between me and the po-po's own shitty PR, I am proud to say that my kids have no love for the police and don't trust them for shit.
Cops can certainly help them along to be the subject of the next SVU.
just look at all the CSIs and Law and Orders
I bet there's a niche viewing audience yearning for a weekly network version of The Shield or movies like Training Day to balance out the bullshit propaganda from Law and Order.
Slightly OT: it's amazing how much crap Hollywood pulls that everyone ignores: tires squealing on dirt roads, engine noises which include constant upshifts (I watched something just recently where a steady highway cruise must have upshifted dozens of times), cocking guns, racking their slides, and unlimited magazines.
Yet people believe everything else in movies as gospel.
The gun handling in movies and on TV is almost always criminally negligent.
The gun handling in movies and on TV is almost always criminally negligent.
And they make all these clickity clackity sounds when you pick them up.
That certainly makes you look like a Gun Wizard on the internet, saying stuff like that.
You know what else is "criminally negligent" in TV and movies? Everything. From driving vehicles to making a solid argument, from learning how to spot foibles in others (Lie to Me -- it's all about facial tics!) to mustering evidence (CSI-Everywhere, science always wins!). It's all BS. Pacific Blue made people think coppers on bicycles were good at riding bikes, but they used non-copper stunt men to do the riding. Because most 2-wheeled piggies are fat and can barely pedal.
Need more examples?
You mean to say that your EBR doesn't have the unlimited ammo code?
Cuz my EGR does, but then it is an energy based weapon
"I bet there's a niche viewing audience yearning for a weekly network version of The Shield"
Closest to reality we have, sadly, is Gotham...
Serious Q: Would you watch a show about a police dept. that was just the opposite, i.e. just a few good ones, the rest all criminals? It might be interesting, but I don't know whether it'd attract much audience. All depends on the writing, I guess. Good writing can make the dullest subjects interesting, bad writing can make the most interesting subjects dull.
That was pretty much the premise of the Shield.
uh...nope. fond reminiscence shouldn't be mistaken for an honest appraisal.
as with all TeeVee, the Shield actually honored the po-po. it promoted a simple theme -- even among the grafting grifter thugs, an honest cop tries to do right.
I'd be amazed if something like that with a bit of realism is 'allowed' to exist.
Hollywood gives us a distorted view, that's for sure. The "good cop" has to take shortcuts because he know who the guilty is but the damned liberal lawyers and judges keep letting them out.
And people cheer when he takes those shortcuts...
We shouldn't let 100,000 bad apples spoil the bunch.
killing you if you spook them.
And it does not take much to do so.
I'm starting to think that cops believe their own lies. The fucker who pulled you over would probably pass a polygraph if asked if you had a brake light out, while looking at your car with both lights on. It's pathological.
Oh, I have no doubt he would swear under oath in a court of law that I had a brake light out. And to epi's point, just by his attitude and the way he was eyeing the interior of my car while standing there he was just looking for an excuse to fuck with me further. I just stayed very calm and polite and avoided antagonizing him, like you would treat a large growling dog.
I'd love for a cop to try that with me (although I really wouldn't love it).
Oh, really? My LED taillights? Which LED is out?
That's the point where you get beaten and arrested for questioning the cop.
Stop resisting!!
and if you asked to go back and look at the light with him, he'd probably taze you
"Now, Sir, let me check your blinkers. It's working, it's not working, it's working, ...."
Winner.
I lol'd
Love it! A blonde/Polish joke re-purposed into a Keystone Kops joke.
One reason I like my car... it tells me if a brake light is out... or a headlight. Which gives me a heads up if I need to repair something so they (hopefully) won't have an excuse to pull me over.
Not that it stops a cop from lyting....
I miss that feature. Subarus don't have it.
And if yours is anything like mine, the headlights burn out way too often.
A copper lied just to exercise his power to stop you.
Probable cause used to be a pre-req to any po-po stop, but that's now an antiquated notion. Because if the coppers can't bully you around, nobody is safe!
Crime is at historic lows, so obviously we need to spend more money on cops to pointlessly harass people.
Not sure if serious or sarcastic....
Not sure...
He took his meds. They'll be wearing off in about 5 minutes.
So...
Not sure if it's really Tony?
This from the guy who wants to send armed police to threaten to kill someone who doesn't want to participate in a gay wedding.
That's not pointless harassment, that's good government, because it's more evil to let people associate freely!
(This is what 'Tony' really believes)
Tony needs to stick his finger to the wind to figure out if he wants and oppressive state or liberty. Depends on the situation and who's who.
Actually, he reads what the proggie talking points du jour are so he knows what to believe. There have been plenty of times when an issue is newsworthy where 'Tony' is not heard from until after the official talking points come out.
No, I just don't want the law to say that police can harass and arrest people while going about their lives because they are gay or black, which is the alternative to requiring that public accommodations don't discriminate.
Am I reading this right: Either a) Have a law requiring public accommodations don't discriminate or b) have a law that lets police harass people because they're gay or black? It's either one or the other? How the hell can you convince yourself that's a coherent thought worth posting on the Internet?
I'm guessing that post's peak Tony. There's no way to go from there but down -- might as well turn off your computer and get a life.
I think we can give up. Some people are just too purposefully stupid to engage. That's the prototypcal 'we're all dumber for hearing it' comment. Congratulations Tony; you're the champ.
I'm consistently against undue harassment by police, unlike propertarians, who hate government force so much they think government should only do those things that involve physical violence against people.
So again you think the police should kill people for not making a gay wedding cake. You believe that people should be slaves at the point of a gun. We get it. No need to clarify your position further.
Plus he probably doesn't want me to defend myself (or Gays to defend themselves against violent bigots) with a gun.
"I'm consistently against undue harassment by police, unlike propertarians, who hate government force so much they think government should only do those things that involve physical violence against people."
I don't think these words mean what you think they mean.
"undue", that's the key.
Fuck off, slaver.
I'm consistently against undue harassment by police, unlike propertarians, who hate government force so much they think government should only do those things that involve physical violence against people.
That's stupid even for you.
How is protecting property rights undue violence?
And poor people need the police to protect their property rights a whole lot more than rich people do. Rich people can afford to pay someone to protect their property.
So in your esteemed opinion the stop was appropriate, it was just the interaction that was wrong, yes?
Crime is at historic lows, so obviously we need to spend more money on cops to pointlessly harass people.
Tony:
http://memegenerator.net/instance/36143800
or this:
https://7373-presscdn-0-43-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/
wp-content/uploads/
2015/02/Wants-More-Government.jpg
had to break into three pieces to avoid the character limit thing.
Starting to wise up as to what government's all about, rent-boy?
Better late than never.
-jcr
Was the officer planning to arrest her for speeding? If not, then how was she resisting arrest?
Also, I thought most departments encouraged motorists to pull over in "safe" areas, not only for their own safety, but for that of the officer too.
You obviously don't understand what a major crime it is to inconvenience an officer of the LAW! in any way. Shame on you. Why do you love murderers and hate civil servants who are sworn to serve and protect you?
Apparently if you don't immediately pull over then you're resisting.
A speeding ticket is an arrest, just one for which you're not taken into custody. He took her into custody on the felony charge of resisting arrest for speeding, which makes him an asshole but not technically wrong.
Yes, the times I've been pulled over I try to find the safest nearby place so the officer doesn't have to deal with heavy traffic. Not that doing him that favor has gotten me anywhere...
Pull over on a busy road, right next to the traffic lane. Make the cop stand in traffic while he's hassling you.
I think they like that actually.
Here in Houston they enjoy blocking 2 or 3 lanes on the freeways when one would do.
I regulary see their car parked across two lanes on the freeways when it's obviously not necessary.
They're special and want your attention.
I almost hit a police car when he had his car cocked at an angle, pointing out into the road, while pulling someone over on the shoulder. There were two lanes in my direction, the guy in front of me went to the left lane, giving me about 3 seconds warning, but I had cars behind me and beside me. I braced for the impact but somehow missed.
I've recently come back to Houston after being away for about 5 years. I've noticed something, the cops are all over the roads now. I grew up here and have never seen it like this. I guess they don't patrol anymore, just park on the roads and generating revenue for the city.
I also agree, they like to block lanes now.
But, I did have one thank me (maybe 10 years ago). I got pulled over and made sure I got way off road so officer was not in traffic. He thanked me for getting far enough over but still got a ticket.
About 20 years ago I was in morning rush hour traffic in suburban DC, in the center of 3 lanes, when a police car behind me put on his lights. I put on ym turn signal, waiting for a break in the line in the right lane. The traffic in front of me stopped, and the officer got out of his car and came up to my window and yelled "I told you to pull over!" He was being an ass so I just parked right in the middle of traffic and let him write my ticket for an expired inspection sticker. He threw in seat belt. Even though I was guilty, I went to court so I could tell the judge how the officer had behaved.
I've driven along to find a safe place for both of us to pull over (I don't want to get sideswiped either). Just to counter the "all of them are" ethos here -- this cop thanked me for finding a safe place, gave me a warning instead of ticket and that was it.
I'm pretty sure that I remember being told by a cop that you have the right to wait until you are in a safe, well lit place to pull over. You should slow down, maybe put on your hazard lights. I think it might even be state law in some places.
It's not as if people have never been assaulted by people impersonating police.
Similar to the problem of deciding whether to defend yourself if someone bangs on your door in the night and yells "police". It's not fucking hard to impersonate a cop.
Will she serve pizza at a gay wedding?
"But... I'm a nurse."
After Good refused to listen to how her actions put her and others in danger Marshall's bullshit, Marshall said he arrested her.
FTFY
She failed to show proper contrition and deference to the King's Man.
I thought it was always legit or legal to wait for a safe place to pull over. I guess it is true we break a law 3 times per day without knowing it.
Oh, and here's one of Reason's favorites, Dunphy, telling us that LA is now a war zone because of no stop and frisk:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/crime-rates-rise-in-la/
It's not the same Dunphy as our resident idiot.
Not enough booya's
The comments weren't the complete cop slobbering I expected. Maybe we are starting to win.
Always thought it was the same Dunphy from LA - is that name a common pseudonym for cops on boards?
I didn't read the comments, but yeah, seeing a lot more push back by conservatives on the abuses lately. But amazingly most don't see what total tools of oppression, theft and union privilege cops have become (maybe they were always that way, but drug war seems to have made things worse. I hated cops as a kid, became more cop friendly after serving in the military and knowing some guys after they became cops, and now hate them again with a passion).
"Our" Dunphy claims to be from Seattle.
WTF do you mean "our", you got a mouse in your pocket? 'Cause I'm staking no claim.
"Our" dunphy claims to have taken that handle here to honor that Dunphy.
That anyone ever thought dunphy was anything but a shit-slurping troll beggars the rational mind.
Ah, I remember now him talking about Seattle. I just thought he retired there to get away from CA taxes...not that Seattle would be that great a change.
I like the trolls. I don't want this place to be group hug place for a bunch of libertarian fags.
Think about the Germanwings crash. Then think about how many police are on prescription antidepressants.
a power lifting, competitive surfing, Morgan Fairchild marrying legal expert and constitutional scholar of a shit slurping troll.
hth
duuuude!
We have so many laws that you break the law even when you follow the law.
True,
I'm starting the think that the above situation is exactly the reason for so many laws (to allow law enforcement to 'legally' harass anyone whenever they want).
Yeah, she had no intention of pulling over. That's why she put her flashers on. Fuck you, statist pigfuck.
Porter County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Larry LaFlower said, "The sheriff's office supports our officer's decision in this matter."
Of course they support him. He could have raped her on the side of the road and they'd support that decision too.
Beat me to it. Oh you support your officer's decision. That means nothing.
Totally OT:
HRC was always apparently an arrogant prick.
Scott Walker LOL. Duuuuuude.
I'm not surprised to see that Biden always looked like Frankenstein's Monster, but Rubio...what a fucking Dudebro. You can imagine the fucker in a polo shirt and a pastel tennis sweater tied around his shoulders as he threatens the movie's protagonists by having his developer father buy the skate park to turn it into a country club.
Fatfuck looks like the dumb big guy that all the smart guys used to beat up their enemies.
So...Adam Baldwin in My Bodyguard?
Like My Bodyguard, but without the principles.
Son of a bitch, I thought the same thing. Well played.
Cruz and Rubio haven't aged a bit.
And Richard Santorum. Does he cry salty ham tears through those glasses?
I'm in PA and actually met this prick once at a dinner. He's a total fuckass.
Ted Cruz looks like the president of the Young Republicans in my high school.
What the heck is Rand Paul dissecting ?
Orphans, obvs!
Yeah, Scotty just got my vote with that pic
Yeah, no.
OT: Open a gun shop in NYC
http://www.adweek.com/news/adv.....nyc-163523
Lol. I wish I had walked into that gun store so I could have given those fucking slavers a piece of my mind. What a bunch of assholes.
It would only take one sentence. "I want a firearm to protect myself from people like you." After that it would just be yelling and ridicule (which would be fun in its own way).
"Wow! That's a real collectors' item. I'll take it!"
How many felonies did *those* clowns commit?
Maybe we can get David Gregory to look into it.
Oh, I'm sure they got the go-ahead from the cops and the mayor's office, who also support this shit. They probably did break a shitload of laws, but it doesn't matter, they got the ok from the thugs in charge, and fuck you, that's why.
Like you always say, law is a myth.
Myth? Yeah, but she's my myth!
He's too busy banging his interns.
the one on the far left I could def. see it.
Classy.
LOL. It sounds like she was filling out one of those "what I did on my summer vacation" forms from elementary school, designed to get kids to get used to long-form writing and paragraphs.
1. Describe where you interned and what your feelings were when you were offered the internship.
2. Tell us about your typical day and how you felt about your duties as an intern.
3. Give your overall impressions of the experience.
...Marshall's car presented as a police car...
I'm not exactly sure which conclusion to draw from this story yet. Was the car pre-op or post-op?
LOL
Maybe it was agency-fluid.
=)
Check the tranny fluid.
Not tranny - inter-gear.
" He cited state law requiring motorists to yield to emergency vehicles and said Marshall was driving a fully marked squad car and used the lights and siren."
I don't think Sgt LaFlower (gay) knows what "yield" means in this law. It means to move aside so that a responding emergency vehicle can get to the emergency destination quicker. That is not relevant in this case.
It means whatever they say it means because they say so. Seriously, that's what they believe. Like in WTF's anecdote above, if a cop says you have a tail light out then you have a tail light out, even if you don't. Because they say so. If you want to argue then you're going to beaten if you're lucky and shot if you're not. And nothing else will happen.
Bunch of Ernst Rohms, wanting to use their uniformed power to appear butch and tough while having little orgies in the locker room.
I sometimes think cops have simply lost the ability to understand how regular people see things. I had plain-clothes cops ask me in front of a convenience store to accompany them towards an unlit parking lot where there were no people. After initially resisting and almost getting the face plant they sit me down in the well lit area. Even though they conceded that they'd lost badges before (my argument was that I was skeptical they were cops), they didn't concede that I acted reasonably. They just simply don't see it.
*sighs* Why did you have to make their job "difficult"?
To them the only reasonable thing you can do is unquestioningly obey their every word. Anything else is an invitation for violence.
I know you're joking, but freedom-loving folks need to do some work on explaining to the little fascists what constitutes "an initiation of violence." Some retard was arguing on another site -- can't recall which one -- that refusing to provide service to someone who is part of a protected class is an act of violence. I've heard the same argument about contracts that are deemed to be more beneficial to one party.
You will see Tony make that exact argument when he send the police to kill people who refuse to bake a cake.
No, I'm not joking. From their point of view you are to obey. Period. Don't argue, don't protest, don't question. Obey. In their minds they are right even when they know they are wrong, because might makes right and they have organized violence on their side. Don't do what you're told and ten fellow cops with clubs and guns are a radio call away, and more than happy to beat you to death for failure to show sufficient respect. That's just the world we live in.
Refusing service? Using the 'wrong' pronoun is an act of violence to progtards.
Ze can't be serious.
That's why they call you a civilian, even though they should be classified the same.
But, qualified immunity (which seems to mean un-qualified these days), and such.
That we have allowed our municipal police forces to devolve into a form of gendarmerie was the first symptom of liberty's death.
True, they've replaced the standing army (that we now have) that the founders didn't want.
As they grow and grow while real crime drops, they have to find someone to harass and dogs to shoot.
Yep, and Ted Bundy tewtally never tried to lure victims by pretending to be a cop.
But they know they're cops, and you have to respect their authoritah. Because they're cops. Which they know they are. You not knowing? Well, you should. Because they have authoritah. How can you not see that? They're cops.
They really do think that way. It's your responsibility to genuflect to the proper people, even if you have no way of verifying that they are. Because you are the peon. So you get to expose yourself to danger to show the proper deference.
Most people don't believe that cops really do think that way, because it is so unbelievable to an average sane person who hasn't actually encountered it themselves. But it is absolutely the truth.
Easier to believe the brownshirts are protecting you than it is to consider whether they're the opposite.
"They're on MY TEAM!"
Perhaps police work attracts people suffering damage to their right temporoparietal junction, leaving them incapable of performing basic "false belief tasks":
http://news.stlpublicradio.org.....e-thinking
It took me two seconds to find "Buy Police Badges Online".
Fuck the police. That pig should be shoveling shit for a living. Too stupid to do anything else.
Being is police essentially IS shoveling shit for a living. They all complain about how much scum they have to deal with everyday, as if they were coerced into their jobs and have no way of finding other work. I have a couple close friends who are cops and whenever they start bitching about their jobs I tell them I don't want to hear it. One of them rarely does it, the other I almost never talk to anymore because he obviously has issues since he would say something almost every time we got together; thank god he's retiring soon.
"I strap on the gun and badge and PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY DAY!"
Truly a mortal danger to blip the siren/lights while speeding to Dunkin' Donuts.
If you're gonna do this, call 911 on a cell phone in the meantime.
I think I need to start carrying
"The sheriff's office supports our officer's decision in this matter."
Of course it does.
What possible reason could she have to fear The Thin Blue Line?
If convicted of the resisting arrest charges
(rhetorical) Logically this cannot be the ONLY charge. How can one "resist" arrest if one is not already under arrest for something? (/rhetorical)
"Logically?" What's that? Sounds like you're resisting arrest too, buddy.
"STOP RESISTING!"
*BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!*
You got it backwards.
*BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!*
"STOP RESISTING!"
There's logic, and then there's the law.
At first I couldn't understand why the cop would be such a twat about an imminently reasonable precaution. Then I read
and it became clear. The cop was pissed off about being cockblocked.
Officer-A-Little-Too-Friendly.
Sadly, the best outcome we may see the felony charge being dropped. And then only because she's got a lawyer and the story has had publicity.
I seriously doubt a jury would convict her, but then again you never know.
You missed tarran's link upthread. Nut punch Friday
Yet another reason that libertarians should not try to get out of it when called for jury duty.
You just might help save a victim from an over-officious cop.
I move so much that it has become a pain in the ass to register much less vote. Plus voting for one statist over another isn't worth the effort. This also means I don't get called for jury duty but I would have to lie my ass off to not be dismissed immediately.
I would have to lie my ass off to not be dismissed immediately.
Same here.
I was in a pool for a cocaine dealer trial. Told them I didn't think it was a big deal and jail just ruined people's lives (have family member who's been screwed by the law just for being a druggie looser).
I was dropped pretty quickly.
Next time, you don't say that in voir dire unless you're trying to get out. That was your rare chance to actually "make a difference" and by foolishly thinking the prosecutor and judge involved have integrity (and thus, so should you when responding to their Q), your excusal from the panel meant another victimless crime went over-punished.
I would have to lie my ass off to not be dismissed immediately.
What would a police do?
In other times...
I guess that goes out the window if the cop gets pissed off, eh?
He recommended drivers call 911 if they question who is attempting to pull them over
Use a cell-phone while driving?! That's *illegal*!!
The insanity. I got chewed out, and almost cited for not driving a half a mile down a busy road to a subdivision entrance from a small side road after a minor fender-bender.
I hope there is a sane judge who throws this out and admonishes the deputy and the sheriff for this B.S.
The judge is on the same team as the cops and the prosecutor. So not likely.
Exactly. Do people still not know how the Ferguson area works?
It's not Ferguson alone, it's everywhere. Especially in locales where the dominant pols and bureaucrats are les Pwogs.
We have a company here in Atlanta (the name escapes me at the moment) that sells law enforcement equipment. They have several company vehicles all decked out in the latest and greatest gear, police written on the vehicle as big as can be. Only after looking at the vehicles closely in daylight does one realize that that is NOT a police officer. I have been fooled a few times when approaching one. Point being, I will not pull over for anyone unless in a well-lit, populated area. End of discussion.
Police shouldnt be harassing citizens unless its an emergency. The police werent created for petty technicalities they were created to keep the citizens safe.
The police are the enforcers for a large criminal gang called government. Thinking they ever were there to keep you safe is like thinking your local mafia enforcers are there to keep you safe.
Uh no. The police were created to enforce laws. They were never intended to keep us safe. And as the Supremes have already ruled they under no obligation protect us.
The police werent created for petty technicalities they were created to keep the citizens safe.
Historically speaking, the police were created for the sole purpose of keeping the elites safe.
Anyone who has been the victim of a crime understands that the cops enforce the law based upon the social class of both the victim and the perpetrator, not what actually happened. So if you're a victim at the bottom of the social ladder, they'll mock you if you ask them for help. Likewise if you're on their rung of the social ladder or higher, and you commit a crime, they'll laugh along with you and try to find a way to charge your victim with a crime. It's all based upon who, not what. Principals, not principles.
Except for Sal Culosi.
Good said Marshall ... said to her, "What in the hell are you doing? I could arrest you for this." Good said she was surprised by his reaction and told him to stop yelling at her. Marshall described Good in his report as "highly agitated and uncooperative."
Sooo, the actual felony was "not respecting his authori-tah" by being sufficiently meek and obsequious.
The officer sounds like the one who was "highly agitated and uncooperative"
the actual felony was "not respecting his authori-tah"
Otherwise known as "getting uppity". It's all about dominance and submission. That's the number one problem with cops these days - regardless of law or decency, they demand *submission*.
"After Good refused to listen to how her actions put her and others in danger, Marshall said he arrested her."
She wasn't arrested for anything she did, she was arrested for *not agreeing* with the officer. for "not listening". She, quite rightly, saw her actions as keeping people *out* of danger, and disagreed with his assessment of the relative dangers involved. And was arrested for it.
I had a very similar encounter once. One lane exit off a highway with no lights and limited shoulder, a couple hundred yards away from a well lit, multi lane road with a turn off lane. Not wanting to be doing a drunk test on a dark exit where people speed, I slowed to 20mph, put on my flashers, and continued til I stopped in the turn off lane.
Cop: Why didn't you stop?
Me: I did stop. I put my flashers on and slowed, and then stopped at the first safe spot to stop.
Cop: When a cop pulls you over, you need to stop immediately.
Me: Ok.
Of course, I thought he was wrong and a jackass, but I know there is no mileage in arguing with a cop. They just want to hear "yessir". They want you to submit to their "authoritay". That's what it is all about.
This woman was arrested for it. Eric Garner was killed for it.
" Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today."
Instead of submitting, he asserted that their harassment "stops today". He refused to *submit*. So, they took him down.
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Wow, unpossible
Regarding people's view of the police.
A cop here in New Hampshire (Stephen Coco if you want to google him) committed a hit and run. Ran over two boys on his way home from a party, initially lied about even being on the road when he was questioned. Prosecutors charged him with misdemeanors, as part of a "strategy". Public outcry and the judge forced the charges to be upgraded to felonies.
But here's the thing. One of the moms was interviewed and said the misdemeanor charges gave the "appearance" of a double standard. Her own son was run over by the SOB, he's getting a slap on the wrist...the double standard is smacking her in the face and the most she would say is it gave the "appearance" of a double standard. Even when it was happening to her she couldn't seem to get past the cop love that is ingrained from TV.
There was a case in Illionis where a cop was texting while speeding (like 90) and killed two young girls and he got off.
He did lose his job though, but he sued the department for wrongful termination.
and pulled over as soon as she reached a public area.
A Kohl's parking lot is a private area, not a public area.
It is probably SAFER for the general public, though.
A Kohl's parking lot is a private area, not a public area.
Depends on whether there is a public use easement on the lot.
A Kohl's parking lot is a private area, not a public area.
I think it, rather obviously, means "public" with regards to the flow/constraint of information. A place where there is less chance of misunderstanding about "the expectation of privacy".
When information can be considered property and only exists and/or is granted to the private entity that created it with the proper government applications, I can see how the waters might get ([un]intentionally?) muddied.
she won't be convicted. No jury would do so. The DA would drop the case like that.
Sorry Johnny, it's not 1689 anymore.
The most EVIL (and useless) among us, become cops.
The only civilized solution is to abolish the profession, forever.
We need laws and we need them to be enforced. The solution is to make the law an instrument of justice, not the instrument of injustice that it is today. If criminal law was limited to actions that harm the life, liberty or property of others, instead of being a litany of victimless offenses against the state, then cops simply wouldn't have the authority to be total dicks to people who have done no harm to anyone. The occupation would attract people interested in justice instead of people who are interested in harming anyone who fails to show them sufficient respect.
I think this is the fundamental problem.
Our criminal justice system has gone from protecting rights and punishing people who harm actual victims, to one concerned with obedience and maintaining order.
When your job is extracting obedience and maintaining order, you have a license to hassle anybody and everybody, to extract their obedience.
Especially when you know that if you issue an unlawful order, and the person knows it's unlawful and protests, you can initiate violence on them and the entire legal system will have your back.
Anyone interested in justice would see that as abhorrent, which tells me that there aren't any cops out there who are interested in justice.
^This.
Might I also add, laws have and will exist in absence of gov't.
There was an amusing story about a police department discriminating against the intelligent in their hiring practices. Score too high on their aptitude test, no job for you.
Let's look on the bright side. The officer is named in the story. How often does that happen ? The tide is turning. Libertarian moment.
The judge should let her off and restore her record (spotless).
I was not arrested, but I received similar treatment, for a similar reason, at a routine stop. Police officer culture has gone way beyond the boundaries of civility. Officers treat citizens as bullies treat victims, not as public servants out there to protect people. What has happened with police culture is terribly frightening. Thank you for publishing this story.
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I often wonder about the careers people who are forced out of one line like that go into. Must make for some interesting stories. I did work with the chief tech of a lab who'd been a dentist in the Philippines but wasn't licensed to do dentistry where we were. I'd be interested in knowing other such stories.
Presumably they'd still advise people to do what she did, on the logic that it's better to be convicted by 12 than carried by 6. That is, if you don't do that, you could be killed, while if you do do that, the worst you can get is a felony conviction.
There ain't no justice here. There's just us.
A "law abiding" citizen is only one encounter away from having their life ruined. This depends on what kind of mood they are in. They couldn't care less for those who they (don't) serve. They really serve the state, and are a standing army that is unaccountable to individuals, and shielded from consequences when try violate an individual's liberty.
Sadly, a hard working woman has to go through all kinds of IL)legal BS because she didn't obey and put her own life at risk so the cop can get home safe.
You will trust today's "cop" at your peril. They are best avoided, even if they are your neighbors.
Cops are fucking pig dog pieces of shit. I wouldn't trust one further than I could throw an Escalade.
Damn. I've actually done this once. I did exactly what this woman did (since I believe that's what you are taught to do) and the cop not only didn't have a problem, he didn't even give me a ticket.
The police are nuts, of course, but can we please note this clear statement of her entilted female privilege: 'I don't care who you are I don't have to stop on a county road, I'm a single female,'. Thus is laid bare the sexism of our time. Women have privileges: men get shot.
Oh fuck you, no one should stop on a single side road. Find a safe place to pull over, that's standard procedure taught in every jurisdiction.
That's what this same cop said she said. Reliable?
I know as little as anyone here of what really happened, but growing up with a sibling you learn how to twist words and recognize twisted words. To me, "I don't care who you are I don't have to stop on a county road, I'm a single female" sounds a lot like "I didn't know who you were and I didn't want to stop on a country road, I'm a woman driving alone" after a game of angry-selfrighteous-cop Telephone.
Fuckery like this is what is used by dipshit feminists in attempts to derail any criticism as "mindless paranoid misogyny". Invoking a common sense action as a reasonable means of self-protection is exactly what most here would argue for. It's the proggie fucktards who would label any such suggestion as "victim blaming", and since you've seemed to bought into their idiotic argumentation, I'll ask you a simple question: since she was arrested and charged, what exactly did her "privilege" get for her?
Unfortunately, those no "edit" or "delete" button here, but please, in the future, just keep your cockholster shut.
I'll be honest, with the legalization of weed, which used to occupy a shitload of cops' time, they're still going to have to make up the money in fines which means more harassment of us regular folk on the roads than we've had in the past. Weed and such should be legal, but only if we cut the police force by like 75%. Otherwise the rest of us will suffer.
You know what, Falcon? I had totally not considered that aspect of mj legalization, esp wrt nationwide legalization( when the fedgov finally DESCHEDULES mj...) And the implications of it - when you consider what percentage of smuggled drugs by volume is mj and how many arrests there are each year for mj - are fucking STAGGERING!
It's not legalized, it's tax-and-regulate-ed. This preserves ultimate state power over a harmless weed.
Decrim would make more sense, but would remove Po-Po Penis Swinging from the equation.
You know they're gonna threaten, bully and doomsay their municipalities into believing that if weed is legalized, they'll need to TRIPLE the police force to Protect the People from all the Dangerpus Druggies. And enough edgy, bitter, misanthropic old people will buy it, or if nobody plays along they can just do it anyway, because fuck everyone all the time is why.
Except for the occasional need to go out for munchies most of us will be staying home watching old reruns of barney fife and gillian's island.
I was pulled over once... For pulling over. Dark, rainy night on an unlit country type road. I was 17, driving home from a late shift at a movie theater. A car was following me extremely closely, especially worrisome with the conditions. I turned on my signal and pulled to the side to pet them pass. Flashing lights went on and cop came up to my window. Asked why I pulled over. I told him I didn't feel safe with the tailgating and wanted to let him pass. He told me that I wasn't allowed to pull over. Then went on his way. Looking back, I see I was lucky.
Another pea-brained Ernst Rohm, closeted and hating himself, using the Badge Power to feel like he's a worthy soul.
At least Penn Jillette will appreciate when Ernst wants to marry Horst.
"He told me that I wasn't allowed to pull over. Then went on his way. Looking back, I see I was lucky."
Lucky, or smart enough not to contradict him. "Respect my authoritay!" That's always what it comes down to.
"Porter County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Larry LaFlower said, "The sheriff's office supports our officer's decision in this matter."
Of course they do, as we all know a cop never does anything wrong, even if he were to do the same thing a civilian gets in trouble for.
"Good said Marshall ... said to her, "What in the hell are you doing? I could arrest you for this." Good said she was surprised by his reaction and told him to stop yelling at her. Marshall described Good in his report as "highly agitated and uncooperative."
He was yelling and cussing at her but she was the one that was "highly agitated."
He got his poor feelers hurt because she didn't immediately cower and grovel at his superior authority. Plus, as stated here, he was probably horny and she resisted, and we know that the sheriff's office would have supported their officer's decision in that matter.
The lady challenged authority. Behavior unacceptable, for which she must be punished. Is not the majesty of the law, majesty offended, supreme?
Obviously, the offending party should be, at dawn, executed by musketry, or something of the sort.
So.. Just another day in America?
I'm sorry Ms. Good. Being broad-sided with the ugly truth must be a horrible experience. I only hope that the judge dismisses this .. thing.. as soon as they see it.
Welcome to the Police State. Using common sense and good judgement is now a felony, if you don't immediately and unquestioningly obey. You no longer need to be Black or another minority to feel the jackboot of oppression of the police, it's now open season on everyone and their dogs. The American people over the last 20 years have told their elected representatives they wanted bigger and more powerful government on both the local, state and Federal level. Well, this what you get.
I wouldn't blame this on the vote.
I suspect the problem is worse than that - another government agency writings rules and policy that serve the agency, with no possibility of effective oversight from elected representatives.
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Again and again, we see that all it takes is an encounter with the wrong cop at the wrong time when he/she is having a bad day or they decide they don't like you or they're just an asshole at all times. This woman is lucky he didn't shoot her or ram her car off the road.
This could be you, or me. At any time, anywhere. These goons are just waiting out there, constantly looking for someone to use their authoritah on, and they always find someone.
Seconded.
With little crosses that have Puffy or Lucky written on them.