Local Government

City Spends Months Debating Smoking Ban in Public Parks, Discovers Smoking Was Already Banned in Public Parks


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Credit: Jessica Lakis

In August, a troop of Turlock, California, Girl Scouts asked the city council to consider a ban on smoking in public parks. Months of sporadic—and occasionally heated—debate followed. The Scouts said they were seeking the ban, in part, to reduce childrens' exposure to secondhand smoke, though the girls also asked that e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco be included in the ban. 

Then, last week, Parks, Recreation & Public Facilities Superintendent Erik Schulze piped up. It turns out smoking in Turlock's public parks has been illegal for more than a decade:

"In our research over the last month we were trying to figure out why our sports complex—the soccer fields—had a no smoking ban but none of our other parks did. Due to our research we came across a council resolution from back in 2003 and within that council resolution there was a banning of smoking in parks and parking lots—all parks and parking lots….For whatever reason after the council took action on that item there was never any enforcement, never any signs posted."


Looks like the Girl Scouts learned some valuable lessons about local government, though perhaps not the ones their troop leaders intended when the set out.

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  1. Looks like the Girl Scouts learned some valuable lessons about local government, though perhaps not the ones their troop leaders intended when the set out.

    What is this generation called? Tenennials?

    1. Should we start polling them?

      1. Perhaps we should start DENAZIFICATION CLASSES FOR THEM……….

        1. Activities for Girl Scouts Against Smoking

          Antismoking Costume

          Have the girls create a costume with an antismoking theme and then volunteer to wear the costumes at an event such as a local Relay For Life. The girls can take turns wearing the costume to promote an antismoking message. The costume can also be worn to preschools where the girls can talk with the children about the dangers of tobacco. Community events, like parades and pride days, present more opportunities for the girls to show off their costume and promote their message.

          Poster Making


          1. There are many different ways to create posters. The girls can petition a local printing company to donate their resources to create antismoking posters. Or, they can take up a collection and turn their posters in to a calendar for distribution to the community. The troop can involve the community by asking a local bank, city hall or library to host a poster contest, where the girls each create an antismoking poster and passersby vote on the best poster. The project will be less about the contest and more about getting the public to look at each poster and understand the message. Another idea is to create banners and posters and to donate them to area schools, camps and day care centers.


            Have the troop volunteer their time at a hospital or nonprofit organization that specializes in cancer or tobacco awareness. The American Cancer Society hosts annual events that the girls can volunteer to help organize. The troop can also create a petition and ask family members to “pledge to quit” as part of the Great American Smokeout.

            1. Ahh yes even Hitler just like California

              The Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls both published antismoking propaganda, and the Association for the Struggle against the Tobacco Danger organized counseling centers where the ‘tobacco ill’ could seek help” (p.456-457); “Hitler Youth had anti-smoking patrols all over Germany, outside movie houses and in entertainment areas, sports fields etc., and smoking was strictly forbidden to these millions of German youth growing up under Hitler.” (www.zundelsite ? January 27, 1998.htm)

      2. As long as the pole is no bigger than your thumb, I say have at the little busybodies-in-training.

  2. I love when they use kids for their little propaganda campaigns – how adorable!

  3. Yet another reason not to buy Girl Scout cookies – check.

    1. I’d buy Samoas even if the Girl Scouts were rounding up people into cattle cars and sending them to death camps.

      1. Well, if the Brownshirts were around today, they’d want to be called Brownies.

  4. The beauty of government is that when it’s not merely venal, wasteful, and corrupt, it’s totally fucking incompetent.

    1. I miss the days when government was just merely incompetent.

      1. What’s interesting is that where you could say it was competent–that is, in its principal role in stealing money from some to enrich those it wishes to reward–it’s highly inefficient. Not to mention it’s the fucking dumbest parasite in the world that kills the only host available to it.

        1. For example: The Illinois state pension system.

        2. Im sure the California smoke Nazis will issue sweet lil pink girl scout badges with nice lil swastikas for helping push the Fuhrers Propaganda machine…….

          Next up they will have roving girl scout patrols to Rat out that revolutionist smoker who dares defy the Third REICHS LAWS………..NURMEBERG ANYONE!

  5. Little green-shirted future nannies huh? Worried about second-hand smoke – but oh, let’s include smokeless and vaping. Fucking California, and in a shit-hole like Turlock no less.

    1. I lived in Turlock for a whole year and can attest to its shithole-ness. So happy when I finally got to leave that awful place…

  6. “And this is my merit badge for being an authoritarian busy-body.”

    1. I lol’ed out loud.

  7. “had a no smoking ban”..?

    Taken literally, a “no smoking ban” is a ban on NOT smoking. So, is everyone required to smoke in those places? Can’t believe these imbeciles have this much power over our lives…

  8. Hitler Youth had anti-smoking patrols all over Germany, outside movie houses and in entertainment areas, sports fields etc., and smoking was strictly forbidden to these millions of German youth growing up under Hitler.” (www.zundelsite ? January 27, 1998.htm)

  9. “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
    (Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler; 1943)

    Something along the lines of the Hitler Youf:
    Proctor (1997) continues that “throughout this period, magazines like Genussgifte (Poisons of taste or habit), Auf der Wacht (On Guard), and Reine Luft (Pure air) published a regular drumbeat against this ‘insidious poison’ [tobacco], along with articles charting the unhealthful effects of alcohol, teenage dancing, cocaine, and other vices. Dozens of books and pamphlets denounced the ‘smoking slavery’ or ‘cultural degeneration’ feared from the growth of tobacco use. Tobacco was branded ‘the enemy of world peace’, and there was even talk of ‘tobacco terror’ and ‘tobacco capitalism’ ?. The Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls both published antismoking propaganda, and the Association for the Struggle against the Tobacco Danger organized counseling centers where the ‘tobacco ill’ could seek help” (p.456-457); “Hitler Youth had anti-smoking patrols all over Germany, outside movie houses and in entertainment areas, sports fields etc., and smoking was strictly forbidden to these millions of German youth growing up under Hitler.” (www.zundelsite ? January 27, 1998.htm)

    1. ‘the enemy of world peace’

      “Well, we know that the threat to world peace is *somewhere* in this country!”

  10. Well a little history lesson is now needed I can see:

    Look who first invented the Passive smoking Fraud

    Hitler’s Anti-Tobacco Campaign

    One particularly vile individual, Karl Astel — upstanding president of Jena University, poisonous anti-Semite, euthanasia fanatic, SS officer, war criminal and tobacco-free Germany enthusiast — liked to walk up to smokers and tear cigarettes from their unsuspecting mouths. (He committed suicide when the war ended, more through disappointment than fear of hanging.) It comes as little surprise to discover that the phrase “passive smoking” (Passivrauchen) was coined not by contemporary American admen, but by Fritz Lickint, the author of the magisterial 1100-page Tabak und Organismus (“Tobacco and the Organism”), which was produced in collaboration with the German AntiTobacco League.

    That’s fine company are so called public health depts. keep with ehh!

    History can shed so much lite on todays own movement it just amazes the mind………..

  11. This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:


    Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

    By JoNel Aleccia, Staff Writer, NBC News.

    Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe.

    Ive done the math here and this is how it works out with second ahnd smoke and people inhaling it!

    The 16 cities study conducted by the U.S. DEPT OF ENERGY and later by Oakridge National laboratories discovered:

    Cigarette smoke, bartenders annual exposure to smoke rises, at most, to the equivalent of 6 cigarettes/year.


    A bartender would have to work in second hand smoke for 2433 years to get an equivalent dose.

    Then the average non-smoker in a ventilated restaurant for an hour would have to go back and forth each day for 119,000 years to get an equivalent 20 years of smoking a pack a day! Pretty well impossible ehh!

    1. I remember, a long time ago, in one genetics class there was mention of one gene which had a variation, a fairly common one, that reduced the incidence of lung cancer from smoking so much that it was just on the other side of statistically insignificant from not smoking at all.

  12. though the girls also asked that e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco be included in the ban.

    Because … guilt by association? Because the mere existence of nicotine terrifies their badges off?

    What the merry hell?

    1. EPA & FDA: Vapor Harmless to Children

      April 3, 2014 matt black

      In the continued war on e-cigarettes, we hear about the “potential dangers” of e-cigarette vapor and the “unknown public health risks.”

      First, I find it absolutely absurd that we’re attempting to pass laws based on unknowns, but what makes it even more absurd is the fact that there’s very little that isn’t known about e-cigarette vapor at this point. The primary ingredient of concern to those who wish to see e-cigarettes banned is the propylene glycol vapor, which has been studied for over 70 years.

      I recently came across a document titled, “Reregistration Eligibility Decision For Propylene Glycol and Dipropylene Glycol”, which was created by the United State Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

      Catchy title. I was intrigued.

      This quote caught my eye:

      Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants. (page 4, paragraph 1).

      In a previous post, I had shared the summary of research that had been done in 1942 by Dr. Robertson regarding the antibacterial properties of vaporized propylene glycol, but I had never heard that the FDA wound up approving it for the purpose of an air disinfectant in hospitals.

    2. Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; (page 6, paragraph 2)


      Method and Rates of Application


      Air Sanitizer

      Read the directions included with the automatic dispenser for proper installation of unit and refill. Remove cap from aerosol can and place in a sequential aerosol dispenser which automatically releases a metered amount every 15 minutes. One unit should treat 6000 ft of closed air space? For regular, non-metered applications, spray room until a light fog forms. To sanitize the air, spray 6 to 8 seconds in an average size room (10’x10′). (page 6, paragraph 6)

      A common argument used to support the public usage ban is that, “Minnesotans have become accustomed to the standard of clean indoor air.” However, according to the EPA and FDA, so long as there’s a “light fog” of propylene glycol vapor in the air, the air is actually more clean than the standard that Minnesotans have become accustomed to.

    3. It’s seen as closing a loophole. Of course you have to forget about the justif’n of the smoking ban and just figure it’s for some good reason, and then see a loophole to be closed.

    4. While covering a county board meeting the board was voting to change the county courthouse’s smoking ban to a tobacco ban. They didn’t have a reason beyond their feelings toward tobacco.

  13. References

    Girl Scouts of WNC Pisgah Council (NC): CAN-CER-VIVE Patch Program

    Girl Scouts Commonwealth Council of Virginia: Relay For Life Girl Scout Patch Program

    Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: No Smoking with Those Thin Mints

    Quit Tobacco—Make Everyone Proud: Join the Great American Smokeout

    Read more : http://www.ehow.com/list_72951…..oking.html

    Read more : http://www.ehow.com/list_72951…..oking.html

  14. Colleges being forced to go smokefree by Obama Administration

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced an initiative to ban smoking from college campuses last month. This is part of the HHS goal to create a society free of tobacco-related disease and death, according to their action plan released by the HHS in 2010.

    Colleges who fail to enact campus-wide smoking bans and other tobacco-free policies may soon face the loss of grants and contracts from the HHS, according to the plan. Western receives grants through a subdivision of the HHS called the National Institutes of Health, Acting Vice Provost for Research Kathleen Kitto said.


    Obama administration to push for eliminating smoking on college campuses

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/obama … z29zJ2V2TV

    President Barack Obama has already promised not to smoke cigarettes in the White House. If his administration has its way, American college students will soon be required to follow suit while they’re on campus.

  15. They used HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY to create anti-smoking junk science!

    BTW your body expels toxins consistently even the ones so small they cant be measured like in SHS…….You’ve bought the BS propaganda and haven’t woken up yet to reality.

    Everything you ever heard is a lie about shs.

    What the charletons did was take normal body reactions to any stimuli in this case smoke any smoke doesn’t matter and you will get body changes adapted to the environment you are in.

    1. They took these NORMAL body changes physiological changes and suddenly deemed them disease causing………It was a fabricated lie as the body within minutes to hours reverts back to normal……….Going into the cold,heat,excersice matters not you get these changes even eating a hearty meal causes the same effects. Its also the same thing they did with direct smoking. They couldn’t get past the chemistry happening during smoking and the bodily changes that happened when you smoke. Which physiological changes that correct themselves naturally yet again and cause no harm at all. Yet here again they claimed disease causing with nothing to back them up but their junk epidemiology then creating a new word CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP! Its all been smoke and mirrors.

      If smoking did cause LC then everyone should get it right,yet 94% of life long smokers don’t get it. Which leaves a whole avenue of actual genetic breakdown due to aging as the CULPRIT!

      Where are the Invasive cancers found for bronchial and lung in the 78-85 year old bracket at a whopping 500 per 100,000 of the population. AGE IS THE DISEASE

      Then they pull a sweet lil play and use age adjustment formulas to take the older folks with all the cancer and move them down into the younger age groups to inflate the outcomes!

      That my friend is where 50 years of propaganda came from

  16. A class action suit seems in order- against the Girl Scouts for pushing ‘ candy flavors’ such as chocolate mint in their effort to addict minors to their FDA un-approvedsugar delivery system.

    1. Russell I love it!

  17. It makes me livid when I hear about e-cigarettes being banned from anywhere. It makes no sense! There is no such thing as second hand vapor. What risk or inconvenience does it pose on anyone? No one can give me an answer for this and it drives me mad. The only thing I can think of is it resembles smoking.

    1. “The only thing I can think of is it resembles smoking.”

      That’s all it takes. FYTW

  18. It doesn’t make sense at all. Creating a bill they don’t enforce is a complete junk. It’s ironic, though. Why do they spend so much time debating the banning of cigarettes in public parks, where in fact, it’s been already billed many years ago? It’s such a waste of time and effort. Enforcement is the need in here if they wish to end the diseases and surgeries caused by smoking (http://acuquit.com.au/).

  19. So, sad to hear. Atleast, ecigars should be excluded from the banned list.
    Check my website http://www.really-ecigarette.com/

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