That Time Dr. Seuss Drew Those Vile Anti-Japanese-American Cartoons
March 2 marks what would have been the 111th birthday of cartoonist and author Theodor Geisel, better known to everyone as Dr. Seuss. As the Washington Post reports,
For the last 18 years, Dr. Seuss's birthday has been the occasion for the annual "Read Across America Day," an event sponsored by the National Education Association in partnership with Dr. Seuss Enterprises. Millions of students traditionally participate as their schools host Seuss readings in what is billed by the NEA as the "nation's largest reading observance."
I don't know of anyone under the age of 60 who isn't extremely conversant with Seuss's works and whose childhood (and parenting) hasn't been made easier by them. Yet even as sanctified a figure as the author of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas! and Green Eggs & Ham has a few dark chapters in his past.
You may recall that during his long September 2013 speech against Obamacare, Sen. Ted Cruz read from Green Eggs & Ham and was pilloried for doing so. Politico called up experts on the good doctor to inveigh against Cruz's appropriation of such a sacred text. As one prof said, "Seuss was a liberal Democrat and he would not have much patience for people like Mr. Cruz."
But it's also worth remembering that Seuss maligned Japanese Americans in particularly caustic ways during World War II:
…As a good "liberal Democrat" and FDR fanboy, Seuss was particularly big on interning citizens of Japanese-American descent. And that he liked to draw them with buckteeth and round glasses - just like Tojo had! - even as he drew cartoons against other forms of racial prejudice (read Dr. Seuss Goes to War for more on the topic).
To his credit, Seuss apologized after the war for engaging in racist hysteria. Horton Hears a Who is widely read as an apology for his role in stoking anti-Japanese sentiments and his story about "the Sneetches" is taught in the Southern Poverty Law Center's "teaching tolerance" curriculum."
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Yeah, we were at war with the Japs. It's what you do. Next you're telling me some future writer is going to castigate us for using terms like towelhead. I mean, really.
Agreed.
You might just as well get upset with Halsey's "kill Japs" billboard.
Hirohito Hatches an Egg
How Yamamoto Stole Christmas!
Oh, the Places Tojo Will Go!
and so on...
On Beyond The Philippines.
Excellent, works on many levels.
As a good "liberal Democrat" and FDR fanboy, Seuss was particularly big on interning citizens of Japanese-American descent. And that he liked to draw them with buckteeth and round glasses - just like Tojo had!
Aren't these things usually an unpardonable sin to progressives? Oh wait, only if you're not on their TEAM. I forgot how it works with them sometimes.
"Seuss was a liberal Democrat..."
"Seuss maligned Japanese Americans in particularly caustic ways..."
I fail to see a disconnect here.
Giesel's grandparents were German immigrants. Good thing we weren't fighting the Germans in WWII, isn't it.
Americans with German sounding names weren't exactly loved during the first world war.
That had some advantages. I'd be stuck with about 15 syllables if my grandparents hadn't anglicized their's.
It was a lot harder to round up Americans of German blood...
Thats right! Were supposed to be the ones rounding folks up! um.. uh nevermind lets um change the subject.
He missed the opportunity to draw every German-American as having leather shorts and a little alpine hat.
To his credit, Seuss apologized after the war for engaging in racist hysteria. Horton Hears a Who is widely read as an apology for his role in stoking anti-Japanese sentiments and his story about "the Sneetches" is taught in the Southern Poverty Law Center's "teaching tolerance" curriculum."
Well okay then, so why are we talking about this? In war you mock and dehumanize your enemies, it's nothing new.
And considering how evil Imperial Japan and how unapologetically racist the Japanese were then and still are today, I'd say they have no cause to be offended.
While it may be true that in war you mock and dehumanize your enemies, it's also true that you don't (or shouldn't) dehumanize your fellow Americans just for being of the same ethnicity as your enemies. (Otherwise we'd have been rounding up krauts like Ted Geisel and Dwight Eisenhower and interning them as potential fifth columnists.)
You might talk to my buddy's German FIL about being deported during the war.
Yes there were Germans and Italians who were mistreated by the United States during that time, but nobody talks about that, it doesn't fit the narrative of evil America hating against all non-whites etc..
Which of course adds to the injustice of it by everyone denying it ever happened.
In that narrative it's not just America that hates non-whites, it's all whites that hate non-whites. America is just the worst of the bunch they say. Which is funny because the US is one of the least racist developed countries you'll ever see, not that the pseudo-worldly progressives are aware of that.
Progressives have always been guilty of the bigotry of low expectations. They hold western civilization to a standard of perfection (one in which it will always fall short of), and hold other cultures to no standards whatsoever.
In their world view whites can never be the victims, only the oppressors. It's a really insanely racist way of looking at the world.
It's absurdly irrational. Most of the younger generations of young black Americans are taught to believe that only whites can be racist, that racism is impossible unless you have power presently (or a group of people that look like you had some power historically) over some other disadvantaged group. It's fucking stupid to the point of retarding the development of civilization for the next several generations.
I'm not sure if only whites can be racist, but you people are the best at it.
For example, try arguing to a young black audience how Robert Mugabe's policies towards White Zimbabweans is racist and unjust, or how the ANC in South Africa passively permits racism towards whites. You'll get nothing but rolling eyes and dismissive gestures.
Maybe because the scale was nowhere near what it was for Japanese-Americans?
"At the time of WWII, the United States had a large population of ethnic Germans. In 1940 more than 1.2 million persons had been born in Germany, 5 million had two native-German parents, and 6 million had one native-German parent. Many more had distant German ancestry. During WWII, the United States detained a total of 11,507 ethnic Germans, overwhelmingly German nationals."
But in practice, the US applied detention only to Italian nationals, not to US citizens, or long-term US residents.[1] Italian immigrants had been allowed to gain citizenship through the naturalization process during the years before the war, and by 1940 there were millions of US citizens who had been born in Italy. Ethnic Italians were the largest group in the United States among nationals and ethnic descendants of the three peoples represented by the three Axis powers.
"In 1942 there were 695,000 Italian enemy aliens in the United States. Some 1881 were taken into custody and detained under wartime restrictions; these were applied most often by the War Relocation Authority to diplomats, businessmen, and Italian nationals who were students in the US, especially to exclude them from sensitive coastal areas."
"By contrast, much of the Japanese-American population on the West Coast, who were two-thirds United States citizens, was forcibly relocated from the West Coast, forced to abandon or sell homes and businesses. An estimated 120,000 Japanese Americans were incarcerated in concentration camps for a period of years."
Was there any need to make this about white people? Does the fact that some German and Italians were mistreated somehow negate the fact that as a group, Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps and deprived of property at an incomparably higher rate? Can you really say with a straight face that the government treated Japanese Americans categorically the same as they did German or Italian Americans?
After the war they were compensated. They got choice land for farms, help starting or restarting businesses.
Around here there are farms still in those Japanese families ownership.
The fact is there *were* some Japanese spies. Some years ago, Japan released photos of Pearl Harbor taken by their spies right up until December 6th, 1941.
FDR chose the leftist way of dealing with problems like that, punish them all instead of finding the specific persons doing something bad.
German-Americans and Italian-Americans weren't mistreated. *Germans* and *Italians* (i.e., enemy aliens) were interned, but that's a different matter.
I'm betting that the German FIL wasn't an American citizen.
Shut it, roundeye.
Excuse me? Don't you mean lound eye?
"And considering how evil Imperial Japan and how unapologetically racist the Japanese were then and still are today, I'd say they have no cause to be offended."
You shut your whore mouth. Just because there may have been a few decapitated Chinamen here and there and maybe a few Japanese soldiers got a bit too exuberant and played soccer with severed heads is no reason to badmouth the good men and women of Imperial Japan.
But it's also worth remembering that Seuss maligned Japanese Americans in particularly caustic ways during World War II
It's really not.
I do not, could not, like the Japs
For them I could not give two craps.
I do not like people like these
Who want to turn us Japanese.
Stop and ponder what it means
That they have dirty panty vending machines.
They're not exactly regular guys
With their fried octopus and their hentais.
They're crazy, no ifs, ands or buts
They replace their schoolgirls with robots.
Your words, on matters of bigotry, are dogshit.
I never thought I'd say this, but I miss my previous stalker, Tonio.
Stop and ponder what it means
That they have dirty panty vending machines.
nice
Take it from someone who knows, Tojo: It's not a good idea to be crouching in a bathtub that you're planning to shit in.
Hugh wasn't counting on a floater.
It was like being attacked by a rabid dachshund!
But it's also worth remembering that Seuss maligned Japanese Americans in particularly caustic ways during World War II
No. No it's not.
'As one prof said, "Seuss was a liberal Democrat and he would not have much patience for people like Mr. Cruz."'
WAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Seriously, I'm convinced liberals spend 90% of their time whining about bullshit and the other 10% masturbating to weathered pictures of themselves taken at last years Arbor Day climate march.
Well, that comment also reflects how insanely tribal they are. "No one can invoke any aspect of any member of someone we think was on our TEAM, unless it's someone on the TEAM".
I remember watching a block of WW2 era Bugs Bunny cartoons once. It was proceeded by a disclaimer about how awful and racist against Japanese people would be.
I have a hard time understanding the mindset that is more offended about cartoons about Japanese soldiers than what Japanese soldiers actually did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLfyooJQEc
*they would be
Not mention what the Japanese still do today, I mean that weird tentacle porn and shit, yuck! Surly the Japanese porn industry should be considered a crime against humanity.
Yeah, but who hasn't had an octopus tentacle in their ass at some point?
Stop gloating over us us with your privileges. Not all of us can be so lucky in this age of inequality.
I think I can enjoy "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips," and at the same time deplore the Rape of Nanking, the bombing of Hiroshima, *and* the internment of the Nisei.
Fuck his anti-Jap racism. This piece of shit is his truly unpardonable sin. I remember reading it at the age of 7 or so, immediately realizing it was about the Cold War, and in the same moment realizing that Dr. Seuss was a dipshit to trivialize communism so badly.
Yep, anyone who thinks there was moral equivalency between the US and Soviet Union or that the fight between capitalism and communism was as trivial as what side of the toast to butter is cognitively impaired.
I also hate The Lorax for dismissing capitalism and industrialization. According to the book we are raping mother Gaia just to get some trivial consumer products rather than using the resources to provide an improvement to mankind's standard of living.
Fucking Lorax. My poor kid is going to get a random rant the day he comes home from school teling me about the fucking Lorax. "Oh shit, dad's up on his soapbox. I'l just back out of the room while not making eye contact. "
I never read the Lorax. My parents must have had the same reaction to it as you, because it wasn't in the house.
We had the Lorax book in the house. We told the kiddies what a shame it was that no one thought of creating property rights in truffula trees and eliminating the tragedy of the commons problem that led to their extinction.
Calm down. As the esteemed professor told us, Dr. Seuss was a liberal democrat, and liberal democrats are actively downplaying the crimes against humanity committed by Communists to this day. It's just who they are.
The Nation is still doing everything in their power to whitewash the Castros.
Calm down, Hitler. Do you think Ron Howard just *wished* Willow was great? No...and yet it was.
Willow was great. Dr. Seuss books gave me nightmares, especially the weird butter one.
Val Kilmer's answer to Legend. Its why he ended up being Maverick's wingman instead of vice-versa.
Had you by any chance also just watched Last Tango in Paris?
Ah... No. But knowing that it exists, now I kind of want to see it...
Also, Legend was also glorious. Tim Curry as evil incarnate? Easy role!
Legend was fucking terrible. Willow was the only 80s high fantasy movie (or really the only high fantasy movie ever made) that was worth watching.
Seems appropriate...
But it's also worth remembering that Seuss maligned Japanese Americans in particularly caustic ways during World War II
Is it?
There is no more pressing matter than the racism of long dead children's authors that manifested during times of war.
Yes, because FDR locked up American citizens on account of their ancestry, without charging or convicting them of any crime. And Seuss cheered on this policy.
Of course, I presume that anyone denouncing Seuss for this will also denounce FDR. I mean, how could someone criticize the cheerleader without also denouncing the team he cheerlead?
Oh, and Reagan signed the apology-and-compensation bill, so there's that, too.
You must be wrong on that. Everyone knows that Reagan was an inveterate racist who never did a good turn to any member of an ethnic minority.
The irony is that the Japanese were anything but a fifth column. It would be more than a bit of karmic justice if there ever is a real fifth column population in this country and the US is unable to deal with them due to guilt over this.
I don't know about the United States, but Europe seems to have a pretty big fifth column that they refuse to do anything about due to their bizarre guilt over nationalism.
No. Nick seems not to understand that wars involve people not liking one another. If only Seuss had been more like Sheldon Richman and realized that the real enemy was not the Imperial Japanese who were busy doing things like attack Pearl Harbor and the Rape of Nanking but America, particularly Americans themselves and all of the little Adam Lanzas out there fighting in the Pacific.
It is really funny to think that these cartoons are some kind of big deal. Nick isn't generally real big on history so maybe he doesn't know that the US was in the process of fire bombing and forcibly occupying Japan.
Criticizing wartime enemy = good.
Criticizing American citzens and calling for their imprisonment without trial = bad.
Except that the bottom cartoon is about Japan not Japanese Americans. Nick seems to think Seuss was wrong to say anything bad about the Japanese at all.
Did you miss the "Honorable 5th Column" "Waiting for the Signal From Home..."?
That is the top one. The bottom one is about Japan. Nick seems to object to both equally.
I don't share Nick's general indignation, but I do object to Seuss's FDR fanboyish support for locking up citizens without trial.
Thats a good point, Nick hurts his own argument by adding that cartoon.
Yeah, I realized after I submitted what you were saying. Though that doesn't actually back up It is really funny to think that these cartoons are some kind of big deal.
John, it is unacceptable to anthropomorphize a country run by an authoritarian government by the image of the head of that government. Don't you know anything?
Nick is merely using the progs' own standards of historical guilting against them. I know it doesn't work, but it's the principle of the thing.
Yeah. It is kind of hopeless. I guarantee you most of them think Japanese internment was the result of the evil Republican Earl Warren who then made his penance by deciding Brown v. Board.
I'm not entirely sure I get the principle of it, either. Seuss may have been a racist. He may also have been a product of wartime sentiment and backwards, but pretty common thinking during that era. Maybe that makes him a tremendous dick, but he seems like sort of an odd person to call out on it, especially given that he seems to have later apologized.
But more to the point, what is the principle behind kicking a dead man? It's his *books* that endure and that he is ultimately known for. Are his books and their ideas worth criticizing? Maybe, but if so, do *that*. Don't attack the man, attack the ideas. Going after the man instead of the idea is not principled, even if it is par for the course these days.
It's personal attacks all the way down.
Shall I recite the first half of "One Fish, Two Fish" from memory? Also, my son either hates the letter "i" or "j", as he expurgated it from the ABC book. I didn't really like the dude in the jelly jar either. But it doesn't make me as homicidal as the eighth time in 10 minutes we read the Very Hungry Caterpillar. I'm surprised roving gangs of toddler parents don't regularly beat children's book authors into comas.
Maybe the ABC thing was a protest of Seuss's treatment of the Japanese.
Ha, lately mine just wants me to make up stories to tell him. Starring himself of course.
So how about The Giving Tree? That little boy was an abusive sociopathic asshole and the tree should have stood up for itself.
If you loved me, you'd shut the fuck up and do anal is the message to all young women who read it.
Naw, tree baby, daddy hates it when you make him hit you. Now get your woody ass out on that corner and make daddy some money.
But I never read that one...
GO ON
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Clearly tsundere for anal.
"I-It's not like I like you or anything, Anal! B-baka."
There are several things being grouped under "Racist Anti-Japanese Propaganda", and they are best analyzed separately:
1. Collectivizing the people of Japan as wartime enemies. This type of thing should not be done, but it is very difficult not to do, especially in a war of the scale of WWII and with an enemy like the Empire of Japan, considering their depraved behavior and enthusiastic public support. It's probably not the type of thing you hold against a guy's legacy.
2. Using racial caricatures. This is one of those tacky "product of his time" things that, while it's probably best we've moved away from, should not have a huge impact on an artist's legacy.
3. Propagandizing against innocent Japanese-Americans. This is absolutely despicable and absolutely should tarnish his legacy, though of course we can still enjoy his work. And frankly I'm sad that people here seem to be excusing it.
And then, of course, you have the hypocrisy matter: all three would be considered unacceptable by the left had Seuss not been on the right team.
You said that much better than Nick. See if you can steal his job or bang his daughters or something.
Nah, I don't have a PhD.
Also, I don't have the requisite experience, never having written for Tiger Beat.
(Which is actually kind of badass)
Well, he did apologize and repudiate everything he said about the Japanese and racism by incorporating the lessons of Japanese internment into his books. It's not like he's Pete Seeger off-handedly and mildly denouncing Stalin in 1992 after being a communist toadie for decades.
*I should note that "Racist Anti-Japanese Propaganda" is pulled from the headline of Nick's source article.
Did you hear the one about the Jap who sued a California beauty salon for forcible sodomy? He asked them to "prease breach my asshore."
I don't really see the big deal in regards to this. He apologized for it later. Not something to focus on when there's tons of other bullshit to complain about (as Warty brings up, 'The Butter Battle' is a morally relativistic garbage allegory for the Cold War).
A lot of (all?) the cartoons from the book Dr. Seuss Goes to War are published here.
I've read the book? the Japanese and Japanese-Americans are nearly always portrayed as squinty-eyed with big round glasses and buckteeth. Germans come off better. See this one for example: http://libraries.ucsd.edu/spec.....bb2321657b
Gee, I wonder why. It's as if America is a white Christian nation where anyone else is an outsider. But that wouldn't be very libertarian.
I wonder if there are ANY libertarians of color.
"Seuss was particularly big on interning citizens of Japanese-American descent."
There is a difference between vilifying the enemy and vilifying American citizens who happen to have ancestry from the country you are at war with. I am not buying the 'we were at war' excuse.
This was the proggies chance to round people up, steal their stuff, and put them in camps. Of course that is what they did. There is a reason they are the only ones who did that. Well, maybe loyalists after the Revolution, but they were sent packing, not packed into camps.
Don't forget Lincoln in the Civil War.
I went to the WWII museum in New Orleans a few years ago when visiting family and the contrast of the Japanese vs US propaganda was one of the parts that stuck in my mind the most. The interesting thing was that the US propaganda seemed much more offensive to me than the Japanese, which seemed humorous by comparison (i.e. Americans are messy and irresponsible), highlighting the fact that the insults are designed to lower your opinion of the other guy, not to offend him.
Well, their propaganda may have been more benign, but their internment camps (such as the ones where they sent American civilians captured in, say, the Philippines) made the ones we put the Nisei into look like resorts.
But, again, U.S. citizens of Japanese descent aren't, simply because of that descent, connected to the abuses of the Imperial Japanese government, any more than Eisenhower was linked to German atrocities because of his ancestry.
And what the Nisei did for an ungrateful nation put us all to shame. Look up the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.
Wow, someone drew mean cartoons portraying the Japanese as evil.
Meanwhile, in Japan, they vivisected American prisoners of war.
Here's a crazy concept - sometimes the other side really is evil.
You might have missed the point that the 120,000 Japanese-Americans interned were not on "the other side."
America is a white Christian nation and anyone else is a perpetual foreigner.
People really didn't understand that they weren't on "the other side".
The Supreme Court even supported it. It was war and war often curtails freedom.
It was a bad policy and we have moved on. We wouldn't dare roundup officials from CAIR and put them in prison, even if they're constantly apologizing for the worse kind of Islamist.
Some of our best heros come with dirty underwear.
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My great-uncle only spoke once of what he experienced at the hands of the Japanese on Bataan and at Kinkaseki and I got to hear it. Pardon me if I don't really give a flying fuck that some racist cartoons were drawn of them by some children's author in the midst of the war they fucking started.
The Nisei didn't deserve what they got, and the racist depictions of them are fucked up, but the Japanese enemy were animals. That we just had mildly racist views of them and didn't execute every male of military age shows our magnanimous nature and that we were wholly better people at our worst.
And you Rothbardian/Richman "backlash" revisionist fucknuggets can go fuck yourselves with broken glass.
If views of the Japanese were only mildly racist, do you really think 120,000 people would have been deprived of property and liberty and put in internment camps just because they're ancestors were from Japan? Don't get me wrong, the US was nowhere near as bad as Japan was in WW2, but that's all the more reason not to whitewash the crimes and violations of liberty that the US was responsible for.
First:
But yeah, compared to slaughtering people by the fucking millions, with the Japanese military, effectively to the man, participating gleefully in the murder in the most depraved and inhuman ways imaginable (in ways not even bested by the worst depravities of the Nazis) due to Japanese beliefs of racial superiority, I'm gonna say our racist views were pretty fucking mild.
Which I wasn't doing, note bolded quote above.
But portraying an inhuman enemy as less than human (they demonstrably were) isn't a "crime." You pervert the very notion of what constitutes crime to think speech, no matter how ugly rises to the level of "crime." If anything, portraying them as beady-eyed conniving rats was itself mild when compared to their actual behavior.
their actual behavior
Who is "they"? What "behavior"? American-born children of Japanese ancestry were rounded up and put into concentration camps without trial or due process.
Haha... only mildly racist? And yet they were bayoneting pregnant Filipino and Chinese women to death.
Mildly racist... what ignorance.
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Diarect is directry rerated to race.
As a person of color and Asian American, I don't feel welcome among libertarians in the slightest. The internment of Japanese Americans, including children, into concentration camps by the US government without trial or due process was one of the clearest and most egregious violations of civil liberties in American history, and part of a longstanding racist and xenophobic position towards Asian Americans by the federal government. Knowing what libertarians supposedly stand for, I would think they would give a shit about this, but they obviously don't care about anyone other than themselves. White pride world wide, libertarians. Keep on digging your own grave.
What in the world are you talking about?
Perhaps you have too much yellow pride?
E pluribus unum... that's latin for check your race centric nonsense.
When I learned about the internment of Japanese Americans in my school history class, I was taught that the internments were a necessary evil, because it was a time of war, and Japan was going to try to use the Japanese Americans for sabotage and whatnot.
It wasn't until I became more libertarian that I learned how evil and despicable these internments really were. I have since wondered what I could do, if anything, if the Federal Government decided to pursue a similar course, some time in the future.
Incidentally, the only person in FDR's administration who opposed this was a Republican: J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI at the time.
Also, incidentally, at the time, the modern-day Libertarian movement would have been, at best, in its infancy, although I doubt that even then they would have accepted the internment of Japanese Americans without due process of law.
"As a person of color and Asian American, I don't feel welcome among libertarians in the slightest. " It is not enough that I be accepted as human. I must be accepted according to my racial identity or you do not accept me at at all!
And by the way, my progenitors have an equally long laundry list of grievances suffered at the hands of white people. I belong to several oppressed groups which endure discrimination to this day. Not only am every bit as much the victim as you are, but my penis is smaller. So I win the prize!