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Move Over, Oswald: Salon Says Tea Party Types Killed Kennedy

Wasn't Kennedy murdered by a self-described Marxist?

Robby Soave | 7.25.2014 9:30 AM

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Salon (the "real" news website, not the hilarious parody Twitter account), published an infuriating piece on the Kennedy assassination that adds some unbelievably off-kilter context to the president's murder: It was all the fault of gun-toting right-wing proto-Tea Partiers.

That's the argument put forth by Heather Digby Parton, a progressive opinion blogger and winner of the 2014 Hillman Prize for Opinion and Analysis. Texas conservatives were very mad at President Kennedy, she writes, and then he was killed, and now we should be afraid that maybe conservatives are trying to hurt President Obama. What else are they going to do with their guns?

Read Digby's history lesson for yourself:

The morning of Nov. 22, the Dallas Morning News featured a full-page ad "welcoming" the president to Dallas.  After a preamble in which they proclaimed their fealty to the Constitution and defiantly asserted their right to be conservative, they demanded to be allowed to "address their grievances."  They posed a long series of "when did you stop beating your wife" questions asking why Kennedy was helping the Communist cause around the world. …

You get the drift. And you probably recognize the tone. The subject may have changed somewhat but the arrogant attitude combined with the aggrieved victimization is a hallmark of right-wing politics even today.

As we all know, later that day the president was gunned down in Dealey Plaza. The entire world was shocked and traumatized by that event and the course of history was changed.

So why bring this up today? That was a long time ago and we've moved on from those days, right?  The John Birch Society is a relic of another time.  Anti-communism is still a rallying cry on the right, but without the Soviet threat, it's lost much of its power.

Unfortunately, the venom, the incoherent conspiracy-mongering, the visceral loathing still exist.  In fact, in one of the most obliviously obtuse acts of sacrilege imaginable, Dealey Plaza is now the regular site of open-carry demonstrations.  That's right, a group of looney gun proliferation activists meet regularly on the site of one of the most notorious acts of gun violence in the nation's history to spout right-wing conspiracy theories about the president while ostentatiouslywaving around deadly weapons.

Emphasis added to highlight the part where maybe Digby missed something. I'm not sure—I'm not a Hillman Prize winner, or anything—but wasn't Kennedy murdered by a self-described Marxist and communist sympathizer who had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union?

Lest you think I'm exaggerating the extent to which Digby lays the blame for the Kennedy assassination on the right, she actually chides Second Amendment supporters for organizing at the site of the assassination, a place that "should be a monument to right-wing ignominy," according to Digby. (As if limited-government and gun-rights supporters had killed the president, rather than a Marxist assassin!)

Digby's false accusations call to mind the rush to blame Sarah Palin and right-wing "violent rhetoric" for the Gabby Giffords shooting, even though the would-be assassin turned out to be a weird conspiracy theorist with zero connection to Palin, Republicans, or any identifiable political ideology.

Not that that matters to Salon. If Michael Moore blew up the White House tomorrow, Digby and her ilk would express vindication that Tea Party activists had finally, violently risen up to take back their country.

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  1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

    Once you realize these people are insane, it all makes sense. You can't have a marxist kill kennedy, you just can't.

    1. Mike M.   11 years ago

      So much this; they're absolutely psychotic. Kennedy wasn't even one of these lunatics for crying out loud.

      1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

        Other presidents have been murdered, but people just lost it over Kennedy. It's bee very bad for the country.

    2. alan_s   11 years ago

      You can. It just somehow all ties back to the tea party anyway.

  2. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

    Is fist dead?

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      I doubt it since he had the first post in AM links.

      1. invisible furry hand   11 years ago

        Undead, udead, undead, undead

  3. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

    Yay, me!

  4. John Thacker   11 years ago

    Similarly, here's the New York Times talking about the Netherlands recently, in the context of MH17:

    Yet, the Netherlands' fame as an international "gidsland," or guiding country, on moral issues has given way more recently, Mr. Mak said, to notoriety as a caldron of right-wing populist parties, political assassinations and a populist figurehead, the anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders.

    Would you guess from that paragraph that the political assassinations were all committed against those anti-Muslim "right-wing" populists? (Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh-- "right wing" in quotes because they were anti-Muslim because of their pro-gay and pro-feminist beliefs, one murdered by a Muslim, one by a Left environmental and animal rights activist for being anti-Muslim.) Or is that paragraph meant to imply to the unaware that the right-wing populists are doing the murdering?

    1. Michael Ejercito   11 years ago

      What is it with the Left's love affair with militant Islamism?

      1. Restoras   11 years ago

        It's much less a love of militant islam than it is extreme self-loathing and guilt complex.

        1. Seamus   11 years ago

          This. You'd think the Left would be repelled by the misogyny and gay-bashing in Islam, but you'd be wrong. To the Leftist mind, those are minor details that can be overlooked for the sake of the immediate goal, which is tearing down our Eurocentric society, which lefties believe to be irreparably corrupted by a legacy of racism, sexism, classism, and homophobia. They haven't really stopped to think how their strategy is supposed to work in the long run. Maybe they figure that once the militant Muslims have served their purpose of destroying the white power structure, they will magically be persuaded of the awesomeness of religious tolerance (oh, heck, of dropping religion altogether), egalitarianism, and indie music.

      2. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

        They don't love Islam, it's just an opportunity to smear the REAL enemy as racist.

      3. CatoTheElder   11 years ago

        Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

        The Left hates the "Western values" that obtain from the Enlightenment, especially individual liberty.

        The Islamists hate the "Western values" that obtain from the Enlightenment, especially individual liberty.

        The Left aligns with the Islamists.

        It's pretty much that simple. Among simpleminded Leftists, which is a significant majority, there's also a sentimental siding with the underdog. The Israelis have handed the Arabs their asses so many times that it's hard for them to resist the tugs of their heartstrings ... even if they are vaguely aware that the Islamists would exterminate Jews, crucify Christians, stone sexual deviants, treat women as chattel, etc.

        1. wadair   11 years ago

          The Left hates the "Western values" that obtain from the Enlightenment, especially individual liberty.

          ^THIS

          The left hates discrimination only to the extent that someone might be free to discriminate. They are not concerned with the lack of freedom of the downtrodden, but with the freedom to make choices beyond those sanctioned by the elite.

      4. ant1sthenes   11 years ago

        Islamism is to religion what Nazism was to race, what Communism was to class, and what Progressivism is to ideology. So, kindred spirits.

        It could also be that there's a lot of anti-Semitism in progressivism; surprisingly, for a movement largely bankrolled by a former Nazi.

      5. Tonio   11 years ago

        Anti-racism. Most muslims are "brown" people, and therefore accredited victims.

  5. Zeb   11 years ago

    Unfortunately, the venom, the incoherent conspiracy-mongering, the visceral loathing still exist.

    Said with no sense of irony.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Yeah exactly, talk about projection

    2. Rich   11 years ago

      the visceral loathing

      Nice band name.

      1. Mongo   11 years ago

        Rather than a band name, it makes for a better banned pro-wrestling move.

    3. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

      The subject may have changed somewhat but the arrogant attitude combined with the aggrieved victimization is a hallmark of right-wing politics even today.

      Is there a word or phrase for something that goes far beyond projection? If not, we might need to come up with one.

      1. Loki   11 years ago

        How about "Digbying?"

      2. Tonio   11 years ago

        The right simply adopted a tactic the left had been using for decades. This plays a lot less believably from the right, and they fail to realize that.

    4. HazelMeade   11 years ago

      incoherent conspiracy-mongering

      Lol. I didn't realize that Oliver Stone was a tea-bagger.

      1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

        He just needs to say the wrong thing, and voila!

  6. Old Man With Candy   11 years ago

    Kennedy is dead? No more interrupting? Wow, I may have to give The Independents another try.

    1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

      You'd need silver bullets to stop her.

      1. The Last American Hero   11 years ago

        I thought you needed to take the hoops earrings to the fires of Mt. Doom to ensure she doesn't come back.

        1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

          What powers do the earrings give her?

        2. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

          That or drop her off at Warty's

          1. Loki   11 years ago

            I thought Warty's was Mt. Doom? Oh wait, that's Mt. Doomcock, nevermind.

            1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

              Mt. Doomcock would be a great porn name.

              1. invisible furry hand   11 years ago

                It would be an even better national park namne

                1. Loki   11 years ago

                  *Goes to petitions.whitehouse.gove to start petition to rename Devil's Tower*

  7. Raven Nation   11 years ago

    but wasn't Kennedy murdered by a self-described Marxist and communist sympathizer who had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union?

    This is the part that people like Digby can hang their "right-wing conspiracy theories" on. I won't go into the full explanation because it is kind of lengthy but this is the Cliff Notes version. Oswald was indeed a Marxist but he quickly became disillusioned with Soviet-style communism which is why he returned to the US.

    However, he did NOT renounce his Marxist views as people who think like Digby allege. Instead, he transferred his allegiance to the Castro-Che Guevara version. This was actually pretty common for a lot of western Marxists - Christopher Hitchens, for example, was one of a number of people who spent time in Cuba chasing that pipe dream.

    Oswald was well aware that the Kennedy administration was trying to kill Castro and his murder of JFK was an attempt to protect Castro. Several weeks prior to the assassination, he had tried to kill a right-wing general who lived in Dallas.

    1. Caleb Turberville   11 years ago

      Bingo.

    2. Caleb Turberville   11 years ago

      Like Mao in China, Castro was a chance for those disillusioned with the Soviet Union to hope for a better version of Communism.

      1. Raven Nation   11 years ago

        Definitely. It was a long road of "well, this person will get communism right" for a lot of Marxists in the 50s & 60s. But at least some of them made the journey. Hungary in 1956 was what got a lot them soured on the USSR. Although not all: there was a very famous British Marxist historian (can't remember which one right now) who refused to denounce the crushing of the uprising.

        But people like Hitchens did go Khruschev, Castro, Mao and then finally realized it was all a crock.

        1. invisible furry hand   11 years ago

          Are you thinking of Hobsbawm? He did denounce it, but unusually stayed in the Party

          1. Raven Nation   11 years ago

            Maybe; I was reading about a string of British Marxist historians last semester. He was one of them, but there were others so I'm not sure if it might have been one of them. But, you could well be correct and my memory is faulty.

          2. radar   11 years ago

            Hobsbawm still defends Stalin, though.

            1. Raven Nation   11 years ago

              Well, not actively though:

              http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19786929

        2. radar   11 years ago

          Or, in the case of Robert Scheer, Kim Il Sung.

          Think of that - a cheerleader for Kim Il motherfucking Sung still gets published by HuffPo.

      2. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

        If not for Kennedy, Castro would have been a good little capitalist.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

          And Che was just a disaffected doctor who really wanted to help people.

          1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

            Che was nothing more than a psychotic thug.

            1. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

              "Hatred is the central element of our struggle! Hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him a violent and cold-blooded killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus."

              "The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!"

        2. creech   11 years ago

          Better yet, if he could have hit a big league curve ball.

          1. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

            "Lots of enthusiasm, not much of an arm. Suggest he go into another business."

    3. albo   11 years ago

      Fair Play for Salon.com Committee.

    4. Loki   11 years ago

      However, he did NOT renounce his Marxist views as people who think like Digby allege.

      People like Digby will never admit it out loud, but their belief that Oswald rejected communism and allegedely became a right wing anti-communist is what really makes him double-plus bad in their eyes. It isn't just that he killed their first "messiah" or that he was allegedely some right wing nut, it's that according to their fucked up version of history he turned his back on the One True Faith. IOW, he was a heretic.

      They'll never admit it out loud because that would require them to admit to being commies themseleves.

  8. Caleb Turberville   11 years ago

    Hello darkness my old friend...

  9. Andrew S.   11 years ago

    As much as I like @Salondotcom and am glad it's back, Salon truly cannot be parodied.

    Are we sure it hasn't been bought out by The Onion?

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      The Onion has more serious articles than Salon, that's how you tell the difference.

  10. Hyperion   11 years ago

    The Tea Party were the ones who actually crucified Jesus. Everyone knows that. This is why the Christian Tealiban re-wrote some old book to pin it on the Romans and the Jooos, but NO, the baggers did it!

    1. HazelMeade   11 years ago

      And how dare they gather at the site of Jesus crucifixion, as if in celebration? They are happy they killed Jesus! I know it! I just know it!
      Those bastards are celebrating Jesus's death!

      1. CatoTheElder   11 years ago

        I've been told that many of the teabaggers actually engage in rituals wherein they pretend to engage in cannibalism of Jesus to celebrate!

        It's scandalous, but many actually believe that they eating his body and drinking his blood.

  11. albo   11 years ago

    History is malleable. It is whatever progressives feel it is if it serves their purposes at the time.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      True, did you know that General George Washington, the guy who became our first president, was actually a gay black transgendered socialist? Most people don't know that, cause the teabaggers wrote their own version of history to serve the patriarchy and fool us about these things

  12. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    Derp derp derpity derp. Like I posted the other day. I killed JFK.

    1. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

      I shouted out, "Who killed the Kennedys?!"
      When after all, it was you and me

      1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

        Good times. Good times. Great tune. Now I almost feel bad about my comment below about the Stones super bowl performance.

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        Pleased to meet you.

      3. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

        Damn it

  13. guru   11 years ago

    Seriously. How stupid, high, or insane are these people?

    I see the left is moving from the shallow end into the wild eyed insane nutjob deep end of the fascist swimming pool.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      You can probably leave drugs out of the equation. There aren't any drugs that can make someone that stupid, it has to be natural.

      1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

        K thru college brainwashing.

        1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

          The soften them up with anti- capitalist "green" propaganda in elementry school, rewrite history in high school, never are they taught to think for themselves which sets them up perfectly to be turned into mindless leftest parrots in college.

        2. CatoTheElder   11 years ago

          ^ THIS!

    2. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Insane, retarded and vehement communist views plus lots of progressive buzzwords (correctly or incorrectly used) equal literary awards. The Derpier the better. The further into the imaginary you go, the more likely your success in the acedemia, journalist, media world. How does anyone even pay attention to anything they say?

  14. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    I blame Bush.

    1. WWNGD?   11 years ago

      Daddy Bush was in Dallas at the time.

  15. HazelMeade   11 years ago

    The logic is something like this:

    Right wingers hated Kennedy.
    Kennedy got killed at location X.
    Therefore, right-wingers are FOREVER FORBIDDEN from doing ANYTHING in location X.

    This is like saying that Marxists should be forever forbidden from gathering at the site of 9/11, because Marxists hate America, and America was attacked there.

    1. ant1sthenes   11 years ago

      Also, the first WTC attack was using bombs, and leftists prefer to use bombs for their acts of terrorism.

  16. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

    obliviously obtuse acts of sacrilege imaginable

    Sacrilege, huh? I suspect the implications of using that term are last on the author.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Oh, no one is more santimonious, self-rightous or "religous" than these people. The live to claim the highest moral ground on every issue, no matter how trivial. If you speak against or even question their religous beliefs they don't just excommunicate. They seek to destroy.

      1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

        It's kind of neat actually, if you were a bad person you weren't a leftist.

  17. MWG   11 years ago

    The comments over at Salon are actually pretty balanced.

    1. HazelMeade   11 years ago

      Lol.

      1. MWG   11 years ago

        Of course by balanced, I mean a lot of people call out the author for her bullshit.

        1. HazelMeade   11 years ago

          I couldn't tell. Seems like most of the comments are from people going "OMG! I can't believe how much I hate right-wingers!"

  18. PRX   11 years ago

    in a hundred years Mick Jagger will be considered worse than Hitler.

    1. thom   11 years ago

      and in a thousand years neither will be much remembered.

      1. KDN   11 years ago

        If there's one thing history is great at remembering, it's the names of genocidal warmongers. Hitler is immortal.

        1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

          And people wonder why politicians love war.

        2. thom   11 years ago

          Nah...history if full of Hitlers and people barely remember any of 'em. In the end people remember explorers, and to a lesser extent scientists.

          1. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

            Tamerlane and Genghis Khan would like a word.

            1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

              The Iranians are still pissed at Alex.

            2. thom   11 years ago

              Tamerlane was only 650 years ago and is already mostly forgotten by the masses. Definitely more obscure than Dante or Chaucer.

              Genghis Khan, who died about 800 years ago, is somebody most people have heard of, but I doubt that 90% of people could tell you much about him, although a lot of those people could tell you about Marco Polo.

              1. KDN   11 years ago

                What you're really saying is that Europeans remember Europeans. I'm willing to bet that your average Chinese knows more about Genghis Khan than Dante or Chaucer (sidenote: I hate how I can't use Chinaman; using Chinese in its place creates aesthetically hideous sentences). I'd also bet that both those writers are likely far less known by the general Western population than you're implying.

                1. thom   11 years ago

                  Maybe. My point is that history is full of horrible, genocidal thugs and for the most part, they are largely forgotten. In a thousand years the one person from the 20th century who will, guaranteed, still be a well known name will be Neil Armstrong. Anybody else would be impossible to predict.

    2. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      The one thing I can give Hitler is that he never fucked up a Super Bowl halftime:)

    3. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Why wait?

  19. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

    Salon: Click-baiters gonna bait.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled masturbation.

    1. Loki   11 years ago

      We now return you to your regularly scheduled masturbation.

      "Go away! 'Batin'!"

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        +1 Brawndo With Electrolytes

  20. KB Check Release   11 years ago

    Lots of derp in the comments but not entirely derp.

    I hate being click-baited, especially by Salon but just had to see what the echo-chamber was capable of this time.

  21. Sevo   11 years ago

    ..."It was all the fault of gun-toting right-wing proto-Tea Partiers."...

    Well, if it isn't BOOOOOOOOOOOSH, who else would it be?

  22. Loki   11 years ago

    Riiiight, it's not like Oswald was confirmed communist who was pissed off over how Kennedy handled Cuba. And as for Obama, if he gets taken out, my bet is on some disaffected far left loon pissed off over him not taking the country full commie.

    Read Digby's history lesson for yourself:

    I'd rather get a prostate exam from Wolverine.

  23. PRX   11 years ago

    when Obama is right, he's right. we should be paying for Heather Digby Parton's birth control.

    1. Loki   11 years ago

      I'd even be willing to pay for her mom to have an extremely late term abortion.

  24. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    The subject may have changed somewhat but the arrogant attitude combined with the aggrieved victimization is a hallmark of right-wing politics even today.

    *stutters like Porky Pig*

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      "aggrieved victimization is a hallmark of right-wing politics"

      I am speechless. Seriously.

  25. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

    Napolitano's retarded progressive cousin is in the comments:

    I was waiting for a deluge of smug comments insisting that the homicidal, borderline-treasonous right-wing rage against Kennedy didn't matter because his assassin was a pro-Castro Marxist. I wasn't disappointed.

    I wonder how many of the people who blithely accept the 2014 media consensus that the Warren Commission got everything right in 1964 have ever bothered to read the original report? I wonder how many of them have bothered to read the best books available on the assassination? How many of them have ever asked why Oswald, a former Marine who had very publicly defected to the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, was permitted to return home, no questions asked? How any of them realize that the Birchers' rage against JFK was mirrored in the halls of the Pentagon? How many realize that the military-industrial establishment truly loathed Kennedy and all he stood for?

    1. Anonymous Coward   11 years ago

      I wonder how many of the people who blithely accept the 2014 media consensus that the Warren Commission got everything right in 1964 have ever bothered to read the original report?

      What, if any, facts or conclusions, were in error in the Warren Report?

      I wonder how many of them have bothered to read the best books available on the assassination?

      And what are the "best books" available about the Kennedy assassination? What makes them the best? Are there some books about the Kennedy assassination that are the best, but are unavailable?

      How many of them have ever asked why Oswald, a former Marine who had very publicly defected to the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, was permitted to return home, no questions asked?

      Because he was still a U.S. citizen whose "defection" consisted mainly of him making radios in Belarus?

      How any of them realize that the Birchers' rage against JFK was mirrored in the halls of the Pentagon?

      Citation?


      How many realize that the military-industrial establishment truly loathed Kennedy and all he stood for?

      The same JFK who escalated the Vietnam War with more troops and helicopters, and personally gave the green light to the coup that plunged Vietnam further into chaos?

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

        How any of them realize that the Birchers' rage against JFK was mirrored in the halls of the Pentagon?

        I'll give him Curtis LeMay. But LeMay was a very special kind of nuts.

    2. Loki   11 years ago

      I wonder how many of them have bothered to read the best books available on the assassination?

      Ooh, the best books! TOP MEN! You have to have gone to college to say something so stupid.

  26. creech   11 years ago

    In fairness, when I heard about the assassination, I was in public wearing a Goldwater button. I immediately took it off, worried that right wing extremists had done the deed. There was a huge collective sigh of relief in the conservative community when Oswald was revealed as a Marxist. Those who didn't believe it was Oswald, were pretty convinced that the slimy LBJ may have been behind it.

    1. KDN   11 years ago

      The whole game was instigated by Gerald Ford; JFK was the first domino to fall on his ascendancy to the Presidency, and he used his position on the Warren commission to hide his involvement. If it wasn't for our hero Carter stopping him in 1976, Ford would have given himself emergency powers following the Iran hostage crisis and named himself President for life.

    2. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

      Coming soon: LBJ, the original teabagger!

    3. Mike Laursen   11 years ago

      And, in fairness, Jackie Kennedy, at least as an immediate reaction, said she thought Johnson and his cronies were behind the assassination.

      1. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

        LBJ was incredibly sleazy, even by DC standards.

      2. sasob   11 years ago

        To this very day my aged mother thinks LBJ was behind it.

  27. Ken Shultz   11 years ago

    Salon is basically trolling the right.

    DFTT

  28. Mike Laursen   11 years ago

    I'm gonna have to take points off for her not working the Koch Brothers in there. Especially, when she had already brought up the John Birch Society.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Good catch.

    2. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      KOCH!

      1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

        So Enya's band dumped her huh.

    3. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

      Damn it again.

  29. Brandon   11 years ago

    in one of the most obliviously obtuse acts of sacrilege imaginable,

    This may be the most absurdly pretentious clause ever written.

  30. Warty   11 years ago

    arrogant attitude combined with the aggrieved victimization

    Ahem.

  31. Seamus   11 years ago

    Michael Moore isn't going to blow up the White House, silly. He's going to blow up Mount Rushmore.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      I thought he was just going to blow up

      1. Loki   11 years ago

        +1 "Thin chocalate waifer."

        1. invisible furry hand   11 years ago

          "Nah, fuck off, I'm full"

        2. Rhywun   11 years ago

          You spelled "waffer" wrong.

  32. Bill Dalasio   11 years ago

    ...but wasn't Kennedy murdered by a self-described Marxist and communist sympathizer who had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union?

    Was it over for Digby when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

    /forget it; she's on a roll

  33. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

    ...but wasn't Kennedy murdered by a self-described Marxist and communist sympathizer who had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union?

    He did not just attempt "to defect to the Soviet Union", he succeeded. Then for whatever reasons, he was allowed to not only return, but to bring with him a wife who was the daughter (if memory serves) of a mid-rank Soviet official.

    I'm actually surprised that there is not more conspiracy chat about what kind of malfeasance allowed that to happen. Also, that there is not more talk on the right about Oswald being an agent with the full backing of the Soviet Union, rather than just a lone leftwing nutbird.

    1. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

      HazelMeade|7.25.14 @ 10:01AM|#

      The logic is something like this:

      Right wingers hated Kennedy.
      Kennedy got killed at location X.
      Therefore, right-wingers are FOREVER FORBIDDEN from doing ANYTHING in location X.

      One of the problems with the left wing narrative is that right wingers (they didn't even need to be full-fledged Birchers) hated Eisenhower and Nixon too.

      The Birchers believed that Eisenhower
      (and Nixon by extension) was every bit as guilty of Communist appeasement as Kennedy was. And with good reason; Kennedy was all "fight every battle, pay any price" while Nixon was all "peaceful coexistance."

      And if anyone was the candidate of the "military-industrial complex", it was Kennedy who ran partly on the 'missile gap" and Eisenhower's "soft on Cuba" policy (Knowing full well about the Bay of Pigs planning, having been briefed on it).

      Anyone who views 1950s-70s politics in the context of today's politics is playing a mug's game.

    2. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

      Also, if you want to blow your prog friends' minds, remind them that the road to the low marginal tax rates that Americans enjoy today started with JFK's promise to lower the top rate from 91% to 70%.

      President John F. Kennedy brought up the issue of tax reduction in his 1963 State of the Union address. His initial plan called for a $13.5 billion tax cut through a reduction of the top income tax rate from 91% to 65%, reduction of the bottom rate from 20% to 14%, and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from 52% to 47%.

      Republicans, especially the Goldwater wing, opposed the cuts unless substantial spending cuts were made. Johnson responded by proposing to spend less than he wanted to.

      Johnson was able to achieve Kennedy's goal of a tax cut in exchange for promising a budget not to exceed $100 billion in 1965.

      1. sasob   11 years ago

        budget not to exceed $100 billion in 1965.

        Only $100 billion? How quaint.

        1. Mike M.   11 years ago

          Pretty incredible isn't it? The spending has gone up by a factor of nearly 40 in 50 years, or almost a factor per year.

          1. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

            Leaving aside the scandalous devaluation of the dollar:

            What cost $100000000 in 1965 would cost $729021026.39 in 2013.

            So it's more like a factor of 6 in constant dolars, while the population has has not even doubled (increase actually a factor of about 1.6).

            Of course, given that the "Inflation Calculator" uses government numbers, it really only gives a sort of "big picture" view. But it's still an interesting (and disturbing) picture.

            1. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

              I suppose it's actually a toss-up between whether the ravages of real spending growth are worse than the ravages of inflation. Of course, the one is related to the other.

              Naturally the connected suffer less harm (in fact, many of them benefit) from either.

              Which makes one want to ask liberals (whose policies are essentially responsible for both phenomena), "Why do you hate poor people?"

              1. sasob   11 years ago

                Why do you hate poor people?

                Because there aren't enough of them yet?

  34. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    The morning of Nov. 22, the Dallas Morning News featured a full-page ad "welcoming" the president to Dallas. After a preamble in which they proclaimed their fealty to the Constitution and defiantly asserted their right to be conservative, they demanded to be allowed to "address their grievances."

    Essentially a HELP WANTED: ASSASSIN ad, then.

    1. Isaac Bartram   11 years ago

      After a preamble in which they proclaimed their fealty to the Constitution...

      Oh dear, "fealty to the Constitution", why that's a sure sign of right wing extremism.

  35. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

    they demanded to be allowed to "address their grievances."

    What, they couldn't wait until Festivus?

  36. DRM   11 years ago

    What's next for Slate, blaming RFK's death on Zionists?

    1. DRM   11 years ago

      Er, Salon. Whatever.

      1. Red Rocks Rockin   11 years ago

        Same difference.

    2. Bill Dalasio   11 years ago

      Don't give them any ideas.

  37. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

    Hmm, the Koch BROTHERS, the Kennedy BROTHERS.... it's all starting to make sense

  38. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

    Actually, we all know it was you and me who killed the Kennedys

    1. sasob   11 years ago

      It was Joe Dimaggio, in revenge for the way Marilyn was treated. He never got over her, you know. 🙂

  39. sasob   11 years ago

    What's up with the resurgence of mentions of the John Birch Society in the last six or seven years anyway? I thought they had more or less dwindled out of existence decades ago, along with the McCarthyites. And what is their supposed connection with racism - I'd always read that they were just anti-communist and conspiracy types.

    1. ant1sthenes   11 years ago

      Why are libertarians hostile to environmentalism? The prevalence of watermelons (e.g., "greens" using the movement to advance a red agenda) is surely a large part of it.

      I'm guessing that the entanglement of the civil rights movement with the economic left not only soured the existing members on both, but also made JBS more attractive to people who objected more to the former than the latter.

  40. WWNGD?   11 years ago

    Yes people were shocked by the event, but they were not traumatized, people went on with their lives. The left and the democrats act as though the world came to a stand still.

    1. sasob   11 years ago

      The left and the democrats act as though the world came to a stand still.

      As I recall they did so at the time as well.

  41. GILMORE   11 years ago

    To the tune of "Batman"

    NANA NANA NANA NANA
    NANA NANA NANA NANA

    CLICK BAIT!!!

    (Bow! Piff!)

    NANA NANA NANA NANA
    NANA NANA NANA NANA

    CLICK BAIT!!

    (Kzakt! Zurk!)

    There are times I actually enjoy reading Salon to savor the delicious combination of "Sneering Cultural Superiority" with "Teenage-Girl Snarling Hissyfits"

    1. WDATPDIM!?   11 years ago

      Srsly. Why does Reason even dignify this obvious click bait with a blog post? (Yes, I know, I clicked on the Reason post, BUT THAT'S THE LAST TIME!)

  42. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    Last summer the wife and I visited the R&R Hall of Fame in Cleveland. At the time, they had this Stones tribute going on. They had a room set up with memorabilia and they were playing all this old concert footage. It was brilliant. I could have spent all day watching those old live shows. I really wish I could have seen them live in person back then. Their Super Bowl halftime show though was painful to watch:)

  43. Rock Action   11 years ago

    Before They Make Me Run is such a cool freaking Keith song. That shit sat in my car for months recently.

  44. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    The Stones are THE MOST overrated band in the history of mankind. Followed closely by Pink Floyd.

  45. Rock Action   11 years ago

    Why has nobody mentioned R.E.M. yet?

  46. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    I would agree

  47. KDN   11 years ago

    We're trying to avoid summoning Shrike.

  48. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    I was agreeing to the Springsteen comment.

  49. radar   11 years ago

    Living Colour was a great band, and "Cult of Personality" could be retitled "Barry's Theme". Hell, it even references the Nobel Prize!

  50. Mongo   11 years ago

    I was at that gig too, Tundra.

  51. Ayn Random Variation   11 years ago

    Damn. If you say something bad about Skynyrd I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside.

  52. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

    GET OUT. Seriously. The Stones are awesome. The Beetles are the most overrated band ever.

  53. JWW   11 years ago

    Yep.

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