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Is Campbell Brown Too 'Pretty' to File a Historic Lawsuit That Would Make It Easier to Fire Lousy Teachers in New York?

How teachers unions and their defenders are reacting to the latest anti-tenure lawsuit.

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The nonprofit advocacy group, Partnership for Education Justice (PEJ), just filed a lawsuit with the goal of making it easier to remove lousy teachers in New York. The filing comes on the heels of last month's landmark Vergara decision, in which the California Superior Court struck down five statutues that protect teachers in the Golden State from being fired.

The New York lawsuit seeks to overturn several local rules, such as a requirement that teacher layoffs be carried out in order of seniority, and a mandate that schools have to decide whether or not to grant teachers tenure within their first three years on the job. It's also aimed at simplifying the process of firing a teacher, which can take up to 18 months and cost

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taxpayers $250,000, according to the group.

Former CNN anchor Campbell Brown, who is the founder of PEJ, announced the case yesterday on the steps of New York's City Hall. She was joined by Keoni Wright, one of seven plaintiffs, who has a unique perspective on the issue: His twin daughters had widely disparate experiences with two teachers at a public school in East New York.

I was curious to see how teachers unions and their defenders are reacting to the lawsuit (which has been rumored for a while) and to Brown's new career as an education reformer. It's ugly. Here are some highlights:

  • "[Campbell Brown] is a good media figure because of her looks, but she doesn't seem to know or understand anything about teaching and why tenure matters," education activist and historian Diane Ravitch told The Washington Post. "I know it sounds sexist to say that she is pretty, but that makes her telegenic, even if what she has to say is total nonsense."
  • "[Campbell Brown] and her wealthy supporters seem to think that if teachers could be fired for any reason at any time, student achievement in high-poverty schools would miraculously soar," union leader Karen Magee writes, taking the utmost care not to hyperbolize or misrepresent the views of her opponents.
  • "It's a good thing when professionals can't simply be fired on a boss's whim," argues Salon's Gabriel Arana. The piece makes a tortured case (even by Salon standards) that the quality of a teacher doesn't affect student achievement all that much. And "figuring out who's a good teacher is pretty difficult."
  • "[Campbell Brown] failed to disclose…her husband, Dan Senor, sits on the board of the New York affiliate of StudentsFirst, an education lobbying group founded by Michelle Rhee," wrote Mother Jones' Andy Kroll last year in a piece headlined, "Who's Really Behind Campbell Brown's Sneaky Education Outfit." After revealing the horrifying news that Brown and her husband share interests, Kroll uncovered that her organization once patronized a media consulting firm with ties to Republicans. (More recently, Brown hired Obama's former press secretary, Robert Gibbs, to lead her PR campaign.)
  • Campbell Brown must be drinking from the "lucrative Republican-aligned corporate/billionaire-funded anti-union money fire hose," theorized Dave Johnson of the Campaign for America's Future in response to an education op-ed Brown published in The Wall Street Journal. If you can't respond to an argument, promote a conspiracy theory!

The Washington Post forgot to ask Diane Ravitch if the quite telegenic actor, Matt Damon, who she considers a  "true american hero," gets invited to union rallies on the basis of his deep grasp of the issues.

Three years ago, when I asked Damon at one of those events if he really believes all teachers are wonderful and if, say, 10% might be underperformers who should be let go, Damon responded (naturally) by suggesting that I was a shitty cameraman:

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  1. I don’t get this “too pretty” card, the real low hanging fruit is that she is white, and therefore racist.

    1. It’s so weird. The baseless pot shots are coming from other women, pro-statist liberals. Ironically the critique with any merit was at the bottom of the bullet list. They don’t like her because she’s for less gov’t. I just don’t know why that didn’t make the headline.

      1. It’s not weird at all. It’s the wickedness of identity politics. If you belong to a certain genetic sub-group, the progressives expect you to think and act in a certain progresive way, and woe betide you if you don’t.

        1. Right. Because heretics are always worse than unbelievers.

    2. It’s a play to the base on the left. While I won’t endorse Limbaugh’s claim of feminism as the politics of ugly women, I think it’s fair to say that, on the left, there tends to be a bias that a conventionally pretty woman is probably not very smart. The race card, on the other hand, has a significant chance of backfiring. The victims of the public school system (students in failing schools) tend to be poor and minority, while the beneficiaries (teachers, administrators, unions) tend to be middle class and white.

      1. I think it’s fair to say that, on the left, there tends to be a bias that a conventionally pretty woman is probably not very smart.

        And look at how deeply they have embedded their politics into culture when you use the phrase “conventionally pretty.” It’s a nonsense redundancy.

        1. No woman should be smart and attractive! Unfair!

          /jezzie

          1. After all, none of the smart people who work at Jez are pretty! Or Smart!

        2. Point taken. On my behalf, I was noting it as an observer of culture, rather than personally. There are a lot of women being held out as “pretty” who simply aren’t (see Dunham, Lena).

          1. And Obama, Michelle.

        3. I think “conventionally pretty” is not complete nonsense. Tastes differ and what counts as pretty or attractive does have a lot to do with culture and convention.

          I think that the left is just pissed that most of the more attractive female talking heads are right wing and they have to look at Rachel Maddow instead.

          1. It’s just that if “attractiveness” is a social construct (as they like to argue) then consensus determines attractiveness. If you are not pretty according to the mainstream, then you are not pretty. You might still be attractive to a subset, but attractiveness and consensually-arrived beauty are not the same thing.

            1. Meh. If I think you are pretty then you are pretty. I don’t care what anyone else thinks. I also don’t go around saying “conventionally pretty”. On reflection, I will agree with you that throwing “conventionally” in there was utterly pointless in this context.

        4. There are all sorts of weird fetishes out there.

      2. The victims of the public school system (students in failing schools) tend to be poor and minority, while the beneficiaries (teachers, administrators, unions) tend to be middle class and white.

        ^This. Which is why they howl so loudly. They know they’d lose in a open, honest and fact-based discussion.

        1. They know they’d lose in a open, honest and fact-based discussion.

          Worse still, it would risk letting the mask slip. A lot of the progressives’ “bleeding heart” agenda is really only nominally about helping the disadvataged. Much more often, they’re fodder for the self-serving agendas of the progressives themselves. Want to see another example, consider the perpetual extension of the student loan regime. In practical terms, its a means of getting students to go into debt to subsidize the lifestyles of the academic gentry.

          1. If psychological egoism is the truth, these progtards personify it.

          2. Or climate science. Or feminism. Or the welfare state.

            Nothing that the left does is about anything beyond power or wealth attainment.

  2. Ad hominems and straw man arguments from the left? I never!

    1. I love the “and HER WEALTHY SUPPORTERS” shtick.

      What would wealthy supporters know about good schools? Nevermind that they often send their kids to private schools that offer better education and a lower per-child cost than many of these public schools, but ugh, gross, the wealthy!

      1. If you’re wealthy, any opinion you have is automatically underpinned by a desire to make more money for yourself at someone else’s expense.

        1. Like Spaceballs II.

        2. that’s how they got wealthy. by spending thousands or millions to cut their property tax bills a few hundred dollars. perfectly sensible.

  3. Say what you will about Rush Limbaugh, but he’s said all along that Teh Wimminz Ryts groups exist basically for the benefit of…ugly chicks.

    Campbell Brown’s pretty hot. So…

    What the hell were we talking about? Yeah, Campbell Brown’s still got it, whatever the subject was.

    Carry on.

    PS Although, last time I checked, CB was a fucking retarded Proggie, soooo….does that make this Prog on Prog crime!!! Love it!

    1. Hot Prog on Prog action!

      1. pr0g pr0n

    2. Although, last time I checked, CB was a fucking retarded Proggie, soooo….does that make this Prog on Prog crime!!!

      She’s not towing the progressive lion on, therefore she is FAIR GAME and not to be communicated or argue with and may be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed

  4. Also:

    MATT DAMON!

    1. Matt Damon is too ‘conventionally retarded looking’ to be able to comment on this subject.

  5. The piece makes a tortured case (even by Salon standards) that the quality of a teacher doesn’t affect student achievement all that much.

    Then replace them all with minimum wage at-will employees.

    1. No kidding. It cracks me up that teachers tell me how hard their jobs are and how much the “make a difference” but then won’t submit to any tool or measurement that asks, “how much of a difference”, because that’s unfair and doesn’t take into account the fact that teachers…can’t make a difference. Derp.

      1. If they were actually good teachers they’d know what cognitive dissonance is.

      2. I’d be all for peer review in this case. My better teachers in high school pretty much loathed 80% of the vermin that called themselves teachers.

        1. Of course, that would mean the better teachers would be voted off the island for being good at their jobs. Majority rules after all.

    2. Saw that too, I’d go argue at Salon, but I have standards. Either that, or I’ve been banned, can’t remember

    3. Each of my children have had teachers that were literally worth their weight in gold. I would have no problems paying them that amount.

      However, each of my children have had teachers who weren’t worth a plug nickel, and I’d have no problem with them being cut loose.

      I’ll listen to the arguments about teachers being underpaid immediately after at least the very worst teachers have been fired. I’m sick of the worst teachers hiding behind the best.

      1. literally worth their weight in gold

        150 pounds is 2400 ounces, at 41300/ounce, that’s $3.12mm bucks.

        You sure?

        1. I am over 5 million dollars but I am working on it.

        2. Paying them that over 15 years? Sure, if they’re that good.

          1. oh, you meant to type the dollar sign. never mind.

          2. I think that the 4 was meant to be a $.

        3. 150 pounds

          That’s being awfully generous to a lot of teachers.

          1. For sure. I had a teacher in high school that I’m pretty sure was pushing 400 lbs at roughly 5’2″. I think. I actually didn’t see her getting up that much. When I got to class she was either already sitting up front or sitting in her office yelling things out while we worked. She claimed it was some sort of gland problem, and I claimed it was the filing cabinet that looked like a Hostess distribution center. She was one of my best teachers, though probably not worth her weight in gold.

        4. 150 lbs = 2187 troy ounces

          Today’s spot price = $1,303 per Troy ounces = $2.85M

          Technically correct is the only kind of correct.

    4. This would be reasonable.

      Only very smart kids would get anywhere, but at least we wouldn’t be forcing dumb kids to learn Algebra I four years in a row, getting nowhere because dumb kids are dumb.

      1. This is absurd. Anyone with an average IQ can learn Algebra I. I know, I taught half my class how to do it because our teacher was awful.

        1. Do you think it’s possible “kids with below average IQ” was within the extension of “dumb kids”?

          Do you…do you think that’s vaguely possible there?

    5. Also: …figuring out who’s a good teacher is pretty difficult.

      So we shouldn’t even try?

  6. So basically, she’s too hot to have an opinion.

    There was a weekend thread where Tony made a similar comment about libertarians.

    Interesting how little the left regards opinions when it doesn’t come from the right caste.

    1. Which is why they really hate black republicans.

    2. There was a weekend thread where Tony made a similar comment about libertarians.

      Of all the calumnies directed at libertarians by the likes of Tony, I doubt “too attractive” has ever been one of them.

      Unless I misunderstand your meaning there.

  7. related but OT: should these ugly people be allowed craft legislation? Seriously, they are really stretching the term beautiful, even more so than last year.

    1. Tallest midgets.

    2. DC beautiful, not real life beautiful.

      1. The LA for ugly people.

        1. Now I feel downright handsome

    3. Also, a guy I went to law school with posted this on fb earlier. His biggest complaint was… OMG RAND PAUL!!!!11111!!

      1. My biggest complaint is the fatties. Some of these look as if there is an actual war on women going on, a war in which baseball bats and ugly tree branches are the primary weapons.

    4. What the fuck? Number 7?!?!?!?!

      I demand that two minutes of my life back, Idle Hands.

      1. Oops. Forgot the link: http://thehill.com/50-most-bea…..lle-rivera

        1. your just mad because she is too much woman for you to handle.

          1. This is like the Harrison Bergeron version of beauty contests.

            1. + 1 electronic squeal

        2. Yeah. At age 29, that is not good.

      2. I know there is no forgiving that. The Hill just took a huge dive on journalistic integrity for me.

        1. And where were you last week?

          1. I got caught up in work. But seriously I need to get your email for next time.

      3. The real question is whether they make effective condom commercial ads or not?

        1. ::Whinnies approval::

          -girl from Skyn ad

    5. Bret Baier? That’s inexcusable.

      I did like how Republican aide Carmen Fuentes from Puerto Rico is blonde and pale, however.

      1. But you know he has a jet black hippie bush the size of a bicycle seat. She probably buys panties a size too big and has to stuff it all in with a rake.

        1. I LOLed.

    6. Anyone else notice that the Republican women in that list were, on average, much more attractive than the Democrat women? I’m sure that just has something to do the Rethuglikkkan war on wymenz and they’re just there to provide the EVUL PARTRIARCHY to ogle, or something like that.

    7. #1 is smoking.

      Obligatory TIWTANFL

  8. My sister is a school vice principal. Shortly after the California decision, her facebook feed seemed to blow up with teachers in her district kissing her ass. Perhaps a coincidence (she was always well liked among her peers), but certainly conspicuous timing.

  9. What do her look shave to do with anything?

    Oh, because the unionistas don’t want to argue on the merits of the achievements students have managed under the care of their teachers and schemes that reward time of service over their results.

    1. “What do her look shave to do with anything?”

      That is a John-ian level typo 🙂

      1. A John-O?

  10. I, for one, do not believe that the merits of Brown’s cause should be judged on the basis of her sexual appeal, but rather on whether she’s paid proper obeisance to teachers unions, firefighters, soldiers, children, democracy, freedom, equality, and foodstamps. We can only judge the content of a person’s character if she’s mouthed the shibboleths we hold dear.

    1. She said “shibboleth” incorrectly!

      *draws sword*

  11. So the left’s argument is “LOOK OVER THERE!”?
    Tony, commie-kid, craig and turd wrote the script.

    1. You give them much too much credit. They’re bottomdwelling mouthpieces.

  12. “[Campbell Brown] is a good media figure because of her looks, but she doesn’t seem to know or understand anything about teaching and why tenure matters,” education activist and historian Diane Ravitch told The Washington Post.

    Paging HM: didn’t DR used to be a pretty radical pro-school-choice activist before she made this recent complete 180?

    I think she might be senile.

    1. Yes, Ravitch speaks with the zealotry of the converted. However, if she was “radical” it was that she was a “radical centrist”. But, yes, she was Bush’s number one cheerleader for NCLB, charters, and accountability before she went stark, raving mad Prog.

  13. First, Campbell Brown is a major babe. Second, this is how the Left treats women who deviate from the party line, they call them bimbos and whores. This is what they did to Sarah Palin.

    1. There’s a nice independent ad campaign in there, highjacking the war on women hashtag to flag the virulent misogyny of the left. Condi Rice, Sarah Palin, now Campbell Brown; I’m sure there’s others.

      1. And Brown was a good leftist media soldier. That fact didn’t help her when the party no longer found her useful.

    2. Exactly. Ad hominem is terrible — when it is being used on them. And anyone who disagrees is a racist, misogynistic whore.

    3. Second, this is how the Left treats women who deviate from the party line, they call them bimbos and whores.

      More specifically attractive women. Ugly women who deviate from the party line aren’t attacked because ugly women are intelligent. Attractive women cannot be intelligent. Period. Even if they espouse the proper ideas, they’re only repeating what someone smarter than them said.

      1. I’d think it hard for an intelligent woman to toe the party line.

        1. toe the party line

          You aren’t from around these parts. Welcome!

    4. Now, now. They called Sarah Palon an imbecile…

      …They called her teenaged daughter a whore.

      1. Has Andrew Sullivan ever recovered or is he still as crazy as the LGF dude?

      2. If I recall they tried to paint Sarah Palin as a whore as well.

        1. IIRC, they tried,to,slander,her,by saying that *gasp*she had sex with a black basketball player. Glen Rice if my memory serves me correctly.

          Once again proving the intolerance of the left by acting like interracial sex is somehow scandalous.

        2. She took care of the bimbo part all on her own.

      3. I think it’s pretty undeniable that Bistol Palin is too stupid to charge money. She’s not a whore if she’s just giving it out to special ed doucheguzzlers like Levi Johnston.

        1. For sure. But since when did she ever get involved in politics? The Bristol Palin treatment is about how the lefty media loves to go after conservative politicians’ kids but considers Dem politicians’ kids to be untouchable. For example, Al Gore’s son was arrested drunk driving 90 mph down M street at two o’clock in the morning when his dad was VP. The media didn’t touch it and the charges were handled privately. Meanwhile, the Bush twins drinking in college was a national story.

      4. You know, even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

    5. Second, this is how the Left treats women who deviate from the party line, they call them bimbos and whores.

      As we all know, only white hate-wing men slut-shame. Therefore, these attacks are coming from TeathugliKKKans, not progs.

  14. Just as leftists show their racism by insisting that races they view as inferior need a helping hand from whites, they show their sexism by insisting that attractive women cannot be intelligent.

    Yet they are the ones who make accusations of bigotry.

    Project much?

    1. The racism of the KKK, white supremacists, and early unions was IMO far better for blacks than the racism of the modern liberal. The former was based on a fear that the black man, if not heavily regulated, would easily take the whites’ jobs and women, that the black man was dangerous. The racism of the modern lib assumes that the black man is incompetent and possibly mildly retarded. I’d rather be hated ’cause I’m a superior competitor, than “helped” because I’m retarded.

      1. You, like all other non-WASP’s, will take whatever the left wants to give you. Good and hard.

        And if you don’t like that, Tony will be more than happy to share his final solution with you.

  15. “It’s a good thing when professionals can’t simply be fired on a boss’s whim,”

    Private sector America operates without tenure. There aren’t mass whim firings to my knowledge. Regular civil service protection would still apply. What these union thugs really want is to eschew any responsibility whatsoever. Teachers simply don’t need tenure.

    1. There aren’t mass whim firings to my knowledge.

      Tell that to M$. It doesn’t change the point. Both sides of the employee-employer relationship should be voluntary and at-will. Making a slave of the employer is no more right than making a slave of the employee. Try telling union members they can’t quit to take a better paying job with someone who will treat them better.

      1. Um most union members know that they couldn’t do better outside of that unionized shop; they’d starve on the open market.

    2. Good for the professionals who have jobs, maybe. Not so good for everyone else.

    3. No large corporation in America allows its managers to fire employees on a whim. They all have employee policies and protections against that. If they didn’t, they would have a hard time attracting top talent and one bad boss could cause them to lose talent by unfairly firing people.

      1. What you describe might be the case if there were a free market in labor. As it is, companies don’t let managers fire employees on a whim because employment law has become ridiculously employee-friendly.

        1. Yes, that too. No question the EEO statutes drive a lot of it. But even if there were no such statutes, it would be bad business to make everyone’s job totally based on the whim of their boss.

          1. You don’t have to look at major companies, either. Just look at small businesses where EEO rarely comes into play. Good employers still don’t fire people on a whim because they know good help is hard to find. Bad employers might fire people on a whim, but generally go out of business shortly thereafter anyway.

      2. If they didn’t, they would have a hard time attracting top talent and one bad boss could cause them to lose talent by unfairly firing people.

        Which we need regulations to prevent because it if weren’t for regulation, businesses would retain these bad bosses because they’re profit-driven, not driven by the wants of their customers!

        /prog… logic?

  16. this can’t be overstated..

    MATT DAMON

    1. MAAAATTTTTT DAAAAAAAAAMMMMOOONNN!!!!!

      1. MAAAAAAAAAAAATT DAAAAAAAMON

        1. You don’t think that that’s a little overstated?

          1. MATT DAMONNNNNNN!!!!

  17. Court struck down five statutues

    Is “statutue” what congressblobs call the train to the Capitol?

    1. Statutue is just a typo, like teh or established by the State under Section 1311.

        1. Those are “mistakes”, especially if recorded.

  18. Sounds like a pretty solid plan to me dude. Wow.

    http://www.WentAnon.Tk

  19. I see others got to this point first, but –

    “The piece makes a tortured case (even by Salon standards) that the quality of a teacher doesn’t affect student achievement all that much. And “figuring out who’s a good teacher is pretty difficult.””

    Yeah, so now they get back to writing articles about how teachers are vastly underpaid for for all the Vitally Important Work they’re doing.

    So let’s square this circle by simply hiring the first guy who walks in off the street to ask for spare change, making him teach English, Physics and Algebra.

    1. It’s a twofer, because it addresses the Homeless Problem, too!

      And keep him in whiskey, and he’ll be too busy drinking to sexually exploit the students, which will reduce the school district’s liability.

    2. So let’s square this circle by simply hiring the first guy who walks in off the street to ask for spare change, making him teach English, Physics and Algebra.

      He probably would be indistinguishable from your average Ed major.

      1. And your average ed major != a teacher, so…

  20. Is Campbell Brown Too ‘Pretty’ to File a Historic Lawsuit That Would Make It Easier to Fire Lousy Teachers in New York?

    The filing comes on the heels of last month’s landmark Vergara decision…

    Apparently Sophie Vergara wasn’t.

  21. And, incidentally, if we’re forced to live in a regime of judicial activism, then by all means, let the judicial activists impose good, instead of bad policies on the country.

    Teachers’ unions – you suddenly don’t like judicial activism when it attacks your BS union protections? OK, then, I suppose you will also reject all the “equalization” suits to increase the budgets of small school districts, etc. etc.

    1. Taking a meat clever to legislation is not judicial activism. Its called doing your job.

  22. “Campbell Brown must be drinking from the “lucrative Republican-aligned corporate/billionaire-funded anti-union money fire hose,””

    I sure hope so! Whatever it takes to improve education!

    1. Dang, how can I wet my beak in that hose stream?!

      1. When we had our little Reason get-together here in SF a week ago, I had some wine and poutine paid for by Nick Gillespie. Finally, a Koch pay-off for my years of minion work! But I suppose Tony gets the equivalent every week from George Soros via Media Matters.

  23. Holy crap. That was hysterical to watch Matt Damon struggle with a cogent thought. Why would someone take a job with crappy salary? Well, to take a line from Mr. “the Real World” who comes on next, because that is the best job they can get. So what does that tell you about teacher quality? I’d love to put Damon in LA’s public schools for a week.

    1. Or maybe you have a spouse who makes good money and you enjoy having every holiday and all summer off and don’t really need the extra money? Or maybe you retired from another career and like teaching and don’t care what it pays?

      For leftists, everyone is struggling and works their job because it is the most money they can make and is the last and only job they will ever have.

      1. Would you hire a leftist?

        Probably not. Which is why to a leftist the job they have is likely the last job they’ll ever have.

        1. That doesn’t really agree with experience. There are plenty of very talented people doing lots of good stuff with utterly idiotic political beliefs.

          It is more that educated leftists think that the poor are all complete losers who can’t do anything to better themselves other than demand higher than market wages.

          1. I would NOT hire an educated leftist.

            That’s asking for trouble. Dangerous minds.

            Minds with corn in their brains like Mr. Hanky.

      2. Yeah, that. Not every job has to support a family of four. And most teaching jobs pay adequately, if not well, particularly considering the amount of time off. I considered teaching for a while because I would readily trade more time off for less pay, but I decided that dealing with the inevitable politics and bullshit wasn’t worth it.

      3. That is what my dad did. He was in the marines for 25 years, then did defense contracting briefly, and then bailed for a low paying teaching job which he described as “the easiest job I’ve ever had”. He makes fun of all his female coworkers who bitch about work all the time.

        So you can’t really take them seriously since most of them have never had a real job, never known what it’s like to work until late at night for 4 or 5 months out of the year. So boo hoo that they only get paid 50k a year for what is essentially part time work.

  24. failed to disclose…her husband, Dan Senor, sits on the board of the New York affiliate of StudentsFirst, an education lobbying group founded by Michelle Rhee,

    If she disclosed that she’d probably have unfairly tipped the scales against the teachers’ union.

  25. “I know it sounds sexist to say that she is pretty, but that makes her telegenic, even if what she has to say is total nonsense.”

    This may sound sexist, but Diane Ravitch is an evil cunt.

  26. Back in my day, educators used to teach students that to fully analyze any situation, you should look at it from multiple angles and take into account competing theories.

    Nowadays, apparently, teachers tell students to ignore anything that isn’t funded and supported by Democrats or the aesthetically challenged.

    Got it, thanks, updating my mental database.

  27. Google image Campbell Brown, damn she is a beautiful woman. And she is 46 with two kids. Talk about punching above your weight class.

  28. Diane Ravitch is just one more snarling, animal protecting her food bowl. It’s primitive really.

  29. So Matt Damon’s position is basically that because teachers love teaching, they should be allowed to continue doing it? Does he really not see the problem with that line of argument?

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