Tonight on The Independents: U.S. vs. ISIL, Russia vs. Ukraine, Michelle Obama vs. Satire, Ebola, Rape-Victim Child Support, Kinder/Gentler Drug Courts, Plus After-show

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later), keys off of dueling White House remarks today on the Islamic State: President Barack Obama's comments in Estonia, and Vice President Joe Biden's latest "gates of hell" crack. Party Panelists  Deroy Murdock (National Review Online contributor) and Jimmy Failla (cabby-turned comedian) will parse. Daily Beast national security reporter Eli Lake will then come on to talk about the various anti-ISIL war plans being cooked up. Completing the foreign policy trifecta, Michael Weiss, of the Russian-media-reading The Interpreter, will give another live report from the ground from Kiev.

Party Panel will return with commentary about the fast-spreading Ebola virus, and about a head-scratching case in Arizona where a man discovered he owed $15,000 in back child support to pay for a child he did not know he fathered with a woman who allegedly raped him when he was 14. Kings County Prosecuting Attorney Daniel Satterberg (read about him in the Reason archive) will talk about Seattle's Law Enforcement Assistance Division (LEAD), which reportedly updates the controversial drug court model to include bypassing punitive drug tests. And the co-hosts will pillory Michelle Obama's die-worthy Funny or Die snack-shaming guest-spot.

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

Comments

[Derpetologist]

Good work, Welch. The link for the Funny-or-Die clip goes to the child support story.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

And still not fixed.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Welch is working like a unionized-commie tonight.

[Hyperion]

You mean to say he's not working?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

The Funny or Die Clip is a form of child abuse.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Live? On a Wednesday? Give me a break.

[BigT]

Show is live; comments taped.

[Stickler Meeseeks]

Can we just leave Biden at the gates of hell once he gets there?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

"Woolf says Americans should pay more for their food, the rest of the world does. And he wants shoppers who are willing to pay 12 dollars for a large jar of Brooklyn pickles or seven for a chocolate bar * * *." ? A Truly Green Grocer," National Public Radio, April 23, 2008"

http://bit.ly/1lILgDP

[Hyperion]

Fuck woolf, whoever the fuck that is. I think he would look right smart with a $12 jar of pickles shoved up his ass.

[mr lizard]

Anyone who bitches about a population not paying enough to eat, is obviously not paying enough to EAT A FUCKING DICK

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS...whatever.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Losing faith in the project are we?

[Steve G]

Autoplay!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm still here. Where's everyone else?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Present

[C. Anacreon]

Even I'm here tonight! Got off work early and wifey's out of town.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The smoke never clears...

"It's like facial recognition technology: if the features match up, you conclude, "It's the same guy."

"So it is with the match between the force that drove us to Civil War more than a century and a half ago, and the force that has taken over the Republican Party in our times.

"In both cases, we see an elite insisting on their "liberty," by which they mean the freedom to dominate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....49884.html

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Popehat tweet made me think of your quip the other day about the last guy who took legal advice off the internet.

Idea: an Internet Bar Association, which can reprimand, suspend, or disbar Internet Lawyers.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Just to review - my remark was that the last guy to get legal advice off the Internet is spending 10 years in prison for tax evasion.

[PapayaSF]

As soon as leftists got total control of the Democratic Party, we started hearing an endless stream of propaganda about how the Republican Party had been taken over by "extremists."

[Notorious G.K.C.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs_sdWaqpZw

[Hyperion]

I am not watching this Interdependerants shit tonight. I'm not, I swear!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Green.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Itzy bitzy hoops.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

HUUUUUMPDAY!

[Hyperion]

Oh, fuck humpday. Today was my final day of working from home this week. Thursday and Friday I have to go into the office and contend with the insufferable assholes that they call co-workers.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Turkey slapper? I guess it is live.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Goddammit. Another comedian.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Halfdan the Bad Entertainer -

http://reason.com/blog/2014/09.....nt_4744901

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, Lord, I hate it when I'm right.

[PapayaSF]

Having helped make ISIS hugely more powerful, we're now going to "shrink" them to a more "manageable" size. Yeah, that'll work.

[Hyperion]

Look, by dropping bombs on their families, we'll force them to come to love us. It's worked so well in the past, why do you now doubt the wisdom of your fearless leaders?

[PapayaSF]

No, Obama knows "what he thinks," but he knows he can't say it out loud. So he has to hedge and dissemble, which makes it look like he doesn't know what he believes.

[Hyperion]

Actually, everything that he says makes him either look like he's a disingenuous liar or like he has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

[PapayaSF]

Which totally fits with being a left-wing empty suit affirmative action hire who wanted the job but not the responsibility.

[BigT]

Sen Obama abstains.

[amelia]

Well, there are those times when he just looks like a smug asshole.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Our precious wetlands.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Good stoned analogy, I admit.

[PapayaSF]

I laughed, especially at the "Can I have a drink of water?" line.

[Fist of Etiquette]

ISIS is kind of new to power, so I don't know if the power vacuum here is going to suck as much.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Take the country back, Joe.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Strictly, the President is not the "boss" of the Vice President.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's his boss and his parent, just like the rest of us.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Stand up, Lucifer, let 'em see you!"

[Derpetologist]

Here is my Grand Unified Theory of the Middle East:

Everyone hates everyone.

The Arabs and Persians hate each other. The Turks and the Kurds hate each other. The Sunni and the Shia hate each other. The Bedouins and the Berbers hate each other. The Muslims and Christians hate each other. And all of them hate the Jews. The Jews, not wanting to be outdone in the hating game, boldly up the ante by hating both themselves and other Jews, mostly because they are either too Jewish or not Jewish enough.

[Hyperion]

It's not a bad grand unified theory. In fact, I think it's the only one.

+3000 years of tribal warfare

[Hyperion]

And I mean, if we just let them go back to fighting each other the way they have loved to do for thousands of years, wouldn't things sort of go back to normal? I mean they would be a little too busy to worry about the USA.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

But, but we have to protect our National Interests!*

*National Interests being defined nowadays only slightly less broadly than the Commerce Clause.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

So...
Arm all sides for oil/gold; let it burn?

[Derpetologist]

Just buy their oil and stay out.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I think you should sell this book.

[GILMORE]

As they say -

Who do the arabs hate even more than the jews?
- other arabs

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Low angle shot.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It's also very cold in the studio. Welch's erect nipples are obscene!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Remember in the early shows when we could admire Kennedy's get away sticks?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

She must have complained. She does have a tattoo on her ankle, of which I could never quite make out though.

[C. Anacreon]

Hey! Newman lost his hair.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kennedy just called the Muslims sheep.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

+1 Lamb of Allah

[Hyperion]

She also just said to send more women into battle. Not sure about the wisdom of that, but go for it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Welch is getting in on a little of that interruption game.

[BigT]

Female units in the peshmerga or pets smegma?

[Fist of Etiquette]

They're still dead.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

She's a killer...

[PapayaSF]

That Egypt-UAE bombing of Libya (originally a "mysterious air raid") which caught us by surprise was very strange to me, in a "We are living in a future dystopia" way.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Don't Let a Crisis go to Waste: Anti-Immigrant Conservatives Link ISIS to Immigration

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09.....inion&_r=0

[PapayaSF]

It's not absurd. Over recent years they've caught scores of people from extra-problematic countries (e.g. Syria, Iran, etc.) crossing the Mexican border. And those are just the ones they've caught.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Is there a record of any act of terrorism or attempted act of terrorism by a Muslim that entered illegally via our Southern border?

[PapayaSF]

So what? As of 9/10/2001 there was no record of people hijacking airliners to crash them into buildings, either. You don't leave your back door open because there's no record of someone burglarizing you that way.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm so afraid.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

There's never been a bear attack in Springfield before that one incident, so I guess we need a Bear Patrol and Bear Tax.

Actually, in many neighborhoods people don't lock their doors precisely because there's no record of any burglaries or home invasions in the area.

[PapayaSF]

There are lots of burglaries and other violent crimes committed by illegal aliens in south Texas (and elsewhere). Do those count?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Not in a discussion about ISIL invading us via illegal immigrant trails.

Also, on the topic of illegal immigration and crime, two major new studies on point came out recently:

Deportations Do Not Lead to Lower Crime Rates, Study Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09.....-says.html

Clicking on Heaven's Door: The Effect of Immigrant Legalization on Crime

http://www.cato.org/publicatio.....galization

[PapayaSF]

From the Times link:

The study allowed that the program might have led to small reductions in the rates of motor vehicle theft and burglary. This result, the authors said, suggests that the people who are least likely to be deterred by the threat of deportation are the most serious criminals ? the very people the Obama administration says the program is intended to catch.

So the study pretty much proves the opposite of what you are saying.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

The study found that the reductions in those two crimes due to detention amounted to .75% and 1.5% of those two crimes committed in a three year period, and that the effect on those two crimes of detainment of an illegal < the effect of imprisoning a criminal.

It also found that for those two crimes and the more serious that illegal aliens detained committed crimes at rates lower than natives.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Does it occur at a higher rate than the indigenous population. Cite.

[PapayaSF]

Overall in the US, crime rates are lowest among whites, highest among blacks, and in between for Hispanics. So it's logical that increased Hispanic immigration would increase average crime rates.

(When people talk about immigration "lowering crime," what it usually turns out they mean is that, in a certain area, blacks have been displaced by Hispanics.)

[Bo Cara Esq.]

By the same logic would increasing Asian immigration lower crime in the US?

It's not that there isn't a logic to that, it's in one part that I think it's too short term. I imagine at one time the crime rate for the Irish in the US was higher than for other 'white' groups, but it isn't now to my knowledge.

[ant1sthenes]

If there was, do you think the government or mainstream media would let us find out about it if there was some way to avoid it? Not only would it make them look idiotic, it would threaten the goals of both parties' establishments, and even the ideals of out-of-mainstream groups like Libertarians or Greens.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I think that kind of thing would get out, yes. I mean, it wasn't convenient for 'the establishment' as I think you see it that a group of Muslims from our ally Saudi Arabia, some of which were on student visas, conducted the 9/11 attacks.

[ant1sthenes]

And yet, how many people still probably think the 9/11 terrorists were from Iraq or Afghanistan? At the time, removing Saddam Hussein was the elite agenda and had been for some time, whether by sanctions and random bombing, or by actual invasion.

[PapayaSF]

Whoa, did Kennedy just recommend bombing with pork? She is now officially an "Islamophobe" I fear.

[ant1sthenes]

Maybe she meant we should construct the bombs using pieces manufactured in hundreds of different Congressional districts?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Women are better shots?

HA!

/TIWTANLW

[Hyperion]

Yeah, and better in battle. Sure they are, until they start getting shot at.

[C. Anacreon]

This is good news -- since they are better soldiers, they should be able to take care of themselves, and we shouldn't have to worry about a rape culture, right?

[Hyperion]

We might have to worry about the jihadist raping them after they pissed their panties and fell down on the battlefield in the fetal position. It would almost be as bad as if we were sending cops to fight on a battlefield.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Man, do you find women like this kind of characterization you're making of them?

[Hyperion]

I don't find most women as having enough testosterone in their systems to enjoy being shot at on a daily basis. That's a good thing, I am in no way denigrating women. Women are in many ways superior to men. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I meant the question literally. When you are around women do you talk about them like that? If yes, what's their reaction?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

They drop their panties. It's a sight you've probably never seen.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Well, many of the women I've known here at college don't wear panties, so you have something there.

But seriously, I'm betting you wouldn't talk about women like that around actual women. That might tell you something.

[Hyperion]

Yes, you see, Bo, I am a real person, not a phony. My wife would agree with me and most other women that I know, that women, most women, admitting there are few that can do this kind of work even though they are the exception, that women do not belong on a battlefield. It's not a fucking video game you know.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Really? In front of your wife and most other women that you both know you would describe women in combat as pissing themselves after falling into a fetal position? I doubt that, but we might run in different circles.

[Hyperion]

Yes, I would say that in front of any woman that I know well enough to talk that intimately about these things.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I would think they might find that a little sexist and insulting. Not so much saying that you think women might be generally poorly constituted for combat, but in such an insulting way.

I'm not trying to sound like a nanny, but consider if women interested in libertarianism come onto a discussion like this. Many women might not find your phrasing as un problematic as the women in your life, and then they'd be like 'oh, that Rachel Maddow was right, these libertarians just have demeaning views about women.'

[Bill Dalasio]

I would think they might find that a little sexist and insulting.

So, you presume to tell Hyperion how his wife and the women he knows, women you don't know from Adam, would find his comments. Here's a hint for you, kid, you presume way too much. Maybe the SJWs you spend your life trying to crawl into might take offense, but I suspect there's a lot of women who might find your assumption that they can't bear exposure to coarse language more condescending than Hyperion's suggestion that they might not be all that okay with getting shot at.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I mean, there's a difference between saying something like 'I think in general Asians, being small, tend not to do well at basketball' and 'I think if an Asian were on the basketball court, they'd be sobbing and peeing their shorts at the sight of some big black guy driving the lane at them.'

[Hyperion]

Bo, STFU already about this! Geez, what the hell can you not understand about the fact that women are not infused with testosterone and are not commonly ready to be blood thirsty warriors like men are?

If you're too big of a pussy to say this, that's your problem, not mine.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

What I can't understand is the demeaning and insulting way you put it.

[Hyperion]

That being said, if women want to get on the battlefield, I don't want to stop them. Let them have at it. I wish them the best, but I fear the worst.

[ant1sthenes]

Man, do you find cops like to hear your unvarnished opinion about them during traffic stops?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I think women as a group =/= cops as a group.

[ant1sthenes]

I don't think either group reacts well to criticism, nor is there any chance they will take it to heart. It's a lot of trouble for no benefit. I guess you're less likely to be tasered to death by a woman, though they have more subtle ways of making you pay.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

One difference for me is there are way more women than cops, and for a political movement that matters.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Bring back Heroin?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Let cops choose...not the best beginning for describing a supposedly enlightened policy.

[Derpetologist]

The police are the rich man's stick.

"Eww, vagrants! Constable, roust them at once!"

[Trouser-Pod]

rich man's stick

Excellent band name, there.

[Hyperion]

Ok, I'm being a little distracted here and I'm very interested in this drug story in Seattle.

WTF is up with Kennedy's blouse? I mean... it's not just like she's showing some nip, but it actually appears that this blouse has a nip feature to accentuate that...

[PapayaSF]

I can't see through the stock prices.

[Hyperion]

Rewind, it's worth it.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

As a prosecutor, I'm used to the harm induction model?

[Hyperion]

People who have been arrested hundreds of times? Really?

[PapayaSF]

Not Seattle, but: Chicago woman arrested 396 times ordered to seek treatment for mental health, alcohol

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Marry your dog?

Is this another slippery slope, gay marriage discussion?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ba-dum-chhhhhh!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Magistrate: "Why are you divorcing your husband?"

Indian lady: "Because he's an incorrigible poon hound I caught humping the bitch next door!"

[Atanarjuat]

Kennedy's surfer slang (actually, all surfer slang) gives me douche-chills.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

It's authentic.

[GILMORE]

She's just quoting 'Turtle' from the movie North Shore.

That was a joke even in NY

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Laird Hamilton did shoot the pier.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

So Kennedy sounds like a ho-dad to me.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 3 September 2014

Viking On Mars-Edition

- Kennedy: Yeah, here's the thing - I don't get any of the 'sexy teacher' part out of Kennedy's hip, 1950s retro-marm throwback, and I just get the scary 'Nurse Ratchet' part. And this *despite* nips you could hang Christmas ornaments on.

- Matt: The Blue-On-Blue-On-Blue formula is, as we regularly note, one of the few things that it is hard to find fault with. We've offered suggestions on tie alternates, and possible variations on collar, but there's little else to 'fix' here (other than to tighten up that knot, dude). We love the blue suit and this is the kind of thing it can do wonderful things with if you feed it some fresh material.

- Kmele: We like that Kmele throws us a 'casual' look every other week; this is nice and subtle, and the blue-flower lapel pin actually has a snappy effect with the navy blazer and light-blue shirt - sort of like what we alluded to above. We were about to wonder out loud whether Matt had any successful 'casual options', but all that came to mind was the Sheriff Woody vest. Maybe Matt could drop a tie every now and then and put some of his weirder-color shirts back to work.

Tusen takk

[Atanarjuat]

Maybe I should head to the Obamacare-free, presumably hot-chick-rich Estonia once I finish medical school.

[Hyperion]

Heh, where are the presidents loving minions to laugh at his sooo funny jokes. Yeah, fuckface, it's really funny when you kill people with drones and fuck up the healthcare system of 300 million people.

[PapayaSF]

A hypocritical rich socialist? STOP THE PRESSES!!

Val?rie Trierweiler is a babe.

[Atanarjuat]

South Park is doing the Whale Wars parody right now.

[Hyperion]

FUCK A YOU WHALES! AND FUCK A YOU, DOLPHEEEEENSSS!

[Atanarjuat]

Japanese prison got me down...don't belong here, my eyes are round

[Notorious G.K.C.]

It's the Expandable Garden Hose!

[GILMORE]

Is Wednesday the official 'bottom of the barrel' day, newswise? because it seems like monday they are fresh and ready for some topical material, and tuesday they might have a guest that sparks debate...

..but so far today, its surfers, marrying-dogs, and statutory-rape-daddys.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

ISIL! ISIL! ISIL!

[PapayaSF]

All these doctors getting ebola sure seems to put the kibosh on the "Don't worry, it's really hard to catch" blather.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Yawn.

Wake me when it has an airborne vector.

[PapayaSF]

[Alarm clock sound]

The Canadian Health Department states that airborne transmission of Ebola is strongly suspected and the CDC admits that Ebola can be transmitted in situations where there is no physical contact between people, i.e.: via direct airborne inhalation into the lungs or into the eyes, or via contact with airborne fomites which adhere to nearby surfaces.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Umm...the third and fourth link in that article don't say what the author purports them to say at all. Like the only common word was "virus". Quite frankly, there's a lot of "truther"-like shit about Ebola out there; this is one of them. I didn't have a good feeling when the article began "The public has been misinformed regarding human-to-human transmission of Ebola." and my feeling were justified upon following the 3rd and 4th link. All that was needed was how Mossad was responsible for all it.

Read more critically.

Listen, if you want real stuff to lose your shit over, as a prepper I can give that to you all day. Hanta, H2N3, H7N7, (et al.,) antibiotic resistant TB, SARS-CoV. Prep well for Hanta and you've covered yourself for Ebola.

Check your premises.

Check your preps.

[PapayaSF]

The author is an MD specializing in lung disease, so I think "truther" is a bit hyperbolic. In any case, I don't think it's absurd to be concerned about airborne transmission of a virus which, in some forms, is transmitted that way, and which you can get from touching a wall in a hospital where there have been ebola patients. And a virus can mutate.

Although I suppose now you'll tell me that those people telling journalists not to touch walls were just being over cautious....

[Heroic Mulatto]

The author is an MD specializing in lung disease, so I think "truther" is a bit hyperbolic.

So? There's a group known as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Just because one is an expert in the field doesn't mean he is immune from conspiracy theorizing.

Anyway, here's the beginning of his second paragraph:

The Canadian Health Department states that airborne transmission of Ebola is strongly suspected

If you follow the link he gives and go to Mode of transmission you'll see this:

In laboratory settings, non-human primates exposed to aerosolized ebolavirus from pigs have become infected, however, airborne transmission has not been demonstrated between non-human primates

First of all, there is a difference between saying such an infection is possible under specific in vivo conditions and claiming that such an infection occurs in natura. Secondly, if you alt+f the phrase "strongly suspected", you'll find that it doesn't exist in the document, much less collocated with "airborne transmission". Indeed, the phrase "airborne transmission" only occurs once, and that's in the sentence I quoted above.

There's also a phrase for what Dr. Cherry did. It's called "lying by omission".

[Heroic Mulatto]

That is, wake me when it's Hantavirus, which can do the same exact shit as Ebola, but can be spread through dust particles in the air.

[PapayaSF]

Even the hemorrhagic fever variant doesn't seem to have anything near the mortality rate of ebola.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Ebola's nasty. No doubt. Also, there is a vaccine for Hanta.

[Hyperion]

Ebola is scary! Now be scared peasants! Because if ISIS doesn't scare you enough, then Ebola! Only government can save you peasants!

[PapayaSF]

Just because the government overhypes some things doesn't mean all dangers are overhyped. My sense is that this ebola outbreak is underhyped.

[ant1sthenes]

What about Russian Muslims with Ebola who arrived by illegally crossing from Mexico?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Anti-immigrant types have already been busy tying immigrants to threatening disease, too.

[PapayaSF]

By the dastardly, deceptive method of... reporting on all the diseases associated with recent illegal immigrants. How unfair!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Journalists are worse than lawyers.

[GILMORE]

'as a black dude, i trust diseases more than crazy muslims'.

[Derpetologist]

-1 Tuskegee experiment

[GILMORE]

The correct answer was "Sickle Cell Anemia" but we'll take that.

[Derpetologist]

Ebola is a virus, you tards! Anti-bacterial stuff does nothing.

[GILMORE]

lol

somewhere, people are like, "I hurd on the Tee-Vee Purell kills ebola!:

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Is this fair?

We don't care!

/The state

[PapayaSF]

Can this dude bring a civil suit against the mother?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

First funny thing a comedian has ever said on this show?

[Atanarjuat]

Holy fuck, he got a back bill for ages 14-18? Wow.

But hey, at least he was gettin' some, amiright!?

[PapayaSF]

Some rich dude should start an Unfair Child Support charity to pick up the bills for guys like this.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stossel's still doing a show on Thursday? I thought Labor Day pushed everything back a day.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Stossel doesn't recognize your inferior holidays.

He only celebrates Mo-vember.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Huh. Mike hasn't been beheaded yet.

[GILMORE]

Wrong conflict dude

Although you never know. Shaving accents happen.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Middle East - beheading
Russia - radiation poisoning
Czech Republic - defenestration
USA - shot while resisting arrest

[Bo Cara Esq.]

There was a segment on NPR the other day about the increasing visibility of beheadings in the media. My first thought was 'wow, they are really dancing around the fact that this is primarily a Muslim thing, with beheadings being prescribed in Islam.' But then they noted that beheadings by S. American drug cartels are rather common and I though 'well, OK, I guess I did jump to conclusions there.'

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You had an argument with yourself? At least you conceded.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's our Putin!

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Silly Ukrainians!

Believing anything that comes out of that hole.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hit Girl vs. Teen Wolf? What could go wrong?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Or Die!

[Hyperion]

I think that Kennedy might have laser beams in those nips. Be careful Matt and Kmele!

[Fist of Etiquette]

What flavor is pink?

[Hyperion]

Pussy? Oooops!

/Why there are no female libertarians...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Funnier than the other comedians on TI - don't think of this necessarily as high praise.

[Hyperion]

One good thing about Michelle's lunch program, the Mexican kids don't want to come here anymore. First time tonight, I lol'd.

[Sevo]

Neither do the American kids.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!Ai!DOBBS

[Hyperion]

DERBZ!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I can't sit through another aftershow.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

So did Welker wake up in a closet with a sore ass?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And his kidneys were gone.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Manning has an extra kidney and smile on his face.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Baseball brings crickets.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Poor Failla. Kennedy has stepped on every one of this punchlines.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cut off.

[Irish]

Oh good God, Amanda Marcotte.

She writes about how poor people can't afford produce, apparently ignoring the fact that all the Mexican immigrants I know somehow manage to find fresh food, not to mention the Arabs and Indians. So she's wrong to begin with since fresh food isn't really that expensive, but then she uses this as her example:

Money is also a problem. Low-income women often don't have the money for fresh produce and, in many cases, can't afford to pay for even a basic kitchen setup. One low-income mother interviewed "was living with her daughter and two grandchildren in a cockroach- and flea-infested hotel room with two double beds," and was left to prepare "all of their food in a small microwave, rinsing their utensils in the bathroom sink." Even when people have their own homes, lack of money means their kitchens are small, pests are hard to keep at bay, and they can't afford "basic kitchen tools like sharp knives, cutting boards, pots and pans."

Would it make me an evil misogynist if I pointed out that I think I've spotted the problem and figured out how this whole thing could have been avoided? Or are we still supposed to mindlessly feel sorry for poor people, even when all their problems are clearly their fault?

[Irish]

Also, how elitist is it that Marcotte apparently thinks all poor people have pests all over their kitchens? I've been to fucking third world countries where they managed to keep their living spaces clean, but apparently picking up a broom is too much work for Americans.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Even when people have their own homes, lack of money means their kitchens are small, pests are hard to keep at bay, and they can't afford "basic kitchen tools like sharp knives, cutting boards, pots and pans."

So just like every young couple during the first few months of living in the big city for the entire history of couples and/or cities?

[Irish]

Not only that, but poor people in 1923 managed to feed themselves. How does Marcotte think they did that, by hitting up the local McDonalds?

Does she think poor people are poorer today than they were in the fucking 20's?

[Heroic Mulatto]

You're assuming that Marcotte's knowledge of the 20s is deeper than that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio she half-watched once on HBO while knitting a cap for her freakish-looking boyfriend.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Or that there was MORE fresh produce (and more variety of the same) in the 1920's, before modern transportation, preservation and distribution technology?

[Irish]

I also think Marcotte needs to factor in the cost of paying for service when you eat out. I bring my lunch to work every day, a lunch I made myself, and it's much cheaper than if I even went to McDonalds. That's because there's a markup to pay for the labor when you buy something from a restaurant or fast food place.

You can cook a meal that's quite a bit cheaper than what you'd get eating out.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"I bring my lunch to work every day, a lunch I made myself, and it's much cheaper than if I even went to McDonalds."

My experience as well. In fact, lots of people have stories about how they saved money by brownbagging it rather than eating a meal out. Marcotte must have a butler that feeds her.

[ant1sthenes]

That's because there's a markup to pay for the labor when you buy something from a restaurant or fast food place.

Well, up until the left gets the minimum wage hikes they want.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Has she ever been in a supermarket? Lots of fresh produce is cheap, quite cheap.

This is really the equivalent for the left of Bush not knowing how much a gallon of milk costs. They should be ridiculed for it.

[Atanarjuat]

No shit, here in the sticks sweet potatoes were 75 cents/pound last I looked, collards are dirt cheap, and a whole roaster chicken is under 5 dollars. A family dinner for less than the price of a combo meal.

[PapayaSF]

Amanda: If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Not a problem for her. She just kills 'em anyway.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

#Pro-Life Warrior Never Rests! I am the Voice for the Voiceless!

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Actually a pretty entertaining a-show. No real news; and Kennedy is cut off!

[GILMORE]

Similar to Failla's point -

If they capitulate on 'Redskins', it wont sate the PC-police - it will excite them and they will aim higher in trying to find more things in life to label as an official social No No. Its not about 'racism'. Its about power.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

^^THis to the nth

[PapayaSF]

A 2004 National Annenberg Election Survey ? the most recent poll to canvass American Indians for their opinions on the subject ? found that 90 percent of Native Americans are not offended by the Redskins nickname.

Also, "Oklahoma" means "red people" in Choctaw, and was named by a Choctaw chief.

[Sevo]

..."found that 90 percent of Native Americans are not offended by the Redskins nickname."

10% of noisy white twits, however...

[Fist of Etiquette]

The aftershow always ends abruptly. Apparently even the Fox Biz website can't wait for Kennedy to shut up.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Crashed through 200. Bobarian should be pleased.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

I'm very cheap and easy.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Although, looking back thru the thread, half of these are Bo going "Am not!"

[GILMORE]

It was the cure all along! Crazy, right?

[Atanarjuat]

Honestly, a 4 and up would be spectacular at age 14 for most guys. Over quick, of course, but still a prime memory in his spank bank.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....39674.html

"Shooting the pier"= Surfing a wave through the legs of the pier. Very dangerous. We had a massive swell from the hurricane pass through last week, and Laird Hamilton shot the Malibu Pier.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Also from last week:
http://ktla.com/2014/08/27/wav.....ort-beach/

I used to guard summers, but I'm not in that kind of shape anymore.