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The Uninsured Like Obamacare Less and Less

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One of the most interesting public opinion phenomenons of the last several months has been the rapid shift against the president's health care law amongst the people it was supposed to help the most—the uninsured. Unfavorable views of Obamacare continued to rise amongst those who lack insurance this month, according to the latest health tracking poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Shortly after the law passed in 2010, a 57 percent majority of the uninsured said they approved of Obamacare. And views of the law were divided fairly evenly as late as last fall. But since the rollout of the exchanges began last October views have become far less favorable amongst those without coverage. The Kaiser poll now finds that amongst the non-elderly uninsured, 54 percent say they do not approve of the health law while only 22 percent say they favor it, a split of 34 points. 

Kaiser Family Foundation

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    1. Okay, I missed the 8% thingy. Can you back-brief me?

      1. It’s Shreek related. Does it matter after that?

        1. Well now I’m curious. Is 8% the percentage of words he spews that aren’t BUSHFAG or CHRISTPIG?

      2. Here’s shrike’s original post:
        https://reason.com/archives/201…..nt_4340962

        He was basically saying that the 8% of people who like Obamacare the way it is shows how enormously successful the law is.

      3. Suderman’s buddy Weigel doesn’t know how to read a poll correctly, and made a fool out of himself.

        1. but he’s the smartest guy evar – go ahead and ask him.

    2. will not be a big factor in future elections

      I guess the senate is poised to switch to Republican not because of Obamacare but because the booming economy that shrike keeps telling us about flusters voters stupid.

  1. Because we had to pass it to find out if we’d like it.

    1. I say we should repeal just to see if we like not having it.

      1. Excellent.

        “We have to repeal the law so that you can find out what is in it.”

    2. Ever since I first heard the joke, I can’t help thinking that “it” refers to a stool sample.

      1. Now a contender for the largest turd.

        1. Larger than Bono?!!! How many Kurics are we talking about here?

  2. You mean my Obamacare isn’t FREE? Hells no, unfavorable-ing this motherfu)%^%$!

    Color me unsurprised.

    1. Exactly this. High approval until they found out they had to pay for it.

      1. And they just found that out because it’s tax season.

  3. KULAKS. WRECKERS. SABOTEURS. UNAMERICAN. SELFISH. HATEFUL. BITTER. CLINGERS. FOOLS. EVIL. NAZIS. RACISTS. KKK. HOMOPHOBES. BIGOTS.

    1. SELFISH.

      I thought we were supposed to be voting our self-interest.

      1. ONLY IF YOUR SELF-INTEREST COINCIDES WITH PROGRESSIVE DREAMS. OTHERWISE, YOU ARE EVIL.

        1. I see, so progressives are okay with selfishness for themselves. They are just against OTHER people’s selfishness.

          1. Are you really just figuring that out now?

          2. Ambrose Bierce once defined selfishness as lack of regard for the selfishness of others.

  4. I looks like John’s prediction about the uninsured was right. The poor and uninsured just want healthcare for FREE, which they could already get at the emergency room. ObamaCare doesn’t help them, it just forces them to pay something for something they were already getting basically for free.

    Or, it forces them into Medicaid, which is an intrusive bureaucracy that rations their access to healthcare.

    The few people who don’t fall into Medicaid are probably pissed that they now have to pay $50-$100/month for insurance that they didn’t have to pay before.

    1. Part One:

      “HazelMeade”, How are you supposed to treat extreme hypertension by continuously showing up at the emergency room for $2,000 a pop? That’s “free healthcare” to you? The idea that people would rather be uninsured than on Medicaid is absurd on its face…it sounds like slave-masters who swore their slaves liked it because they had food and were housed and shit. Basically, with an opinion that ridiculous, scientific poll or it didn’t fucking happen. Remember, the people on Medicaid can still go to the fucking emergency room. They don’t lose anything.

      The people paying the “$50-$100” a month for the $300-$400 insurance they allegedly don’t want, are no longer the uninsured, and this poll doesn’t fucking apply to them…so your logic is as sloppy as your understanding of human nature is silly.

      You (and it’s certainly implied the author of this article agrees) seem to think the uninsured were happy w the old system, and that this poll means repeal is easier.

      WRONG. What this poll should tell you is we’re closer to Medicare-for-all than ever. Three years of subsides (Obama’s term) will create a voting block.

      (Cont’d w/ part two)

      1. Part two:

        Look how scared they are of Hispanics who are not 16% of the population like the uninsured. The Rs are going to throw kids w pre-existing conditions off their coverage? Or even adults? They’re going to take away subsides people have been getting for three years, throw people off Medicare who’ve been on it for three years? Yeah, they’ll be happy about that because it’s so “intrusive.”

        All this poll tells me is that Obama promised people something free and easy that they wouldn’t have to work for at all. And you think that helps with repeal?

        It helps get the Democrats closer to a super-sized public option and then Medicare-for-all. Just watch. The people in this poll don’t want repeal: They want something bigger.

        PS- Employer health care is as subsidized as Obamacare, so if you think you work for it, and they’re moochers, get yet another reality check. And learn a little about the World. I won’t always be here to patiently instruct you.

  5. Curious if this is because of the uninsured, the ones who end up buying through ACA are “ok” with it and then the people who remain uninsured are disillusioned and don’t like it (for many valid reasons — too expensive, too much of a pain, terrible coverage options).

    1. Unlikely, since the % of the population which was uninsured is about the same now (16%) as it was in 2010 (16.4%). The change in uninsured would have to be massive for this to be the primary factor at work in explaining the reversal in support.

      1. The number I want to hear is how much of that 16% is the same people as before.

        1. There is some turnover and oscillation in the uninsured population, but that population is unlikely to be the primary factor contribution to a 30 point disapproval shift in the space of 4 years.

          1. After all, the largest shift of public opinion has come within the last three months (i.e., the implementation of Obamacare).

          2. Overall approval has seen a 10-point swing in 4 years. The 30-point swing is among the uninsured only.

            1. Yes, that’s what I meant — sorry.

      2. But, but, but… a lot of people used to have inadequate coverage. Isn’t no coverage better than inadequate coverage?

        oh wait.

        Buttplug, what was I supposed to say here?

  6. Wait, does the non-elderly uninsured include the formerly insured who recently lost coverage due to the ACA?

  7. One amusing thing about these polls of Democratcare favorability is that (I dare say) few people polled know WTF is in the actual legislation. Most base their opinions on perception; but, I suppose that’s how it must be.

    1. Over time more and more will be answering pollsters according to their actual experience, not their understanding or perception. I think that is why support is dropping now that it has been set in motion. Prior to the launch polling might have been more ideological. It is getting real now.

    2. The uninsured who just spent the last few months attempting to get insurance on the mucked up websites, only to find out that the insurance is expensive and crappy, probably know more than most.

  8. I thought Obamacare was going to become more popular as it was implemented. They got that wrong, too ?

    1. What Difference Does It Make At This Point? It’s time to Move On! We need to Lean Forward. /derp

    2. It’s most interesting that they have delayed the parts of the implementation that were going to the most unpopular. How bad would it have been if they had stuck to the law?

  9. If this poll was conducted by Emily Ekins I might be interested.

  10. How Silicon Valley Saved Obamacare, and Obama, and the Democratic Party

    http://news.yahoo.com/silicon-…..51100.html

    1. I assumed upon reading it that it was satire, but I’m not sure it is.

    2. I don’t think healthcare.gov is “fixed” yet. Expect stories about back-end problems to crop up within the next month.

  11. Thats the actual reason they have to keep delaying everything, its becoming so popular that the overwhelming number of businesses and individuals are flooding the system, slowing things down. But let me assure you the government has their best men and women on it and are trying to fix the problems.

    /Prog

  12. You are posing one number from the poll and hoping everyone draws a different conclusion from the one the poll takers (Kaiser) informs you of:

    “Last month’s tracking poll found a negative shift in opinion of the ACA among those who are currently uninsured, and that trend continues in February, with 56 percent of the uninsured having an unfavorable opinion of the law and 22 percent a favorable one. As more Americans gain coverage under the law, we can expect the group who remain uninsured to change over time, and some changes in opinion may be attributable to changes in who remains uninsured, rather than a shift in opinion among individuals.”

    In other words, if you viewed the law favorably initially, you went and got yourself insurance. As the number of uninsured dwindles, one would expect that the only ones remaining uninsured were those who viewed it unfavorably to begin with, which is why they still have not gotten insurance. And therefore that percentage will continue to rise, and you will continue to tell us about it without telling us the reason why.

  13. Oh, and if the Kaiser poll is the true bellwether you indicate it is, you should also tell us they said this:

    “When it comes to next steps on the law, a majority say it should be kept in place, including 48 percent who want Congress to work to improve it and 8 percent who say it should be kept as is. Fewer say Congress should repeal the law and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative (12 percent) or repeal it and not replace it (19 percent). Like opinions on the law overall, views about next steps are deeply divided by political party identification, with most Democrats preferring to keep the law in place and a majority of Republicans wanting to see it repealed. Among independents, more than half want Congress to keep the law as is or work to improve it, while a third prefer to see it repealed.”

    Most don’t want it repealed, they want it improved, and that includes independents.

  14. The reason why a lot of people who thought they would like ACA are no longer liking it is because they actually have to have some skin in the game. This is something they are unaccustomed to. To them, something that is free is much better than something that is almost free. Stupid people.

  15. Well yeah, people were silly enough to think that they would actually get affordable (or even free) health care. Ooops. Instead you simply get forced to buy a high priced plan

  16. What most people keep forgetting, is that medical care is not “insurance” necessarily. You get an illness or accident, and then you pay a doctor to cure you. Like when your car breaks down, you pay a mechanic to fix it.

    I have been in 50 different countries, and find that MEXICO, where I live now, has the best medical system in the world.
    There is a govt. health system, that is sometimes free, (I pay $23/month) and expect slow bureaucratic mediocrity. AND, there is a booming free-market medical service where you can pay as little as $2 for a clinic visit at “Dr. Simi”, or about $15 to $25 to see a private doctor at his office. Specialists charge about $35 to $45 for special needs.

    Insurance should be limited to SERIOUS ILLNESS and regular medical care should be out-of-pocket payment, just like the auto=mechanic.

    1. I have been in 50 different countries, and find that MEXICO, where I live now, has the best medical system in the world.

      You’ve experience 50 different medical systems? Studied all of them?

      I appreciate your experiences, but to conclude Mexico has the best based on this assertion is perhaps hyperbole?

      Every single major reputable study I’ve seen or read in the last 20 years consistently and invariably ranks countries like Switzerland, Germany, France, Italy and a couple of others at the top.

      Unfortunately, my home country of Canada – despite excessive pride – is consistent in one thing: Ranking at the bottom. Ironically, the USA and Canada spend more per capita than most countries with the least results. Although the US stats are a little more complex to discern. I digress.

      I’m glad Mexico works for you and it does seem interesting, but I’m gonna need some facts to back that up.

      1. Sorry. Forgot to add quotes to the opening two lines attributed to frankania.

  17. I am one of the uninsured. I pay my own way (a weird concept I know.)
    I will remain uninsured and will not sign up. Fuck obamascares!

    1. I hope you are a multi-millionaire (although I don’t think very many milti-millionaires would be dumb enough to be voluntarily uninsured). And if you’re not than you’re just another Internet tough guy who’ll cry like a baby for his mother when he gets in a serious car accident and then accept whatever medical care is offered to save his miserable life whatever the price and whoever the payer.

      Then when you are driven into medical bankruptcy you’ll stiff everyone else you owe…mortgage, car payments, every fucking thing. We’ll pay for all your shit you owe there too (indirectly).

      Your bullshit would make me laugh of you weren’t trying to be serious. Since you are I just want to find a hole to get sick in.

  18. How To Opt Out Of Obamacare. Know your options and become savvy self-pay patients. Join a health care sharing ministry. These are voluntary, charitable membership organizations that agree to share medical bills among the membership. They function similar to insurance, and are probably the best alternative to conventional health insurance. There are four of them, at least that I know of. Three are open only to practicing Christians (Samaritan Ministries, Christian Healthcare Ministries, and Christian Care Ministry) while a fourth, Liberty HealthShare, is open to anyone who agrees with their ethical commitment to religious liberty. They operate entirely outside of Obamacare’s regulations, and typically offer benefits for about half the cost of similar health insurance. Members are also exempt from having to pay the tax for being uninsured. From the article by Sean Parnell http://thefederalist. com/2013/12/04/opt-obamacare/#.Up9MwGKiM_o.email

    1. I found that interesting, so thanks for posting.

      On doing some research on my own, I found this:

      “Here’s how it works: To join Medi-Share, members must pledge their Christian faith and promise not to drink, take drugs or have sex outside of a traditional marriage. A reference from a minister may also be requested. Certain pre-existing conditions render applicants ineligible, while chronic issues such as obesity sometimes lead to acceptance into the program contingent on undergoing wellness counseling.

      The coverage doesn’t include products of “un-Biblical lifestyles,” such as contraception or substance rehab, or some preventive medicine, including colonoscopies and annual mammograms. Those policies lead to lower costs for all members, Meggs said.”

      From you understanding, is all that true?

    2. Sorry, I meant to tell you where I got that from:

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/100935430

  19. Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund it or won’t it? Will the web site be fixed or not? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. EXEMPT OURSELVES! We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons. For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or (wo)men? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS: the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day. Our Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of our most basic founding fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom.

  20. Just wait until the recently insured discover what a $5,000 annual deductible means in reality the first time a doctor demands payment up front.

  21. With your high-deductible argument you sound like you’re making an argument against insurance in general rather than Obamacare in particular. Why don’t you give up your insurance then? Or you could just find a low deductible HMO which Obamacare offers. I swear most of the arguments on this thread are positively camp.

    Especially when you consider workplace insurance is just as subsidized as Obamacare insurance. Why don’t you throw in the canard that we have the best health system in the world because Arab Sheiks fly to Manhattan to get their heart operations? Then your post could be an ignorance buffet.

    Pro-tip: Concentrate on how it’s insane to guarantee people healthcare w/out controlling the totally out of control cost of healthcare. The “it’s better not to have insurance” approach is basically ass-clownish, and easily slapped aside.

  22. The uninsured thought they would get it all free, guess what, it ain’t.

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