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A.M. Links: Executive Action on Immigration Imminent, Sailors Assaulted in Istanbul, Kim Kardashian Tries to Break the Internet

Ed Krayewski | 11.13.2014 9:00 AM

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  • Executive action on immigration could be announced by President Obama as early as next week.
  • Bank regulators from the U.S., the U.K., and Switzerland fined six banks $4.25 billion for allegedly trying to manipulate currency markets. The Justice Department is continuing a related criminal investigation.
  • Three U.S. sailors were assaulted by nationalists while in Istanbul in an incident caught on tape.
  • Protests in southern Mexico continue over the government's handling of 43 missing students in Iguala.
  • George W. Bush called Bill Clinton his "brother from another mother" on Instagram.
  • Paper magazine hoped to "break the Internet" by featuring a pair of risqué Kim Kardashian covers.

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  1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

    Informal survey in minor etiquette. What is the proper procedure for allocating limited space in bus handicapped slots?

    This putz is suing for his vision to be forced on everyone.

    1. Ted S.   11 years ago

      Throw 'em in the luggage hold.

      [/sarcasm]

    2. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

      It looks like a "pushchair" is just a stroller? Then the actually handicapped guy gets priority. If there are too many handicapped people, first come-first serve.

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        Yes, "Pushchair" is one of several britishisms for child conveyance.

        1. WTF   11 years ago

          I thought they were "prams".

          1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

            I did say "one of several"

            1. WTF   11 years ago

              I just wanted to say "pram".

          2. Ted S.   11 years ago

            I thought prams were the old-style baby carriages (imagine a baby lyind down), and pushchairs were more like strollers (imagine a toddler sitting up).

            1. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

              I thought prams were big shrimp. Huh.

            2. HeteroPatriarch   11 years ago

              So a pram is the thing in Ghostbusters 2?

        2. Rhywun   11 years ago

          I've never heard that term either but if it's wheelchair-size then I'm picturing those monster strollers that Park Slope yuppies strut around with and in that case I'm going to have to side with the cripples.

      2. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

        Can't believe the Europeans are horning in on our comet scheme. This, of course, means war.

        1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

          I suggest cratering Pskov, as a demonstration of your ire.

          1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

            Solire system!

        2. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

          They're European bureaucrats. They are physically incapable of considering the possible... "business" applications.

          1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

            But yes, this is very much an "industry" where first-to-market is crucial.

    3. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Hello.

      "brother from another mother"

      I got nothing.

      1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

        I picture them both in college, GW calling Billy a pussy for not inhaling...

        Meanwhile, Billy snakes GW's girlfriend.

    4. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Make them fight for it.

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        The cripple and the mom or the cripple and the baby?

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          Why are you being picky?

      2. Roger the Shrubber   11 years ago

        Cripple fight!

  2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Zenon never would have posted a pic like that.

    1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

      He would have posted the front instead!

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        You hate us, don't you?

        1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

          Sometimes.

          1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

            Only sometimes?

    2. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

      It does seem pretty poor form to put the NSFW tag in the alt-text (though at least it's still alt-text!).

      1. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

        I've always thought it was amusingly entitled that anyone think that anything should ever be tagged NSFW for them.

      2. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

        *thinks

      3. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

        The use of 'pilgrim' in the alt text makes me read it in the Duke's voice...

        Which is AWESOME!

    3. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

      how much was it photoshopped? That waist looks impossibly waspish compared to some other pics of her.

      but I could be wrong
      http://cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.co.....00x470.jpg

      1. Zeb   11 years ago

        I bet it is heavily modified. It could also be partly an optical effect.

        1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

          No zits or dingleberries is a clear giveaway of a photo-shopped ass.

          1. Terc   11 years ago

            Wait. Aren't dingleberries poop? Why would a lack of poop indicated photoshoppery?

      2. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

        Waist is too narrow, and she's pretty busty, but nothing showing from that angle. Probably too much sag, so eliminated. Skin, of course, was also modified.

      3. Warty   11 years ago

        It's safe to say that modifications were done in pre- and post-production.

        1. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

          Well, yeah.

          No ass that size doesn't have dimples and bumps. If you saw the original, unshopped pic, your enthusiasm would be . . . . diminished, I am sure.

          1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

            I doubt my enthusiasm could be much diminished, because she is, after all, Satan incarnate.

        2. Terc   11 years ago

          But the ratios and the relative sizes of the different parts of her. Is it an honest depiction of those?

      4. Sevo   11 years ago

        Lord Humungus|11.13.14 @ 9:17AM|#
        "how much was it photoshopped?"

        All of it.

  3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Paper magazine hoped to "break the Internet" by featuring a pair of risqu? Kim Kardashian covers.

    She's disgusting.

    1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

      She is, and yet...that ass...

      1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

        ...is disgusting.

        1. John C. Randolph   11 years ago

          I concur. The net doesn't need any more greasy fat asses than it already has.

          I'm talking to YOU, Michael Moore!

          -jcr

        2. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

          *eyes slowly meets Auric's, slowly goes back to the ass*

        3. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

          She's still nowhere near as gross as Miley Cyrus.

          1. SugarFree   11 years ago

            I hear Miley's crabs caught gonorrhea.

      2. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

        it's like a flesh trampoline.

        1. Rich   11 years ago

          flesh trampoline

          Nice band name.

          1. WTF   11 years ago

            The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin
            That's what I said
            The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand
            Or so I have read

            My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo
            I like to sink her with my pink torpedo

            1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

              Talk about mudflaps,
              My baby's got em.

      3. Furburguesa   11 years ago

        Big ass makes big shits

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      Wait a minute. Wasn't this story in yesterday's AM Links?

      1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

        someone has a KK ass fetish

      2. Zeb   11 years ago

        Yeah. I'm a bit puzzled. Must be close to a deadline or something and everyone is too busy to find good links.

        1. Ted S.   11 years ago

          Or else they're desperate for clicks, since nobody goes to 24/7.

          1. RBS   11 years ago

            They really should change the name, I mean it only gets updated about 6 times per day and twice on the weekend.

            1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

              6/2?

      3. Rhywun   11 years ago

        Ed's trying to break HyR.

        1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

          Too late, we were broke years ago!

    3. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

      Also, this is sarcasmic's turf, and he may have posted it already for all I know, but...

      The Internet parodies Kim Kardashian's outrageous bare-bottomed magazine cover with hilarious memes

      1. Careless   11 years ago

        The centaur is perfect.

    4. This Machine Slips It In   11 years ago

      She's disgusting.

      Seconded. Fellow other brothers can confirm.

    5. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Reason gets fixated with some people sometimes.

      Hey, has anyone heard if Lou Reed is coming out with a new album?

      1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

        the Coffin tapes

      2. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

        He's stuck in her ass I heard.

    6. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

      Well, yes. But dat ass.

    7. Mike M.   11 years ago

      When it comes to a big fat ass, she has nothing on Michelle "The Wookie" Obama.

      1. Ted S.   11 years ago

        Two words: Serena Williams.

        1. Careless   11 years ago

          All those steroids, it must be lumpy and hairy.

    8. Old Man With Candy   11 years ago

      Chelsea Handler's ass was far more attractive.

      1. Warty   11 years ago

        The right answer was Rebeca Linares.

        1. Old Man With Candy   11 years ago

          Meh.

          1. Warty   11 years ago

            ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

            1. Warty   11 years ago

              Is there anything you're not wrong about???

              1. Old Man With Candy   11 years ago

                Yes, this. Brainless skank. Her, not you. OK, well, maybe you, too.

  4. Brian D   11 years ago

    Paper magazine hoped to "break the Internet" by featuring a pair of risqu? Kim Kardashian covers.

    Sir Mixalot approves, and he cannot lie.

    1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

      Perhaps some other brothers will deny?

      1. Mainer2   11 years ago

        No. In fact, my anaconda don't want none, unless you got buns hun.

      2. Drake   11 years ago

        I'm hooked and I can't stop starin

      3. gaijin   11 years ago

        red beans and rice dinnit miss her

      4. MOFO.   11 years ago

        even white boys got to shout.

        1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

          are yuo guys singing that nicki minaj song

  5. Slammer   11 years ago

    Paper magazine hoped to "break the Internet" by featuring a pair of risqu? Kim Kardashian covers.

    I feel like going to the track today.

  6. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

    NSFW guys.... and while I toil mightily for my Swiss masters, they won't want arse showing on my screen while I wait for reports to churn out. Thx.

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      The 'comment' anchor tag will load below the links proper and avoid having it on-screen.

      1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

        Oh, aye - just a gentle chiding, not a full out screech.

        1. Drake   11 years ago

          Don't follow the link to its conclusion - nothing left to the imagination.

    2. Slammer   11 years ago

      "That's no moon"

      1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

        *stands to begin thunderous ovation*

      2. PBR Streetgang   11 years ago

        Winnah!!

    3. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

      "NSFW guys.... and while I toil mightily for my Swiss masters, they won't want arse showing on my screen while I wait for reports to churn out. Thx."

      Again, that sounds like something that is entirely your problem.

      1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

        It is, thanks for your concern.

        1. Rhywun   11 years ago

          I use Stylish to hide all pics on this site. Comes in handy at work.

    4. gaijin   11 years ago

      I wait for reports to churn out

      TPS reports?

      1. WTF   11 years ago

        Waiting on the WENUS?

        1. Dr. Fronkensteen   11 years ago

          Just the TPS

  7. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

    George W. Bush called Bill Clinton his "brother from another mother" on Instagram.

    That comment is stupid no matter who utters it. I want to go back a few decades and strangle the first fool to spew forth that stupid descriptor.

    1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

      1997, 21st TAACOM HQ, UNS delivers me from this constantly made remark by strangling my immediate supervisor...

    2. Injun, as in from India   11 years ago

      This just proves how incestuous our political class is.

      1. gaijin   11 years ago

        Like the Lannisters

        1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

          At the very least the Lannisters have a reputation for paying their debts... ours don't.

          1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

            Well like our political class, the Lannister's reputation turns out to be undeserved once they are in power.

    3. Zeb   11 years ago

      OK, time to expose some more of my ignorance of popular culture. What the heck is Instagram? It seems to have something to do with square pictures. But I have no idea why.

      1. RBS   11 years ago

        Instagram is where the self absorbed with access to cameras and the internet hang out.

      2. SugarFree   11 years ago

        It is both a cameraphone filter suite and a social media platform for posting images.

        1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

          Now explain Snapchat.

          1. SugarFree   11 years ago

            "My mom goes through my phone, but I want to keep sending pics of my boobs to Brad. Brad is so hot."

            1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

              And Square Cash?

              1. SugarFree   11 years ago

                A small white device that allows you to go to a taco truck even after you spent all your cash at the strip club.

                1. waffles   11 years ago

                  Who are you who is so wise in the ways of apps?

      3. Citizen Nothing   11 years ago

        Twitter for photographers. One photog at the shop just doesn't understand why I don't post my own work pix on Instagram. Dude -- life's too short. And I'm a writer/Twitt at heart.

  8. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    George W. Bush called Bill Clinton his "brother from another mother" on Instagram.

    Georgie was just slipping into a 'black dialect' to bond with our first black president.

    1. Bill Dalasio   11 years ago

      Well, either that or George H.W. found a way to get serviced in Arkansas.

  9. Slammer   11 years ago

    Rethinking John Muir

    "Muir's legacy has to go," said Jon Christensen, a historian with UCLA's Institute of Environment and Sustainability. "It's just not useful anymore."

    Christensen and others see Muir's beliefs as antiquated in the face of 21st century environmental challenges that the bushy-bearded Scot could not have imagined: population growth, urban sprawl, demographic shifts, climate change.

    To Christensen and others, however, Muir's notion that immersing people in "universities of the wilderness" ? such as Yosemite ? sends the message that only awe-inspiring parks are worth saving, at the expense of smaller urban spaces.

    Critics also say Muir's vision of wilderness is rooted in economic privilege and the abundant leisure time of the upper class.

    Lining up behind him will be other critics ? including Richard White, a historian at Stanford University who says Muir's late 19th century, Anglo-Saxon brand of environmentalism and bias toward untouched wilderness skewed the way nature has been portrayed in popular culture.

    "We have to reimagine our relationships with nature to accommodate modern, increasingly diverse communities that see the world differently than white Anglo-Saxon Protestants like Muir did in the late 19th century," Waldie said.

    1. John C. Randolph   11 years ago

      John Muir did more good for the cause of environmentalism every day of his life than these academic shitheads could do in a thousand lifetimes.

      -jcr

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      Thanks for the laughs.

    3. Drake   11 years ago

      Environmentalists are not Conservationists. Jon Christensen and his like can go fuck themselves.

    4. Mainer2   11 years ago

      FFS...can't a pleasant walk in the woods just be that. Progressives really do fuck up everything they touch.

    5. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

      Because helping people to appreciate the wilderness and conserve it are small potatoes compared to signalling to other jackasses that you're more environmentalist than thou.

    6. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

      Critics also say Muir's vision of wilderness is rooted in economic privilege and the abundant leisure time of the upper class.

      They're only now getting this? I love the National Parks, but it was pretty clear from the beginning that they were the product of upper class romanticism.

      1. mad.casual   11 years ago

        They're only now getting this?

        I took the statement;

        Christensen and others see Muir's beliefs as antiquated in the face of 21st century environmental challenges that the bushy-bearded Scot could not have imagined: population growth, urban sprawl, demographic shifts, climate change.

        To be more indicative of their mental handicap about Muir than any shortcoming of Muir's about the world around him.

        At least, the phenomenon that they describe as being unfathomably futuristic from the 19th/20th century certainly existed well before even the 19th century.

    7. OA-5599   11 years ago

      Economic privilege blah blah communities of color blah blah reimagine our relationships blah blah white Anglo-Saxon Protestant blah blah.

      Jon Christensen and Richard White are about two decades behind the times. It's the 2010s. Nothing less than going full SJW will do now.

      No denunciation of John Muir for being a cissexist neurotypical beneficiary of penis privilege who didn't understand allies and the intersectionality of oppression?

    8. CE   11 years ago

      "Abundant leisure time of the upper class..."???? Really? Have they ever been to Yosemite? The upper class flies to Switzerland.

  10. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

    " Bank regulators from the U.S., the U.K., and Switzerland fined six banks $4.25 billion for allegedly trying to manipulate currency markets. The Justice Department is continuing a related criminal investigation."

    I hope one of those banks was the FED.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Someone didn't get their cut.

  11. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted by nationalists while in Istanbul in an incident caught on tape.

    They were singing that They Might Be Giants song and things just got out of hand.

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      "So, which way to Byzantium?"

    2. robc   11 years ago

      Its a Four Lads song.

      I love TMBG but that song predates them by decades.

      1. robc   11 years ago

        The Four Lads version of Istanbul peaked at #10 in October 1953.

        Between The Four Lads and They Might Be Giants, it was covered by Bing Crosby, Ella Fitzgerald, Bette Midler and a bunch of people Im unfamiliar with.

        Calling it a TMBG song is a pet peeve of mine.

      2. The Whole Truth   11 years ago

        God damn you're a stupid boring asshole.

        1. robc   11 years ago

          stupid boring asshole

          2 out of 3, probably.

          1. Redmanfms   11 years ago

            This is literally the only thing I've ever seen The Whole Truth post. Word for word, exactly the same post.

  12. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    "Drunk Girl" Video Is Latest Viral Hoax
    Purported "social experiment" was staged by its Los Angeles creators

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/d.....deo-785463

    1. RBS   11 years ago

      I can't say that I'm surprised. And Fuck that Leach guy, "Too bad all your friends and family think you are a want to be rapist, but hey, you're with me now and, now that I'm huge, I'm going to take care of you."

      1. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

        If anyone cares to lawyer, up, the people who made this video are in big trouble.

        They're probably judgment proof, but you can still hang a garnishment on their future earnings that will follow them forever.

  13. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Is comet probe doomed? First picture from surface shows Philae has landed on its side in a CAVE - and without solar power it will die in 30 hours

    Scientists are facing a race against time to keep the Philae probe operational on the surface of comet 67P
    It has been confirmed that the probe is stuck in a cave on the comet and it may also be on its side
    This means it may be receiving too little sunlight to recharge its batteries, which only have 20-30 hours of power
    Mission director Paolo Ferri told MailOnline it is now a race against time to collect data and keep it alive
    The solar panels also appear to have been damaged by the landing and only received 90 mins of light in 12 hours
    Earlier Philae sent back the first ever image from the surface of a comet, confirming it was inside a hole
    And later in a press conference Esa said: 'We are in a kind of cave, not a very flat area'
    Another image yet to be released is apparently pointing at the sky - which may confirm Philae is on its side
    Philae made incredible landing on comet 67P yesterday at 3.30pm GMT, making it the first craft to land on a comet
    Bounced twice on landing, once up to 0.62 miles (1km), before coming to rest far from its intended landing site

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci.....-side.html

    1. Slammer   11 years ago

      "I have a bad feeling about this"

      1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

        +1 mynock

    2. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      Comet Cave!

      On the plus side, the hardware itself might be protected from random meteroid impacts for a long time (until the comet ablates around it)

    3. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

      They should shoot the inside of the cave, to make sure it's really a cave.

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        EU Probe droids are unarmed.

        1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

          Stab it?

        2. SugarFree   11 years ago

          EU Probe droids are unarmed.

          You are so naive.

          1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

            No, no, he'd be right if this weren't actually a U.S. death probe in disguise.

    4. gaijin   11 years ago

      If only there were some sort of thermoelectric power source that was compact, could last years and would fit on a probe like this...

      1. SugarFree   11 years ago

        Wind turbine?

        1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

          Solar wind turbine. It's doubly renewable!

          1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

            Aren't all wind turbines ultimately driven by solar power?

            1. SugarFree   11 years ago

              Wow, man. Can I have a hit off that?

              1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

                ???

                The only power source not ultimately traceable to the sun is nuclear - which came from a different star.

                1. SugarFree   11 years ago

                  Just making a stoner joke, man. You need to chill out. Like have some 'shrooms.

                  1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

                    Imagination powers the universe, man.

        2. Johnny Bravo   11 years ago

          "Solar" Wind turbine.

  14. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Russia to increase 'patrols' over Gulf of Mexico with nuclear-capable bombers in latest saber rattling amid tensions over Ukraine, Syria and Iran

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's announcement comes along with a spike in Russian flights over the Black, Baltic and North Seas and Atlantic
    The move highlights growing tensions between the West and Russia over Ukraine, where NATO says Russian tanks are streaming in
    Just Tuesday, Obama and Putin sat together in China for Asia-Pacific economic meeting that was pleasant in front of cameras but icy behind them
    On the table in addition to Ukraine were the issues of Russia's involvement with warn-torn Syria and its renewed plans to build nuclear reactors in Iran

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....raine.html

    1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

      Russian military aviation is going to run itself down just trying to make Putin's dick look an inch longer.

      1. Drake   11 years ago

        I was thinking the same thing. Lot of pointless usage for 50-year-old aircraft.

        1. Restoras   11 years ago

          What else ya gonna do with planes that old?

          1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

            Sell them to the Afghan Air Force?

            1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

              So they can sell them for scrap?

              1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

                CORRECT!

        2. Bryan C   11 years ago

          Pointless? Putin seems to be successfully making his point.

  15. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Best man catches friend's wife cheating with a barman and films the whole thing. Now it's all over the internet

    Footage shows a woman identified only as Nina climbing off a man's lap
    The video has already been viewed over three million times on YouTube
    Explanation stated the husband suspected wife of 18 months of cheating
    So he asked his friend to follow the woman and see what she was up to

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....arman.html

    1. Injun, as in from India   11 years ago

      Is this going to fall under some new BS revenge p0rn law?

    2. Idle Hands   11 years ago

      must be a really slow news day.

      1. sarcasmic   11 years ago

        Very.

        1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

          Uh the worst part is they pulled that from the front page of Reddit. I can't even imagine the stupid self righteous comments from the neck-beards who have never been in a relationship in their lives.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Is a 'slow news day' myth or fact at this point?

  16. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Pregnant beggar filmed driving off in $35,000 MERCEDES is caught panhandling AGAIN (but this time she was carrying her newborn)

    Pregnant woman was pictured begging on San Diego street with young boy last week
    Soon after, pair met woman's boyfriend and drove off in Mercedes Benz
    Vehicle is reported registered to woman with a $2,500-a-month address
    The picture went viral and has been viewed millions of times
    Reporter found the woman begging again on Tuesday- but this time she had given birth
    Woman was carrying her newborn child and was with the young boy
    Her boyfriend was also there and he denied owning any luxury car

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....y-car.html
    Couple months ago there was a guy begging on a median near a McDonalds, and when I asked the person behind the counter about him she said the manager had offered the guy a job but he refused. Then he drove home in a nice pickup truck. While I would like to help people in need, it seems more and more that these beggars are frauds.

    1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      I see a group of beggars coordinating with each other on my morning and evening commutes.

      The same people show up on the streets at rush hours to panhandle. All of them look healthy and able-bodied.

      1. Doghouse Riley Jr.   11 years ago

        Unlike most jobs, the interview and hiring process for begging is pretty easy and there's no drug testing.

        Which is why we need a beggars bureau, to insure that beggars are licensed and drug free.

      2. Tonio   11 years ago

        Yeah, we have a group of beggars where I live who seem to coordinate, too. The head beggar seems to assign different crew members to different street corners and then rotate them throughout the day.

      3. Bryan C   11 years ago

        +1 Amateur Mendicant Society

    2. Doctor Whom   11 years ago

      Once, I ended up with an extra roll from lunch, so I wrapped in a paper napkin to take back to the office. A beggar on K Street (no, the other kind of beggar on K Street) asked me for some help for food. When I offered her the roll, she said, "I'm sure I wouldn't like that." What I ended up giving her is left to the reader as an exercise.

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        An obscene gesture?

      2. Injun, as in from India   11 years ago

        I NEVER give money or food to beggars.

        I know someone who gave their sandwich out of kindness to a beggar, and the beggar had the temerity to throw it back at them saying he wanted money not food.

        I also know someone who offered a job to someone standing with a "Jobless Homeless" sign, and the guy basically turned around and walked away at the offer.

        As Ben Franklin said, Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

        1. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

          I once saw one that said "why lie, I want beer". I gave him a couple of bucks for a 40 just for being honest.

          1. Citizen Nothing   11 years ago

            Amen. When they start yammering about how they're gonna use my donation for soup, I say "Get whatever the hell you want. It's your money now."

        2. Rhywun   11 years ago

          I NEVER give money or food to beggars.

          Me neither.

          My favorite is "I need a dollar to get the bus to NJ". I hear that one like once a month.

      3. Idle Hands   11 years ago

        Dude she would have sucked your dick for a dollar.

      4. Injun, as in from India   11 years ago

        A beggar on K Street (no, the other kind of beggar on K Street)

        That was funny.

    3. Zeb   11 years ago

      Any beggar with a good story or some other really good angle is probably a fraud or a scam. The legit ones are mostly drunks and crazy people.
      I feel bad for anyone legitimately in a situation where they just need help to get to where they are going or had some shitty luck, because I'm not giving anything to anyone out pan handling.

    4. waffles   11 years ago

      Maybe some people just enjoy begging so much they beg for sport.

    5. Terr   11 years ago

      At a gas station in Denver (yes, Colfax), a man approached me holding an empty gas can wanting some money to buy gas. Seeing his empty can, I asked for it and filled it for him instead of giving him money. He had the most disappointed look on his face when I handed it back to him.

  17. Longtorso, Johnny   11 years ago

    "A rule not ultimately backed by the threat of violence is merely a suggestion. States rely on laws enforced by men ready to do violence against lawbreakers. Every tax, every code and every licensing requirement demands an escalating progression of penalties that, in the end, must result in the forcible seizure of property or imprisonment by armed men prepared to do violence in the event of resistance or non?compliance. Every time a soccer mom stands up and demands harsher penalties for drunk driving, or selling cigarettes to minors, or owning a pit bull, or not recycling, she is petitioning the state to use force to impose her will. She is no longer asking nicely."
    -- Jack Donovan | Violence is Golden

  18. Slammer   11 years ago

    Product test: Armored car CEO sits in SUV while shot at with an AK-47

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      "I stand fully behind our products - just don't expect me to stand in front of them"

    2. Tejicano   11 years ago

      Bravo Fox Delta. A Kalashnikov isn't an anti tank weapon. It does hit harder than a handgun but that's a rather low bar for any rifle.

      I have fired one through a car body at the engine block. The rounds which did manage to get through to the engine only left small lead smears.

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        If you note in the video he's firing at the Windshield, which is far from bullet resistant in a normal car.

        1. Tejicano   11 years ago

          Actually, the standard windshield will usually deflect handgun rounds - at least for three or four shots if not too close together. Depending on the angle I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two AK rounds not penetrate one.

          1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

            Confident enough to sit inside while being shot at?

            Just because the intermediate power round of the most common firearm in the world isn't a tank killer doesn't mean it isn't fun to watch armored glass soak about eight rounds. (Though I do note the shooter was avoiding focused hits. A real assailant would keep hammering at the driver and eventually get through)

            1. CatoTheElder   11 years ago

              However, it's not far off how the distribution of hits would be. After the first shot, the driver would certain respond to evade fire.

              1. Zeb   11 years ago

                That's probably what is needed from an armored car in most cases. It's not going to have to hold up to sustained fire in most cases since it can move.

                1. Bryan C   11 years ago

                  Flight systems damaged.

      2. Zeb   11 years ago

        A Kalashnikov isn't an anti tank weapon.

        And an armored SUV is not a tank. But I'd be interested to see what a .308 or something a bit bigger would do to the windshield.

  19. Rich   11 years ago

    Executive action on immigration could be announced by President Obama as early as next week.

    Anyone else find this kind of "news" ridiculous?

    "Executive action on immigration could be announced by President Obama as late as next September. Executive action on immigration could be announced by President Clinton as early as next decade.
    Executive action on immigration could have been announced by President Obama as early as 2009."

  20. Rich   11 years ago

    There's no such thing as purple urine.

    Sounds like a challenge ....

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      There are chemicals that when injected will turn urine blue or red... so do they not both work if introduced at the same time?

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        *ingested, not injected.

        1. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

          Damnit, now you tell me!

      2. Idle Hands   11 years ago

        Ever had a four loko? I'm pretty sure that will do it.

        1. Restoras   11 years ago

          Isn't that stuff illegal? I'm pretty sure the nannie-statists banned it.

          1. SugarFree   11 years ago

            They removed the caffeine and put it back on the market.

            1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

              Wouldn't that make it "Three-Loko" instead?

              1. SugarFree   11 years ago

                They took out the tuarine and gurana as well, so it might just be "Loko" at this point.

                1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

                  It's actually been renamed as [Abelist Slur]

                  1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

                    i loled

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      What's porphyria?

  21. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

    Working from home today...

    first snow on the ground and the battery in my car decided to die. Went to replace it via Autozone but they didn't want to do the job since they thought the car wouldn't start after a battery swap. Wallet raping dealer couldn't get me until next week Friday. Like I'm going to go without a car for a week because of a friggin' battery. So I'll do it myself.... once I take care of some work-work stuff first.

    1. Drake   11 years ago

      Got my last battery at Wal-Mart. The only thing I'll let them touch on my car.

      1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

        After spending a small fortune on dry-cell racing batteries that didn't last a year, I went back to Walmart. But getting one to fit in the trunk location of a BMW is difficult.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Sitting in Starbucks like a chooch sipping cappuccino among students waiting for my to be repaired.

      Life is very cruel.

      1. Ted S.   11 years ago

        Your auto-correct seems to be acting up.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          Heh.

          CAR needs repairing. Auto-correct doesn't check for run-ons.

    3. robc   11 years ago

      Went to replace it via Autozone but they didn't want to do the job since they thought the car wouldn't start after a battery swap.

      ???

      That is where I did my last battery swap.

      1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

        BMW... no one wants to touch 'em. Apparently the later model than mine require a code entry for the type of battery being used.

    4. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

      replaced battery. Car works. That is all.

      At least with the battery in the trunk my tender hands don't get as dirty.

      1. Zeb   11 years ago

        What's with Germans putting the battery in weird places? A friend with a Mercedes once had to change or charge their battery or something and realized they had no idea where it was. Eventually found it under the back seat, I think.

        1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

          weight distribution/handling? Mini Cooper is the same way though as far as I can tell the non-S models have it under the hood.

          1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

            weight distribution/handling

            This.

            A battery is a lot of weight that can be moved around. Most of the other heavy bits pretty much define the vehicle by their location.

        2. An Innocent Man   11 years ago

          What's with Germans putting the battery in weird places?

          It's not just the batteries; I heard tell that sometimes they put the freakin' engine in the back!

        3. alittlesense   11 years ago

          2001 Buick LeSabre (about the farthest thing from a BMW) has the battery under the back seat. Saturn Ions have the batter in the trunk, as do some Volvo station wagons.

  22. Slammer   11 years ago

    Obama may be too sane for our crazy world

    Now that Democrats have been hammered in the midterm congressional elections and the blame has fallen on Obama, the usual gaggle of pundits is speculating that world leaders will perceive the president as significantly weakened. As if to confirm this, Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of the Russian parliament, told the Tass news agency that Obama has fallen "from the president of hope to the president of disappointment." Pushkov's pal, Putin, must be smiling at that thought, the class bully that he is.

    Obama is the smart, well-behaved lad in the global high school that punks love to pick on. As president, he's tried for six years to be a rational-minded conciliator. He wants his opponents, both foreign and domestic, to simmer down, dispense with threats and do the logical thing. Apparently -- from the bully who brazenly stole Crimea to the wild bunch who shut down the federal government -- everyone but him thinks that's a lame idea.

    1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

      Mr. "I Won" wants people to simmer down. It's like people are living in a different world when it comes to Obama fellating.

    2. Rich   11 years ago

      He wants his opponents, both foreign and domestic, to simmer down, dispense with threats and do the logical thing.

      OK, fearless leader -- what is that "logical thing"?

      1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

        Compromise.

        Where compromise means "do exactly what Obama wants".

      2. Andrew S.   11 years ago

        Whatever Obama wants done. Duh.

      3. Rich   11 years ago

        what Obama wants

        Oh, I understand that.

        But a "smart, well-behaved lad" should be able to articulate a specific end state that is not over-constrained.

      4. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

        OK, fearckless leader...

        FTFY

    3. Handlebar   11 years ago

      Have we reached the point yet that opinion pieces in a major newspaper have dropped below YouTube comments in cogency?

      1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

        I wouldn't know - I don't read either.

    4. Doctor Whom   11 years ago

      But ... but ... 4D Vulcan chess!

    5. SugarFree   11 years ago

      The projection is amazing.

    6. Idle Hands   11 years ago

      Obama is the smart, well-behaved lad in the global high school that punks love to pick on.

      More commonly referred to as a pussy.

  23. Rich   11 years ago

    Hungry Women TEAR UP McDONALD'S After They Were Late for Breakfast Menu (Video)

    Hey, if you want it your way go to fucking Burger King.

    1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

      Michael Douglas did it better.

      1. Handlebar   11 years ago

        Robert Duval sucks.

    2. Slammer   11 years ago

      The big guy catching the swinging chairs is awesome.

    3. Ted S.   11 years ago

      They couldn't order anything off the lunch menu?

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Ted, did those two strike you are reasonable individuals?

    4. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

      Sonic has breakfast available the whole day.

      1. Ted S.   11 years ago

        The only Sonic near me closed a few months back.

    5. Zeb   11 years ago

      I almost did that once. They still had the breakfast menu up, but wouldn't give me my goddamn bacon egg and cheese biscuit.

    6. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      What happened to saying "you just lost yourself a customer" and going to the place next door?

    7. Red Rocks Rockin   11 years ago

      "WORLDSTAH! WORLDSTAH! WORLDSTAH!"

    8. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

      Hey, if you want it your way go to fucking Burger King

      Actually, they told me the same thing once. Being mostly sane, I just ordered something off the lunch menu.

      Of course, this was Philly, America's answer to Millwall.

      1. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

        ...the freaking out women were in Philly. I was on the NH/MA border.

  24. Mike M.   11 years ago

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted by nationalists while in Istanbul in an incident caught on tape.

    Heh, "nationalists". Fascinating. Last night someone here told me that they were "communists".

    1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

      National socialists?

      1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

        And yes, I should've said "You know who else was a Nationalist and a Socialist"? BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        'Hey! You got your socialism in my nationalism!'

        'Hey! You got your nationalism in my socialism!'

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          What kind of a nutty bar is this?

          1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

            A Munich beer hall.

            1. Injun, as in from India   11 years ago

              +1 Putsch

    2. Zeb   11 years ago

      Maybe it's both.

    3. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

      Here's one description:

      The Union is an odd group: ultra-nationalist, anti-Islamist, and anti-West. It is bitterly opposed to the Islam-inflected politics of president Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AK Party, but equally suspicious of European and American influences.

      Turkish Nazis, in a nutshell.

      http://qz.com/295832/it-wasnt-.....d-and-bad/

    4. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

      They are communists:

      Youth Union of Turkey

      The TGB is an anarcho-communist organization that has strong beliefs in conspiracy theories about the West controlling the AK Party despite the AKP opposing many Western principles and initiatives as well as the continuously deteriorating relations with Western governments at the helm of the AKP leader, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The TGB has strong xenophobic beliefs such as removal of English classes from schools in Turkey.

      The TGB alleges it advocates the principles of Mustafa Kemal Atat?rk but contrary to pro-Western beliefs of Atat?rk, the TGB completely opposes the West. It opposes any future Turkish membership in the European Union and any cooperation with what it calls "American imperialism". [1] It has organized mass protests against the AKP.

  25. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Come on- the internet is swarming with ugly naked fat chicks. One more won't break it.

    1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

      Fat? You ought to discover some day that words have an exact meaning.

      1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

        I think we might be on the John list.

      2. Not a Libertarian   11 years ago

        well fat ass surely

      3. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

        And I say this despite personally being sarcasmic's ideal of what a woman should look like, as I believe one has seen.

        1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

          Sure. It's always a fat black guy. Always.

          1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

            That statement makes no sense. The Kochs don't allow blacks on here.

            1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

              Says the so called "sarcasmics ideal women" poster. This leads me to two conclusions, either your a prepubescent white teenager with long black hair, or a fat black guy tying to throw me off his scent.

              1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

                As I said, I believe one of the morning posters has seen me, but the short version of my stats is 6', 138 lbs, B cups, 27 inch waist, 5 1/2 inch penis. If that's not sarcasmic's ideal woman, I don't know what is.

                1. Warty   11 years ago

                  5 1/2 inch penis

                  PICS PLZ

                  1. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

                    No freebies!

                    But I could post a Bitcoin wallet address...

              2. SugarFree   11 years ago

                Most of the non-existent female libertarians on here are quite attractive.

                Episiarch is hideous, but he only feels like a woman on the inside, despite his ambiguous genitalia.

                1. Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)   11 years ago

                  How do you know what Epi feels like on the inside? What have you been sticking in there?

            2. WTF   11 years ago

              They do, however, allow mulattos.

              1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

                Only if they are Heroic.

      4. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

        If a part of someone is really fat, that makes them fat. I don't know what else you'd call them.

        1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

          People with ugly feet are ugly.

          1. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

            Agreed.

            1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

              Hmm, I think I was going for something else there, but now I agree with you and myself.

              Not that I have a foot fetish, but women who are wearing strappy sandals with busted feet, yeeech.

              1. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

                lol

              2. Idle Hands   11 years ago

                I hate when people wear jeans and sandals.

                1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

                  Male toes should ever be exposed in a restaurant.

                  1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

                    @Rufus J. Firefly

                    So says us all. With the one exception being a bar directly adjacent to a beach.

          2. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

            It's kind of a shame though, that you think fat is the same as ugly...

        2. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

          I would call it non-pygeal lipodystrophy, obviously.

  26. Rich   11 years ago

    House science committee chairman challenges NSF 'Truthy Project' funding

    Lamar Smith wants to know how and why a federal agency gave nearly a million tax dollars to a project studying targeting of political speech on Twitter.

    "Sorry, Congressman. Hard-drive crash."

    1. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

      Oh come on, I think we all know the reason why at this point.

    2. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

      The Ministry of Truth is still in its infancy. Strangle it while it's still in the cradle. Or jam a pair of forceps in the base of its skull and suction its brain cavity out with a vacuum while it's still in the womb.

  27. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

    "Three U.S. sailors were assaulted by nationalists while in Istanbul in an incident caught on tape."

    In related news, Turkey's greatest national monument was built by Christians, and simply taking a shit in Turkey is still a complete fucking nightmare.

    http://ramblecrunch.com/wp-con.....toilet.jpg

    I'm just sayin'.

    1. Warty   11 years ago

      A nightmare? Have you never been camping or something? Shitting from a squat is completely obviously superior to shitting while seated. It turns your ass into a fucking poop cannon. It's glorious.

      1. Zeb   11 years ago

        And people who squat to shit don't get hemorrhoids.
        I don't get why people are so horrified by squat toilets. Would you really want to sit down on a public toilet in SE Asia or Turkey?

      2. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

        Are you supposed to get undressed to use the damn thing? Or do you just let your clothes soak it all in?

        And how do you use the three sea shells?

        1. OldMexican   11 years ago

          And how do you use the three sea shells?

          "Ha! He doesn't know how to use the three sea shells!

          All restaurants are called Taco Bell!"

        2. Warty   11 years ago

          Jesus Christ. You shit on the ground, not on your feet.

          1. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

            Usually? It's not an either/or kind of process.

            So, you're pulling your jeans down, you've got some #1 and some #2, and you're squatting with your jeans in the middle of that--self assured that you're going to miss on both sides--without even looking?!

            I do not believe you.

            And that bucket under the spigot in that photo, that's presumably for flushing, I take it?

            Fair enough, but that pink cup sitting on top of the bucket--that isn't for getting yourself a drink of water I take it.

            If I had to guess, that pink cup is for catching #1 while you're going #2--am I right?

            And all this to avoid sitting down for some unknown reason?!

            Barbarism.

            1. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

              No wonder they're so pissed of at Americans...

              They see Americans using reasonable toilets on television, and--not being able to use them in Turkey drives them insane!

            2. Zeb   11 years ago

              Do your #1 first, in the usual way, then take a squat.

              1. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

                You have to account for the pink cup in the photo, Zeb.

                For the love of God, why did they have to put that pink cup there?!

                What is it for?

            3. Warty   11 years ago

              Just how do you think bipeds naturally shit?

              And I squat to shit every day. Squatty Potty, yo.

    2. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

      Stay out of SW and Central Asia...and parts of the Balkans too, if you can't handle a bombardier station...

  28. Not a Libertarian   11 years ago

    Dangitt,

    Now I want some fresh off the conveyor belt Krispy Kreme!

  29. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    Kim Kardashian is gross. That is all.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      When you put Kim Kardashian and Kanye together it spells...

      KKK.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        Likewise with Kim, Khloe and Kourtney.

        Didn't Dad represent OJ Simpson?

    2. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

      Kimmy gotta big ol' butt.

      1. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

        Finally!

        Baby got back is fine, but it was getting tired.

  30. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Went to replace it via Autozone but they didn't want to do the job since they thought the car wouldn't start after a battery swap.

    Errr, whut? Does the little man in the box die of hypothermia, or something?

    1. Rich   11 years ago

      Not for ol' Kimmie wink-wink-nudge-nudge!

  31. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Fat? You ought to discover some day that words have an exact meaning.

    That's not the only photo of la Gargantua I have seen, unfortunately.

  32. Bill Dalasio   11 years ago

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted by nationalists while in Istanbul in an incident caught on tape.

    By the logic of going to war against ISIS, does this mean we need to invade Turkey?

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      How many decapitations where involved?

    2. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

      The problem is that it's unrealistic to think that Turkish nationalists are any kind of threat to America.

      But ISIS is about to take over America and start decapitating people--it could happen at any moment!

      When ISIS is going around forcing all our women to wear burkas, maybe then you'll be happy?!

    3. WTF   11 years ago

      Since the sailors weren't hurt, a few simple dronings will do.

  33. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    By the logic of going to war against ISIS, does this mean we need to invade Turkey?

    Ab
    so
    fucking
    lutely.

    BOOYA! USA USA USA!

    1. WTF   11 years ago

      AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

  34. SugarFree   11 years ago

    One the best thing about Reason is that it has been a relatively safe harbor from the Kardashian stain that has infected most of the internet. Sad to see those days are over.

    1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

      On this weeks episode of Keepin' up with the Libertarians, SugarFree rediscovers his lust for hobbits, known to the regulars as Epi's mom.

      1. SugarFree   11 years ago

        Bitch, you better never come to a meet up. I will rip that Walmart weave right out your hair!

        1. Idle Hands   11 years ago

          Good luck, I shop at kmart you fat-bottomed blood sugar deficient douche.

          1. SugarFree   11 years ago

            I may have the sugars, but at least I ain't no ho.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      It is for shame. I thought a paper is 'supposed' to know its readers.

      I come here for the...never mind.

      1. Certified Public Asskicker   11 years ago

        Asses covered in maple syrup?

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          Too sticky.

      2. Joe Biden's liver   11 years ago

        Poutine?

        1. Crusty Juggler   11 years ago

          Mom jokes?

  35. The DerpRider   11 years ago

    Is that a chainsaw in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

    Florida Man

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Good thing it wasn't electric-start.

      1. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

        Pull start is more the usual thing, after all.

        1. Swiss Servator, spare a franc?   11 years ago

          *narrows gaze*

  36. John   11 years ago

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014.....ducts-ban/

    Even Massholes have their limits. Angry town residents shout down town nannies in meeting on proposed tobacco ban.

    1. Auric Demonocles   11 years ago

      "AMERICA!"

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Good for them. Good quotes from townspeople in there too.

    3. Rhywun   11 years ago

      I don't know whether to believe this happened or not.

  37. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

    Robin Williams was suffering from Lewis Body Dementia:

    Robin Williams' Death Report Finds Lewy Body Dementia

    The disorder has symptoms similar to Parkinson's, but when treated with Parkinson's drugs causes vivid hallucinations which may have been what drove Williams to suicide.

    1. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

      jeezus

    2. Clown Hunter   11 years ago

      Go back to the drugs that cause vivid hallucinations, pls?

  38. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

    Ultimate irony is that after all the fighting over the Keystone XL Pipeline, even if it gets approved it may not get built as the recent plunge in oil prices makes it a money loser:

    Economics no longer makes Keystone pipeline viable

    1. John   11 years ago

      Oil is a boom and bust commodity. It always has been and always will be. The problem is that since you have to drill for it supply always lags demand and demand is price inelastic at first. It takes a while for people to respond to higher oil prices. You don't just immediately move closer to work or get a more fuel efficient car. So when the price goes up it takes a while for supply to catch up and when it does it comes as a surge in production combined with a drop in demand as people finally start adjusting to the higher prices. This causes the price to crash and starts the cycle all over again.

      My guess is that they still would build it even if it would lose money in the short run. The oil companies know the boom and bust cycle of prices and thus understand that it will eventually make money when the price comes back up, which it always does.

      1. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

        I think the current bust is due to fracking massively increasing the supply of petroleum, as well as reducing demand via substitution effects in the natural gas market.

        In which case oil may be down for quite some time.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          "I think the current bust is due to fracking massively increasing the supply of petroleum"

          No, not really. At least not how you express it.

          The most significant factors are the combined effects of 3 things -

          a) reduced demand due to global economic slowdown

          b) a 10% rise in the dollar in the last 3 months alone

          c) price cuts by OPEC to preserve their overall volume share in the global market

          the impact of NA production is mostly to reduce costs for domestic refiners; we're still a net importer, and demand growth is not slowing; but the impact is comparatively minor on global prices relative to the influence of OPEC, $ impact, Asian demand, etc

        2. GILMORE   11 years ago

          " as well as reducing demand via substitution effects in the natural gas market."

          What is gas substituting oil for, again, aside from home heating?

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      The "math" they're using at the moment to calculate the profitability of the pipeline assumes a fixed-extraction cost and headline oil price - based on today's prices and costs...

      ...for a project that probably will take 2-3 years to complete, and would be expected to be in operation for decades.

      Do i need to go further?

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