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Police Abuse

Cop Forced 8 Women to Have Sex With Him Under Threat of Arrest

Robby Soave | 9.1.2014 6:09 PM

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An Oklahoma City cop was arrested for forcing eight different women to have sex with him. The officer, 27-year-old Daniel Holtzclaw, allegedly told his victims that he would arrest them if they did not engage in various sexual acts with him.

The Detroit Free Press—which covered the case because Holtzclaw is a former Eastern Michigan University football player—reports:

Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, 27, was charged with two counts of first-degree rape, four counts of sexual battery, four counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of indecent exposure, one count of first-degree burglary and one count of stalking.

Holtzclaw — a former Eastern Michigan University football player — is accused of raping at least two women while on duty and forcing four to perform oral sex, in addition to fondling the women and forcing them to expose themselves.

Holtzclaw reportedly forced women to expose themselves, fondled the women, forced four of them to perform oral sex on him and had intercourse with at least two of the women, court records show.

The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.

The Oklahoma City Fraternal Order of Police is still supporting Holtzclaw pending the results of an investigation. The organization released a statement explaining that, "Officers often find themselves unfairly targeted by all types of allegations."

Holtzclaw's family and friends have set up a Facebook page, "Justice for Daniel Holtzclaw." Supporters criticized his extremely high bail amount of $5 million.

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  1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

    Is there anyone the police unions won't support?

    1. True Scottsman   11 years ago

      prostitutes?

      1. RussianPrimeMinister   11 years ago

        Depends on your definition of support.

        They're willing to have nasty, degrading sex with them BEFORE arresting them, so obviously they care at least a little bit.

    2. Cunning Linguist   11 years ago

      Human beings might note that these are allegations and that the officer is entitled to due process. However this level of support is over the top.

    3. MJGreen   11 years ago

      Every person not affiliated with the Brotherhood.

    4. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

      Fraternal Order of Police are not unions, right?

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        Some googling shows me I'm wrong here. In my state there is no collective bargaining for police, but it appears where that's allowed the FOP indeed engages in it .

  2. RussianPrimeMinister   11 years ago

    Am I the only one here that thinks this guy looks kinda. . .Downs Syndrome?

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Nope.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Nope.

    3. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

      I thought it was Manti Te'o.

      1. dinkster   11 years ago

        He only screws imaginary women.

    4. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      Nope.

    5. buybuydandavis   11 years ago

      Best cop story ever.

      Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
      http://abcnews.go.com/US/court.....y?id=95836

      Down Syndrome is something a cop puts on his resume.

    6. HolgerDanske   11 years ago

      Nope.

      Maybe he was just trying to hug the women?

  3. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.

    Not helping.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

      Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, 27 ... The women, between 34 and 58 years old

      Sounds like the AARP also needs to get involved.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        They should convict on that alone.

      2. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

        Christie Brinkley and Helen Mirren, just sayin'

  4. DEATFBIRSECIA   11 years ago

    You know who else forced eight women to have sex with him?

    1. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

      Warty?

      1. DEATFBIRSECIA   11 years ago

        Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

      2. DEATFBIRSECIA   11 years ago

        We would also have accepted King David, Lord Krishna, as well as Hugh Hefner.

        1. buybuydandavis   11 years ago

          Hugh forced no one. Women throw themselves at Hugh to advance their "careers".

    2. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

      Clinton?

      1. Scarecrow Repair   11 years ago

        Well, that depends on your definition of "sex", "have", "force", and "definition".

        1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

          +1 I did not have sex with relatives of that woman.

    3. John C. Randolph   11 years ago

      Mao Tse-Tung?

      Oh, wait.. That would be more like 800.

      -jcr

    4. Sevo   11 years ago

      Beria.

    5. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      Saddam Hussein's sons?

  5. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

    I think we're all missing the most important issue: That Officer Holtzclaw (sounds like G.I. Joe nobody bought), after bravely patrolling his sector of the battlefield known as Oklahoma City, and taking some much needed sexual comfort from the local peasant women as compensation for his tireless protection, made it home safely at the end of his shift.

    1. DEATFBIRSECIA   11 years ago

      Nice.

  6. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    I have a hard time believing that 8 different women would conspire to accuse him of the same crime.

    I'd like to see the police disbanded. They rarely solves crimes or protect people. They mostly harass, rob, & attack innocent people.

    1. RussianPrimeMinister   11 years ago

      Almost seems like a jobs program for the mentally deficient, criminally insane, and lazy do-nothings, doesn't it?

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        Yeah, sort of like an attempt to get all the violent, stupid people in a position where they do the least harm.

        Except they don't.

        Flashback- Chicago, Summer of 2013

        I was eating at a late night Thai place. Two very fat female cops come in and sit with their backs to the window. Makes sense. There was no way they were ever going to chase down a crook, so best not to even look outside.

        1. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

          Did they check all of the affirmative action boxes?

          1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

            My memory is fuzzy, but I believe they were both white. Maybe one was Hispanic.

            Another time in Chicago, there was a big NATO meeting. The cops were out in force. They were also fat in force.

            I remember I saw 6 of them at an L stop. They were all fat and tatted up. They were fat even by Chicago cop standards. It was like they picked a bunch of people at random from Golden Corral and put them in uniforms.

            1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

              It was like they picked a bunch of people at random from Golden Corral and put them in uniforms.

              You are awarded +1000 Internets for the funniest thing I've read all day.

            2. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

              You mean that isn't the normal method that CPD officers are selected?!

  7. DEATFBIRSECIA   11 years ago

    In this schmuck's defense, with him looking like Jet Li and Matt Damon's retarded baby and all, this is probably literally the only way he was ever gonna taste Brown Sugar.

  8. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

    - White Cop
    - Black Defendants (6 or 8 of them)

    And, the officer is in Jail with a $5mm bail?
    Who arrested this guy?
    Other officers in his department?

    Usually, this is what happens to cops:
    1. They go on Vacation for months if not years (they call it paid leave).

    2. They have all their legal fees paid for by the FOP or the PBA.

    3. They waive their right to a trial buy Jury.

    4. The DA agrees to a Favorable judge.

    5. The Judge acquits.

    6. The Judge Resigns.

    7. The Cop keeps his job.

    I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to hear that this officer is still in Jail. Especially on the testimony of a bunch of black women. It's so Un-Oklahoma of them.

    1.

    1. RussianPrimeMinister   11 years ago

      The only two reason this ever happens is the cop did something so incredibly heinous and public that even his fellows in the law and order society can't save him, or he pissed off the other members of his cop shop so incredibly that they refuse to save him from his fate.

      Downs syndrome guy looks like the latter to me.

      1. sarcasmic   11 years ago

        It's not Downs. His eyes are close together. That's not Downs. That's just, well, eyes that are close together.

        1. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

          Down Syndrome was the 1st thing that came to mind when I saw the face in the picture above. That or part Asian.

          1. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

            By his name, he's probably Indian.

            1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

              Geez....Do I have to do everything around here?!?

              1. Sevo   11 years ago

                And you do it so well!

          2. PapayaSF   11 years ago

            Or fetal alcohol syndrome.

      2. Scarecrow Repair   11 years ago

        Probably didn't share.

    2. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

      3. They waive their right to a trial buy Jury.

      4. The DA agrees to a Favorable judge.

      5. The Judge acquits.

      Cops accused of serious crimes do seem to favor bench trials, don't they? I've always wondered about that.

      1. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

        Because the Judge is effectively another Cop. Paid by the same people.

      2. sarcasmic   11 years ago

        Professional courtesy goes both ways.

      3. PapayaSF   11 years ago

        The standard reason to prefer bench trials is that you expect juries to hate you. I suspect bad cops aren't popular with juries.

    3. buybuydandavis   11 years ago

      Not just arrested, but they're actually giving him two counts of rape. I'll take whatever progress we can get.

      Next step - the cops resorting to forced anal probes because they just know someone has something in their ass, *despite xrays to the contrary*, get prosecuted for forcible rape as well.

  9. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    "Officers often find themselves unfairly targeted by all types of allegations."

    No shit. Brave, Honest, Hero, and Public Servant are all examples of unfair allegations that leap right to mind. They've worked so hard to turn American policing into vile thuggery but an unfair public keeps holding out these ideas in opposition and even occasionally holding some of them to those standards. The next union contract really needs to clear that shit up.

  10. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Charged doesn't mean convicted.

    Likely he'll waive his right to a jury to get a sympathetic judge, or his brothers will intimidate the jury.

    Either way he's likely looking at a fat check when he gets his back pay after being rehired.

    1. Andrew S.   11 years ago

      With overtime, of course.

  11. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

    "Officers often find themselves unfairly targeted by all types of allegations."

    Officers were targeted.
    Cocks were sucked.
    Boobs were grabbed.

    1. SusanM   11 years ago

      Their vaginas were hopped up on goofbals and he had to administer 4 inches of justice...

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        This is why there are no libertarian wom...wait a minute, you ARE a woman.

        What are you doing here?!

        1. SusanM   11 years ago

          well, technically speaking...

          1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

            Technically speaking is the best kind of speaking.

  12. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Good thing the Fraternal Association of Police (FAP) supports the presumption of innocence. I still remember their campaign against posting booking photos online before the accused is convicted, their bail campaigns on behalf of people accused of assaulting police officers, and in general their courageous stance in favor of honoring the rights of all suspects before their trial. These brave efforts deserve applause!

  13. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

    I recently had a little debate with some badge bunny on Facebook about whether or not citizens should be empowered to resist an unlawful request, and I referenced this case. I suggested that even under these circumstances. the women would've been wrong to resist. After all, they'll eventually get their day in court, at which point the judge will likely affirm their right not to have been raped.

    1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

      Just do what the nice officer tells you, right?

      1. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

        There's a not so funny Joke in NYC pertaining to amadou diallo
        (GOOGLE if unfamiliar with the case/name)

        - Knock Knock
        - Who's there?
        - Amadou
        - Amadou who?
        - Amadou what the police tell me to do next time.

    2. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

      You bring up a great point.

      What should be the citizen's code of conduct while being arrested.

      Are we suppose to be civil and maintain our composure even though we believe that we are being unfairly (or even illegally) singled out and arrested?

      If you look at the recent police shootings, the person shot by police generally feels that they are being unfairly treated.

      -----

      Police always use the defense that the reason they kick or beat up a person after a chase is because the police can't maintain their composure.

      If this is the case, then charges like resisting arrest should be outlawed.

      1. Solomon Grundy   11 years ago

        As a practical matter, resisting a cop's orders (not including demands for sex of course) is futile and counterproductive. You're just going to make things worse for yourself. The courts are open if you want to challenge after the fact.

        I know that sounds horribly statist etc, but it's a statist world we live in. Live to fight another day.

    3. Solomon Grundy   11 years ago

      There is absolutely no circumstance in which an officer could lawfully demand that someone perform sex acts on him, so that's an easy question to answer: you absolutely should resist demands for sex.

      Very different from the question of whether you should resist a possibly unlawful arrest.

      1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

        Except that if you do, and the cop kills you, the only side of the story will be his, which will be full of furtive movements, lunging, possibly gun grabbing, and of course resisting, but his demand for sex, well that's never going to see the light of day.

        1. dantheserene   11 years ago

          And "waistbands", don't forget "waistbands".

  14. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

    Yo, just fucking stop it with the Downs comments, ninnies above. You are offending all folks and their families who are associated with that genetic disorder by linking the shitbag scum cop above with relatively harmless human beings.

    1. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

      My apologies. I did not intend to offend anyone other than the officer.

      1. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

        Broseph, continue offending the officer in question with the full force of your creatively brutal verbiage. He deserves every syllable...

    2. Solomon Grundy   11 years ago

      Are we also offending all white and Asian people by speculating on his race, Mr. Sensitive? I didn't see anyone saying that all Downs sufferers are like this cop.

      1. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

        This isn't a fucking comedy channel... no one needs to be degrading Downs people by comparing them to a goddamn rapist cop who clearly abused his authority to demean a bunch of women. He's white- it's plain to see but it doesn't even matter that the dummy is white.

        Quit acting as if using common sense is all of sudden tantamount to being sensitive.

        Libertarians should strive to be above Youtube-grade intelligence at the least.

        1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

          This isn't a fucking comedy channel

          New around here, huh?

          1. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

            Nope. Unobservant, huh?

        2. A Secret Band of Robbers   11 years ago

          Un-PC != edgy != honest

          With the obvious exception of Warty, people with chromosomal disorders are decent people, didn't choose their genetics and don't deserve to be associated with rapists for it.

    3. fuck you tulpa   11 years ago

      oh god shut the fuck up

      1. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

        Sukit, stumpy.

  15. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Matt Walsh on forthcoming PBS documentary honoring late-term abortionists:

    "Dear PBS,

    "This is quite the bold move. As a third rate, tax subsidized broadcasting outfit with a viewership in the single digits, I'd expect you'd try your best to fly under the radar. There is, after all, no conceivable reason for you to exist, nor is there a solid justification for spending tax money to keep afloat an irrelevant television channel that has long since drowned amid a sea of a million other channels....

    "The synopsis on your website says that the pro-infanticide film After Tiller paints a "humanizing" portrait of the "doctors" who openly kill fully developed babies who could survive outside of the womb ? if they weren't first poisoned or dismembered by these very "courageous" medical professionals....

    "...yes, George Tiller was a late term abortionist who was murdered a few years ago. He was shot through the eye, as I understand, which means the man who aborted him used a far more humane method than the one Tiller used to slaughter 60 thousand human children....

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      "Interestingly, it's precisely my opposition to abortion which allows me to oppose the late term abortion procedure that this man conducted on Tiller. It is only because I see abortion as wrong that I can see killing abortionists as wrong. But if I considered it to be morally sound to suck the brains out of babies, I suppose I'd be at a loss to explain why it's morally unsound to blow the brains out of baby killers.

      "Ironically, only pro-lifers can really have a problem with pro-lifers murdering abortionists."

      http://themattwalshblog.com/20.....jwswbYT.99

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        That's the dumbest tripe I've seen in a long time. Can you not even conceive that you could be wrong about abortion and that people that perform them could be human? It's all Tiller=Mengele for you?

        1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

          Can't you conceive that past the age of viability, abortion is infanticide?

          1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

            Yes, I can, which is why I wouldn't think people concerned about it are some kind of patriarchal fundamentalist morals police as pro choice extremists paint them, but Eddie and Walsh are engaging in the pro life mirror image of that.

            1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

              "people that perform [abortion] could be human"

              Even the Scarecrow's family reunion didn't have that many straw men.

              1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

                "Tiller used to slaughter 60 thousand human children...."

                Yup, total Strawman there.

                1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                  ...because?

                  1. mnarayan   11 years ago

                    You really need to stop responding to Bo. Not only does it destroy threads, it also appears to be doing him actual harm.

        2. Solomon Grundy   11 years ago

          I thought Dr. Mengele was human.

          1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

            I think I meant human in the sense of 'susceptible to or representative of the sympathies and frailties of human nature', as in the Walsh piece complaining about the movie 'humanizing' the doctors.

            1. Solomon Grundy   11 years ago

              That's an odd use of the word "human". Tiller is quoting someone else's choice of words, where "humanizing" seems to be a synonym for "sympathetic". I'm not up for a sympathetic portrayal of Dr. Mengele, are you?

              Murderers deserve no sympathy, they deserve retribution.

  16. Rich   11 years ago

    The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.

    So, Dan faces a hate crime.

    The take-away -- if you *must* commit crimes, be diverse.

    1. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

      Because of Eisenhower-era racism, the executive branch (which created and enforced Executive Order 9066 just a few years earlier) and Holder are the only civil-rights warriors sufficient to the challenge of a potentially racist local cop. Because being a federal employee naturally makes you more sympathetic to racial differences than does being a state or county employee.

      In fact, anyone who bristles at the idea of distant empires interfering in local affairs is likely a racist himself.

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        It's tiresome for anti federalists to yell racism to proponents if federalism, and it'd be nice if they took the longer historical view on things (Fugitive Slave Law), but we can't expect blacks to forget that the federal government was critical in fighting coercive state and non state Jim Crow racists.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          Yeah, bo, that fedgov is really that black man's buddy!
          "32a. The Dred Scott Decision"
          http://www.ushistory.org/us/32a.asp

          1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

            You do realize I acknowledged your point, and that it doesn't undermine anything I said, right?

            1. Sevo   11 years ago

              Bo Cara Esq.|9.1.14 @ 8:44PM|#
              "You do realize I acknowledged your point, and that it doesn't undermine anything I said, right?"

              Of course, Bo! Not a single one of your posts has you talking out of one side of your mouth! How could you ever be such a fucking asshole if you weren't such a hypocrite?
              You do realize we're tired of your act, right?

              1. mnarayan   11 years ago

                When Eddie drove Bo crazy earlier I figured it was just a one time thing. Now that it appears to be contagious, I'm kind of scared.

  17. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    I don't have enough faith in the justice system to assume *any* accused person is guilty before they're convicted, and maybe not even then. So on this particular guy I reserve judgment.

    I do not, however, the double standard on when the public should respect the presumption of innocence. Apparently the public should only do this when a policeman is accused of a series of nasty crimes. If some guy never gets to appear in court because he was choked to death after selling untaxed cigarettes, then we get to mock him as having gotten what he deserved.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      I do not, however, *approve*

    2. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

      What should be the citizen's code of conduct during legal contacts (and especially while being arrested) ?

      Are we suppose to be civil and maintain our composure even though we believe that we are being unfairly (or even illegally) singled out and arrested?

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        In practice, yes, since by the time they've targeted you they've made up their minds to f with you. You have a better chance standing up in court making your case, whether in the prosecution they bring against you or in the lawsuit you bring against the guy who arrested you.

        1. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

          Police always use the defense that the reason they kick or beat up a person after a chase is because the police can't maintain their composure.

          They are represented by Medical Experts that claim that humans can't maintain composure under certain situations.

          Time-and-Time again, police are given a free pass.

          I believe the medical experts: People do become emotional and defiant if they feel that they are being arrested for something petty or erroneously targeted or unfairly targeted.

          1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

            When they've determined to mess with you, either you (a) talk them calmly out of it (unlikely), or (b) get taken downtown and have the chance to fight it in court, or (c) you escape and become the target of a manhunt, or (d) your resistance prompts them to kill or maim you.

            Me, I prefer options (a) and (b), which are the best options available in the world we live in, as opposed to the world we *ought* to live in.

            1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

              So give them the blow job and hope to be paid for it later by the taxpayers in a nice civil suit? Doesn't this mean the cops/courts are engaged in sex trafficking?

              1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                If they're trying to rape you, "the laws of Nature and of Nature's God" entitle you to resist. Whether the courts recognize your rights depend on whether they use juries or not.

                1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

                  Or whether you survive the encounter.

            2. NYC Liberal   11 years ago

              Keep in mind that Medical Experts and experience and many many forms of police footage have shown that people do tend to become upset in certain situations.

              If the Police get a pass, so should the PERP.

  18. Libertarian   11 years ago

    Words fail me.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wom.....ginas.html

    Half of young women can't 'locate their vaginas'

    1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

      Dear Gods! Cross Britain off the list of viable human societies...

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      Looks like there's a cop who could help.

    3. Christophe   11 years ago

      Young British women be trolling.

    4. Rich   11 years ago

      The study also found that young women were uncomfortable with the word 'vagina', as 40 per cent of 16 to 25 year olds said they used names such as 'lady parts' or 'women's bits' instead. In addition, 65 per cent said they had a problem with the words 'vagina' or vulva'.

      And I suppose 90 per cent said they had a problem with the words 'vagina', vulva', 'down there', or 'vajayjay'.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        What proportion of respondents said "don't call this number again, pervert," and hung up?

        1. Rich   11 years ago

          "Very well, then. I'll mark that as 'uncomfortable with'."

        2. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

          90%

    5. Corning   11 years ago

      dude look at the diagram:

      http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multi.....21084b.jpg

      I am going to lay the blame on crappy medical diagrams and not women's ignorance about their body.

      +1 for British labelling it with a capital "C" though.

      Where is your big C?

      1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

        It IS a crappy drawing, almost Lovecraftian.

        1. SusanM   11 years ago

          V'gna F'shtuppin?

      2. Agile Cyborg   11 years ago

        Wait. What? The drawing makes perfect sense. Are you 11?

        1. mnarayan   11 years ago

          If you added a head, it would legitimately look like Danial-san getting ready to finish Johnny.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: REPEAT.

  20. userve32   11 years ago

    Sounds like your average P O S cop to me dude.

    http://www.Crypt-Anon.tk

  21. cavalier973   11 years ago

    OT: Eerie post-it note doodles.

    A little early for Halloween, perhaps...

    1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

      So he was on the phone with Comcast I see...

  22. SIV   11 years ago

    My favorite headline today:

    Just HALF of women can locate the vagina on a diagram of the female reproductive system

    1. SIV   11 years ago

      Aw HELL, I shoulda scrolled up. I figured it was just another "Blue" Tulpa circle-jerk up there.

      1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

        I figured it was just another "Blue" Tulpa circle-jerk up there.

        We got that out of the way earlier.

    2. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

      Meanwhile, 99% of men could locate the vagina on a diagram of the female reproductive system. While blindfolded. Yeah, we're just that good.

  23. cavalier973   11 years ago

    Another OT: "You stupid Americans need to show respect to President Obama, especially since he's not the stupid or immoral type that his predecessors were." ~a Canadian

    Seriously, from the "article": "In President Barack Obama, Americans have a charismatic leader with a good and honest heart. Unlike his predecessor, he's a very intelligent leader. And unlike that president's predecessor, he's a highly moral man."

    1. cavalier973   11 years ago

      Please. Give the man a fair, fighting chance. This incivility toward the leader who won over Americans and gave hope to billions of people around the world that their lives could be enhanced by his example, just naturally has to stop.

      1. SusanM   11 years ago

        President Obama's face appeared on protest signs white-faced and blood-mouthed in a satanic clown image.

        At last, the only person in North America who hasn't seen The Dark Knight

      2. DesigNate   11 years ago

        "their lives could be enhanced by his example..."

        These fucking idiots really do think he is the Messiah.

        1. HolgerDanske   11 years ago

          Don't judge them too harshly. I've noticed most foreign media get all their news directly from NYT and HuffPo.

    2. cavalier973   11 years ago

      From the comments:

      Seyi sandra
      June 21, 2013 at 8:27 AM
      One of the best posts I've read in a long long time, I just wished it could be televised! So that rude Americans can set aside their petty bickering and support President Obama!

      1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

        Why should I support the only Chicago machine politician (basically the definition of corrupt)available to run who hadn't been indicted yet? Because of the color of his skin? I think there's a word for that kind of thinking....what was it now?

  24. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

    I hope a few of you are still around, I can use your intellect and advice.

    In our little bedroom community suburb, which has been ridiculously safe for as long as it has existed, there has been a recent marked increase in burglaries, home invasions and auto thefts (no doubt related to Jerry Brown being forced to release 50K state prisoners in the past year). Concerned citizens have gotten together and are proposing a crowd-funded community project to put video cameras on certain streets to record cars, people and license plates as they pass by.

    On the NextDoor community website, there is an overwhelming outpouring of local support for this idea. I alone posted that I was unsure about the plan, that I was uncomfortable with the idea of constant surveillance of our small town citizens.

    Predictably, one local posted in reply to me "this is all out in public. What are you afraid of, C. Anacreon?"

    I've had a long day. I'd love some of those witty HnR-style replies to post in response to Mr. Glass Houses. Any suggestions?

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      I am probably OK with the local community doing for themselves, with appropriate safeguards (which I have no idea about).

    2. DesigNate   11 years ago

      Just say:

      "You."

    3. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

      Well my cynical side wants to know who is going to watch the video, because human nature being what it is, the ones who volunteer will probably be the very ones you don't want spying on you...busybodies, pervs, and gossips. Second, who is storing the video and who has access? Blackmail happens too. Third, cameras don't stop criminals; if they did Chicago, New York, every convenience store in the US and Great Britain would be crime free. Fourth, if the video actually captures some evidence--because burglars never look for things like alarms or cameras, right?--how will that evidence be used and by whom?

      1. BuSab Agent   11 years ago

        To enhance my fourth point. Evidence of a burglary would obviously go the police (for all the good that will do--police aren't in the business of finding stolen goods), but what if the evidence is:
        someone having an affair
        someone speeding
        someone's dog loose
        some teens smoking, or drinking, or canoodling
        someone skipping work or school
        someone faking a workman's comp claim and so on.

    4. cavalier973   11 years ago

      Ask them what they are not afraid of?

      Ask them if it makes sense to invite a serial killer to live with you as a precaution against burglars?

  25. PapayaSF   11 years ago

    The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.

    So, when all of a black criminal's victims are white, will the DoJ investigate it as a civil rights matter?

    Haha, just kidding. We all know whites can't be victims of hate crimes, unless they're gay or female or both.

    1. Libertarian   11 years ago

      BOTH!?!? Please, go on.

  26. Paul.   11 years ago

    The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.

    Huh?

  27. perlhaqr   11 years ago

    "Holtzclaw, 27, who was a star football player in high school and college"

    Oh. Well, there you go then.

  28. solders21   11 years ago

    And so we should trust them after news like this?

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