Tonight on The Independents: Obama's 3-Year War, ISIL vs. Putin, Ray Rice's Knockout Blow, NBA Owner 'Racism,' Presidential Optics, Price-Gouging for Passport Revocations, and Snarly Aftershow!

Heard the one about America's latest, greatest Three Year Plan for bombing the bad guys away? That will kick off the discussion on tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later). Party Panelists K.T. McFarland (former Reagan-administration deputy defense secretary) and Will Rahn (Daily Beast senior editor) will preview President Barack Obama's evolving strategy to contain/destroy the Islamic State. Later in the show the panel will talk about the president's relationship with the word "optics," and also the latest NBA owner to be forced out of the league by doing something that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, for one, said wasn't remotely racist.

You have seen that awful video of NFL footballer Ray Rice stone clocking his then fiancee, right? Well, he's now been fired, even as questions abound about just how much the Baltimore Ravens and National Football League knew about the video that has sparked so much outrage. So we'll talk about it. That, and the news that the U.S. government is stone cold jacking up the prices for Americans to renounce their citizenship, from $450 to $2350. And if you think we were going to have a show without Michael Weiss talking about Vladimir Putin and Ukraine, well, you're wrong!

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

[Trouser-Pod]

S'up?

[trshmnster the terrible]

Hola

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Why does everyone keep using the word "optics" today? Did I miss out on a meme or something?

[Episiarch]

There are lasers involved. It's complicated.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Plain lasers or frikkin' lasers?

[Episiarch]

It's a chemical laser but in solid, not gaseous, form. Put simply, in deference to you, Scruffy, it's like lasing a stick of dynamite.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Ice is nice

[Episiarch]

Well, I guess it goes from God, to Jerry, to you...to the cleaners. Right, Scruffy?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

This? This is Epi. This is what happens when people get too sexually frustrated.

[Episiarch]

Oh yeah? Well what about that time I found you naked with that bowl of Jello?!?

[trshmnster the terrible]

Why use normal language in a clear and concise manner when you can be intentionally vague and use trendy buzzwords that have lost their meaning?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I have to understand the optics of this statement.

[Paul.]

There's a business meeting you should call.

[Max Power]

Because all anyone cares about anymore is how things look, not how they actually are?

[GILMORE]

^la

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Yes darling

[Atanarjuat]

I remember when Rush Limbaugh mocked the term. Now he uses it regularly.

I need to find something better listen to in the car.

[PapayaSF]

Here's what they eat at Sidwell Friends School.

Meanwhile, in Nebraska, they can't put more than two slices of salami on a sandwich, and turkey sandwiches are banned (too salty).

And $1 billion of fruit and vegetables are thrown out by school kids every year, because they are forced to take what they won't eat.

[GILMORE]

" $1 billion of fruit and vegetables are thrown out by school kids every year"

This means we're not spending enough on Fruit and Vegetable Education.
/Proglogic

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Under "Foods We Avoid", they list MSG. What the fuck is wrong with them?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Makes my son feel sick, not that it does for everybody.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Specifically MSG, or all glutamine derivatives?

I see products all the time that say "No MSG", but then they have autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed corn protein, or disodium 5 ribonucleotides, which are essentially the same thing...

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Good question. He's on a very restricted diet because of multiple chemical sensitivities, so we never bothered to check the MSG analogues since he doesn't get exposed to them in general.

[GILMORE]

THOSE CHINESE BASTARDS!!

[Heroic Mulatto]

MSG "sickness" is mostly myth.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

It probably is mostly myth. But I can guarantee that it isn't for my son. His reactions to artificial colors and flavors are unmistakable. The other two kids don't react the same way at all.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Well, yes. People can be allergic to anything. However, there are people who eat "gluten-free" not because they have celiac disease, but just because they believe it to be "healthier".

MSG was a victim to one of those earlier fads.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

My mom avoids it. She heard that it was "bad" in the late 1980's, and hasn't given it a second thought.

Meanwhile, most of my cooking involves umami/glutamine in one form or another.

[Libertymike]

There is a swath of thought here that is not very resistant to allopathic nonsense.

[Libertymike]

Don't you care about glutamate receptors being over-stimulated?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Not anymore than I care about Vitamin C toxicity. And ascorbic acid is an additive in a hell of a lot more food that you and I eat on a daily basis than MSG is.

[Libertymike]

Tisk, tisk, you know that ascorbic acid is not Vitamin C.

Synthetic, fractionated chemical ascorbic acid never grew in the ground, saw the light of day, never was alive or never was part of anything alive. Its just a cornstarch derivative, a sulfuric acid by-product.

Bio-availability and shit, you know, kind of like a car and gas does not necessarily mean movement.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Nope. I keep within the normal range. Any more than that and it tastes gross. Just like salt.

[Paul.]

I always ask for extra MSG at my restaurants.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I buy products that say "No MSG", and then I add MSG. Double delicious.

[Trouser-Pod]

Here's what they eat at Sidwell Friends School.

Oh, great. That sounds like another one of those gradeless, structureless, new age feel-gooderies.

[Max Power]

Here's what I don't get about the Ray Rice thing. How did people think his fiance became unconscious before this new video came out? It's not a surprise that he punched her, right? I mean, the first video showed her unconscious when she came out of the elevator.

[Max Power]

I guess the new video is bad optics.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

They knew. They just didn't want to believe.

[BigT]

Drinking or drugs

[trshmnster the terrible]

A group at my school hosted a debate today on feminism. I have never been more convinced that our Union is entirely unsalvageable. I have come to the conclusion that nobody knows what a right is anymore.

At least a student got in a zinger when he asked one of the speakers about whether she believed in the "nefarious white male conspiracy" of patriarchy.

[GILMORE]

"trshmnster the terrible|9.8.14 @ 8:39PM|#

A group at my school hosted a debate today on feminism. "

I suppose that was a spectrum of opinion ranging from "Its REALLY important!" to "OMG its SO IMPORTANT!", where everyone agreed they needed to 'educate themselves' more.

[GILMORE]

Will Rahn gets 'best twitter photo' i've yet seen-award.

To be fair, the only time i ever see people's twitter things is here. I'm so Internet 1.0.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

There were some awesome twitter pictures of the burning roller coaster today.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

How rude of me to not post the link:
http://twitter.com/hannahstice.....20/photo/1

Hat tip: Jesse in Manitoba

[GILMORE]

I would have snarked hard.

My idea of a "real" roller coaster was one where it had an actual body-count of people who'd died riding it.

*in fact i think both the Playland dragon coaster and the 'Mighty Mouse' had fatalities in the 1980s. The latter I think was banned even though it was 'the new one'. A car went off the track and fell like 75 feet or something into the parking lot. Not on fire. though that would have been cool.

The 'Rotor' probably had fatalities as well. Though only "choked on vomit".

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

6 Flags Magic Mountain has had a few deaths. Mostly restraint failures on fatties, though.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

The new natural selection?

[GILMORE]

That is considered 'Natural Causes'

the only 6flags/Great Adventure i knew was in Jersey. Its main 'ballbuster' ride was FreeFall.

It was more of a thing certin people were scared of due to 'fear of falling'. but it was nothing really.

[Episiarch]

Nothing compares to Action Park.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Never gonna see that likes of that again in this country.

[Episiarch]

Nope, but I got to go a bunch of times in the heyday so at least I have the memories.

[GILMORE]

Abu Gharib came close.

it was probably more sanitary. and the operators 'less drunk'.

[Suellington]

Ha! Just saw the movie The Way Way Back the other day. It featured an East Coast water park that the owner specifically said not to fix up so that it wouldn't have to meet any modern codes. Must have been a play on Action Park.

[SusanM]

Could this be the Union Jack on the 19th?

http://beyondthedss.blogspot.c.....eaves.html

[GILMORE]

Was the green 'Wales', and it got the boot because of the blue?

what a ripoff.

[SusanM]

Yes. Figure it's about time they got to be on the main flag.

[GILMORE]

Right. They have a dragon too, don't they? Maybe its time for a total upgrade.

[Derpetologist]

So a few years ago, the Arab European League put out a response to Geert Wilders' film. It's tu quoque all the way down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9z7-PXnGqM

[Heroic Mulatto]

HOLY SHIT! Fake Talmud Anti-Semitic Hoax Quote @6:58 FTL!

What Abodah Zara 4b actually says: Some boring shit about a talking donkey.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Optics.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Remember when people sat down to watch the bombing in Operation Desert Storm as if it was a movie?

They should sell it like a movie.

[Fist of Etiquette]

At least there are no comedians in the mix.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh. Looks like Foster forgot his tie.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Or is it lost in that mess of a shirt?

[BigT]

Obama coalition = foursome of awesome

[Fist of Etiquette]

Congress is in front of him, but he wants to play through?

[BigT]

It's a scramble!!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It's Kennedy's bitrthday, so she gets to interrupt everyone without any complaints from us. Capiche?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah. Like any of these people ride the subway.

[GILMORE]

For the love of god, everytime someone talks about 'terrorism', they show a montage of Terrorist Calisthenics

Has no one in the producers chair ever thought how fucking stupid and cliche this is? Jumping jacks? Really?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Well they are frightening.

[Atanarjuat]

Not to mention frickin' ridiculous. Do you really need to wear the black hoods when you struggle to do some pushups in the hot sun?

[BigT]

Optics, dude, optics. It scares the infidels and keeps their identities/faces secret.

[GILMORE]

I'm an infidel and i think its hilarious.

[Atanarjuat]

And hides their scraggly wannabe beards.

[GILMORE]

my point exactly.

And seriously, if you're main tactic is shooting people in the back of the head, and strapping explosives on yourself, do you really need Good Cardio?

[Derpetologist]

They're building lung capacity for shouting allahu akbar.

[Sevo]

Not watching, poking around the innertubze, but I see where Stephen Hawking has finally noticed who is the POTUS:

"Stephen Hawking says we could destroy the universe"
http://www.digitaltrends.com/c.....ampaign=o1

[NotAnotherSkippy]

This is fucking stupid. Either the reporter misunderstood what Hawking actually said (99.99999999% likely) or Hawking has become truly senile. There are energies more colossal in the universe than those used to find the Higgs. Example of a paper looking at 1E21 gamma rays (1Trillion GeV): http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.6256.pdf

If it were at all likely we would never have made it to 14BB years.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Barack Obama isn't going to go groveling to Congress to begrudgingly to back to the Middle East.

[BigT]

It would be good politics, but bad for his Noballs Prize legacy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jack of all isms, master of none.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Will interruptionism be discussed?

[cavalier973]

So, are they not going to mention Truett Cathey's passing?

It's literally twenty times more important than Lou Reed's death.

[Derpetologist]

The Chik-Fil-A cows will be his pallbearers.

[cavalier973]

Chickens are already organizing a protest at the funeral.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

http://trademarkcopyrightlaw.f.....chikin.jpg

[Fist of Etiquette]

They did the same with Lenin.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 8 September 2014

Happy Birthday Lisa-Edition

- Kennedy: Fuscia? I hardly even know ya!? We've made our support for "intense-color-Kennedy" well known, and this is an example why: her pale skin and dark hair makes for a fantastic contrast with bright, vivid colors. We love it.

- Matt: Nice. Polka dot tie? Which makes us wonder: are 'dots' the best part of Polka? And which would you rather do while tripping very hard on LSD? "Polka Party" OR "Country Line-Dancing"? Discuss.

- Kmele: Pink-Plaid Boyd Crowder? I would say it probably works 'best' with the dark jacket, but that would be assuming it was a good idea to begin with. I actually think its a pretty slick casual thing, but a little "Too Hip for TV", which is probably Kmele's Achilles Heel. His Kmele-Heel. Pink Plaid.

- Rahmstein: 1st example of a Windowpane suit on the show. Its nice, and I like it better here w/o Tie. The beard, meh. Matt would look pretty good in something like this.

Manbote

[GILMORE]

Mooney Suzuki

I opened for them once!

[Derpetologist]

The closest anyone ever came to convincing me to watch football was by saying that it's mutant millionaires in silly outfits who try to hurt each other.

[Fist of Etiquette]

SHE REGRETS GETTING ALL MOUTHY. Or maybe the possibility of losing half of a big salary.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Wait. I just saw Harbaugh claim they didn't see the video.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Never a justification? What if, instead of his fiancee, it was Hitler coming at him?

[BigT]

She might have been drunk, stoned. I'd be surprised if the NFL f'd this up so badly. But you never know.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yet, that's exactly what it looks like.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Put on a Breathe Right strip and SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Threatening to eat the royal baby is treason!

[GILMORE]

I heard the price talk on TV earlier, and he's a mumbling cunt.

[GILMORE]

Prince.

Fuck. The british guy who is related to the queen.

[Fist of Etiquette]

These diets are beginning to sound scattershot.

[Atanarjuat]

Princess Whoever: most successful gold-digger ever?

[Fist of Etiquette]

You've made that much off DC scum, why are you still in ass deep in DC scum?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

$900 000 in the hole? How?

[GILMORE]

she's a coke freak

[Fist of Etiquette]

Fiend. Please call her coke fiend. She worked so hard for that title.

[Fist of Etiquette]

These parents voted those school board members in.

[Longtorso, Johnny]

You have seen that awful video of NFL footballer Ray Rice stone clocking his then fiancee, right?

Head! Head! Body blow! Knock her out!

[Atanarjuat]

One hand clapping is louder than our surprise upon learning that Debbie What'shername Shultz is massively in debt.

[GILMORE]

Iggy Pops best song.
(excluding all the Stooges stuff)

[Antilles]

Loved Isis. JoAnna Cameron was so hot! Yeah, I'm old enough to remember her...

[GILMORE]

For some reason my livestream gets commercials tonight.

I just want to let the independents know, this episode is sponsored by someone who makes Industrial Lubricants.

[Longtorso, Johnny]

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[Trouser-Pod]

Industrial Lubricants

Go on...

[Fist of Etiquette]

Lifted from The Dark Knight Rises. Leahy totally gets that.

[Antilles]

On another note, Isis's JoAnna Cameron also had some sweet tits. Check 'em out here:

http://www.silent-porn-star.co.....755351.jpg

You're welcome...

[Atanarjuat]

One great thing about life is how many great-looking women are willing to get photographed naked (see: most of Vimeo).

The addition of the shot of her eating a banana was a nice touch.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kmele Foster is a reverse racist!

[GILMORE]

He refuses to drive in reverse?

[Fist of Etiquette]

"White guys parallel park like this, but black guys parallel park like this."

[Atanarjuat]

From a former union member (IATSE), FUCK UNIONS. I wish they could all go live in a socialist country.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He figured someone would read it and jump on it and he got in front of it. Bravo.

[BigT]

K A-J is like a broken clock. Wrong 11 times for every time he is right.

[GILMORE]

Apropos of nothing:

Americans who use the term "Ginger" in reference to redheads?

I vote = Assholes

Thats generally true for Americans who ape British conventions, except me of course.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's lucky. Bush's caddy was Cindy Sheehan.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It's not a matter of political theater but of being HUMAN you aloof weirdo.

[BigT]

.Part All of this job is theater.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster rants like a madman. Welch whips out the Obama voice.

[Atanarjuat]

He changed clothes, drove across town, ran out and set up a tee and squared off and hit it in under 10 minutes. Air Force One must have a teleporter on it.

[BigT]

Or had the presser in the clubhouse?

[Atanarjuat]

Yeah, had to have been.

[GILMORE]

Lenny Skutnick?

Thats the guy who dove into the freezing patomac river(?) to save the people from that... plane crash? or car that went off the bridge?

[BigT]

How can they collect a renunciation of citizenship fine if you are overseas?

[prolefeed]

Yeah, I don't get that either. Send them a notarized letter saying "I am not an American citizen." Keep a copy, and attach a copy of that to any correspondence the feds might send you, assuming they know where you are, when you return it saying "please see attached, you have no jurisdiction over me".

[Tejicano]

Best would be to send a copy of your new passport from your new country of residence with your US passport.

[prolefeed]

Saying you have to pay a government to no longer be their property after you have escaped from their clutches would be like slaveowners telling their slaves walking away from the plantation after the Civil War, "Hey, look, you can be a free person, as soon as you pay me a $50 slave renunciation fee. Oh, you don't have it? Well, go back to work in the fields until you do."

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Threat of drone strike?

[ant1sthenes]

Maybe they can convince the UN to pass a "Fugitive Citizen Act"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Where it's a lame segment name, more like it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Traitors should be poor!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

That doesn't go far enough. I propose we resume the practice of corruption of blood. If anyone 1/32 related to you renounces their US citizenship the government can seize your property to help pay for their fair share.

[GILMORE]

HOLY DOBBS!?

[userve32]

Sometimes man you jsut have to roll with it.

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[BigT]

Maybe Ray Rice just wanted to see if his fianc? could take a hit.

[Mike M.]

There's really nothing funny whatsoever about what he did. If that was your sister or daughter, you would want to kill the dude.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Congressional idiots..." That second word was unnecessary.

[GILMORE]

Kmele = had we left some guys there (the way we've left guys in Germany, Japan, Korea,etc) the place wouldn't be in the middle of another war.

Its not something anyone likes, but its true.

there's no single thing to blame. The Iraqis politicos wanted us out and Obama was happy to oblige for "optics" sake.

[BigT]

Just following Bush's timetable. The progs denied that for a few years so might not want to bring it up now.

[Calidissident]

ISIS wouldn't have had the success they've had in penetrating into Iraq (no pun intended), but I think they would have relished the opportunity to target an army of American soldiers right next door.

[cavalier973]

A real life Disney Prince.

Buzzfeed needs to do a video on the real life Disney Princess.

[userve32]

Those guys really do seem to know what time it is. Wow.

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