Secession

The Scottish Independence Vote Failed, But the Secessionist Movements Live On

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On Thursday, in a nationwide referendum, Scotland voted to remain a part of the United Kingdom—but the breakaway impulse lives on in the U.S.

Fed up with the high taxes and regulations, a handful of secessionists are trying to carve the State of Jefferson out of Northern California.

Watch Should Northern California Secede and Become the State of Jefferson? above and read the original post below:

Activists in Northern California, near the border with Oregon, are pushing to secede from the Golden State. They say they're fed up with taxes, regulation, and lack of representation. If they get their way, the country's 51st entrant would be called the State of Jefferson.

"The three major urban areas dictate politics for the entire state," says Mark Baird of the Jefferson Declaration Committee.  "Our children are leaving, our economy is crashing, we are taxed, every breath we take is regulated, and we feel that a free state will cure that."

To date, five county governments have signed on the plan and more may be joining up. 

"We can't afford to run a California style bureaucracy, that is true," says Baird. "But as a small rural state, we don't want to. "

The idea of secession in California isn't new. During the Great Depression, folks started pushing a similar plan in the same part of the state but threw in the towel after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941.

Both California's state legislature and the U.S. Congress would have to approve the plan to make Jefferson more than a pipe dream. That's not going to happen any time soon, but Northern California's separatist movement is worth exploring as a way of pushing back against a distant and unresponsive government. 

Produced by Alex Manning. Additional camera Tracy Oppenheimer.

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    1. It doesn’t matter who votes or how.

      It matters who counts the votes.

    2. Who is that ratbagging teafucker? What ever the thinks it doesn’t count, he’s white and male. So if he says that there was vote rigging, that’s racist and he just hates the Limeys because they’re bla… ok, wait, he hates Obama because he’s half black!

    3. Looks pretty blatant and significant, and assuming the videos are legit, very hard to explain. Since these are all paper ballots, it should be possible to audit/recount if necessary.

      But, I suspect these ballots will all be destroyed very soon, if they haven’t been already.

    4. There was vote rigging in Quebec on the separatist side. For example, they would reject ‘No’ ballots that had been marked slightly outside the lines claiming it was ‘spoiled’.

    5. Any rigging would be on the pro-independence side, so. This seems like utter, total bullshit.

  1. These selfish people would rather cut and run than stay and help by paying more taxes or thinking up more regulations that will get California out of its downward economic spiral.

    1. Uncaring bastards. How dare they not want to live in the destitution we’ve created. Why do they hate equality?

      1. And we all signed that social contract to give Tony part of our money, right?

  2. Canadian journalist issues a warning to his countrymen:

    “American shakedown: Police won’t charge you, but they’ll grab your money

    “U.S. police are operating a co-ordinated scheme to seize as much of the public’s cash as they can…

    “In places like Tijuana, police don’t make any pretense about this sort of thing. Here in the U.S., though, it’s dressed up in terms like “interdiction and forfeiture,” or “the equitable sharing program.”

    “Authorities claim it’s legal, but some prosecutors and judges have called it what it is: abuse.

    “In any case, it’s a nasty American reality.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/a…..-1.2760736

    1. Hey, those damn Canuckistanians can’t be just going around telling the truth! They can’t just say anything they want to! You know, even it’s the truth.

      Time to bomb Canada! Are there some moderate rebels there that we can arm?

      1. “Just arm us with some Molson’s, eh, and we promise to get bombed, eh?”

        1. +1 Moosehead, eh?

          1. Boreale and Rickard’s not good enough for you?

            1. Alexander Keith’s

  3. I dont think slap sissy jojo is going to like that.

    http://www.CryptAnon.tk

    1. jsut roll that beautiful bean footage of bought and paid for politicians!

  4. When is the Reason Foundation going to declare itself the independent and sovereign state of Reason?

    1. ‘For a country called Reason…’

      1. Secede!

        Things were much better when Postrel was Fearless Leader.

        1. Drink, comrades!

  5. OK, sorry to break my own moratorium, but guess who wrote this:

    “Abortion is actually a perfect topic for a half-hour comedy, because it touches on so many themes that comedy writers love to mine for the laughs: sex, relationships, the massive gulf between our best intentions and our actual life choices.”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_…..appen.html

    1. The Ghost of Joan Rivers?

      *** clicks link ***

    2. Honestly, while I absolutely think that the unborn have a right to not be killed, the idea of Amanduh procreating horrifies me. What an utterly repulsive human being.

  6. One look at that Jefferson seal and… surely I’m not the only one who immediately visualized the double cross of the Great Dictator?

    1. Yeah, good point.

    2. I don’t always secede, but when I do I drink Dos Equis.

  7. The Welsh will vote to secede when it’s their turn, unlike those skirt wearing sissies to the north.

  8. It’s just a ruse to bring back slavery.

    1. You kid, but there are people who actually argue this.

  9. OT: cops tell black people what to do yo not get shit. IOW Respect my authoritah!

    http://mobile.10tv.com/wbns10t…..d=8iFaj1vA

    1. “If you keep walking, we’re trained that’s a danger sign to us to shoot you in the back “

      Fixed.

    2. If you’re gonna walk in the woods, you better know what to do when a predator approaches.

  10. I’m so sickened by these neo-confederate Scots who just want to secede so they can own slaves.

    1. Why do you think they fly a St. Andrews Cross, Confederate-style, on their flag?

  11. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09…..c=rss&_r=1

    The Secret Service is completely hosed apparently. The guy who jumped the White House Fence got through the door into the building.

    1. To think there was a day in this republic when the president complained about being interrupted by the public (aka his bosses) wandering into the White House on a regular basis.

      1. Life is a bit more dangerous now.

        1. True. If only the public could be more protected from the president.

        2. Life is a bit more dangerous now.

          I really doubt life, and especially the President’s life, is more dangerous now than it was during the Civil War.

          1. True. And how did that work out for Lincoln?

            1. Just fine, while he was actually in the White House itself.

              1. But Booth could have just as easily walked up to the White House and shot him. They almost killed Seward at his home.

                1. Yeah, that was a Payne.

                2. Speaking of the Lincoln assassination, I read a pretty interesting book about it and the manhunt for Booth and his co-conspirators not so long ago. I recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

                  1. I happened to have read that not long ago also.

                    Since you liked it you might also enjoy “Bloody Crimes”, by James L. Swanson.

                    It’s about Lincoln’s funeral and the chase of Jefferson Davis.

    2. They would have stopped him sooner, if Channing Tatum were visiting that day.

  12. I don’t understand the terminology used- “Vote failed”? The vote was successful one side won, one side lost. Sounds like a successful vote to me.

    1. “Secession fails, journalists denied the chance for sexy independent-Scotland stories hardest hit.”

    2. you are correct, the vote was successful. My concern, as someone deep personal ties to Scotland was a 49-51 or 51-49 result.

      Both son’s are both US citizens and UK citizens, and I assume would have be Scottish citizens had Yes won out. one son, born in Argyll would have definitely been a Scottish citizen. The other born in Florida from a Scottish mother might have been different, but probably would have been eligible for a Scottish passport just as he is for a UK passport.

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  14. Much was made of the peaceful nature of the Scottish secession movement, contrasted with the death and destruction of the Civil War. I have always felt secession was the check on federalism and had the southern states been allowed to secede, slavery might have ended on its own and without the animosity to the benefit of all sides. I saw a segment on MHP’s show on MSNBC this morning that compared how first black pro footballers were treated in Cleveland where they were welcomed versus LA where their employment was required for the team to use the publicly owned Coliseum. There is an upcoming documentary about it.

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    Am I a libertarian?

    1. I have always felt secession was the check on federalism and had the southern states been allowed to secede, slavery might have ended on its own and without the animosity to the benefit of all sides.

      Conversely, the South might have seceded and turned into a shithole, serving as a cautionary tale for the other states against secession politics.

      Certainly I don’t see how, absent pie-in-the-sky theorizing on the part of libertarians, slavery in the South would have ended promptly without intervention.

      1. I’m torn.

        On the one hand, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of evidence that economic forces were bringing an end to slavery in the South. Compared to the North the South had virtually no industry and had the agricultural base to truck along merrily for decades as an agro economy, tariffs notwithstanding. There were nascent abolitionist movements, certainly, and there were regions where free blacks had some political sway (Louisiana, mainly), but nothing that would have ended slavery within the century, I daresay.

        On the other hand, slavery ended on its own in those European countries which practiced it in the Americas, and the South’s real money came from exports. It’s not inconceivable that a combination of political and cultural pressures might have brought an end to slavery in an independent CSA. Also, slavery was very much tied to the economic disparity between the plantation class and everyone else. Even on a personal level you can imagine how difficult it would be for one person to “own” one or two other people with whom they work and live on a daily basis (something which wasn’t uncommon in any of the states or colonies for most of our early history) compared to someone who owned a plantation with dozens of slaves that were largely out of sight and mind. Most Southerners didn’t own slaves, and one can envision a scenario where slavery becomes more of a class issue, driving the majority of Southerners to argue against it from a populist position.

    2. The thing is, the South had been throwing its weight around for decades, and with it looking like the deser population in the North would put a stop to that the Planters (would-be Aristocrats) wanted to stop playing. Maybe if they hadn’t crammed through the a law requiring the North to help them keep their slaves I would be more sympathetic. As it was, they had a clobbering coming on soooooo many grounds.

      The fear that once the Union was divided various European powers might try to snap up the pieces was real, too.

      I’m sorry, I have scant sympathy for slavers. Which is why I call myself a Crank instead of a Libertarian.

  15. Putin upset. Scotland good for summer vacation and new navy base.

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