Tonight on The Independents: Stossel on the 'Mean' World, Montel Williams on the Marine in Mexico, Plus S.S. Follies, ISIS Folly, the Hong Kong Challenge, the Worst 2016 Presidents, and Two Minutes Hate!

Ever feel like your country has been at war forever, all over the world, with no particular overarching intelligence behind it all? On last night's episode of The Independents, Kmele Foster reminded us that we're still keeping 10,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, for whatever reason:

Tonight's installment (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) continues in the discussion that Americans have already stopped having, namely whether the our new war against the Islamic State is wise, comprehensible, or constitutional. Helping in those deliberations are Party Panelists Dagen McDowell (Fox News correspondent) and Whitney Neal (Bill of Rights Institute person), who will also weigh in on Secret Service Director Julia Pierson's resignation, and the important question of who would be the worst possible president in 2016.

Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call

Radio titan and veterans' rights champion Montel Williams comes on to talk about his impassioned congressional testimony today on behalf of the jailed-in-Mexico Marine vet Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi. Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, provides some fascinating context for what the Hong Kong protests mean for the world's most populous commie state. Eponymous Fox Business Network host, Reason.com columnist, and American hero John Stossel will preview his Thursday special on scaremongering and our allegedly "meaner" world. Finally, Fox Human Resources tattletale Bernie Maxsmith will read a bunch of mean things that you, dear Reason reader, wrote about our humble television show.

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[Almanian!]

This show is STILL on?

Seriously...

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hey. Lena Dunham has a show.

So.

[GILMORE]

ouch

[trshmnster the terrible]

What about the ebullers!?! (full disclosure, right now I'm about 500 feet away from the hospital where the patient is, so the panic may be more amplified here than the rest of the country)

[Anon E. Mouse]

+1 ground zero

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I flew into Dallas this morning. After i got off the plane, i collected ten emails and texts about Ebola from concerned acquaintances.

[GILMORE]

They all said, "STAY AWAY FROM US"

[Sy]

"I think it's a warning... stay away.."

[seguin]

You're aren't at Jason's deli are you? My gf just got done with her job there.

[Jayburd]

Ebola needs a lobbyist.

[GILMORE]

"Will No One Consider the Virus' Needs and Concerns??"

[GILMORE]

" Dagen McDowell (Fox News correspondent) and Whitney Neal (Bill of Rights Institute person)"

Is it not possible to find Party Panelists with both 'real jobs' and 'women's names'?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Bro, do you even eat at Momofuku?

[GILMORE]

Actually, no. And all my exgirlfriends wanted to take me there. I objected on purely "fuck that" grounds. Which probably began the invitable breakup.

I did however splurge on "Nobu" a few times. which is overratedly overrated. Blue Ribbon is the shit however. All variants.

[GILMORE]

For the first time ever, I actually am more interested in the "topical storm" than anything else they might talk about.

Because the 'Lesbian Couple Who Accidentally Had a Black Sperm-Donor Baby' and are now suing because ....well, because they are racist? or because the world is racist? Or because White Privilege and shit? Jesus, who knows!? I actually want a whole show on that.

Its just all kinds of culturwar stupid. With gems of insight, like,

"Cramblett's therapists have advised her that for her and her child's psychological well-being, she must relocate to a racially diverse community with good schools, according to the suit."

AND THAT COSTS MONEY!! SO SUE SOMEONE!!

And this is all in the child's best interests, really.

[Trouser-Pod]

a racially diverse community with good schools

Yeah, good luck with that!

/ducks, runs

[Irish]

Here's the best part: Look up the town that's supposedly this hot bed of racism.

Here.

The median income for a household in the CDP was $47,206, and the median income for a family was $60,510. Males had a median income of $45,212 versus $28,625 for females. The per capita income for the CDP was $23,108. About 0.8% of families and 2.7% of the population were below the poverty line, including none of those under age 18 and 4.2% of those age 65 or over.

Yeah, I'm sure this solidly middle class community with virtually no poverty is just filled with racist, black hating bigots.

We all know how secretly and horribly racist the upper-middle class is.

[GILMORE]

Yeah, which is sort of my point.

Their suit seems to rely on the fact that, "Life is imperfect", therefore I NEEDS RESTITUTION FOR MAH BLACK BABY!!

Jesus, what if they'd had a *white kid*!? Christ, the damages there! MENTAL TRAUMA FROM MATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION?

[Trouser-Pod]

Who will they sue for requiring sperm to make a baby in the first place?

[Rev-Match]

Who will they sue for requiring sperm to make a baby in the first place?

The extra chromosome they needed in order to conceive?

[Trouser-Pod]

Wrong. The Patriarchy.

[Rev-Match]

The "patriarchy" possesses that extra, necessary chromosome.

[Irish]

What's especially great are these two thoughts:

1. Where in America are people okay with lesbians but not black people?

2. Presumably these women were living in this town before having their baby. The 'racism' must have existed then. As a result, were these two women totally okay living with a bunch of awful racist bigots so long as they didn't have a black person in the family?

[GILMORE]

As noted earlier =

JERRY SPRINGER, WHERE ARE YOU!?! YOU ARE NEEDED HERE

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You are not the father.

[Suthenboy]

According to that there are 89.6 black people living there. I guess after the baby is born they can round that to 90. Oh wait....a baby counts for how many real people? And a black baby at that....3/5 of how much of a real person? I don't feel like doing the math right now.

[Trouser-Pod]

In looking up this story, I came across some comments and found the word schvoogie. While Urban Dictionary enlightened me, I have to ask: Is this a regional race word, or have been missing out/been that sheltered all these years?

[Agile Cyborg]

The middle class is actually too fucking poor to care about hating blackies. What does 70k buy anyone anymore?

Praise the LORD of Obama Capitalism, by the way.

[Irish]

70000 buys quite a bit in small town Ohio.

[Agile Cyborg]

I live in rural Ohio, sweetie. I know what 70K buys and its not much.

[GILMORE]

*Someone* needs some 'accidental' black sperm and a lawyer.

[Irish]

Define 'not much.'

Here's a decent 3 bedroom house you can buy in Uniontown for $90,000.

This very nice house is $235,000.

So housing costs seem pretty damn low, given that it's a middle class community. An average family income of almost $70,000 in a neighborhood where you can buy a decent three bedroom home for $90,000 seems pretty good to me.

Somehow I don't think the residents of Uniontown are attending soup kitchens to feed themselves.

[Timon 19]

Yeah, hardly anyone is hurting there. It's an overall pretty nice place to grow up. It's not total white trash, it's not uber-snobby Jackson Township, and it's close to both wide-open farmland and urban centers without being overwhelmingly suburban-hell (but you're close to that, if you like). And money does tend to go a very long way there.

[GILMORE]

also, don't you really think the child is going to love reading about how "Mom wanted a refund after she was *born*"

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I think some of you are just having sport with this because the women are lesbians and surrogacy is involved.

It's a simple case of them contracting for X but the vendor giving Y, and in this case its something with a heck of a lot of lasting repercussions. I don't see any reason to imply racism on anyone's part; racial cultures and the experiences of people of different races can differ and they were prepared for dealing with one and got another. Their attempts to describe the damages come off at times a bit silly, but that's because they have to navigate in this overly PC world that I should think we all deplore.

[GILMORE]

" I don't see any reason to imply racism on anyone's part"

except for the part about how its part of the basis for their lawsuit?

[Sevo]

Picky, picky...

[Timon 19]

Jesus Christ...that's probably one of the best school districts in the state, surrounded by several others that are in the top. Bonus is that that school district perpetually has less to work with than its neighbors, even with the rich Mennonite/Amish cash infusion they get every decade or so.

[Irish]

Earlier today, on the article about left-wing book banners, Shrike made the following claim:

Rush (King of the Rednecks) Limbaugh hates liberals and that includes people like FA Hayek (who hated conservatives like him).

First of all, this claim came out of nowhere because no one was talking about Rush Limbaugh. Secondly, it immediately struck me as unlikely since I could think of no reason Limbaugh would have it in for Hayek. So I did some googling, and found the following:

Exhibit 1:

I don't even remember who wrote the piece. It might have been Mr. Buckley himself, but he talked about Hayek and taxation. I was enthralled immediately, and I said, "I never heard of this. Who is this?" I began to learn everything I could about Friedrich Von Hayek, and the two primary books are The Road to Serfdom, which the Heritage Foundation has given way to people in this audience for a time when they joined the Heritage Foundation) and then The Constitution of Liberty, which is a really deep. That's deeper than The Road to Serfdom, but they're brilliant books. They're definitional. They're defining.

(cont)

[Irish]

Exhibit 2:

George Will once asked Dr. Friedrich Von Hayek, tremendous classical economist, great man, 1975, George Will, Dr. Von Hayek, why is it that intellectuals, supposed smartest people in the room, why is it that intellectuals can look right out their windows, their own homes and cars and look at their universities and not see the bounties and the growth and the greatness of capitalism? And Von Hayek said: I've troubled over this for years and I've finally concluded that for intellectuals, pseudo-intellectuals, and all liberals, it's about control. It's not about raising revenue.

The reason I bring this up is because this was the most unnecessary lie I've ever seen. Limbaugh clearly doesn't hate Hayek and since no one was talking about Limbaugh in the first place, I cannot comprehend the need to make up a bizarre lie like that.

Shrike actually is insane.

[Trouser-Pod]

Certain ideas make themselves at home in your brain, even though there's no actual basis for them. This is true regarding how I imagine Shreeky every time he posts something.

[Suthenboy]

"Shrike actually is insane."

Irish.....*sigh*.....yes, he is. He is emotionally unbalanced and mentally ill.

Tony on the other hand is really just a troll. The same person does not write under that name now that did a couple years back. I think that is some kind of organized trolling but who knows.

The Dunphy character is just that, not the same as the old Dunphy.

Don't take any of those people seriously, most especially Shreek.

There is no honor in besting a fool.

[An Innocent Man]

Yeah, there's no way this Dunphy is the same person, regardless of any appeals to, "I use voice to text now!" to explain different tone.

[Troy muy grande boner]

To think that people would go through these kind of shenanigans to troll the Reason commentariat.

Most of you are obese, mentally challenged, narcissistic, racists, speciest, misogynist, chubby, small-penised, melanin-challenged, ethically stunted, steven segal watching, pan pizza eating, pabst blue ribbon drinking, bon jovi listening reprobates. I can't imagine giving 2 shits about changing any of your minds.

[GILMORE]

HEY!?

watch that 'pan pizza' shit.

[An Innocent Man]

No, I don't like Bon Jovi...at all.

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

"Pabst Blue ribbon drinking"

Them's Internet Fightin' Words Boy.

[BigT]

Only Nicole. Specially the small penised.

[Dweebston]

Dunphy the previous was indefatigably polite, whatever else his character flaws. In the few years I've lurked I can't recall seeing him respond in kind to the vitriol he received here. Maybe he did and I missed or misremembered it, but it didn't seem to define his approach to us benighted souls. He plowed on like a dumb ox, spreading the good word to an increasingly unsympathetic audience.

Dunphy the latter is combative and stokes fires.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

It's Mary.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Mary isn't that good.

Mary doesn't argue on dead threads.

It's Dunphy.

[An Innocent Man]

Just weird that I don't think he was around for quite awhile, then comes back sounding...different. Maybe something happened. Maybe he got married.

[Whahappan?]

I concur, it's Dunphy. And he was always a smug, condescending, delusional egomaniac.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Limbaugh talks admirably about Hayek quite a lot. Anyone who listens to him even semi-regularly should know that's an absurd claim.

[Irish]

I don't think Limbaugh actually follows Hayek in any meaningful way, just that Limbaugh does not hate Hayek.

[Rev-Match]

Rush (King of the Rednecks)

I don't listen to Rush, but I've heard enough to know he is anything but a "redneck".

[GILMORE]

Also, really: is that a nice thing to call Canadians? They're simple people, yes, but wholesome and unspoiled by modernity.

also, that song about the Trees was cute. Too many notes in the other ones.

[Rev-Match]

Granted. But Canadians can't be rednecks. And, as a southerner, I am displeased that someone who is, at best, a yankee would be referred to as a "redneck". (Also, it represents the disingenuousness of the author. I mean, anything after that is not worthy of my attention.)

[BigT]

Rush us from slave state Misery. Not a Yanqi.

[Dweebston]

Had to pay a parking ticket today. Noticed for the first time an online payment option. The city website first had me add the ticket to my "cart," and then proceed to "checkout." The confirmation page jauntily thanked me for my payment.

I kinda miss the days when stodgy government utility types tried to avoid aping businesses, and instead wrapped up the proceedings in stern formalities with finger-wagging overtones and ominous warnings about nonpayment.

[Agile Cyborg]

Stossel has been a massive weak-kneed fuck lately. I think he's attractive in a hobo sort of way but he is pissing me off with his Fox blandness. CNN and MSNBC are pure milquetoast... however, Stossel, who should know better has been interviewing these sleazy haters of Liberty (the satan of the FRC, for example) like a vacationing old prick who hasn't cum in 12 years in Miami. He's a gigantic WTF/.

[GILMORE]

"he's attractive in a hobo sort of way"

You sleep with hobos?

[Agile Cyborg]

this surprises a brilliantly strange creature...?

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

Stossel is willing to fulfill your hobo fantasies.

[Rev-Match]

been interviewing these sleazy haters of Liberty

If anything, this is intellectual honesty at it's finest. One must know one's enemy in order to defeat it.

[GILMORE]

Whenever i hear the expression, "Thrown under the bus" now, and I reflect on the Obama Presidency?....

... I see in my mind the tank treads from Terminator 1 rolling over mountains of human skulls.

And i think, "they really need a bigger bus"

I first thought that when they burned Petraeus over his lady-friend. I personally think that's a sordid story of politicized scumbaggery that may come out someday. As in, the Obama admin decided he was all wrong, and instead of letting him exit on his own? Threw him headfirst out the door.

While i do think: yes, the director of the CIA probably shouldn't be pillow-talking with a girlfriend?... my suspicion is that the FBI didn't go randomly digging through his email accounts *just because of some claim of 'internet harassment'* by some cooze political fixer. That thing was all cooked up from the start to provide them an excuse AFAIK.

at best, it will become a TV movie on the Oxygen network. if that still exists.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Meh. My IPA is under 7%. I really fucked up this time.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

G&T.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I need my vitamin yeast.

[Rev-Match]

I really fucked up this time.

You did. Tighten up, Playa!

[BigT]

Little Sumpin'

[Irish]

Chris Matthews is a racist, tea bagging dog whistler.

Let's get tough here. Is this the problem of a second term that presidents get lazy, intellectually lazy, and cut off from the country and they start picking deputies for jobs instead of looking for the best people? The lazy thing to do is somebody leaves, you promote their deputy. This is, I think, part of the endemic problem of second terms. They don't go out and mix with people, find new people, new hotshots to fill these jobs. They just keep promoting the person whose turn it is and they're not as good as the person they picked the first time...

He's just saying Obama is lazy because he's a black man. We all know it!

[Irish]

I also love his example of a president being proactive:

Kennedy went out and met people like [Robert] McNamara and [Dean] Rusk and he went looking for them and he put them into the best slots he could. And he talked them into it, he recruited people he didn't even know [and] he recruited them. Presidents should go out and look for people.

Yeah, what bad things could anyone have to say about Robert McNamara or Dean Rusk?

[GILMORE]

but he was so intellectually on point 2008-2012??

[Rev-Match]

Prediction: Dreamcatchers

...hanging from Kennedy's ears.

[Rev-Match]

Awe, hoops...

[Derpetologist]

So a cartoonist is apologizing for a "racist" cartoon the White House intrusion:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/.....d-cartoon/

I lived in sub-Saharan Africa for a few years, and I can tell you watermelon is very popular there. The Swahili word for "watermelon" is tikitimaji, which literally means "melonwater" (adjectives follow nouns in Swahili).

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I would think it shows the intruder being a racist as well as a trespassing creep.

Watermelon-flavored toothpaste.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Is that some sort of Catwoman outfit?

[GILMORE]

Future Catwoman.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Kennedy likes leather.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I like 3.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

WOW!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I would love that whenever they pull out the 'he missed 60% of his debriefing meetings' they contextualize it by showing comparative numbers to other Presidents.

60% is a lot but is it the norm? The figure on its own is meaningless.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

And you REALLY don't want Biden.

[SusanM]

http://news.yahoo.com/grandmot.....37840.html

Grandmother of girl killed by Detroit police said they 'came to kill'

[Almanian!]

I just want to remind you that Rufus compared you to Lena Dunham, Independents.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Unwittingly!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

That's what Clapper said.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Meh. The military was estimating it was spending $1B per day in 2004.

[Almanian!]

Pretty soon yer talkin' REAL money

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Like in an hour.

[Almanian!]

My daughter: "Three women and a token black guy." Then she sees Matt...

PWND

[All-Seeing Monocle]

It's tokens all the way down.

[GILMORE]

she learned it from you, didnt she

[Rev-Match]

Speaking of "droning"...(*cough* Kennedy *cough*)

[Derpetologist]

The other day, I attempted to calculate the cost of killing a terrorist/insurgent/whatever. I discovered it costs approximately $15 million to kill one bad guy in the Middle East. That's up from about $2000 to kill a Viet Cong soldier.

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....-kill.html

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Have I mentioned I like Stossel?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You really want to go on that mustache ride, don't you?

[Rev-Match]

Once or twice.

[Derpetologist]

Whose up for some eye candy?

[Trouser-Pod]

Wait....that's like that shitty robbon-candy that grandmothers keep sitting around the house for years!

[All-Seeing Monocle]

What does it say about you that I was actually expecting worse than that?

[Derpetologist]

You mean like this?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

FUCK YOU, man! That hurt!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

That's unfortunate.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What kind of style is that?

[Derpetologist]

Delusional.

[GILMORE]

Who... what... is that?

[Derpetologist]

Yep, sure is pretty one that Lena Dunham:

http://i.imgur.com/s2qeTa4.jpg

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

THE GOOGLES, THEY DO NOTHING.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Lt Cdr. I had no idea.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I thought Obama gets his boys full stop.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Didn't Montel Williams once ask Sarah Palin to kill herself?

[Derpetologist]

Paging Sugarfree- Sugarfree, please pick up the white courtesy phone

[Rev-Match]

I blame Bush.

[GILMORE]

OF ALL THE PEOPLE YOU CANT FUCKING INTERRUPT?? MONTEL??

[Buddy Bizarre]

Has there ever been such a long period of time without Kennedy speaking (aside from when she's not on the show)? I was shocked!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Mexico: progressive paradise.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 1 October 2014

Riddle/Mystery/Enigma-Edition

- Kennedy: In the 1980s, we saw the future, at it involved Leather Shoulder Things like this on women's clothes. It also involved music made with Synthesizers and Blow-Dried Hair-having Men on electric motorcycles that shot lazer beams. Accessory wise, she needs elbow-gloves to go with. And a phasertron gun. She's now the heroine of our low-budget Australian Sci-Fi movie.

- Matt: Staying in theme - Matt seems dressed as the 'Dastardly Evil CEO' of the Evil Future Corporation that spreads its Evilness through some kind of corporatey robotic corporationness. And he wears Red because this Future Movie has a very low budget, and Red is about as "evil" we could afford. OK, fine, Red hair too. He also needs a German accent, because that was what we used for Evil before the A-rabs put the Evil Germans out of work.

- Kmele: Well we know who's probably going to die first in this movie's plot. Which is a shame, because he's so likeable and well dressed. But it was the 1980s, and it was a different time, when Film Cliches were still unironic. He will also need to go because there's nothing particularly 'Future-y' in Kmele's getup tonight. Come on man: no weird lapel-thing? I've got nothing here.

Live Long and Prosper

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yeah. The Pirates ain't coming back on Bumgarner.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Fred Armisen is an expert on China?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Is there some kind of teevee show going on behind all these fucking tickers?

[Rev-Match]

EVERY natural human behavior is antithetical to communist ideology.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Not the urge to control and enslave your fellow man.

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

Nor the concept of envy and hatred.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Stop teasing the Stoss!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I need Cenegenics.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

GROSS

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

George. No question.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Good answer Kmele!

[Rev-Match]

KMELE DOESN'T LIKE GIRLS!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Obama?

[Derpetologist]

The other day, I saw Chris Hedges pontificate about the evils of capitalism while holding a Starbucks cup.

Hi. Larry. Us.

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

Wayne's World probably did it better.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Two nights in a row the featured company on "Manufacturing Marvels" was from Montana.

[GILMORE]

That's how low this show goes.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I didn't know we had two manufacturing companies in the entire state.

[GILMORE]

Has no one ever pointed out John Criswell is reminiscent of the narrator from the Ed Wood movies?

e.g.

"CRISWELL =
I am Criswell! For years I have
told the almost unbelievable,
related the unreal, and shown it
to be more...than a fact.
Now I tell a tale of the
threshold, people, so astounding
that some of you may faint.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Santorum.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Great minds.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

When is the hose coming out for the panel?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That is creepy.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

YOU'RE ALL RACIST BECAUSE CRUZ WAS BORN IN CANADA.

/crumples maple leaf throws it at Kennedy and Kmele.

[Derpetologist]

Worst president? Hmm, tough competition there. I will go with George Clooney, since in a movie, he played a presidential candidate who wanted to ban the internal combustion engine. He also believes this in real life:

"If we're cut off from oil, we will find a way to power our cars. So say it and make it happen," Clooney said. "It's not ridiculous. It is possible. And these are the kind of leadership things I would love to see and could be argued about. People will say, 'It's just actors.' But I truly believe it."

http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/.....-industry/

[Rufus J. Firefly]

One word for a Romney make over:

BEARD.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

2nd word: EYEPATCH.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

PARROT.

PEG LEG.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

1st woman president?

How about FIRST PIRATE PRESIDENT, beyotch?

[Derpetologist]

It would be in keeping with his Mormon forebears:

http://www.lightplanet.com/mor.....now_l1.jpg

[Vulgar Madman]

Mirror universe Romney would kick ass.

[Rev-Match]

seems like he is over it and ready to move one

I wish.

[Rev-Match]

"on", even.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

That Fox commenter lady seems like she has a vestigial Southern accent - did she take a low-rent accent reduction course?

Embrace you accent, girl!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

(By the way, I'm told accent-reduction is a thing for media people - everyone should sound like they're from California or Iowa)

[GILMORE]

Vistigial? Are you fucking high? That was a giant freaking lizard tail. She werent hiding nothing.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Maybe by media standards.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Here are some unapologetic Southern accents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkMlBgB-Cd0

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnwMptUwiNA

[BigT]

Welch nailed it: Santorum is worst of all worlds. Hitlary close second.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yeah, John, get us to let our defenses down with your happy talk...

[All-Seeing Monocle]

A "fugget", if you will.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Who was the wrestler who slapped Stossel into deafness again?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

?

[Trouser-Pod]

Dr. D (David Schultz)

[Rev-Match]

The only "trigger warning" you should ever need is: "All clear on the range!"

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Whippin' Post, fuck yeah!!

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

David Schultz

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

(Meant that in response to Rufus)

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What an asshole.

Schultz.

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

And wrestling fans will defend this bullshit to this day.

[BigT]

No assault charge?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I thought there was.

[John Titor (Formerly Jensen)]

I believe Stossel sued him for a half a million and won.

[Derpetologist]

It's real to him, damn it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgx2WeV_Q8

[BigT]

"Whipping Post" - great lead in to 2 minutes truth

[GILMORE]

nice catch.

This might also work

[Derpetologist]

Booyah!

[GILMORE]

Leadoff batter

[GILMORE]

Double Header

[Rev-Match]

All of the 'hate' comes from Reason posters. So, we know that a whole 30 people watch this show.

[Derpetologist]

No. we just have the best comments.

[GILMORE]

Bernie is totally just throwing all of us bones

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Great work guys!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The Independents, Featuring GILMORE

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I got one!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Congrats Eddie.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Technically, that makes two in total.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

GILMORE, are you paying Bernie?

[Trouser-Pod]

Hey, give him credit-the Guidos comment was pretty great.

[GILMORE]

As noted above - i think this "hate" was just about the producers saying, "we better acknowledge those horrible freaks at the Reason site again"...

as for me? I just give good 'Hate'. its an Irish thing i think.

[BigT]

Have you ever seen Bernie and GILMORE at the same time? Hmmmmmm?

Does GILMORE ever critique Bernie's look? Hmmmmmmmm?

Yeah. Secret exposed.

[GILMORE]

dont tell Andrew Heaton

[Derpetologist]

He posted his photo a while back. GILMORE looks like Jason Statham. Bernie does not.

[GILMORE]

For the record, anyone who shaves their head and looks ready to punch you, "looks like Jason Statham"

[Derpetologist]

acknowledged.

[GILMORE]

HOLY SHIT ITS DOBBS

[kaprihenzamif]

my classmate's mother makes $62 /hr on the computer . She has been without work for seven months but last month her pay check was $15407 just working on the computer for a few hours. go to website ...

???? http://www.netjob70.com

[Francisco d'Anconia]

So she worked 248.5 hours last month. Sign me up

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Fucking hell, I think one of those uncredited ones was mine.

[Derpetologist]

Is there an emoticon for a standing ovation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvfHLr5aEqU

[Irish]

He missed another reason Sweden is a bad example of successful socialism: They actually had to privatize a great deal in the 70's because their economy was completely stagnant. Furthermore, Sweden became wealthy during WWII essentially through playing both sides and selling weaponry to the Nazis. That was the basis for their welfare state. Sweden became rich before implementing the welfare state - not after. The welfare state cannot make poor people wealthy, it can only leach off of already extant wealth and provide the illusion of success due to the fact that the people were wealthy pre-welfare state.

As a result, the primary argument in favor of the welfare state (that it helps the poor) has never actually been shown to be true. There is no country that had a large level of poverty and raised those poor people up through welfare. None. Zero.

Sweden's 'success' was the result of becoming wealthy through war profiteering before implementing the welfare state, then spending 50 years as an all-white gated community with no immigration. This is not exactly a good example of progressive ideology.

There's also the minor issue that America's median income is literally thousands of dollars higher than Sweden's meaning that the average American is quite a bit richer than the average Swede.

[Irish]

Oh, and our median income is far higher than Sweden's despite the fact that, unlike Sweden, America has always had very high levels of immigration. This means that America has brought in literally tens of millions of third world immigrants every generation - and we've managed to make them rich.

Sweden's economy has never had a mass influx from the third world and therefore has not shown its capacity to raise poorly educated people from poverty and make them middle class. Now that they actually have such an influx, they're having slight problems, such as the fact that a George Soros report found that only 20% of Somalis in Sweden have jobs compared to 50% of Somalis in America.

Those American Somalis are going to get experience, raise children who grew up in a working household, and eventually successfully integrate into the middle class. The Swedish Somalis are going to end up on welfare from now til judgment day, forming a constant, socially regressive underclass sustained entirely through wealth appropriated by the Swedish government.

The Swede lovers can try and guess which of those immigrant groups is going to turn out for the better.

[Sevo]

Irish|10.1.14 @ 11:13PM|#
..."Furthermore, Sweden became wealthy during WWII essentially through playing both sides and selling weaponry to the Nazis. That was the basis for their welfare state. Sweden became rich before implementing the welfare state - not after."...

Yes, and you are being too kind.
Long after there was any plausible threat of Nazi invasion (the excuse used to trade with the Nazis) the Swedish sympathizers (and there is no other name) continued to deliver SKF bearings for the Focke Wulf fighters and the Goering Werks panzers and that high-grade ore.
It finally took some strong words regarding post-war blockades before the Swedes grudgingly quit doing so.
Given that by that time, no one else would deal with the Nazis, the payments were in gold; you can guess where that came from.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who got 2 Minutes Hate tonight?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

With the volume down on both, and playing Dark Side of the Moon?