Tonight on The Independents: Red Meat Wednesday, With John Stossel, Jalen Rose on School Choice (!), the USA Freedom Act, Two Minutes' Hate, and More!

Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) features the triumphant (if tardy!) return of Fox Human Resources Director Bernie Maxsmith, who will deliver your very best Two Minutes' Hate. It will also feature the Independents debut of basketball star-turned-commentator Jalen Rose, who will talk about his Detroit charter school the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy, his recent OC Register essay "When a ZIP code determines a child's future," and his participation in a video called "Educational Choice Now." Watch that below:

Speaking of basketball, Party Panelists Paul Mecurio (Wall Street lawyer-turned comedian) and Monica Crowley (Fox News analyst, radio host, author of What the (Bleep) Just Happened? The Happy Warrior's Guide to the Great American Comeback) are slated to discuss: A) the recent controversies over ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith being suspended for his comments about domestic violence after NFL player Ray Rice was suspended (for only twice the amount of time) for actually beating up a lady; B) the latest Israel/Hamas developments; C) immigration policy debates; and D) Hillary Clinton's latest iteration of foot-in-mouth disease about her speaking career.

The co-hosts will talk about the Senate's version of the USA Freedom Act, and John Stossel himself will talk about the importance of being allowed to experiment—especially on yourself. (You won't want to miss the personal details!)

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[Fist of Etiquette]

I choose E) Some of the Above.

[BiMonSciFiCon]

I predict this show will be a slam dunk spot up three in the corner.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I demand the return of Michael Moynihan.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

What the show really needs is Michael Myers.

[GILMORE]

Bibi Netanyahu: Hamas will never accept this

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Do I even want to know what S A S said on the topic of domestic violence?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Have I mentioned I like Stossel?

But I'm afraid even he can't improve TI.

[Loki]

Fox Human Resources Director Bernie Maxsmith, who will deliver your very best Two Minutes' Hate

Your show is bad and you should feel bad!

There, hope I make the cut!

[Bobarian]

That's some weak sauce,boy!

You'll never be a dark lord of the sith unless you let your hate flow through you.

Emporer Gilmore-tine will zap you with his hate fingers if you can't do better than that.

[libertreee]

Will the two minutes of hate bring comments about how Kennedy et al bring on unabashedly pro Israel propaganda spreading the line about how Palestinians hate Hamas? Will we get a comment that the Ukraine is being covered with the same old FOX Putin Bad/Obama not good enough Republican line?

[Bobarian]

Uhh... What show are you watching?

[Heroic Mulatto]

How much heroin do you shoot before watching each episode, libertreee?

[Derpetologist]

I'll just leave this here.

[Derpetologist]

My local paper published another letter of mine. It's behind a pay wall, but here it is anyway.

I put the text on my blog: http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....-laws.html

[Bobarian]

I see you have a devoted follower. And you thought no one liked you.

Brilliant post, by the way.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I see you are being stalked.

Nice letter.

[GILMORE]

House Approves Lawsuit Against Obama

"Democrats dismissed the proposed lawsuit as a legally groundless exercise that could end up costing taxpayers millions of dollars in legal fees"

This, from the people who've blown hundreds of millions on State Health Exchanges which never actually worked, and regularly shits billions of dollars down the administrative funding toilets.

Seriously, if congress did NOTHING BUT sue each other, i'd be *thrilled*

[GILMORE]

STEVE SMITH NEVER APPROVE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

STEVE SMITH TAKE THINGS OUTSIDE

[Derpetologist]

STEVE SMITH IS KING OF FOREST

TO BE KING OF YOUR KITCHEN, USE CRESTFIELD WAX PAPER

[Bobarian]

WHAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STEVE SMITH AND BUFFALO HUNTER?

BUFFALO HUNTER SKIN ANYTHING WITH HUMP

[Derpetologist]

This is the next letter I will try to publish. I figured I'd test it here first.

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....ldren.html

[GILMORE]

Good theme. needs work. rather that do the reductio ad absurdem of banning 'baseball', etc. maybe you could consider providing examples of the # and level of hysterical things we already do on behalf of 'the children'.

(FYI i get 'amber alerts' pretty regularly on my cell phone. I have no idea what im supposed to do about them other than go, 'OK')

[Derpetologist]

Yeah, I wanted to get something down before I lost the idea.

I suppose I could simplify the structure by just calling for a ban on all the things that killed at least 1 child last year. Then it would be a big list of the most random and absurd things.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4gSJHMiSrs

[jesse.in.mb]

No Bump?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Green

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Wasn't Kennedy wearing that exact outfit last week?

[Slammer]

Maybe she hasn't been home since.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Carnally knowing.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

So both sides want to kill each other.

Who cares? Let em.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kmele. Much better.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster appears to have softened his stance on Israel.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Maybe someone showed him photos of the Itamar Massacre? (Both massacres.)

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's seldom an unpopular war when it's to defend your homeland from active attacks.

[Heroic Mulatto]

No you fucking moron. It was a reference to people like Yasser Arafat getting a Nobel Peace Prize.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Let's get one thing straight. Israel is not looking to actively destroy Palestinians. Hamas is pulling a Jihad. Israel, ergo, has no choice but to eradicate those fuckers. Simple as that.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster makes a valid point about talking about Hamas rather than the broader Palestinians.

[Bobarian]

well you don't have to accomplish any thing in the mid-east to get a peace prize. Almost as easy as beating GWB.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=draPGbwdtzM

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That is one batshit crazy bitch. All you Californians should be so proud.

[jesse.in.mb]

Your state just wishes it could troll the nation as well as my state does.

[jesse.in.mb]

Oh mehr gawd, too many Messicans!

Why do you hate Reagan, Blonde lady?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Back off, man. She's a (political) scientist.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I blame Fox News.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yay! Stoss.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stoss is on for a shameless plug.

[Bobarian]

He's plugging it on TI, that is definitely not shameless.

[Slammer]

I wish someone would negotiate a cease-fire between this show and my liver.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Do the Indies ever go on Stossel to plug this show?

[Buddy Bizarre]

Kennedy did a guest spot as host for a game show schtick a week or two ago. I can't recall if Stossel plugged The Independents, but I believe he did.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Synergy.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Chiropractors are witch doctors.

[Slammer]

+1 nose-bone

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I would never ever never ever go to one no matter how many times my buddy insists I go. Guy takes his kids to one.

Crazy if you ask me.

[Heroic Mulatto]

You ever watch the Bullshit! episode on Chiros? Penn actually tears up in rage when discussing chiropractors working on infants.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No. Will go look.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

My brother is one.

Yep.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Do you go to him?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

He lives Down Undah.

[Sevo]

As in the paper last couple of days; 'Are you diabetic? Avoid dangerous drugs!'
Read to the bottom, see Dr. X, DC.
Oops. Hope nobody goes for it.

[Sevo]

Oops
Ad in the paper, not As.

[jesse.in.mb]

Depends on the chiropractor. Good ones will tell you not to be a fat tub of lard and give you core exercises for posture and lumbar support. Bad ones tell you to come back 3 times weekly until you die of old age.

[Sevo]

OK, but the supposed 'alignments' are so much crap.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Indeed. Just be honest about being a massage therapist wearing a lab coat and we have no problem.

[jesse.in.mb]

There's sort of a long story behind this, but I disagree.

The short version is that my friend had crippling migraines multiple times per week when he was young which went away after a few treatments with my dad (a chiropractor). They come back occasionally (usually every few years) and he goes back in for some maintenance and they go away again for a few years. He credits chiropracty with making his life bearable after he'd tried all of the conservative medical treatment available at the time (this was maybe 15+ years ago).

[Heroic Mulatto]

I've heard people say similar things about traditional Chinese medicine. Which is fine...just don't pretend it's medicine. And you have to admit, chiropractic manipulation of an infant is despicable.

[jesse.in.mb]

I've never met a chiropractor that does manipulation on infants. I know a chiro that handles kids and he just recommends hanging older infants/younger toddlers upside down for a minute while the kids stretch before very carefully supporting their head and back while you right them slowly. It seems hokey, but harmless. I'd be very annoyed if I came across chiros doing more *rigorous* adjustments though.

[Sevo]

I'll be real honest real quick:
Clinical studies, decent sample size, all the rest, or forget it.
Chiro has never done so, resists it, lives on anecdote.

[jesse.in.mb]

I'm not sure you have enough straight chiropractors* anymore to get good results. Insurance companies seem to think it's better to send patients to chiros before spine surgeons because the total cost of care goes down, so something in their number crunching indicates benefit whether it be psychosomatic.

*straight chiropractor refers to the chiros who purely do whack-em', crack em' treatment

Ultimately I don't care. If my back is bothering me I can swing by my dad's place, get an adjustment, I feel better and I get back to the set of core exercises I've been slacking on.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This

[Sevo]

Regardless of 'anymore', Chiro has avoided clinical tests since day one.

[jesse.in.mb]

I don't have enough investment in this issue to get into a Jesus-doesn't-exist style debate with you on it.

[Sevo]

You seem to have enough to keep it going...

[Sevo]

And I'll keep it going for one more post, which I think is important:

"a Jesus-doesn't-exist style debate with you on it."
That misrepresents my argument, and not in a trivial manner.
I do not say 'jr. never existed'. I say 'you claim this magic man did, and there is not a shred of evidence. So, put up or shut up.'
Similarly, you want to claim chiro has validity? OK, put up or shut up.
The difference is quite clear, and I'd appreciate it if you did not misrepresent my argument.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

How many chiropractors does it take to screw in a light bulb?

One but he has to come 15 times to do it.

[Bobarian]

Not all DCs are bad; it's like cops.

95% who fuck it up for the rest of them.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Welch, turning the tables on the table turner.

[Trouser-Pod]

Slightly O/T-Did anyone see the Dumb Starbucks episode of Nathan For You last night? The guy that came in and was worried the store wasn't regulated?

Dear Zod, how does someone like that live?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Leahy? Don't believe him. Don't trust him.

[Slammer]

Any act with the word "Freedom" in it makes me suspicious as fuck.

[Sevo]

I'm sure every one is as honest as a post by Tony.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hows bouts getting rid of the PA altogether?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I know we PA expats can be a little bitter about the place but that may be going too far.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 30 July 2014

Dolls Eyes-Edition

- Kennedy: Something of a re-run of Monday? Yes, the orange is darker, and this has the neck-candy stuff, but its more or less the same, and frankly we like the 'Blaze Orange'/Duck Hunting shade oh-so-much more. We don't get 'creamsicle' so much as as those hard-candies your grandmother always had that you never wanted. Of Kennedy's sleeveless garb, we like her blinding-white thing second to Monday's day-glo l'orange.

- Matt: We'd hoped for a 'best of 3', rubber-match winner tonight to offset Tuesday's disappointing Return of the Pelt. What we get is something of a 'penalty kicks win': this appears to be the New Navy Suit! which so enthralled us last week when it first appeared: however, for some reason the pink w/blue shirt-tie combo seems to fall short of what should otherwise be a decent formula. We have been thrilled with Matt bringing the white shirts with solid ties and beg for more of that.

- Kmele: Coo yah! Kmele im run di rude bwoy bizness? We are downgrading what we previously called "The Pimp", to "The Baller"; We can't help but look at this getup and think, 'needs Gucci shades and a cigar'; and of course a Bentley Continental GT and a few scantily clad women. Kmele wins = Top Ranking Independent of the Evening.

Respect

[Derpetologist]

Here's Bloomberg's latest gun control ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GBSwxyPuaE

Can you here the pearls being clutched?

[Derpetologist]

Clutch those pearls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUAL6ie1ufc

[Heroic Mulatto]

I wonder how they talked down Bloomberg from his original idea of having the male character be a crazed Negro hopped up on reefer.

[Trouser-Pod]

If it had been up to Alice, it would have been "The Coloreds".

[Derpetologist]

*hear

damn homophones!

[Fist of Etiquette]

They should have dashcams at the White Castle.

[Bobarian]

Dash cams pointed at the driver?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Morning Zionist.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

If she said 'nigger' the reaction would have been different I bet.

[GILMORE]

What did she say?

[Trouser-Pod]

Morning Jew

[Fist of Etiquette]

They killed our Lord... in sweeps!

[Fist of Etiquette]

The pythons will eat that bacteria.

[Bobarian]

Florida Man would be the worst thing to come out of Florida

[GILMORE]

Jalen is really getting shortchanged.

C'mon yall. he dunked on jordan.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bitch set him up?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wait, his name was Stephen Smith? And he was talking about rape?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Matt Welch: 8-year-olds, Dude.

[Slammer]

ESPN has standards?

[Fist of Etiquette]

EDIT. There was an edit there. I saw it.

[Bobarian]

He got suspended for 1/8th of his employment year, not just two days.

[GILMORE]

GENDERS ALL EQUAL TO STEVE SMITH

[Fist of Etiquette]

You go, Matt.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Who the fuck is this Paul Mecurio shit?

[Fist of Etiquette]

During the commercial break he drew the short straw to be the contrarian for this segment.

[Slammer]

I guess "The power to tax is the power to destroy" is no big deal to idiots.

[GILMORE]

Yeah, he's a fucking moron. This guy was a "Wall St Lawyer"? He sounds like he was disbarred - he should understand that people in regulatory agencies, which have enormous powers to punish individuals and businesses, have incredibly high standards for ethical behavior and impartiality. Its the kind of thing that gets people fired *all the time*.

What she expressed in those emails reflected a level of partisanship totally inappropriate for *management level personnel* at one of the most powerful government agencies.

[Bobarian]

They don't say that shit on their work e-mail or at work. She needs to be publicly flogged for this, alone.

[GILMORE]

Ok, I see why they shortchanged Jalen Rose

[Fist of Etiquette]

Won't somebody think of the teachers?

[Sevo]

Yes, the politicians.

[Bobarian]

Crush the teacher's unions

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Is Jalen Rose the most successful person ever to grace The Independents? Probably.

[Bobarian]

Tallest Midget?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Good for Jalen. Nothing but good thoughts to him.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Diplomatic answers.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The kind of skill some kids need to learn.

Not to offend *unintentionally.*

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, the best part coming up.

[Bobarian]

Nice company pump there at the end.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Grassology?

Hmmmmm.

*rubs chin*

[Slammer]

OMGZ! GMOS!!11

[Fist of Etiquette]

Huh. I don't recall the context.

[GILMORE]

FoE.. elegant indeed.

[GILMORE]

Cryptoracism.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha. Cast members.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Damn. Bernie's going to be on the next Two Minutes' Hate.

[Derpetologist]

WORST 2 MINUTES EVER!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The set-up is too obvious. Not even a challenge.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

So only FoE and Hyperion got a mention?

[GILMORE]

Worst.Hate.Ever.

These 'hates' sounded like genuinely hateful people. its almost like there was a short-lived rush of liberal trolls or something.

[GILMORE]

GAH!! Dobbs!!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

So Fist and Hyp.

First one WITHOUT a GILMORE?

[GILMORE]

Since early February

I was more disappointed there was not enough 'funny' jabs, and just a lot of honestly hateful vituperation that wasnt even particularly clever.

One was basically a white person accusing Kmele of not being 'black enough'.

I find that kind of odd, particularly if you try and imagine Matt wearing what Kmele had on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm at four mentions, which means I'm catching up to Gilmore.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AND I got describe as a regular. I'm nothing if not regular.

[Bobarian]

I could better see Matt in FUBU and sideways cap.

[GILMORE]

Jalen Rose tells story how he dunked on Jordan

(cartoons are involved, worth watching)

As a basketball fan, i find this just a little funny... because if you actually tried to google for clips of "Person X" and "Jordan" and "Dunk"? 9 times out of 10 you're going to get Jordan dunking the shit out of everyone else. Over and over again. But still. Its something most people who played in those days would consider their personal 'moment'.

(Starks' "The Dunk" being my personal favorite. 1993-1996 were my favorite years of basketball and probably will be forever)

[GILMORE]

How Jalen Rose stole Patrick Ewing's VCR

[NebulousFocus]

Awesome. Thanks for posting.