Tonight on The Independents: Penn Jillette, David Boaz, and Michael Weiss; Israel Diplomacy, V.A. Reform, Immigration, Rand Paul's Minority Outreach, Belated Legalization Editorializing, and Sexy Aftershow!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) will feature a two-part interview with all-purpose entertainer, bullshit-detector, and super-libertarian Penn Jillette, who will give his reaction to The New York Times very belatedly jumping on the anti-pot-prohibition bandwagon, and also talk about his new show Penn & Teller: Fool Us!, which premiers this Wednesday on CW. And if you're really nice, he'll stay for the online-only aftershow, which you can view at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10 p.m. ET.

Cato Executive Vice President David Boaz will be in studio to talk about the latest "Third Way" proposals from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) to attract minority voters to the GOP (or at least to a certain GOP presidential candidate). Speaking of Paul, here's his recent interview with Reason TV:

Michael Weiss of The Interpreter will be back on to talk about this very rough day (week? month?) of U.S.-Israeli relations. Party Panelists Katie Pavlich (co-host, Outnumbered) and Ellis Henican (Newsday columnist) will wrassle over juvenile immigrants, the new V.A. reform compromise reached on Capitol Hill, and the horse-race prospects for the 2014 and 2016 elections. And as always, what happens in the Topical Storm, stays in the Topical Storm…at least until showtime.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

So then I guess Weiss is a permanent fixture on < i The Independents? Not that I'm complaining, necessarily.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Least the dude could do then is learn how to tie a fucking four-in-hand.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Have him make a Windsor - LIVE.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

Is Kennedy back?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Wouldn't you like to know.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I would.

[Hyperion]

Is she gone again? Maybe this time, Matt made his dungeon lair more difficult to escape from.

[Sudden]

Btw, to answer your question from a previous thread about my whereabouts, I was in Vegas and Lake Mead for the past few days.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Meth in the desert, eh?

[Sudden]

Nah, my old chemistry teacher hates me too much to help me manufacture meth. He hated the fact that the Russian chick with the really tight ass sat next to me at the back of the class. And thanks to her doing all my labwork, I managed to pass that class.

Boating weekend on the lake to celebrate a buddy's birthday.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I like my nights interruption free.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

She's back and paler than ever! Adjust your TV color resolution accordingly.

[GILMORE]

I said it last week = the show's first 1/4 has devolved into 'let weiss do his rapid foreign-affairs data-dump', with no follow on comment.

Someone probably thinks this counterbalances the weekly "Ron Paul Foreign Policy Minute", where the Doctor finds new ways of saying the same thing.

[GILMORE]

"No Labels" = Self-Serving Political Fundraising Scheme To Raise Money and have "No Policy"?

No Different than anyone else i guess.

I see it as 'partisanship for David Brooks style Demopublican Insider Scumbags'. Because what America Needs are BiPartisan Elitists!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'd love to be able to market a cereal under the brand "No Labels." Without any list of the ingredients on the box.

[GILMORE]

Mystery is *sexy*

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

America's rape problem, solved by a Raw Story commentator:

This is one case when, I think, internet advocacy and writing is actually going to change things. Not in individual cases, but in the culture. We need, slowly but surely, to get culture to a place where the default assumption is, "It is your responsibility to make sure that your partner is able and willing to give consent." Because that is your responsibility when it comes to sex.

Every talk about this needs to start with, "Whose responsibility is it to make sure she/he was able and willing to give consent?"

"Mine."

"Did you?"

"No."

"Then you're a rapist."

[Cdr Lytton]

Eric Clapton recounts his own harrowing experience of being raped.

[Trouser-Pod]

Is it OK that I laughed at this a little bit?

[PapayaSF]

If only the default assumption in our culture was that rape is bad, and our laws reflected that! Oh, wait....

[Marshall Gill]

I, for one, am thrilled to hear this latest news! My son turns 13 in a couple weeks. I have been teaching him that rape is okey dokey. You can imagine my shock when I learned that we were supposed to teach our sons not to rape! Who knew? Wait until his mother hears this!

And when they say "rape is bad" they mean rape-rape, right? The other kinds are still cool?

[PapayaSF]

It's hard to say, because there are circumstances (e.g.: being a Democrat politician, especially a Clinton or a Kennedy) which can make even rape-rape not so bad.

[Hyperion]

Da Debil is here!

Look no further, the beast is among us! I knew it was gonna be a whitey!

The Son of Perdition

You know, it sort of looks to me like he may have fell against a small electric coil stove burner grate of some type, but never mind, Son of Satan is a much more likely explanation for this, I'm sure.

[Sevo]

Docs may not have an idea, but I'm pretty sure it was that red pencil in the desk drawer.

[GILMORE]

Look into his eyes. If that stare doesn't say, "living vessel of timeless evil" to you, well then i don't know what will convince you.

[Hyperion]

I thought that he sort of might resemble the offspring of Putin.

[Hyperion]

And the fact that he's running around shirtless, well...

[Trouser-Pod]

So, Satan = cross-hairs?

[GILMORE]

Someone mis-translated "mark of the beast" from latin as "hunting reticle"

happens all the time. Few people realize the Book of Revelations is actually a very badly-translated recipe for spicy gazpacho.

[Cdr Lytton]

"I saw and behold a white horseradish sauce!"

[PapayaSF]

666 = The number of the Beast.

668 = The neighbor of the Beast.

[Suellington]

The neighbor of the Beast is no longer with us, he was shot and killed by police in a wrong door raid. Seemed they used the method of counting houses from the end of the block rather than the tried and true method of looking at the address plate.

[PapayaSF]

Then I suppose Cerberus is no longer with us. And he was such a sweet pooch.

[Libertarian]

Wow. I would have never thunk it. Look at that cute picture. The devil is an anime!

[Libertarian]

Darn it. I thought the new Penn and Teller show, Fool Us, was going to debunk supernatural claims. There is quite an overlap in the venn diagrams of libertarians and skeptics. As a big fan of the Amazing Randi, I've often wondered if Penn was the "santa claus" that put up the $1 million for the JREF prize.

[GILMORE]

""the new Penn and Teller show, Fool Us""

isn't this ...old? I've seen episodes on netflix. I think it ran in the UK for 2 seasons already.

[Libertarian]

So the UK is ahead of us when it comes to TV shows AND the road to serfdom?

[GILMORE]

Exactly 5 hours ahead.

[The Last American Hero]

BS - skeptics sure as hell aren't skeptical about climateapocolypse, the need for massive government science funding, or the ability of Top Men to solve the world's problems.

[The Last American Hero]

citation - see NESS.

[Derpetologist]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen in a long time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iqyftfr_mQ

Skip to the 1:36 mark for full-strength derp.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

I want to see one of them try to speak to that grizzly bear. I figure I could sell the video footage of the result for quite a bit of money...

[Derpetologist]

I believe Werner Herzog's Grizzly Man covered that.

[robc]

What the hell is that.

I thought a trailer meant a movie, now I have no idea.

[PapayaSF]

"The Fifth World is an open source shared universe depicting a neotribal future."

[Libertarian]

And why did that remind me of this cartoon that I just saw this morning??

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-co.....ve-1-2.jpg

[robc]

Of course, their water wasnt pure.

[Derpetologist]

Dead whale explodes and sprays guts everywhere. Seriously, it's like the end of Tremors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iqyftfr_mQ

Skip to 0:53 mark.

[Derpetologist]

Dead whale explodes and sprays guts everywhere. Seriously, it's like the end of Tremors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iqyftfr_mQ

Skip to 0:53 mark.

[GILMORE]

Wasnt "Jason Godeski" the 'white indian' troll?

Or did crazy mary just appropriate his... uh, impressiveness?

a team effort?

[Marshall Gill]

I think we determined that it was Mary having an episode where she thought she was Godeski. She is a deeply disturbed person.

[GILMORE]

Something like that.

I think someone might have actually informed/accused godeski and he disowned it entirely. Then she changed her handle to something else but continued with the same theme of nonsense.

As far as the primitivism schtick goes, I will take the paleo-diet guy 1000 times before i'll put up with some Fat keyboard-shaman telling me everything was better in pre-agricultural societies.

Even Jared Diamond isn't that fucking dumb.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Disharmony

[Fist of Etiquette]

If they gave out visas like candy from a pinata, they wouldn't be precious.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Both parties believe they have something to gain from the crisis as it is.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Just put up a stop sign.

[Longtorso, Johnny]

Man, RealDolls are getting more lifelike every day. Oh, that's just Katie Pavlich. Never mind.

[BigT]

You mean she doesn't talk ... After?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have a solution, and luckily Washington is way ahead of me on it. Destroy what makes America desirable and no one will want to come.

[GILMORE]

Hint on 'policy discussions' =

When people start "sputtering"? they dont know what they fuck the answer is.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Huh, Welch was doing a better job of guest wrangling than the new, mellow Kennedy.

[GILMORE]

Oh right, "Ellis"

the one guy i found MORE slimy than Rick Ungar.

These guys really trade on their 'unappealing democratic hackness' @ fox, don't they.

They're like human pinatas

[Fist of Etiquette]

Matt Welch: AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM FUCK YEAH

[Derpetologist]

Moderately funny:

http://www.freedomforallseason.....maBeer.jpg

[Derpetologist]

Moderately funny:

http://www.freedomforallseason.....maBeer.jpg

[PapayaSF]

I laughed.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

That shouting was worse than the McLaughlin Group.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Fuck you, Vermont voters.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Does Sanders ever comb his hair?

[Trouser-Pod]

Does the government make a comb? Otherwise, he'd have to go private sector, and you can't realistically expect that from a socialist.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I'm sure he wears sandals to work.

[Trouser-Pod]

Only to formal functions.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Bernie Sanders is from Brooklyn, Vermont.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The last time we had this bipartisan harmony we got the Patriot Act.

[Fist of Etiquette]

But more VA money means more bonuses to the fine bureaucrats who work to sweep our vets under the rug on a daily basis.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

You're not supposed to notice that part until a few years down the road when there's another expose leading to more money, and the cycle of life continues.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jesus Christ, she says platitudes don't solve the problem and he immediately pulls out another bumper sticker.

[BigT]

The VA problem is that you can't fire those public servants. They have no accountability. Better to give vets med vouchers.

[Trouser-Pod]

Better to give vets med vouchers.

Not disputing this-my question is how do we trust the doctors/hospitals/providers not to get $ in their eyes, when they also have a history of raiding the trough?

[BigT]

Close the VA and send vets into the private sector with vouchers.

[Trouser-Pod]

But, what stops PP doctors from going nuts with their billing the government? Would the vouchers cover a set amount? What happens when the doctor says, "Umm....He/She needs waaay more tets."?

My question is about how do you stop medical providers from leeching, as there is ample evidence of that happening with Medicare fraud.

[PapayaSF]

Trouser-Pod: Because the users of the vouchers have an incentive to find good providers of care. Such a system doesn't prevent all fraud, but it shifts much of the power from the VA to the vets.

[Trouser-Pod]

That's a good point. My first thought has been that, we hear so much about the medical field committing fraud when it comes to gov't money, why would it stop with VA patients?

With schools, you can say that it should cost X per student this school year. I would think medicine would be much harder to parse out in vouchers.

/not a pro-VA troll; trying to get input on the matter.

[Atanarjuat]

No idea, but I imagine non-VA doctors/hospitals/providers are at least slightly more accountable for horrible outcomes. Waiting lists are probably a lot shorter. Etc. You'll probably save a little money by avoiding the VA bureaucracy, and have better outcomes for the vets, not perfect but better.

[Trouser-Pod]

Thank you for that. When it comes to FedGov spending money, nothing is ideal.

And, now that I think about it, I've been looking at more from the money side than the care side.

Cheers.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

More hot chick, less random cliche generator.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Look at all that economic recovery there in Gaza.

[Trouser-Pod]

What is Hebrew for "multiplier", anyway?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Israel has decided they're on their own? That can't be good for the Palestinians.

[GILMORE]

Jesus, Weiss, just take the shirt off. We get the Bee Gees thing already.

[PapayaSF]

Note to Michael Weiss: "Enervated" means "drained of energy." I think you mean they were "energized."

[GILMORE]

BURN!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who is filming Hamas fighters going through those tunnels?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"Hey, Israelis, why are you trying to enforce your border? You don't see us enforcing *our* border!"

[gaijin]

John Kerry, dangerous imbecile. hahaha

[Fist of Etiquette]

Are the Israelis destroying the tunnels leading to Egypt or just the ones coming into Israel?

[PapayaSF]

They have destroyed both in the past. Don't know about this time.

[BigT]

Kerry: dangerous idiot or incompetent moron?

[gaijin]

dangerous moron

[PapayaSF]

He's a floor wax and a dessert topping.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wait, President or Prime Minister?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

It's pitch urban outside.

[SusanM]

For in my way it lies. Stars, hide your fires; Let not light see my urban and deep desires

[Notorious G.K.C.]

When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage,
Or in th' incestuous pleasure of his bed,
At game a-swearing, or about some act
That has no relish of salvation in 't?
Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven,
And that his soul may be as damned and urban
As hell, whereto it goes.

[SusanM]

+1 sea of troubles

[Fist of Etiquette]

One wonders if the Palestinians might want to consider if they would do better under Israel than Hamas.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"You raise interesting issues, brother...BANG BANG BANG"

[gaijin]

A trigger warning would have been nice

[Derpetologist]

On Saturday, I made a fire by rubbing sticks together, thus coming one step closer to my dream of being a caveman. When I finished, I listened to this:

http://youtu.be/U2iiPpcwfCA?t=40s

[Fist of Etiquette]

Were these match sticks?

[Derpetologist]

No, but I suppose I did cheat a little:

http://www.primitivefire.com/S....._p_10.html

[Atanarjuat]

Nice work. I've never managed it, though only tried a few times. I always wanted to be a caveman too. Even back in elementary school I repeatedly checked out a book called "Early Man". I wonder if that's a trait of self-reliant libertarian types.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Enter the Boaz constrictor!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Paul isn't even considering reforming the criminal justice system for women? #WARONWOMEN

[Fist of Etiquette]

Except for the Libertarian Party.

[gaijin]

MOre libertarian than Bob Barr?!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rand Paul at black college: I don't feel no ways tired...

[Blueman]

That Clinton quote gets me every time.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 28 July 2014

BRING ME GIANTS-Edition

- Kennedy: She returns from vacation and almost EXPLODES onto the screen, unloading on the audience like a fast-talking female Supernova. Its our favorite shade of 'Shotgun' Orange, complemented with some Industrial Strength, Triple-Layer Lip Gloss. Kennedy clearly benefits from time off, and is an irrepressible chomping fury tonight.

- Matt: Is the shirt blue? Or Grey? Regardless, the Power-Ranger-Red tie does its duty and achieves the high-contrast effect that (in our view) brings Matt's overall best TV-Host look. Big Brother ain't got nothing on *Our Guy*. Even libertarians need a charismatic Dictator from time to time and Matt will have to do for now. WIN.

- Kmele: He of the Infinite Wardrobe appears tonight with another heretofore never-seen ingredient: a grey paisley tie. It provides a lot of interesting detail to the visual presentation while remaining fairly color-neutral: probably the exact kind of thing we'd try ourselves if we ever got our hands on one. The shirt also looks new, although with my reception its hard to tell whether the shirt is gently textured, or that's just distortion.

All in all, a Trifecta Evening. Kudos all.

Dzi?kuj?

[GILMORE]

a follow on re: Kmele's shirt

the spread-collar is also nice, and something we havent seen much of. The shirt just looks like its a higher-quality fabric than normal, something like those sea-island cotton shirts that cost a bundle and have a very light sheen to them. (and which I've tended to wear to weddings and get stains on)

We like it. The wide collar look is the 'british' thing i was used to for many years, while the tie is definitely 'hips it up'

If Kmele sticks with this shirt (or others like it) it would be neat to see him go for a Windsor (or 1/2 windsor) to complement it.

[GILMORE]

*note - i think that tie there actually IS a half windsor/schoolboy knot. Normally with a thicker silk tie it comes together bigger.

[Marshall Gill]

Gilmore, if you are not gay, you should probably look into it. I have never met a straight dude who knew so much about fashion. As a normal guy, I don't even understand half the shit you say. "Grey paisley"? WTF does that even mean?

[GILMORE]

"Marshall Gill|7.28.14 @ 10:20PM|#

Gilmore, if you are not gay, you should probably look into it."

LOL

If I *were* gay i'd be offended at the idea that all gay men are supposed to have 'refined tastes', like some bad 'Queer Eye' parody.

And Paisley, dude

come on now. Most of my Dad's ties back in the 1970s were all paisley. Its a pattern. One not seen as much anymore, but easily identified.

And I don't really know much, and 1/3 of what i say is me apeing/parodying what i imagine fashion people talk like. What little I know i probably picked up from reading lots of mid-century detective fiction, where they'd *always* describe people's clothing in detail... and i'd have to look it up so that i knew what they were talking about. The rest was from working in a british company where we wore suits every day. Brits take men's business attire more seriously than americans.

[Marshall Gill]

If I *were* gay i'd be offended at the idea that all gay men are supposed to have 'refined tastes', like some bad 'Queer Eye' parody.

You mean that show wasn't real?

All just a joke. I wear almost exclusively t-shirts and jeans. I have one suit that I bought in 1991. It isn't exactly still in style I am sure, but it fits.

Oh, that is paisley. This place teaches me so many things that I didn't know I didn't know.

[PapayaSF]

"'Shotgun' Orange"? No idea what that means. I'd say: "I'm Cleaning the Road as Part of My Sentence Orange."

[GILMORE]

Dude

'Blaze orange' is Cabela's 'upland hunting' color

[Wasteland Wanderer]

It's not really Cabela's...Blaze orange is a standard safety color worn by hunters to prevent other hunters mistaking them for game. It's required by law to be worn while hunting in many states.

[PapayaSF]

Ah, of course. Duh. Carry on.

[GILMORE]

I know, but the one-word 'cabelas' is a far more useful shorthand for the more detailed-'de facto hunters-wear color'

sadly however, i've dropped the 'cabelas' reference on nyc cityfolk and they have no idea what *that is* either, so ...to your point.

[GILMORE]

Ricky Blaze Models Kennedy's Best Color

[Atanarjuat]

I can't believe you blew off Matt Welch when he wanted to hang out with you. You should meet him and convince him* to give you a 30 second segment to read these reviews on the air.

*Using any means necessary.

[BigT]

Dems, from urban league to urbane league

[Fist of Etiquette]

Tell that to King Midas' friends.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Did I just see Obama tap Michelle on the ass?

Stay classy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Claude Giroux might have some advice on that, Foster.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Tootsie is a cure for hemorrhagic fever.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

'Curious George and the Ebola Virus.'

One of the all-time great spoofs on The Simpson.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

s

[Fist of Etiquette]

airbnb really screwed the pooch on their initial response to that.

[GILMORE]

Guys =

TV Guidelines say "laughing about Ebola Virus" is #25 in the list of 'things to avoid'

[Notorious G.K.C.]

They're like "you mean this isn't a to-do list?"

[gaijin]

"Sometimes only heavy metal will do"

Warty is Jon Criswell.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ameco's steel elevator cables let me down one last time.

[Fist of Etiquette]

And then someone asks them about rape.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The best thing for the Democrats would be for the GOP to take both houses and the White House in 2016.

[GILMORE]

Ellis or Ungar? Who is *more* repulsive a personality?

[gaijin]

Well, Ellis is on the set...

[GILMORE]

good point.

honestly, this isn't a partisan thing so much as it is I just dont like them *at all*. If you're going to have a DNC hack, bring a hot chick. They're better at it, and they're not as grating on the nerves.

[PapayaSF]

Well, at least that rules out Debbie Washerwoman Schultz.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Newsday is in good hands.

To think he and Clift were together on the same team.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Fuster cluck.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Only a 51-49 disadvantage? What do the Democrats have to do to lose this?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Duh. People are voting against Democrats, not for Republicans.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster's just going to power through Kennedy's fireworks joke.

[Fist of Etiquette]

A classy aftershow? It's like you're daring people not to watch.

[GILMORE]

How do you know Penn can genuinely draw an audience to the show? they save him to the end.

why he's never been on the show until now (has he?) i don't know. Busy year in Vegas?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The mommy reason is what's destroying liberty.

[GILMORE]

Penn =

A man who can wear chalk-striped suits.

he's a vegas professional. The 3rd category after Judges and Bankers who can wear bold-striped suits.

[Trouser-Pod]

The 3rd category after Judges and Bankers who can wear bold-striped suits.

Could this mean his likeness appearing in a new version of Monopoly?

[GILMORE]

Also! he's the only one of those 3 that can break the rule about how 'you generally shouldn't wear striped jackets without a tie'. Vegas, baby.

[PapayaSF]

He needs a monocle.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Here we go. Penn doesn't do drugs. Does anyone not know that yet? Because he's going to make sure you know.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

He brings it up most of the time he's speaking in public, but for those who rarely hear him speak in public, it's worth saying.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stop making it illegal is the phrase I would use.

[gaijin]

he really lit up the set

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ha ha, he really kicked in the set's door mistakenly, killed its dog, and arrested the householder for assault, ha ha! Giggle giggle snort!

/Serious Journalists

[BigT]

NYT: right for the wrong reasons. A big step up from their usual: wrong for the wrong reasons.

[Fist of Etiquette]

< i The Independents is one of the few things I watch that I don't time shift, thus it's one of the few things I have to sit through commercials for. These commercials are tedious. INCLUDING the Reason Magazine one.

[PapayaSF]

Yeah, for some reason it doesn't seem like leading directors are eagerly making viral-ready mini-masterpieces for exclusive premiers on the Fox Business Network.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Expandable pocket hose should be the name of a rock band.

[GILMORE]

Contrary to FoEs prediction at the beginning of the evening =

the energy level on the show was very high tonight (kennedy being nuclear) and generally good material compared to the occasional 'tmz-esque' stories.

I liked Kmele getting heated about the VA issue because *someone should* - its NOT ABOUT THE MONEY: its about the incompetence in government. They should really cover this more and more and more because it is something many people care about because it affects people they know. Its also a killer talking point that validates libertarian skepticism of big government.

Penn was also a nice cap to provide that great point that you don't have to be a stoner to be pro-freedom.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Were you listening to the Dude's story? They were all shouting over each other in that first segment. You had to pick the voice you were going to focus on.

[GILMORE]

in the beginning? i confess, no. i was doing the attire bit

[Fist of Etiquette]

So you have no frame of reference here, Gilmore. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...

[GILMORE]

I am the walrus?

[PapayaSF]

"All government programs are simultaneously successful enough to prove that government needs more money and more power, and unsuccessful enough to prove that government needs more money and more power." ?Longtorso, Johnny

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs reference.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

the 'increasingly senile' version

"uh... Dobbs?"

[GILMORE]

DERPS!!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I mean really. They couldn't have found a way to incorporate the two Step Brothers with that segment with Penn?

And he's right about judging talent shows. Fuck half those judges.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Female magicians pull a rational thought out of a hat.

[BigT]

No one will be fooled - a she-male!

[GILMORE]

Penn explains that only males can be Wizards

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did he almost destroy the set? I really thought McInnes would be the first one to do that.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

THIS is an after show.

[GILMORE]

PENN! With his guests the Independents (feat. Kennedy)

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Party Panel doesn't have much to say in the aftershow. And I'm not complaining.

[GILMORE]

indeed

[GILMORE]

this is a case study in how fundamentally *uninteresting* political hacks are

[Rufus J. Firefly]

They didn't have questions for him?

Man, you'd have to drag me out of there I'd have so many for him.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

His point is an outstanding one to anyone who read the bios of people like Da Vinci, Mozart, great math and physics minds and even athletes like Gretzky. All were obsessively dedicated to their crafts and became great through trial and error.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Okay, we're now talking about nude beaches.

[Fist of Etiquette]

CUT. OFF.