San Diego Rapper, and Suspected Gang Member, Tiny Doo Faces Potential 25 Years in Prison Over Lyrics, Album Cover Depicting a Gun
The L.A. Times reports on the far frontiers of when laws barring conspiracy run into free expression:
Among the 15 suspected San Diego street-gang members charged in a string of shootings is Brandon Duncan, an aspiring rap singer.
Duncan, 33, who raps under the name Tiny Doo, is not accused of providing the guns or being present at the nine shootings that terrorized a neighborhood where the Lincoln Park gang has long used violence to protect its turf.
Instead, prosecutors are going after Duncan over something else: His latest album.
Entitled "No Safety," the album features a picture of a gun and bullets on the cover.
Prosecutors say that shows that Duncan fits the legal definition of a gang member who "willfully promotes, furthers, or assists in any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang."
Duncan is a documented gang member with a "gang moniker" of TD, according to the San Diego police….
Duncan's attorney, Brian Watkins, argues that the use of a 2000 law to include Duncan in the case is "absolutely unconstitutional" and a waste of taxpayers' money by the district attorney…..
"It's no different than Snoop Dogg or Tupac," he said. "It's telling the story of street life," with gritty details and obscenity-filled language.
"If we are trying to criminalize artistic expression, what's next, Brian De Palma and Al Pacino?" Watkins said after visiting with his client in county jail…..
Watkins made the same argument in San Diego County Superior Court. But a judge this week ordered Duncan and other defendants to stand trial….
….in court, Deputy Dist. Atty. Anthony Campagna noted of the case against Duncan, "We're not just talking about an album of anything, of love songs." The cover shows a revolver with bullets, Campagna told the judge.
Deanne Arthur, a lawyer in Watkins's office, guided me to the precise statute, 182.5, which reads in part:
any person who actively participates in any criminal street gang, as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 186.22, with knowledge that its members engage in or have engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity, as defined in subdivision (e) of Section 186.22, and who willfully promotes, furthers, assists, or benefits from any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang is guilty of conspiracy to commit that felony and may be punished as specified in subdivision (a) of Section 182.
So membership in the gang will be a necessary element the state will have to prove to hit him with the notion that his album constituted a crime as well.
ReasonTV reported on grand juries using rapping as evidence of crime:
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As evidence of a crime? Rapping IS a crime! AMIRITE
You are right, it is a crime, but the penalty is not 25 in prison. The penalty is being tied down for a week and made to listen to Jim Neighbors and Burl Ives albums over and over.
Faced with that most would just plead out and take the 25 years hard time.
"The penalty is being tied down for a week and made to listen to...Burl Ives albums over and over."
I told you! I told you I'd do it. I told you, but you wouldn't believe me! Damn your soul, I told you!
I can't believe people are so focused on this when they should be focused on other, more obvious gang-related crime.
I'm talking about, of course, juggalos.
Yes, burn them with fire.
It's the only way to be sure.
OT:
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BREAKING: St. Louis county prosecutor says preparing news conference to announce decision of grand jury in Michael Brown shooting.
And here. We. Go.
Oy. I predict.... no bill. minor disturbances, but not quite the Riotpocalypse some have predicted.
I think everyone would be shocked if it was anything but a no bill. I do think there will be some rioting though. Not quite LA 1992 levels as some have thought, but there's definitely going to be rioting.
I guess prosecutors just don't have enough excuses to throw young black men in jail anymore.
This reads like a sci-fi parody of a dystopian government -- almost checked for an April 1st date.
It is the People's Republic of Kalifornia man. No Sci-Fi parody can come close.
I remind you of this:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/10.....the-man-ca
Fiona Ma - "We found out the constitution doesn't allow us to ban certain kinds of music."
Yes it does. After I read it, I had to ask my self, "Am I part of a street gang? Can I prove that I'm not?"
I did organize the block bbq last year, so maybe I'll be in jail next. Fraternizing with your neighbors is subversive after all.
And you lived on a street, didn't you?
Oh my god. How did you know that?!
Prosecutors say that shows that Duncan fits the legal definition of a gang member who "willfully promotes, furthers, or assists in any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang."
This applies to every cop in America
Money Making Idea: white gangsta rapper who's persona is a corrupt cop and whose songs are all about preying on the general public
Da B.A.D. Loutennet
Officer Hostile
Five-Oh
White Piggy G
S.W.A.T (if we are going to have a group instead of an individual)
MC Puppykill
Deputy Dist. Atty. Anthony Campagna noted of the case against Duncan, "We're not just talking about an album of anything, of love songs." The cover shows a revolver with bullets, Campagna told the judge.
For this he should be disbarred, fired and forbidden fire or water within 400 miles of that courthouse.
It's times like these where I start to think that banishment may be an appropriate punishment once again.
There's a reason entertainers used to have to sleep outside the walls of the city.
Ah, the good old days...
Wolves and bears gotta eat too.
*spits toward spitoon, resumes whittling*
I would think it's preferable to dismiss charges and forego one indictment than to waste resources looking stupid in court.
"Tiny Doo"?
The surest sign of how screwed up the music industry is would be the increasingly ridiculous made-up names they give themselves.
Its a little shitty, but not worth all the fuss.
You are thinking of the famous homosexual prostitute, "Poo Bear".
Scrappy Doo was already taken.
I think that is pretty far down the list of signs that the music industry is screwed up.
Ken White had a good legal overview of how constitutionally absurd this charge is: http://www.popehat.com/2014/11.....out-gangs/
Let's see. Um, he made money off this crap that was based upon gang activity. So.... Commerce Clause? I mean, there was commerce, right? Commerce Clause SMASH 1A!
If hate speech is a crime, then this is too.
Just sayin'
Well, if hate speech can be a crime, then this can be too. But someone has to pass the law first.
Fuck 'em. It's not right, but I have no sympathy for those who write about life in the inner-city glorify the gang culture of death.
And PS for that piece of shit bo, I oppose the death penalty.
Exhibit A as to why the justice system in this country is so messed up.
Under this law, large portions of the LA County Sheriff's department are guilty too.
In related news, there are rappers from San Diego, apparently.
In USSA, speech is crime too!