Sex Crimes

Brown U. Botched a Rape Case So Badly That Both Sides Called Bullshit

None of the four students involved in this investigation believe it was handled fairly and with respect for due process.

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Read the details of this Inside Higher Ed story about a sexual assault and drugging investigation at Brown University and tell me with a straight face that colleges and universities can be trusted to decide criminal matters. Try it, I dare you:

Students at Brown University are raising questions about an investigation and hearings involving a reported drugging and sexual assault on campus last fall.

Neither of the accused students—one man accused of the drugging, and a different man accused of assault—was found guilty.

Supporters of the two women involved called the investigation "haphazard" and said the university's hearing process was deeply flawed.

The student accused of drugging the women says he's innocent. But he, too, said the process was unfair for all involved and that the university's investigation was "incompetent."

It's hard not to agree with them. Two female students attended a party at Brown's Phi Kappa Psi chapter in October; they shared a single drink, which was mixed for them by a fraternity member. The drink quickly overwhelmed them; they later came to suspect that it had contained a date rape drug. One of the women claimed she was raped by a non-fraternity member after she left the party. The girls reported the incident, volunteering urine and hair samples to determine whether their drink had been spiked.

How well did the university handle the toxicology test? Not very. Initial results held that the girls did indeed have increased levels of a date-rape intoxicant in their system. But the fraternity brother who mixed the drink hired a medical expert to conduct a second review, which raised questions about the first test's accuracy. Brown then conducted a third test, overturned its initial findings, and dropped the case. Internal university emails obtained by Inside Higher Ed recorded considerable confusion about the laboratory testing procedures. Even though he was cleared, the Phi Psi student reported that he didn't blame the women for feeling mistreated by the process. "Brown didn't do their due diligence," he said.

The university's prosecution of a different student for raping one of the two women was fraught with other issues. The accused student was informed of the charges against him just nine days before the hearing, which was scheduled for the same date as a final exam. The university denied his request to move it. Brown also rejected his complaint that the staff member assigned to lead the adjudicating panel—a chair of the university's gender studies program—was biased against him. Nevertheless, he was found innocent.

His accuser, for her part, contends that he received special treatment because his father was an important alum and donor. He had lawyers to help him; the women did not.

None of the four students involved in this investigation believe it was handled fairly and with respect for due process. And they're all right. As I've noted before, college rape trials are unfair to men and women. Whatever the faults of the criminal justice system, it is nevertheless the case that rape is too serious a matter to be left in the hands of academics.

Unfortunately, colleges will continue to feel obligated to play games with students' futures as along as bureaucrats at the federal government's Office for Civil Rights remain unconstrained.

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  1. Brown knows? Brown, noes.

  2. None of the four students involved in this investigation believe it was handled fairly and with respect for due process.

    But that’s the whole point of doing it outside the “justice” system. So it’s working perfectly. Remember, they just want to make punishment arbitrary and based on the whims of those in power. And how that ends up is: if the case is politically hot, they can witchhunt someone, or scapegoat them, whatever they feel like. If it’s not politically hot, they’ll just basically throw it away because they don’t really give a shit. This situation wasn’t politically hot, so it got the latter treatment.

    1. “But that’s the whole point of doing it outside the “justice” system. ”

      Actually most organizations have policies for addressing allegedly illegal behavior by employees and customers other than just leaving matters to the justice system. Ask Ben Roethlisberger about that.

      1. And the NFL’s system of adjudicating such disputes has universally been praised for its consistency, impartiality and fundamental fairness.

        1. As has the criminal justice system!

          1. Which is what has spurred many people and columnists on this site to urge government to do less in the realm of “criminal justice” precisely because of how poorly they do it. Urging private entities to act more like government is not a positive change.

            1. “Urging private entities to act more like government is not a positive change.”

              But they’re not here. They’re deciding if they want to keep associating with the students in question.

              1. You keep saying that, but government and its agents do not have freedom of association rights, nor are they permitted to punish students at will in the name of “association.”

          2. Ray Rice received a greater punishment from the NFL than he did from the justice system. Yet everybody is screaming about what an evil POS Roger Goodell is.

            Especially galling was the way they asked when Roger Goodell knew about the elevator security camera footage. It was the legal system’s job to know about it, yet nobody asked them about it.

  3. I’m totally sick of hearing about the social justice inquisitions at these so called places of higher learning.

    1. Don’t read right wing media so much then. Colleges are covered so much because their seen as institutions of the enemy by the right.

      I mean, really, it’s not like colleges are the only organizations that look into these sorts of things. Institutions care about who they associate with.

      1. Many people, not just progs, are conflating Universities/Football Leagues/Internet Companies/Gaming Conventions with law enforcement entities. Demanding action from them is one thing, but the OU incident shows some of these movers and shakers are buying their own bullshit.

        1. If you run an organization, say a country club or a gym, and a member comes and says another member assaulted them, you’re not just going to let the authorities work things out. You have to show a certain step demonstrating a duty of care to the safety of your members or you’ll be sued potentially. And you care about your pr, and maybe your members and who you associate with. So you’re going to develop mechanisms for dealing with that. You kind of have to.

          1. Sure, but if you as the club owner terminate a member’s contract based on an allegation that turns out to be false, you can expect to be sued, especially if you acted in an impetuous manner. And that is all without assuming, as here, that you were acting as a quasi-governmental actor.

            1. Exactly. Big issue number one is that many of these institutions are legally government bodies. Big issue number two is that the process is the problem. Someone gets accused of rape, whatever, they have rights to real due process, not some trumped up, biased forum. Even if it’s just about kicking the accused out of school.

              I think it’s quite disingenuous to say that these schools are treating accused people fairly, when the evidence is pretty clear that you’re in big trouble if there’s a political angle to whatever you’re accused of. While litigation is a possible answer, that’s tremendously expensive and cost-prohibitive for most students, so either the schools need to outsource their tribunals to unbiased people or stay out of the business altogether. As far as protecting from liability goes, that’s a hoot, as these public attacks and often virtually due processless actions expose them to tremendous liability.

              These same institutions have trouble providing justice when the accused are athletes, too, so they have unclean hands in more ways than one.

              1. I suspect (hope?) that a federal judge would find that even an ostensibly private institution is acting as an agent of government–and therefore subject to the same rules re burdens of proof, etc–when they act subject to explicit or implicit threats of lost funding by the DoE. The distinction between public and private in these circumstances is largely illusory when government is calling the shots.

              2. Big Issue Number Three is that the government is telling these institutions to use this process.

            2. “Sure, but if you as the club owner terminate a member’s contract based on an allegation that turns out to be false, you can expect to be sued, especially if you acted in an impetuous manner. ”

              Well of course. That’s true for colleges too though.

              1. The threat of suit for the club owner serves a deterrent purpose of discouraging future wrongful conduct, however. For colleges, the federal government always wields a larger stick than any law suit, and as long as it threatens, colleges will keep trampling the rights of non-favored groups.

                1. That’s a fair and a good point. But it applies equally to lots of situations where the government puts their ‘thumb on the scale.’

                  1. And I’m happy to denounce all of those instances. Given the current discussion is about education, that is the focus of my outrage.

      2. The long-term consequences of such collegiate discipline is often greater than in other situations, which may be why there is more focus. I also think that a big part of it is that college for many people has been a place where drunken hookups were an expected rite of passage; these efforts, spearheaded by government appears to be a naked attempt to gain political points at the expense of young people’s futures. There is not a parallel in other sectors.

        1. Er, the first example I gave is parallel. If you get kicked out of the NFL good luck plying that ‘trade’ elsewhere! And the government constantly leans on them to police various illegal behavior.

          1. Except that the commissioner of the NFL cannot unilaterally kick a player out of the league, something that several federal judges have recently affirmed. Students, unlike NFL players, are not protected by a collective bargaining agreement, and the commissioner is not acting at the behest of the federal government.

            So, no, your example is not a parallel.

            1. “the commissioner is not acting at the behest of the federal government”

              Have you any familiarity with the NFL’s substance abuse policy? The Feds haven’t pushed them there?

              “Except that the commissioner of the NFL cannot unilaterally kick a player out of the league, something that several federal judges have recently affirmed. ”

              Because of contract laws. If a college kicked out a kid with a process violating contract the same result could occur

              1. The feds have made plenty of speeches, yes, but they haven’t threatened to withhold federal funds pursuant to Title IX or any other federal law, as they have with colleges. If this seems like a minor detail to you, you should probably ask your law school for your money back.

                Mary students have sued or threatened to sue based on breach of contract; when the harm is loss of reputation, however, full recovery is often never possible. In the NFL, players who are cut for a violation (e.g., Ray Rice) still are paid their lost salary. A college student who was left in legal limbo for years won’t enjoy the same closure.

                But, please tell me more about how Adrian Peterson is in the exact same position as one of these students.

                1. In the relevant way Peterson is in a worse position as the NFL is essentially it for what he does.

                  1. When the federal government tells the NFL what rules to put into place and how to interpret them–including for interpretations of criminal laws–then you may have a parallel. A private entity enforcing it’s own rules with government pressure is fundamentally different.

                    1. “When the federal government tells the NFL what rules to put into place and how to interpret them–including for interpretations of criminal laws–then you may have a parallel.”

                      Again, are you not aware of the federal pressure regarding the NFL (and other sports leagues) policies on, say, substance abuse?

                    2. I am, and they are wrong to get involved, but you still have not shown government action with the NFL to the same extent as with colleges.

                2. In the NFL, players who are cut for a violation (e.g., Ray Rice) still are paid their lost salary.

                  In the other sports leagues that is true. The NFL doesn’t have guaranteed contracts. The day they cut you is the last day you get a paycheck. The team is not obligated to pay the remainder of the contract.

                  1. Not fully guaranteed, no, but a portion is guaranteed.

            2. and the commissioner is not acting at the behest of the federal government.

              No to defend BCE, but there are a lot of politicians who grandstand about things like the Ray Rice case. Hell, Obama tweeted about it.

              To paraphrase Obama’s tweet, “Real men don’t hit women; they drone-bomb them.”

      3. Bullshit. 2 of my biggest clients are universities. The right hold no such animosity against places of higher learning. It’s bullshit like this that people are complaining about.

        You pay 10s of thousands of dollars to send your son to a university and you need to fear his life is going to be ruined by a witch hunt by radical imbeciles?

        These institutions are going to go broke, and they will fully deserve it, no fucking tax payer bailouts.

        I read HuffPo as much as I do anything else. I don’t watch Foxnews, so what bullshit are you pulling out of your ass now? You don’t even know.

        1. But they’re not the only institutions that have policies and procedures to decide when to break off associations with people and who the goverment exerts considerable pressure on to do so.

          1. Which is itself a problem. You should be condemning this practice as a whole, not excusing government overreacting in some areas because it exists in others.

            1. I have and do condemn the government meddling. I’m just noting that unlike the focus it’s hardly as exclusive

              1. Not exclusive, but taken to a degree not present in other instances of government meddling.

  4. He’s spoiling for a fight. Don’t give it to him for once, you tards.

    1. No, it’s the Asperger’s. He’s completely unaware of the nature of social interaction.

      1. It’s not just the Asperger’s. Plenty of functional autistics manage to be less than complete assholes.

        1. The Aspergers stuff is the best coming from the crowd obsessed with who talks to who in their important ‘online community of friends.’

          Because THAT doesn’t suggest Aspergers

          1. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don’t lock eyes with ’em, don’t do it. Puts ’em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming “No, no, no” and all they hear is “Who wants cake?” Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.

            1. Bill is WTF? Makes sense

              1. Why, yes, Bo. We’re all just one person on here to confuse and frustrate you. I am WTF is OMWC is Warty is John is Eddie is Heroic Mulatto is jesse is….well…you get the picture.

                BWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

                1. I’m General Butt Naked, why do you think it’s been so long since anyone has seen him? My Hyperion alter-ego was stronger and took over.

                2. So are you me too Bill?

                  1. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

                    1. We are the eggmen?!? Because I could have sworn I was the walrus.

                    2. Semolina Pilchard would be a great name for a blues singer.

                    3. Coo coo ca choo?

                  2. Of course I am. We’re all the same person. Except for Nikki. She’s the worst.

                3. Oh, so you were just mindlessly parroting something you heard someone else say Bill?

                  That makes sense as well!

                  1. Christ, what a retard. One would think a law student might have the inclination to do a google search when two people use the same line, BEFORE calling them out as a sock.

                    This guy is going to be someone’s lawyer?

                4. I just don’t want to be Fist.

        2. It’s not just the Asperger’s. Plenty of functional autistics manage to be less than complete assholes.

          Yes, but Asperger’s is a specific type of autism. Many autistics can pick up on social cues and can, in some limited sense, develop an ability to put themselves into the place of others. Asperger’s sufferers do not, that’s what makes the syndrome so difficult, they’re just dismissed as assholes rather than their disease being recognized and treated.

        3. It’s not just the Asperger’s. Plenty of functional autistics manage to be less than complete assholes.

          Yes, but Asperger’s is a specific type of autism. Many autistics can pick up on social cues and can, in some limited sense, develop an ability to put themselves into the place of others. Asperger’s sufferers do not, that’s what makes the syndrome so difficult, they’re just dismissed as assholes rather than their disease being recognized and treated.

        4. It’s not just the Asperger’s. Plenty of functional autistics manage to be less than complete assholes.

          Yes, but Asperger’s is a specific type of autism. Many autistics can pick up on social cues and can, in some limited sense, develop an ability to put themselves into the place of others. Asperger’s sufferers do not, that’s what makes the syndrome so difficult, they’re just dismissed as assholes rather than their disease being recognized and treated.

          1. Fucking squirrels.

          2. I couldn’t ask for better than Old Man! Lol, keep obsessively hitting that button Aspie!

          3. Asperger’s sufferers do not, that’s what makes the syndrome so difficult, they’re just dismissed as assholes rather than their disease being recognized and treated.

            On the other hand, perhaps they really are just assholes and Asperger’s, like ADD, is merely an attempt to medicalize dissocial personality traits as a way of abrogating personal responsibility for the consequences of one’s behavior.

            Not saying I necessarily agree with that, but just throwing it out there.

            1. It’s possible. As a more caring person than Warty (“Over 216 days rape-free!”), I tend to give the benefit of the doubt and maintain that it’s a mental condition rather than being a gaping asshole.

              1. Warty could never go that long. He is too tied to the lunar cycle.

      2. For example, note that his go-to insult is to call me female. What does that tell you?

        1. *dangerously close to acknowledgement of it*

        2. That you act like an obsessive young girl?

        3. What does that tell you?

          He wants the D and or V?

        4. What does that tell you?

          That he has a limited ability to understand others and it manifests in what, on the surface, appears to be a virulent sexism. It’s not, it’s a condition.

          1. Our resident psychopath weighs in

        5. In his defense, no one alive is sure exactly what you are.

          *shudders at the thoughts of stray tentacles and such.*

    2. Who, Warty? Scarecrow, Epi or Hyperion?

      1. YOUR MOM.

        1. My Mom is too classy a lady to frequent THIS blog, Epi.

          My sister, on the other hand…

          1. Hmmm, is she also a fish?

    3. Obsessive young lady, aren’t you?

    4. You mean the contrarian? He’s getting worse.

  5. I was baptized in that chapel.

    1. Obviously it didn’t take.

  6. It’s almost like the police should handle date rape rather than the university. Maybe.

    1. Sometimes I wonder if there’s a degree of hubris involved in this. I can just see the exalted members of academia saying, “pish posh, our foolish enforcers are too blunt an instrument for this delicate situation. This calls for the scalpel-like intelligence of me and my cohort, not the truncheon.”

      1. Oh most definitely, though I imagine it’s more of a “due process is just so unenlightened” type of thing.

        1. Due process is about protecting individual rights and limiting state power. It serves no purpose when the individual means nothing and GREAT SOCIAL JUSTICE means everything.

          Move “ZIG.”

          1. “For the totalitarian of our more enlightened century, there is no soul and no Creator; there is merely a lump of raw material molded by conditioned reflexes and social pressures into what, by courtesy, is still called a human being. This product of the man-made environment is without intrinsic significance and possesses no right to self-determination. It exists for Society and must conform to the Collective Will. In practice, of course, Society is nothing but the national State, and as a matter of brute force, the Collective Will is merely the dictator’s will-to-power, sometimes mitigated, sometimes distorted to the verge of lunacy, by some pseudoscientific theory of what, in the gorgeous future, will be good for an actuarial abstraction labeled “Humanity.” -Aldous Huxley

        2. Holy morons, Batman.

          I realize long armchair analysis of the psyches of those you don’t like is a thing with you, but maybe try Occam’s Razor. The colleges have to have mechanisms for dealing with people who allege others on campus are dangerous or they can be sued (and that was true before the OCR started the current push).

          1. You do realize that there is some space between running your school like it’s Lord of the Flies and deputizing school officials to enforce criminal laws, right?

            1. But they’re not ‘enforcing criminal laws.’ The punishment is simply disassociating with the student.

              1. Based on a tortured understanding and shoddy investigation of violations of…(wait for it)…criminal laws.

                This isn’t about a student cheating on a test or skipping too many classes, it is about a school official interpreting criminal statutes in the manner dictated by federal governmental officials.

                1. “it is about a school official interpreting criminal statutes”

                  No, schools have their own policies on these matters, and its them they are policing. That’s kind of the point everyone’s missing.

                  1. Exactly wrong. The DoE is telling colleges to interpret these statutes in a certain manner according to the preponderance of evidence standard, which would never fly in a court of law, which is a major point of complaint.

          2. 1. Earlier in this thread you said people tired of hearing about this should stop going to right wing news sources. Only, leftwing news sources are hyping this far more and playing up their angle. I mean, it’s not hard to find examples. The White House is going on about it right now.

            2. You keep saying colleges must do something to deal with a problem that…newsflash – wasn’t the problem you are making it out to be. Where were all these colleges getting massive lawsuits for an inability to protect their students? You say this is needed to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. Your argument, like in point 1, has no basis in actual reality.

            3. You keep saying that colleges have an obligation to do something. Why the hell do you want people to believe the right something is college administrators setting up kangaroo courts? I’ve seen your arguments on this subject matter, and they have become increasingly incoherent.

            Universities can do something to protect their students – they can let their campus police handle it along with local law enforcement. You can set up reasonable protocols while that plays out.

            1. 1. The ‘this’ I was referring to was this idea that organizations having their own internal procedures for allegations of criminal behavior is somehow novel or unusual.

              2.Where were all these colleges getting massive lawsuits for an inability to protect their students?

              You’ve not heard of third party liability law?

              3. Why would I assume the cops, whom are complained about every day here, are necessarily better? Especially when the question is not whether someone is criminally liable but whether the association should be continued?

              1. Of you’re asking for specific cases in point 2, that’s easy too. Google Oregon sexual assault lawsuit

                1. Of you’re asking for specific cases in point 2, that’s easy too. Google Oregon sexual assault lawsuit

                  I guess they haven’t gotten to the fallacy of the lonely fact in your law classes yet.

              2. 1. Only, what you are implying exists elsewhere is in no way comparable to what is currently being established.

                2. How about lawsuits against the universities for trampling on the rights of the accused? You pulled one example against Oregon that is very recent. If the justification for the actions of the schools/government on this matter is liability, then I’d like to see concrete examples of schools paying out on the matter. It hasn’t happened, and in the Oregon case, it’s unlikely to happen.

                3. First off, let’s make something clear on these institutions. They are publicly funded and represent the state. So, all of your strawmen comparisons aside, there is a difference when discussing the issue of free association compared to a private company.

                Second, I loathe cops by and large. I’m pretty firmly anti-cop as many here are. Most sane libertarians don’t completely disavow the legal system – at least not to the extent that they want to hand over jurisdiction to politically motivated college bureaucrats with no training.

                Third, it’s been pointed out to you already, but students who are marked as rapists don’t just lose the right to associate with the one school that booted them.Again, these are publicly owned universities.

                So you are suggesting an unreasonable and ridiculous procedure to deal with a problem that doesn’t yet exist (massive lawsuits against universities). But none of this is new – people have argued all of this in response to you in the past.

                1. “is in no way comparable to what is currently being established.”

                  This has been covered elsewhere, I’ve argued it surely is.

                  “at least not to the extent that they want to hand over jurisdiction to politically motivated college bureaucrats with no training.”

                  But they’re not, their rulings don’t cause any criminal punishments.

                  “students who are marked as rapists don’t just lose the right to associate with the one school that booted them”

                  Citation?

                  “Again, these are publicly owned universities.”

                  Brown is?

                  1. You’ve made the same argument across the board for public universities.

                    Source on the effects getting kicked out of a school for being a rapist – Reason.com which has reported on it repeatedly. You can’t even switch schools without reporting past credits, but you are arguing a rape allegation has no repercussions. This has appeared in a number of Reason’s stories on the subject matter and you know it.

                    So these rulings by public universities don’t end up with the accused in jail. Just blacklisted.

                    Why, Bo, you must have been a big fan of McCarthyism. Because the arguments you’re making here apply to the black lists and purges/firings. No one ended up in jail, so it’s A-OK and just a matter of freedom of association…even when it’s done with tax payer dollars.

                    1. “You’ve made the same argument across the board for public universities.”

                      Actually, when a public benefit is in question there’s going to be more due process necessary, though yes, it won’t be to the level of a criminal trial. It rarely ever is.

                      “This has appeared in a number of Reason’s stories on the subject matter and you know it.”

                      I know this has been implied, but I can’t recall it being sourced. I’m happy to stand corrected though. Of course, note that such a ‘blacklist’ isn’t different than any case where an employer or someone you enter into a contract with decides to dissassociate with you and you then might have that person referenced in the future.

                    2. Ladies and gentlemen. The Botard.

        3. “…due process is just so unenlightened…”

          Particularly when executing retributive justice based on nothing but your own self-righteousness FEELS SO GOOD.

          1. Oh absolutely. I don’t know how many college professors you’ve met, but a lot of them have massive inferiority complexes, especially if their “discipline” is taken less seriously than others.

            1. You, sir, are a scoundrel and a rogue.

              1. See! See! There it is! HM wants to railroad me in a kangaroo court!

                “Hello and welcome to Asshole Court. The defendant, Episiarch, is accused of being an asshole. How do you plead?”

                  1. There wasn’t a single kangaroo in that video. I’m telling the HnR chancellor about you!

                1. Maybe he does want to railroad you, but that doesn’t make his assessment wrong.

                  1. “Can I plead extra guilty, your honor?”

  7. Ban campus police forces and require any incident reported to university officials involving the committing of a felony to the local police.

    Be done with this shit already.

  8. Pro tip: If you think you’ve been raped, go to the police. It’s a crime not an administrative infraction.

    1. But what if I’m scared of going to the police? Or what if I think I’ve been raped, but I don’t know if I’ve been “raped” raped? There’s a nuance to these things that just needs to be dealt with by the student life office and not some cop who deals with criminals.

      1. Well, if you really want justice, find some sort of alternative body that can punish and publicly humiliate the guy without anything really resembling due process, especially pesky things like burdens of proof. It works better yet if you weren’t really raped and just want to show the guy that not calling you is unacceptable. It’s a crime if you do that with the cops, but these alternative star chambers don’t care about individual justice.

  9. they’re doing it wrong. at my job, we hold the rape trials on Fridays to get an early start on the weekend.

    1. Really? That’s a good idea. Our show trials are generally held on Wednesdays, so we have time to publicly defame and punish the accused during the work week.

    2. By “trials” you mean “tryouts,” right?

    3. You know who else held trials on Fridays?

      1. Larry David?

      2. Pilate and the Jews?

        1. Do Jews do pilates?

      3. Bennie and the Jets?

  10. They should have had the test conducted by the science department at a prestigious university…wait…

    1. Have to concede…good point.

  11. If a crime is suspected call the police. If a person is arrested for a felony they are suspended. If they are convicted they are expelled. Done and done.

    1. a policy so easy, a gender studies grad could follow it.

  12. the staff member assigned to lead the adjudicating panel?a chair of the university’s gender studies program

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    1. The only thing that surprises me about this is the kid was let off instead of the chairwoman tearing his cock out to the root and proceeding to march through the quad with it raised in her bloody fist.

      1. Many students have questioned whether the family ties of the student accused of drugging the women influenced the investigation. He’s the son of a prominent alumnus and donor.

        There’s your answer.

        1. To be fair though, I’m pretty sure 1 out of every 5 Brown students is the progeny of a prominent alumnus and donor.

          A percentage that eerily correlates with 1 out of every 5 women being raped on college campuses!

          duhn-duhn-DUHN!

        2. Possible. But, it’s also possible that the accused was just rich enough to have a competent enough lawyer on hand to disassemble whatever claim the professor wanted to push.

          1. Either way, money talks about bullshit earns tenure.

            1. Money talks about bullshit would be an interesting class.

              1. “Good evening, and welcome to Money Talks About Bullshit. My guest this evening is the artist Sven Bnolljir. Welcome, Sven.”

                “Good to be here.”

                “I understand that you recently made a sculpture out of the box your flat-screen TV came it.”

                “Yes, I spray-painted it pink and glued some pig testicles to it.”

                “Wow, that’s such bullshit!”

                “And I just sold it to a collector for 34 million dollars.”

                1. Wait, but isn’t your example more of an instance of bullshit talks about money?

                  A more apt example would be an interview with the collector.

  13. The obvious answer is to teach rape not to happen!

  14. Imagine a world where you could make up the rules as you go and do anything you want to anybody.

    Why, I’ve heard that described as a Libertarian paradise!

  15. Well, this is just sad.

    1. It really is. Probably the only thing sadder than a grown man having his friends in an ‘online community’ and being all worked up about getting everyone to join him in ‘policing’ that community is someone trying and not succeeding.

      1. Ok, Bo. You still seem to not understand. I’m responding to you just this once, and back into the filter you go. Don’t worry though, if you miss this, I’ll make sure to repost it wherever you comment.

        You are a damaged human being, as I’m sure you’re aware. It doesn’t matter why. I’m sure you were bullied, and lived as an outcast for most of your formative years. The real test of human character, though, is how do you emerge from such a situation? Do you have empathy for others? Or, are you just trying to roll shit downhill? Unfortunately, it’s obviously the latter.

        1. The problem is, “Bo”, that you’re the bottom of the hill, and you’ve earned it. The shit can roll no further, and it’s gonna stick to you. Believe me, you deserve it. You show no respect for anyone, ever, and you get the same in return. You jerk off all over the place, for your own self gratification, and then act surprised when the reaction is not welcoming.

          And, although it’s obvious, I should repeat it since you don’t seem to be able to grasp it: You aren’t welcome here. You contribute nothing. People have told you to quit being an asshole for over a year now, and you keep shitting the place up.

          You can spout your inane, and frankly, nonsensical excuses all you want. This isn’t any internet site. It’s not the Huffington Post. This is an actual community, where reputations matter. People come here to blow off steam, and yes, act sophomoric, because they have skin in the game, and they actually have something to lose. But to recognize that, you have to be able to empathize with other people. You can’t. You’re here for you, because you have NOTHING ELSE. Go smell your farts somewhere else.

          1. Let me save everyone some trouble. Nuh uh you are; grown man; little girl; clique; high school; um…bullies. Did I miss any?

            1. Playa is a good dude , Warty lord…. He is a bitch sometime sbut … I love you both…. I would want warty and playa not be fucked with…

              Yes, I am tripping but I acn STILL defend two great dude

          2. Playa be smokin some super xmas bud?… bro… is that even fukin available in your fucking lame ass part of the state? Bro playa I fuckin did some gravity bong on super xmas bud and my fuckin brain did get into a that place where all a sudden my fukin fingas tiptoed on le’ keyboard…. surfin le’ keyboard … makin creatin moshin all sorts of shit while all those strange canyons beckoned and the fingers flipped and flapped and well all sorts of thread blooods flowed.. welll so now

  16. The girls reported the incident…

    To the university, not police?

    1. dudes be all crying ’bout meat market shows…

      yea… bring on the fuckin meat market… git fucked up on drugs and booze and smash on the mosh, bitch and you ain’t GOT to worry cuz muscle is all around…. only trust true babes…. jezebel never met a true babe who partied on the bus with babes who want dick and to get naked and roll on the fuckin beds…

      I been on the party bus in tired deep towns in old ohio and the best sex between couples happen s here….

  17. “What can Brown screw up for you?”

  18. So we expect math to solve these complications with sex and if the math can’t solve this shit… you all do realize there is nothing left but nerves?

  19. So what happen is when things ring and then go deep bass…. the mind gets pulled…

    your mind can get hammered without drugs….even tho I am on drugs… but I do get on the waterfull of spacemesh and I can’t get back… get lost with me one time and see where this shit leads…. you will float outside your limbs and then all that sunlight that you see all summer is like a raft into a clicking and clacking of cerebral cross sections of nanoblushes when volcanoes of space can be ridden by the moss of old centuries experienced by the young men and women of the new who are stricken with the ancient bass of the greatest flourish tripping into a yawn and gape I have no ability to describe….. hallowed open planets effulgent suns we flow into feeling the indescribe the moons wrap themsleves the clouds are pure orgasm and the fans of space can be a piano pluck actually…. the greatest deep is the simplest deep

    1. The space is getting sober…. rippling and rappling and suggestive and I shall follow into those human tones… sir, I am traveling.. I feel so smashed and wavering and like a woover…………… simply spinning into that special tone… music has made…. I am traveliing a tone…. a unique bass a swinging uptempo and now that dimension has captivated super neuros and I am forced to address the entire fucking mutiny of my brain into this deep space sound and the deepness is pulling me in like a ribbon and my body is not working…. I may not be able… ai m…. I being I am a being and ai am not humanly able to resist this entrance into where humans can truly climb and you notice the notes and the notes are like space leave flitting and flowin

      1. Ive left this plane … there is no current. the ebb and flow is not relenvant to time… those things are voices… is time a voice to humans?

        1. I ‘m not sure why I connect here and I hear supra ripples like awesome beach waves and then dark clouds… the jusxtaposition of bright and grey disturbs me and I am in an altered state but I’m not sure why all the sounds seems so bright and yet extremely gloomy…. the trees wave in the dark and the oceans ramp… the bass on that distant shore calls for the damp histories this travel is being typed and maybe I should go off and into that places… it wil be a trip into those rectangles of time…. I can’t hold a hand and certain songs sing and if you could travel with me…. I will do this… the next hours of time will be centurie

          1. these keys sublime….are like a brook of dolphin callls -a hasty hash of relax -the entrance into the overflow where subterranean lasers call forth the great mind fountain… the earth bellows from its canyouns… striped and original the glowing rocks beckon to the outer worlds … these tones cry for the universe to recognize us as planet but no one is out there… we are lone.. we are lost. no gods … no space friends.. no one is out there and I cry for the alian… I fear we are alone forever… all will pass and none of this will matter in this place of our universe

            1. place is dis. the math might make might but the poets have not found our further people…

              1. My mind is hurting me.. it is collapsing upon me…. my face is crushed and this atomic nanopulse has smashed into my star and I need to star alive… i will crawl from thee

  20. I see that blaxing thing of those old lights. In the dark places in our deep spaces light is old and dark is new and matter is touched by boots so we I’m not certain if something is channeling me but I goddamd fucke up and yet this stars is like a broken mesh of crying old engines…

  21. Interesting that the alleged adulterant of the drink was GHB or gamma butyrolactone, with which I have some experience. The 2 substances rapidly interconvert, the only difference being the GHB form is usually supplied in the sodium salt form, which would tend to taste salty because of its low potency (hence need to use a hi conc of it), while the lactone form tastes a lot like bourbon. The effects of gamma butyrolactone are similar to those of alcohol too, minus some of alcohol’s effects. Butyrolactone is a minor constituent of some wines & the spirits distilled from them, and has been used as a flavoring & solvent. I don’t know whether the test was of gamma hydroxybutyrate itself or of a metabolite of it, but notice that the issue was of the conc of a substance in the sample, not its presence or absence, apparently because it’s normally present but would be elevated in case of a drugging.

  22. Inquiring minds want to know: is Robbie still an idiot for being correct? Surely there’s someone with a masters degree in journalism able to answer this important question.

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