Fired Milwaukee Cop Cleared of Charges Related to Killing of Mentally Ill Man, Could Collect Generous Disability


A few months ago, Christopher Manney became the first officer in 45 years in Milwaukee to be fired as a result of a fatal on-duty shooting. He's appealed his termination (a notion that should be ridiculous on its face) to the Milwaukee Fire and Police Commission. Manney was also the first Wisconsin police officer whose shooting fell under a new law that requires outside agents to lead the investigation.
That investigation has now found Manney was justified in shooting the unarmed Dontre Hamilton 14 times after a scuffle began when Manney told Hamilton he couldn't sleep on a park bench. Two cops had previously responded to the call about Hamilton and determined he was posing no threat. Manney responded to the call without knowing other officers had previously gone there. Because he was not fired for killing Hamilton but for not following departmental procedures in engaging mentally ill individuals, the district attorney's decision not to press charges against Manney may not help him get his job back.
There are also issues with the way the more "independent" investigation mandated by state law actually went down: half the state agents, and the state's top investigator, were all former members of the Milwaukee Police Department.
His termination may not end Manney's financial relationship with Milwaukee's taxpayers either, as the Milwaukee Sentinel-Journal reports:
Manney also has applied for duty disability, saying the Red Arrow Park shooting and its aftermath resulted in severe post-traumatic stress disorder. He joins a growing number of officers suspected of misconduct who have applied for duty disability claiming debilitating stress, sometimes even citing the department's investigation or media coverage as the cause of that stress.
If approved, Manney's retirement — which would include about 75% of his salary, tax-free — will take precedence over his dismissal because he applied two days before he was fired.
Read the Journal's whole story on the rise of duty disability claims by cops embroiled in controversy here.
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So if I get found out as a fuck-up, can I get disability?
No names on the two pictures. Which one is the cop? Ah...reason you just exposed my internal racism. Thank you.
Or you could just, you know, read the alt text.
Kristen,
Perhaps straffinrun looked at the two pictures, compared the visages, judged the man on the left to appear more mentally ill than the man on the right, and concluded that the alt-text was reversed.
All joking aside, I know which one *looks* mentally ill.
I live by memes not alt text.
learn to alt-text?
Sorry, drunk last night. Lesson learned
Since when does a "scuffle" justify killing someone in self-defense?
Just what was this scuffle? Was the cop ever in any real danger of death or serious injury?
If Manney were just a concerned prole trying to get Hamilton to move from the bench to a shelter, would he have been justified in emptying a high-capacity magazine into they guy?
A morgue is a type of shelter!
I laughed and now I feel bad. You will be receiving a bill for my disability!
I know next to nothing about guns, so maybe this is a dumb comment, but if I found myself confronted with someone and I had a gun, I'd like to think I'd briefly stop shooting the guy after 5 or 6 shots to reassess the situation. Fourteen??!?
No kidding. And I bet after his magazine emptied he kept yanking on the trigger.
Cops are trained to empty their magazine and reassess after they reload.
and go home safe. don't forget the go home safe.
Can you imagine them with drum mags?
You'd think people who really believed they were targets in a war zone would be a little more judicious in their fire control.
I mean, since they are constantly at risk of being swarmed by hostile proles, burning through your ammo on one prole seems just ill-advised.
I was always taught, "one shot, one kill". But I only had to fight the HIG, Taliban, JAM and AQ....not Milwaukee homeless people! *shudder*
And then ask questions.
I shoot recreationally a bit, and I'd like to think I'd respond in a somewhat controlled manner, but with my adrenaline pumping, who knows?
But cops are supposed to be trained to handle dangerous situations in a calm and professional manner. That is what they are supposed to get paid for.
Fourteen rounds seems like a lot, but you'd be amazed how fast someone can shoot when they're caught in the grip of blind panic.
Police Departments with good UoF records tend to train their officers to shoot deliberately. It's a good policy, and not nearly as common as it should be.
I'd like to think I'd briefly stop shooting the guy after 5 or 6 shots to reassess the situation. Fourteen??!?
A member of the bigorati once again expresses his desire for the heroes in blue to slaughtered like dogs
/ Dumphy
Mr. Dean,
"... Milwaukee resident Dontre Hamilton was sleeping on a park bench when police Officer Christopher Manney, who had received a call asking that he make sure the man was all right, approached Hamilton and began to pat him down.
According to police officials, a scuffle ensued and Manney drew his weapon and shot 14 times, killing Hamilton."
http://www.theroot.com/article.....fired.html
Officer Manney claimed the man grabbed the police baton and struck Manney on the head and neck, although the autopsy indicated some of the shots came from above the victim and one from behind.
the autopsy indicated some of the shots came from above the victim and one from behind.
I knew the cop would lie about it, so I really wasn't interested in his story, but in whatever other evidence there might be.
Any confirmation of Officer Manney's injuries? Eh, I thought not.
According to Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn: "There's got to be a way for us to hold ourselves accountable absent putting cops in jail for making mistakes," he said, AP reports.
Apparently jail is only for us little folks...
We should put them on Double Secret probation.
If Manney were just a concerned prole trying to get Hamilton to move from the bench to a shelter, would he have been justified in emptying a high-capacity magazine into they guy?
That seems like a reasonable question to you and me because we think everyone has the right to enforce (just) laws, and that cops are just people that are paid to do that professionally. The car, the badge, the uniform--these are all just signals that identify them as professionals.
But a lot of people (I know some personally) believe that cops have a special privilege, conferred upon them by the state, that gives them the authority, if not the right, to do things that you and I can't do. And that privilege extends to the use of lethal force in situations that would get anyone else thrown in jail.
Oh boy, you've done it now. Next time a cop gets shot, you're going to have blood on your hands.
Like it or not, those people are correct.
Thank goodness this noble selfless hero won't starve.
Tell me again why these motherfuckers aren't enemy combatants in uniform.
Here's a reform idea (on disability abuse by cops and municipal employees generally):
Take an idea that has been used in policing Medicare fraud: Hire bounty hunters. For every case of disability fraud that they find, they get a percentage of the recovery/savings.
Sure, but imagine the politics
"___ is hiring bounty hunters to try to dig up dirt on our heroes!!!"
In related news.
Worst defense evar
Cleveland, where lowered expectations aren't just for football teams!
I seem to recall back in kindergarten, or maybe pre-school, my teachers telling us others' behavior was no excuse for our own bad behavior (hypothetically, of course. I was a perfect little angel).
Send police union bosses back to pre-school seems to be the answer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ended.html
Didn't say if he was suspended with or without pay, but I think we can assume it is with. What will happen after his paid vacation? Yeah. That's what I thought.
Funny how they left out the part where he was arrested on the spot by all those Good Cops on the force.
WHERE IS TODAY'S SERPICO?!?!?!
Read the Journal's whole story on the rise of duty disability claims by cops embroiled in controversy here.
Let me guess- the union routinely coaches its members on the multifarious ways the contract has been structured to enable these little "Easter eggs" to be gathered.
A cop neighbor of mine was on disability for over a year because he 'broke' a toe by tripping over a laundry basket in his garage.
Totally a hero.
Take an idea that has been used in policing Medicare fraud: Hire bounty hunters.
Alternatively, threaten to throw them into the Snake Pit.
$6370 , I didnt believe that my brother was realy earning money in there spare time at their computer. . there moms best frend had bean doing this for less than seventeen months and by now repayed the loans on their cottage and got a brand new Porsche 911 .
navigate to this site ==----==---- http://www.jobsfish.com
But I want an Aston-Martin.
Bounty hunting is a great example of where the private sector does things more efficiently than government and I have an ex cop friend runs a bail bonds agency . Lots of bail recovery agents are ex-copsand it's a great job for Expolice- fun and refreshingly private sector and efficient
Unlike public-sector law-Enforcement, bounty hunters are incentivised to do a better job and when they do a better job either by catching more bad guys or bigger bounties guys they get more pay and bonus incentives work as they always do in the free market by creating better more efficient product by incentivising doing better more efficient work which of course public law enforcement does not
Fwiw, some ultra liberal States criminalise bounty hunting eg ultra liberal Oregon
For those that plan to do a crime and then not face justice especially if it's just a misdemeanour organ the place to go since there is no bounty hunting and in most cases the cops are way too busy to hunt down misdemeanour warrants
Those donuts aren't going to eat themselves.
Krav Maga very effective in law enforcement and bounty hunting btw
It's not my specialty but I have a few friends who use it as their primary technique and I've seen it used very effectively in the field
Awesome stuff. Israel fucking rules. They invent so much amazing stuff
All the anticop bigots who falsely claim cops get away with force should look at the ROE's and case law both hunters have !
Ex cops who bounty hunt confirm that as a bail recovery agent use of force is WAY better in some respects as a BRA, and they don't have as many concerns about political winds getting them thrown under the bus for using legitimate force that would have gotten them proper fucked as a cop
EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU WORTHLESS, WRETCHED CUNT.
Once again the VRWC running Milwaukee protects its own.....
oh...wait....never mind.
The cop here is clearly not without fault, making numerous mistakes. But it is also pretty clear that Hamilton took the officer's baton and struck him with it.
That other officers were there earlier is irrelevant. That Hamilton was mentally unstable is irrelevant. Once someone attacks a cop, force, including deadly force, will be used.
And if you are relying on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for facts, you should look elsewhere. That is an agenda driven (drivel) newspaper. Facts don't matter; the narrative does.
The investigation belongs to a grand jury. An independent grand jury made up of citizens of the jurisdiction in which the alleged crime took place. The new law weakens citizen control.
About that. I was in a Krav Maga class taught by a police officer. We were doing gun disarms. He said to shoot the assailant after getting the gun. I asked him if that would be manslaughter. He hemmed and hawed for a moment and then when into better judged by twelve than carried by 6 and that his concern is making it home safely. He also mentioned stating that if asked then say that the gun went off. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I don't have qualified immunity.
And we have to buy our own bullets.
Ouch.
And he was a cop, so he didn't have to worry about the getting "judged by twelve" part.