Tonight on The Independents: Obama's Executive Action Play, Jared Polis on Pelosi & NSA, John Stossel on Jon Gruber, U.S. Continues to Plummet, Drinking Your own Pee, and Two Minutes Hate

Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later), she is good. Here's some red meat for ya:

* Libertarian TV icon John Stossel talks Jonathan Gruber.

* Party Panelists John Tierney (beloved New York Times science writer) and Mike Baker (ex-CIA rager) react to President Barack Obama's announcement that he'll be unveiling some executive action on immigration tomorrow night. The two will also discuss Al Sharpton's unpaid taxes and San Diego's landmark sewage-treatment policies for combating the California drought.

* Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), many libertarians' favorite Democrat in Congress, tries to defend the leadership re-election of Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), talks about the NSA-reform challenges post-USA Freedom Act, and uncorks an interesting answer about who he'd vote for in a Rand vs. Hillary election.

* Fox Human Resources scold Bernie Maxsmith is back with Two Minutes Hate, featuring some of the choicest insults from you, the beloved Hit & Run commenters.

Other topics being discussed include America's stubbornly persistent numerical decline, the sheer awfulness of new key GOP congressional leaders, lumbersexuals vs. metrosexuals, and more.

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[Grand Moff Serious Man]

* Fox Human Resources scold Bernie Maxsmith is back with Two Minutes Hate, featuring some of the choicest insults from you, the beloved Hit & Run commenters.

The absence of insults from me is an insult. Because I stopped watching.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I was going to watch The Independents, but then I got high.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What, no LLcool Fish or whatever his name is?

[Heroic Mulatto]

You keep hatin' on Afroman and I will drop the JJ Ice Fish bomb.

Because I'm crazy as fuck.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I don't think Reason is ready for JJ Ice Fish.

[np]

Where is Stossel's monocle?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"Lumbersexuals vs. metrosexuals, and more."

There's more?

Please no.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I totally can't relate to the way young guys dress today. Really, erm, feminine.

[Paul.]

Beta is the new Alpha.

[John Quincy Addingmachine]

Lumbersexuals' whiskers are wider than their cats' whiskers. Metrosexuals', not so much.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The 'O' in Reason should be a monocle.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Amanda Marcotte vs. Reason (the magazine)

Come for the anti-libertarian rage, stay for the derp in the comments.

[Irish]

I refuse to read that. I'm just not going to. You can't make me.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

We're the best commenters in the world.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I'm fascinated that she apparently was outraged at Soave for implying that Valenti thinks rape jokes cause rape. Because curiously she's aware of how insane that sounds.

Valenti literally said in her indignant response to Gillespie on Twitter that rape jokes "give rapists license to rape."

Isn't that tantamount to saying rape jokes create rape culture which causes rape?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Soave is an excellent Italian white wine.

[Irish]

Valenti's twitter rant was fucking hilarious. She started off by claiming it was an unfair representation of her views, then said 'I don't think jokes cause rape, I think they prop up rape culture.'

But the point of this rape culture nonsense is that it ALLEGEDLY CAUSES RAPE. She's therefore explicitly saying that jokes cause rape culture and rape culture causes rape, hence jokes cause rape.

She's so fucking stupid she can't even follow her own arguments and is apparently unaware of the existence of the transitive property.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rape jokes don't cause rape but we can reduce rape by cracking down on rape jokes and language.

What other things can we extrapolate from that logic? Let's see:

Tom & Jerry promotes the mutilation of cats. What kind of sick fuck laughs at a cat having a steam iron dropped on his head?

Wily E. Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons promotes violence towards desert canines

South Park promotes the idea that you can kill the parents of your enemy and cook them into chili

[gaoxiaen]

Itchy and Scratchy Marge.

[gaoxiaen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA50fz9ZWE0

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Valenti is not an excellent Italian white wine.

[Irish]

He was a very shitty head of the MPAA though.

[KLafayette]

Well, you see, logic is inherently violently masculine, so fuck your patriarchal transitive property.

It depresses me that these ideas are seriously entertained in the cultural discourse nowadays, particularly among my generation. This shit is ushering in a new Dark Age.

[BuSab Agent]

If I accept that premise, what does that say about Mel Brooks' body of works?

[Pro Libertate]

That you do not, in fact, need any stinkin' badges.

[Heroic Mulatto]

NO!

[Wasteland Wanderer]

Heroic Mulatto was going to post a working link, but he got high.

He wasn't going to fuck that shit up like Sugarfree, but he got high.

Now the link don't work, and I know why. Because he got high, because he got high, because he got high.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"For people who think they're smarter than everyone else, libertarians sure can be narrow-minded, simplistic thinkers."

/pounds table laughing.

I stopped there.

[Irish]

Come on. Amanda Marcotte is such a serious thinker that she obviously is way brighter than we are.

I was an early adopter of Twitter, getting an account in 2007. I quickly fell in love with the service and how it dumped a constant stream of interesting information, insightful comments and jokes into my life. I particularly enjoyed the ease with which I could tweet at someone I didn't know and, with the "mentions" feed, get feedback on my work from smart people all around the world.

All of which is why I'm saddened to realize that it's time to permanently delete my mentions feed and give up looking at anyone tweeting @AmandaMarcotte. While there are still plenty of people who tweet at me with helpful comments and thoughtful opinions, including people who disagree with me, in the past few months (years?), most of what I get is harassment from users harboring a bilious hatred of feminists. Or, sometimes, just a hatred of me, a person they do not know.

It's like reading a mixture of Shakespeare and Aristotle, only with a pornographic sensibility that I find most...alluring.

[anon]

I quickly fell in love with the service and how it dumped a constant stream of interesting information, insightful comments and jokes into my life.

Is this sarcastic? Cause holy shit, I have *never* seen a constant stream of "interesting information" or "insightful comments" on fucking twatter.

[MJGreen]

Or, sometimes, just a hatred of me, a person they do not know.

The nerve! Only a monster would do such a thing! Marcotte is far more civilized.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I think this just about covers it:

Mighty_Ponygirl ? 7 hours ago
Well, of course culture can't shape you, if you're a libertarian, because you've bought into the myth of Personal Responsibility and Free Will so completely that every action you take, from putting on pants before leaving the house to calling your mom on her birthday to shaving is all done 100% conscientiously, as a positive affirmation of your identity.

God it must be exhausting to be a libertarian, to approach every life decision and interaction with a tabula rasa understanding of culture and context, and to deliberate every choice you make against your Ultimate Personal Sense of Self.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/pounds table laughing.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Better than framing every choice within the context of being a furry.

[Irish]

That is so fucking ridiculous I don't even know what to say. This coming from the people who obsess over a man's fucking shirt to the extent that it ruins the moment when humanity first landed on a comet.

[Paul.]

He didn't land that.

[anon]

Oh my god, all that work of Personal Responsibility & Free Will & shit.

Fuck that shit, I want free birth control!

/ponygirl

[gaoxiaen]

Birth control should be free and mandatory.

[anon]

Birth control should be free and mandatory.

Emphasis added in case there was any confusion.

[bostonaod]

it's projection all the way down

[John Titor]

Apparently you people aren't libertarians, you're masochists.

[anon]

That's just now becoming evident?

[ProLifeLibertarian]

I was about to go to sleep when I saw this link and actually read it.

Way to ruin my night.

[ProLifeLibertarian]

"Dealing with liars is very tiring, y'all."

You're telling me.

[ProLifeLibertarian]

And now I read the comments section.

The highlight was hearing someone say that open borders and not bombing the Middle East are liberal ideas.

Please, tell me more about how Obama got rid of the U.S. drone program.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Lumbersexuals??? I had to cut down my lightning tree last week but I managed to not have sex with it.

[BuSab Agent]

I once knew a guy with a plywood fetish.

[Mitch Connor]

Do you people ever wonder Why didn't the republicans in the 8 year term they had never ever deported all of the illegal aliens?
Let me explain:

1. Republicans represent commercial Interests
2. Illegal Aliens work for below the going rate in just about everything they do.
3. Companies don't have to pay payroll taxes nor do they have to offer benefits, paid vacations, comply with labor laws, etc. etc. etc.
4. By having an illegal population, the median salary of the labor the illegals do goes DOWN for the Americans.
5. In the meantime, the Republicans use the RACIST WHITE nature to direct Anger at the Mexican and not to them or the Employer that hires the illegal.

So, it's in the Republican's and Company's BEST interest to keep the Illegals here and to occasional deport a few and to KEEP THEM illegal as once they are LEGAL, companies must comply with Labor Laws.

In the meantime, the republicans and the commercial interests use the RACIST in America as STOOGES

he Biggest Benefactor of having Illegals Here and having No Legal status is COMPANIES and the RICH. And, of course the middle-to-upper-middle that Hire Consuella to clean the House and Jose to Mow the Lawn.

Once Legal, these people will pay taxes and FICA, making the Gob-Mint Richer. A big no-no for libertarians.

[John Quincy Addingmachine]

Psst, I have a pallet load of industrial strength tinfoil I don't need. Contact me on craigslist if you are interested.

[John Titor]

Holy shit, you're legitimately this stupid, aren't you? I mean, um, I've got a lovely time share you may be interested in.

[sasob]

5. In the meantime, the Republicans use the RACIST WHITE nature to direct Anger at the Mexican and not to them or the Employer that hires the illegal.

Hm. So whites are racist by nature? Interesting. Are Asians sneaky by nature? How about blacks - are they just dumb or lazy by nature? What about "Mexicans" - what are they by "nature"?

[Cowboy]

The worst: Dallas Cowboys fans.

[KLafayette]

tl;dr: Boohoohoo, brown people have the moral agency to freely contract with others to sell their labor!

[Irish]

Do you people ever wonder Why didn't the republicans in the 8 year term they had never ever deported all of the illegal aliens?

I thought it was because there were like 20 million of them and there was no way to do this.

he Biggest Benefactor of having Illegals Here and having No Legal status is COMPANIES and the RICH. And, of course the middle-to-upper-middle that Hire Consuella to clean the House and Jose to Mow the Lawn.

I like that you capitalize random letters. It's whimsical.

[Mot?rSteve]

Lumbersexuals? I'll keep my eyes peeled on my next trip to the Home Depot for any hanky-panky in the lumber aisles.

[GILMORE]

"Mike Baker (ex-CIA rager)"

Things I imagine Mike Baker saying...

"You know, when they say 'a man was beaten to death'... it actually usually means 'kicked to death'... Wouldn't guess that, right?... see, arms... get tired way too fast... common misconception, really.... you learn these sort of things in 'the business', you know... one time, at 'The Farm'..."

[Buddy Bizarre]

Nailed it.

[GILMORE]

"President Barack Obama's announcement that he'll be unveiling some executive action on immigration"

Oh, he only announced his announcement? i thought that was happening tonight.

Fuck this guy. he couldn't just keep it out of prime time? There... might be a game on or something. Or something on the history channel about Hitler.

[sasob]

There was a neat show on PbS last night about Hitler and the King Edward who gave up his throne. Apparently a nazi sympathizer.

[Sevo]

sasob|11.19.14 @ 11:00PM|#
"There was a neat show on PbS last night about Hitler and the King Edward who gave up his throne. Apparently a nazi sympathizer."

Yep, and an ignoramus besides. They shipped him off to Bermuda so he didn't inadvertently give away secrets. He could blather all day long on the island; there were no spies there.
His wife was no mental giant either.

[Old Man With Candy]

Don't be dissin' Bawlamer girls, hon.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS LET'S GET TOGETHER YEAH, YEAH, YEAH!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Rolling Stones!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yep.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I love it that Gruber has become the new wingnut boogeyman for calling the electorate "stupid".

[Sevo]

Palin's Buttplug|11.19.14 @ 8:56PM|#
"I love it that Gruber has become the new wingnut boogeyman for calling the electorate "stupid"."

Well, it wasn't the entire electorate, turd. It was you and your buddies.
Most of us didn't buy a bit of it, unlike ignoramuses like you.

[Palin's Buttplug]

No. I happen to know that car insurance is all about the healthy drivers paying for the bad drivers. Same in health insurance.

[GILMORE]

Now you're just making fun of yourself.

[Sevo]

Palin's Buttplug|11.19.14 @ 9:13PM|#
"No. I happen to know that car insurance is all about the healthy drivers paying for the bad drivers. Same in health insurance."

Right. That's the reason every driver pays the same amount!
Hey, we're in the company of a financial wizard!
Fuck off, turd; you swallowed the lies and repeated them here. Now you're lying about being a fucking mark, hooked by your fave lying POS.

[anon]

Thank you, Sevo. I didn't see PB's post, and the laughter it brought me today was much needed.

[Sevo]

You're certainly welcome, but turd is 'fish in a barrel' right now. He's in the same position as Tony; incapable of independent thought, ad-libbing, vamping, waiting for the 'father figure' to deliver the script. And the 'father figure' is blowing it off!
...Leaving turd and Tony delivering the pathetic excuses we're seeing.

[PapayaSF]

Zing!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: HATE!

[Irish]

Other topics being discussed include America's stubbornly persistent numerical decline, the sheer awfulness of new key GOP congressional leaders, lumbersexuals vs. metrosexuals, and more.

Hey guys, I don't know how you can complain about America's decline when one time we had slavery. Is our decline worse than slavery? Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

You had slavery AND killed Indians.

[Winston]

The NSA and the Drug War aren't slavery so why are libertarians so mad about them?

[anon]

The NSA and the Drug War aren't slavery so why are libertarians so mad about them?

Because we lost the war for indentured servitude?

[Heroic Mulatto]

the Drug War [isn't] slavery

Someone didn't watch TV in the early 90s

[GILMORE]

"lumbersexuals vs. metrosexuals"

What horseshit.

'metrosexuals' was 90s urban heterosexual men who got into things like going to spas, getting their ass waxed, using 3 kinds of skin cream, wearing designer underwear, etc.... even though they weren't gay.

'lumbersexuals'? I can only imagine they're the current bearded beta-boys who live in Brooklyn and could be gay or straight depending on whichever requires less work.

I don't find anything about them particularly 'sexual'. I mean (trigger warning = have a strong stomach)... this... i wouldn't clean my toilet with that person wrapped around a stick

[Palin's Buttplug]

Duck Dynasty chic. It's new.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Lumbersexual

A Metro-sexual who has the need to hold on to some outdoor based rugged-ness, thus opting to keep a finely trimmed beard.

George Michael is a total lumbersexual.
Yeah man, so is Don Johnson.

[KLafayette]

Bingo. Why must the "-sexual" suffix be tacked on to every male fashion trend du jour that has absolutely fuck-all to do with sexuality? It's like men can't make any aesthetic choice without the unstated implication that their style preferences are somehow associated with how or with whom they use their dicks.

[Matt Welch]

Dreamcatchers!

[Heroic Mulatto]

INSIDER TRADING!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Total sausagefest.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Cavuto wouldn't lend out his harem.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't care for the chalk stripe suit. There I said it.

[GILMORE]

Jesus, baker looks like he's an extra from Death of a Salesman. Chalkstripes AND a paisley tie? Wrong and wrong. British people can do the 'gaudy suit' thing; cliche ex-CIA guys should stick to cliche boxy cop-suits.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Still better than Kmele Forrest Gump-ing his collar.

Hey, Kmele! Are you currently playing jug with the Carolina Chocolate Drops? No? Then either unbutton your fucking shirt collar or put on a damn tie.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ha! I was gonna make a comment about that.

[GILMORE]

I think with a sweater its perfectly fine.

i liked it less w/ a jacket.

Didn't he wear an ascot once in the spring? The dude does like to try 'everything'

[Heroic Mulatto]

With something like a cardigan, maybe. I'll admit to having done that before.

When you put on a sportcoat, it's too awkward looking. I think it makes you look like a rube. Which is the complete opposite of the ascot, which, for most, comes of as affectatious pretension. Though Kmele managed it with aplomb.

[Atanarjuat]

Wow, the NYT has a self-described libertarian on their staff.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I think he'll be let go soon.

[Libertarian]

"self described" is the only kind they'll ever have

[Paul.]

So they hired Bill Maher?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Where's Kennedy's crystal ball?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Obama to the GOP: Come at me bro

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kmele Foster: Pollyannaism incarnate.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's a slap in Welch's wife's face!

[Atanarjuat]

"Pi?ata of Hysteria"...great band name.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Does Maxsmith not realize he's being recorded? He's discussing confidential HR business!

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 19 November 2014

Real Americans-Edition

- Kennedy: Black T-shirt. ...
...
...
Well, i do like the lipstick. Dreamcatchers don't really help.

- Matt: Blue on Blue newness? First showing of a darker blue shirt from Matt. We normally prefer the 'blue x3' thing to have more distinct differences in shade (e.g. navy suit, sky shirt, royal tie), but this isn't bad - particular as a new kind of variation. People do this same formula sometimes with different colors as well (grey shirt, silver tie; cream shirt, light gold-ish tie). It does works as a style alternative to the PowerSuit for a TV host.

- Kmele: Hey - something we actually really like w/ the multicolor plaids. We were iffy on the "Boyd Crowder" (sportcoat, plaid shirt, buttoned to neck, no tie) but this is pretty cool as a 'preppie' kind of style reference. It almost wants a little alligator on the V-neck. We draw the line, however, at things like 'school crests'. Fuck that Hilfiger garbage.

Danke sch?n

[Atanarjuat]

Kennedy's lipstick AND dreamcatchers are hawt.

School crests give me douche-chills.

[Matt Welch]

Hearing this Attire Review summarized/translated to my French mother-in-law stands as a top-10 Indies viewing moment for me.

[GILMORE]

I don't know what disturbs me more = that this stuff is actually being read by someone, somewhere... or that you watch yourself on TV every night with your mother in-law.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The accumulated a lot of wisdom and even more graft.

[Derpetologist]

For a change of pace, here is some rightwing derp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U

[anon]

It's obviously a messaging problem.

I mean, Obama didn't explain it well enough.

[Paul.]

He explained it fine, Gruber has proven we just don't get it.

[anon]

"I'm not trying to get you to badmouth your party, but could you badmouth your party?"

[Francisco d'Anconia]

He IS badmouthing his party. A democrat I could have a beer with.

[anon]

Maybe, but it's fucking freezing here, there's no way in hell I'm going to Colorado to do it.

[GILMORE]

Jared Polis is an actual congressman? He looks like a middle-aged stoner.

[Matt Welch]

Perhaps not mutually exclusive?

[GILMORE]

touch?, Mssr Welch

to be fair = i think most of my friends fit into that category as well.

[The_Millenial]

I think we'd be better off if most of our politicians were like that. Do you think Lindsey Graham would still piss his bed every night or Harry Reid would be so annoying if they both were stoned out of their minds on a regular basis?

[GILMORE]

You don't know enough middle aged stoners. It doesn't make people who are already assholes 'different'.

Neither do name changes, fwiw

[The_Millenial]

I don't know many middle aged stoners, but I couldn't imagine those two getting any worse. In any case, they are both beyond middle age. Reid definitely is haha.

What are you implying?...

[John Titor]

As Bill Cosby put it (about cocaine, paraphrased): "My friend says all it does is make your personality more extreme. But what if you're an asshole?"

[The_Millenial]

Or potentially a rapist...?

[John Titor]

Coke dick is a legitimate thing, so I think that may actively prevent rape. Hmmm...this is why I shouldn't be allowed to manage a university sexual assault policy.

[The_Millenial]

Pat O'Brien vehemently disagrees

[anon]

All I heard was we need more cocaine.

[KLafayette]

In fact, I'd go so far as to say one's drug-using behavior is a fairly strong predictor of (sober) personality -- e.g. Obama's notorious bogarting and you-didn't-hit-it-right-so-you-owe-me-the-blunt petulance.

[anon]

Even with "checks and balances," giving people power over you & your life is generally bad.

[Derpetologist]

A good politician never answers the question asked- they answer the question they wish they had been asked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA

[Sevo]

Customer: 'Is it a 6 or a V8?'
Used car salesman: 'Yes! Yes it is!'

[anon]

I want to know how North Koreans feel about their freedom though.

[Sevo]

If the Norks had any, they'd have feelings about it!

[anon]

Does that rank them #1 or below #21 though?

I think it should probably be obvious that it's #1.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Norway. Please.

[Winston]

So what is Reason's position of Obama's EO on immigration? Does Reason support principles instead of principals or are they unprincipled hacks like the Democrats and Republicans?

[anon]

A leader taking decisive unilateral action without approval of congress/the people... what could possibly go wrong?

[GILMORE]

?

I'd guess if and when they comment on it, the net-net would be similar to my own opinion

- We do need comprehensive immigration reform
- this isn't it
- its a complete abuse of power
- you can't force legislation via executive action and this isn't at all serving to achieve a 'better policy', and instead serves to simply create grounds for years of hyperventilating partisan bitch-fights which will not get us towards improving the status quo, and probably increases the risk of making things worse.

or not, who knows.

[anon]

I agree. Also, sets the precedent for the next president (whoever it is) to just revoke the "granted" citizenship... which basically means laws don't matter anymore.

[GILMORE]

As far as i understand, the planned 'executive order' isn't going to provide anything in the way of 'a path to citizenship', but rather tells immigration officials 'not to enforce' deportations against illegals who have children. (Ankerbabees) I think there is also a provision to grant them expedited green cards, which, as far as i understand it, they could be eligible for anyway, but do not pursue out of fears about the deportation thing (under current law, they'd have to 'leave and re-apply' or something?)

[Heroic Mulatto]

So a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?

[GILMORE]

from what little I've read/heard, the actual details of what he plans only affects a 3-4 million people (out of a guesstimated 13m illegals) and doesn't change existing law but rather changes 'enforcement' priority.

The significance is it throws a ball into the GOP court to try and force them to bring legislation that changes the status quo - most likely to 'undo' his approach, and thus look like dicks.

This is my very superficial understanding of the thing

[Heroic Mulatto]

and thus look like dicks

To whom? Perceived anti-immigrant sentiment is at a higher level than it has been for some time. And it gives the GOP a chance to look like it's getting something done in the "figh back" against Obama.

[anon]

Oh my fucking god. Please don't let "FIGHT BACK!" be the GOP's new theme.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Unfortunately, from the various stump speeches I've heard from their candidates across the country this past election, it seems to be.

[John Titor]

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH.

[GILMORE]

to the dreaded 'millenials' and minorities

I also think that any legislation that the GOP tries to pass will be the subject of such intense fighting that it will tarnish a lot of GOP contenders for failing to be 'Sekure the Border!' enough. See what happened the last time they tried it. it blew up in their face because they actually tried to be 'quasi reasonable'

[anon]

(under current law, they'd have to 'leave and re-apply' or something?)

They have to go back to the border and re-enter, but it's really a formality.

As far as the rest goes, that's about exactly like rule by man instead of rule by law.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think our current immigration system (if you could even call it that) works. I also think that everyone's better off when people are free, including freedom to move; I just think the only way to guarantee freedoms is through the rule of law over the rule of man.

[anon]

WE'RE MURIKANZ!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Republicans lie?

Shocked, I am.

[anon]

No way. I've never seen evidence of this occurring, EVER.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Everybody wants to live like they wanna live and
Everybody wants to love like they wanna love and

Everybody wants to be closer to free.

You're welcome.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Have I mentioned I like Stossel?

[Fist of Etiquette]

OMG WHAT AM I SEEING??? NEW COMMERCIALS???

[Fist of Etiquette]

I love the smell of Bengay in the morning.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Let that be your last bamboo field.

[anon]

I'm not sure the "lumbersexual" is a real thing.

[The_Millenial]

Oh really

[anon]

Kennedy's very deep scientific study reveals that Europeans are gay.

[Atanarjuat]

FWIW, there are a lot of young guys with close beards at my college. Myself included currently.

[Derpetologist]

Remember when?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA

[Irish]

That went in a strange direction very quickly. I didn't see the 'gays' thing coming.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Gas fight!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Isn't there a third choice?

[anon]

Suicide.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Bureaucratisexual?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Huh? Don't they speak French in Belgium?

[Heroic Mulatto]

-1 Flanders

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Walloons v. Flemish.

[Sevo]

Not to hear the Flemish tell it. Nor the French.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Is it over? Can I stop self-mutilating now?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bernie's going to have black stool.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ironic, as their inventory isn't all that well displayed.

[GILMORE]

side note =

Bernie's blue suit with the gold tie? A+

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Chicks like the Metros because the Lumbersexuals havent been properly emasculated. Throws a wrench in the pussification of the American male plan.

[anon]

"Owe no *current* taxes."

[Sevo]

'Gruber was not part of the administration'

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sharpton angling for an appointment to the Obama Administration.

[anon]

KMELE, YOU FUCKING RACIST! Why do you hate Al Sharpton!?

[anon]

Bo Spanky sounds like a company I might actually buy something from though.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This where Ebola comes from!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Might want to consider building some reservoirs.

[Atanarjuat]

NYT libertarian is opposed to all recycling, except pee. *swoons*

[anon]

It's nice to think that Al Sharpton is probably drinking my piss.

[Derpetologist]

Michele Bachmann & a very bored black kid:

http://youtu.be/aDUp447__ok?t=3m40s

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Michelle has that look. You know the look. 'You're not fucking me hard enough.'

[anon]

Duh, her husband's gay.

[BigT]

Was he gay before the wedding?

[anon]

Honestly, I'm not sure. I vaguely remembering him "turning" straight through Christianity or some equally retarded bullshit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"When we colonize space..."

Get a load of Newt Gingrich over here.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

OR...build some dams.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Grooooooo-BERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/Louie DePalma growl.

[anon]

Please remind me to never ever use Lincoln Financial for anything in my life, ever.

[Derpetologist]

Did someone say Gingrich?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2wkBucLej8

[Sevo]

No! No one said that. Just no.

[Derpetologist]

Joss Whedon, progderp virtuoso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo

[NotAnotherSkippy]

And yet he made Firefly. Maybe he's the next Andy Kaufman...

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stossel and Kennedy: Cosplay enthusiasts.

[anon]

I'd buy that porno.

[The_Millenial]

You'd buy a porno?

[anon]

That one in particular? Yes.

[The_Millenial]

IMO, still just worth a download/torrent.

[GILMORE]

"I mean, this is *crazy!* (rolls eyes, plays with prop)"
- Stossell

[Fist of Etiquette]

Give me a break.

[anon]

It's not that people are dumb, it's that people were deliberately lied to, and since they're all TEAM PLAYERS they bought it.

[Atanarjuat]

When I was a kid, I got Stossel and the guy from Magnum, P.I. confused.

[GILMORE]

No, they're both characters played by Tom Selleck. He's hoping this "Stossell" thing will finally get him the lifetime Oscar award.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Geraldo Rivera?

[Fist of Etiquette]

A CRT monitor? HR gets the worst equipment because their function could be handled by passing out a handbook.

[BigT]

Bernie's day-glo green phone !!

[Matt Welch]

SOMEBODY HERE IS ABOUT TO GET READ ON TELEVISION!!!!

[anon]

Great. Feed the narcissism. What could go wrong?

[Buddy Bizarre]

There will be egos the size of Langdon Cobb's.

[John Titor]

Pfft, yeah, on a third rate FOX Business show. Internet famous is better than that.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Spoiler alert. I bet it's Gilmore.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Bernie is hilarious.

[BigT]

Green tie and corduroy coat?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well said.

[Derpetologist]

Can you tell who is more popular with the USMC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw

[Irish]

Can someone please explain to me how Tony can square this argument from the Obamacare article:

Sure it is. As long as there is a concerted effort to collapse your presidency no matter the cost, obfuscation is very much an important part of making policy.

Gruber's only problem is that he's not a politician and thus says things bluntly. But no matter what he or Obama said, the law does what it does, and the American people don't have the first fucking clue what that is. And that's not because proponents of the law lied to them.

with his alleged love of majoritarian Democracy? If the public is actively lied to about what laws entail, then they clearly are not capable of making informed democratic choices as the information they have available is inaccurate.

He is such a vile piece of shit. I've never met a human being more sickening than Tony. I'm surprised he can type here given how much time he probably spends down at the local IRS office sucking the black off the boots of some random bureaucrat.

[Derpetologist]

He's a govt worker. That means he doesn't work.

[sasob]

What's doing spending so much time here? What is he - a government spy or something?

[John Titor]

He apparently thinks backroom deals are fine too. The closest I can come up with is that Americans have a right to vote for the President, but after that they have to shut up and accept everything he does universally for the next four years. Unless he's Republican I guess.

[anon]

Tony frequently confuses backroom deals with backdoor deals.

[Sevo]

Irish, there is no consistent thought involved in that statement.
I'm pretty sure it can be best understood as: "I got suckered, but I'm still a bleever and I'll throw shit at the wall in the hopes something sticks!"
A 'concerted effort to collapse the presidency' for example; isn't that what Tony did when Bush was POTUS? Does that now qualify as an excuse for Bush's lies?
Independent thought is not one of his skills. If Obo (or whatever daddy figure is instantly appropriate) isn't telling him what to think, he's sorta stuck. Hence the word salad.

[Irish]

I'm sure Tony would have found this argument reasonable regarding the Iraq War:

Sure it is. As long as there is a concerted effort to collapse your presidency no matter the cost, obfuscation is very much an important part of making policy.

Paul Wolfowitz' only problem is that he's not a politician and thus says things bluntly. But no matter what he or Bush said, the war does what it does, and the American people don't have the first fucking clue what that is. And that's not because proponents of the war lied to them.

[Sevo]

Obviously he wouldn't, since consistency is no more to his advantage than is independent thought.
The man is flat dishonest. I swear at him as it is as good a response to such mendacity as any other; there is no possibility that honest argument can affect his views.
He is a religious bleever; nothing more, nothing less.

[sasob]

Perfect. Lol.

[sasob]

I meant perfect concerning what Irish said, but also what you said.

[GILMORE]

Ouch.

This is not the Bernie i saw in the breaks. I am disappoint.

Also, i'm not proud of my 2m hate scores that involve 'kennedy's colonics'

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yeah, I'd love to see a bunch of short clips along the lines of those interstitials.

[GILMORE]

+1 for use of the term, 'intersitials'

[Buddy Bizarre]

Thanks. I wasn't sure if it was the right word to use & took a leap.

[GILMORE]

I dont remember in what context i used to use that term... i think it might have been a screenwriting class i took.... or maybe scott mcCloud's "understanding comics" (great book btw)

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah I thought that sounded familiar.

[Atanarjuat]

Double Fist!!!

[anon]

Double Fist. Nuf said.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

DOUBLE FIST? Really Welch?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why does everyone take my name as something sexual. GET YOUR MINDS OUT OF THE GUTTER.

[The_Millenial]

Life is more fun that way. Maybe, you just like to have a drink in each hand though.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I'd probably get labeled as "Reason Message Board". I'm sure the FCC fines you for saying "mulatto" on TV, nowadays.

[GILMORE]

FUCK ITS DOBBS!

[GILMORE]

Sorry, was going to say, "they'd get around the FCC ban by pretending its like a moccachino. like a "moo-latte"

[Heroic Mulatto]

Which is pretty much the color of my complexion when I have a summer tan. In winter it fades to cafe au lait.

Just saying.

[anon]

I don't know what any of that means.

Does that make me a lumbersexual?

[GILMORE]

Do trees make you horny?

[anon]

No, but I do get wood.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I think many lumberjacks speak French.

So, no. You're safe.

[anon]

Oh fuck you, you fucking fuck. That song is never going to get out of my head.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Let me help you with that.

You can thank me later.

[Suthenboy]

Goddammit

[GILMORE]

"Heroic Mulatto|11.19.14 @ 10:09PM|#

Which is pretty much the color of my complexion when I have a summer tan"

which is funny. I used to have a deli on the way to work where i'd get coffee and a bagel, and me and the people there had a joke about ordering coffee. I was once given too much milk and i came back in and said, "Sorry - i ordered a Shaquille O'Neal, and you gave me Rick Fox" They loved that.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Heh. A "Shaq" should totally be the name of a coffee.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Irish]

I don't know how a Rick Perry video got posted upthread and it's not this one.

[The_Millenial]

That should be the trailer for the last Hobbit movie.

[Derpetologist]

Damn, no me in the 2 min h8?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

We can't all be winners.

[anon]

"Things I can do with my lawful authority as President:"

1: Jack
2: Shit

[anon]

"Things I can do because FYTW:"
1: Everything.

[Libertarian]

From the land of sky blue waters, a Warren video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83xxWCel8g

[Derpetologist]

How did this not get more attention?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7ZQh3efzU

[Heroic Mulatto]

Fuck, he got more views for this.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I just realized they're going to get sued by Red Bull. And possibly Kindle.

[anon]

Holy shit Juan Williams' voice is annoying.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Huh. The previous generation's Kindle Foster is on Lou Dobbs right now.

[anon]

Man that voice... Nails on a chalkboard.

Wow. I'm old. I remember Chalkboards.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah we say "midi on a smartboard" now.

[GILMORE]

MIDI?

all my music gear is still MIDI. I'm all post-old-school (EMU Sp12, MPC2000), and pre-new-school (Reason, Ableton, etc) Couldn't even sell it if i tried, most likely

[Paul.]

Everything still uses MIDI.

[GILMORE]

really? the most common rig i see these days with the hip set is a keyboard hooked to a laptop w/ Reason/Ableton/Cubase via USB

yeah, i know the language is probably still MIDI, but my studio setup was basically one big spaghetti farm of gizmos all MIDI cabled to each other. I was something of a headache. Now, most 'instruments' being virtual (what i meant by 'new school') it seems less of a hassle altogether

[GILMORE]

Your spellcheck turns 'Kmele' into Kindle?

damn you amazon!

[Derpetologist]

I feel this deserves an encore. A guy took turns waving an ISIS flag and an Israeli flag at Berkeley. Guess which one offended more students.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOHJ06bsSow

[John Titor]

I think they may have to retest this. Because when I see a Jewish guy waving an ISIS flag I know it's bullshit.

[Derpetologist]

I think they should redo it with Nazi, Communist, and Confederate flags.

[John Titor]

Only as long as the Nazi guy is Jewish, the Communist guy has a monocle and cigar, and the Confederate guy is black.

[Cdr Lytton]

Is George Soros free?

[GILMORE]

Jewish guy smoking a cigarette.

Yeah, 'not likely an actual ISIS supporter'

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The only guy who rebuked him while he carried his ISIS flag was the don't smoke guy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bless those people who troll Berkeley. They're doing the Lord's work.

[GILMORE]

Trolling berkley students is... like .... child abuse, or something.

they're so retarded that its almost not fair.

Also, he didn't really give his ISIS performance a chance. It looked like he was filming himself, not engaging students.

[Handlebar]

How many people would even recognize an ISIS flag?

[Derpetologist]

Terrorist bloopers. Needs more Benny Hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYAxtuHph68

[Derpetologist]

Nevermind, found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXCoggHoaQ

[John Titor]

Apparently some people don't know 'blowback' is a thing.

[anon]

Is that like when a hooker spits it back into your mouth?